The Syndicate

ObscureAllure wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This is getting reeeeeeally dumb.

[ytubehd][/ytuehd]

I feel like I'm at a trump political rally

i swear if trump wins im giving up on life

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Nope. You're wiggling because the only weapon you have left right now appears to be appeal to how "literal" you were by never using the word "mafia". Nice use of "goal post" fallacy, btw, I must have used it three times before you thought of memorizing it and using it (poorly) in your own texts.

Btw, no answer from you, is scum not the term of mafia players, in a game of mafia?

i never once use the word mafia and for very good reasons. your the one trying to misrepresent my post by "litarly" saying mafia=scum when it does not.

scum=scum
mafia=maifa

so plz misrepresent more

Is scum not the term of mafia players, in a game of mafia?

You two know that no one is reading any of your back-and-forth at this point right?

You never go full semantics.

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Because it's not revealed in the roles that all cylons are.
but the basic show is cylon vs human so agrment ffailed
Because not all cylons in the show were.
ireeilvent to the overall point
Because there was no reveal that Epig is scum in his lynch post, leaving it, at the bare minimum, to the thought that it's open to interpret. Hence, that not all cylons might be scum.
hi pot im kettle we are both blakc

Said it time and again, like I said.

and i will keep refuting you time and time again

There is no such thing as "basic show". This show has had four seasons, what's the basic part of the show and what's the non-basic part of it. There is a show in which a "basic" conflict evolved into something more complex. It does not stand to reason that it's proof of "basic" being the standard of this game.

How is it not irrelevant?

Oh I see, you've gotten tired of arguments after just one point out of three. Coolio.

i showed all 3

your first is refuted by the fact the show follows humans vs cylons still

the seocnd is not the case as shown already

and the thrid is a pot/kettle arugment cus you litarly did that to me about the vote poll title and now you are using the same argument

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Nope. You're wiggling because the only weapon you have left right now appears to be appeal to how "literal" you were by never using the word "mafia". Nice use of "goal post" fallacy, btw, I must have used it three times before you thought of memorizing it and using it (poorly) in your own texts.

Btw, no answer from you, is scum not the term of mafia players, in a game of mafia?

i never once use the word mafia and for very good reasons. your the one trying to misrepresent my post by "litarly" saying mafia=scum when it does not.

scum=scum
mafia=maifa

so plz misrepresent more

Is scum not the term of mafia players, in a game of mafia?

no its not.

a2thezebra wrote:You two know that no one is reading any of your back-and-forth at this point right?

you could alwasy bring up something new and i would talk to you

a2thezebra wrote:You never go full semantics.

hey hes the one who started it

ika wrote:

juliets wrote: If the cylons are all mafia (12) and some of the humans are cylons (lets say 2) then that would bring us up to 14 mafia against 16 civs. That just cannot be the case.

here i got a few quesitons, did i ever say they are mafia to beign with? did i ever say they all have the same wincon? did i ever once say "oh they all have BTCS together"

ill wait

I also thought when you said scum you meant mafia. Scum has always meant mafia on this site. But you say you did not mean that so I think I'm just going to drop the subject for now. We are going around and around getting nowhere.

a2thezebra wrote:You never go full semantics.

juliets wrote:

ika wrote:

juliets wrote: If the cylons are all mafia (12) and some of the humans are cylons (lets say 2) then that would bring us up to 14 mafia against 16 civs. That just cannot be the case.

here i got a few quesitons, did i ever say they are mafia to beign with? did i ever say they all have the same wincon? did i ever once say "oh they all have BTCS together"

ill wait

I also thought when you said scum you meant mafia. Scum has always meant mafia on this site. But you say you did not mean that so I think I'm just going to drop the subject for now. We are going around and around getting nowhere.

the facepalm is real

I'm pretty sure you started it because you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you had to improvise a new definition for the term "scum" as it is normally used in this game just so you could keep arguing without admitting defeat.

I have no idea what to say, and that pretty much never happens.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm pretty sure you started it because you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you had to improvise a new definition for the term "scum" as it is normally used in this game just so you could keep arguing without admitting defeat.

im not at all. scum and mafia are two different terms

S~V~S wrote:I have no idea what to say, and that pretty much never happens.

what doesnt?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that. You're literally pretending to not know the definition of the term to try and save your argument.

a2thezebra wrote:You two know that no one is reading any of your back-and-forth at this point right?

This tbh. I've honestly got no clue what is going on and still think they could be teammates doing this to distract us.

scum and mafia are the same term.

zebra if you dont belive me you can easly go see the downtown abbey game as well, even thought the doc was aligned to eb town-sided i called him scum still

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm pretty sure you started it because you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you had to improvise a new definition for the term "scum" as it is normally used in this game just so you could keep arguing without admitting defeat.

im not at all. scum and mafia are two different terms

Okay, I'll play. What do each of them mean?

a2thezebra wrote:I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that. You're literally pretending to not know the definition of the term to try and save your argument.

im not, i know the term of a mafia and the term of a scum

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that. You're literally pretending to not know the definition of the term to try and save your argument.

im not, i know the term of a mafia and the term of a scum

Right then, what's the difference?

a2thezebra wrote:

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm pretty sure you started it because you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you had to improvise a new definition for the term "scum" as it is normally used in this game just so you could keep arguing without admitting defeat.

im not at all. scum and mafia are two different terms

Okay, I'll play. What do each of them mean?

maifa= a player who aligned to the mafia spcifcly and can not with with any other faciton toher them mafia otherwise stated

scum= a player who does not have a town wincon or shares wincons with a said player

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm pretty sure you started it because you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you had to improvise a new definition for the term "scum" as it is normally used in this game just so you could keep arguing without admitting defeat.

im not at all. scum and mafia are two different terms

Okay, I'll play. What do each of them mean?

maifa= a player who aligned to the mafia spcifcly and can not with with any other faciton toher them mafia otherwise stated

scum= a player who does not have a town wincon or shares wincons with a said player

And which of these are the cylons? Or are they both? Or are they neither?

a2thezebra wrote:

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm pretty sure you started it because you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you had to improvise a new definition for the term "scum" as it is normally used in this game just so you could keep arguing without admitting defeat.

im not at all. scum and mafia are two different terms

Okay, I'll play. What do each of them mean?

maifa= a player who aligned to the mafia spcifcly and can not with with any other faciton toher them mafia otherwise stated

scum= a player who does not have a town wincon or shares wincons with a said player

And which of these are the cylons? Or are they both? Or are they neither?

i think ym statements on my stance of cyclons has made it clear. i have been callign them scum all game long. so where do you tihnk they go?

if i player more games that had multiball mechanics or something like this gaem has you would be seeing that i do use the terminology of mafia/WW/3rd party for respective players.

in downtoan abbey i called the doctor (who was sig) to be scum. his wincon was not town so peraonlly i didnt care hat happens to him

Why are we still entertaining this? Seriously?

Oh my god.

lmao these poor newcomers

i aleady offered others to make a new dicussion and it would porb be moved on but nobody is saying anything so......

idgt?

If you're defining who your allies and who your enemies are by their win condition exclusively, you're in deep shit. End of discussion.

a2thezebra wrote:lmao these poor newcomers

for real, they should of seen us fighing in heist

a2thezebra wrote:If you're defining who your allies and who your enemies are by their win condition exclusively, you're in deep shit. End of discussion.

well consdiering how golden has not stated any wincons, why should we not define it by wincons?

zebra how come you voted black rock? last time you were against lurker lynched and how it seems to have played out BR would be a lurker no?

Because we are playing townies VS mafia! And the last 10 pages or so consist of you repeating 10000000000000000 times that cylons are scum (which apparently means to you not mafia just different win conditions). Ok! We get it! Even if they don't have the same win conditions, the whole point of the game is to sniff out mafia, not random win conditions, and we've all figured out that everyone in the game has different win conditions .... So unless we kill everyone because everyone has different win conditions, then can we PLEASE get on with sniffing out the MAFIA and not ten more pages of this?!

Just for anyone who missed the last ten pages: Ika thinks cylons are scum (people with different win conditions) and should die.
There. It's official. Now LETS MOVE ON.

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

ika wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Nope. You're wiggling because the only weapon you have left right now appears to be appeal to how "literal" you were by never using the word "mafia". Nice use of "goal post" fallacy, btw, I must have used it three times before you thought of memorizing it and using it (poorly) in your own texts.

Btw, no answer from you, is scum not the term of mafia players, in a game of mafia?

i never once use the word mafia and for very good reasons. your the one trying to misrepresent my post by "litarly" saying mafia=scum when it does not.

scum=scum
mafia=maifa

so plz misrepresent more

Is scum not the term of mafia players, in a game of mafia?

no its not.

Oh wait, I get it. You do realize that when I said "mafia players", I meant players who roll mafia, right?

If answer is yes,

Is scum not the term of mafia players, in a game of mafia?

If answer is no, semantics again to wiggle your way out of the argument... again.

That was a painful bit of reading.

DrumBeats wrote:@Epi - Are you town-aligned?

Do you know if any other cylons are town-aligned?


I'm fine with Epig covering a shift. We all will know if Epig deviates from the plan so I don't see any reason not to.

Yes.

No.

Sorry if I deviated from the plan.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

ika wrote:indeglo, epi is scum no matter what angle you wan tto take its scum

Right now I envision Golden having a hearty chuckle.

Anyway, lynching Epignosis again might answer all these questions anyway.

Is your win condition to answer questions or lynch evil? You don't have to answer that.

indiglo wrote:Ok, 1 for real last thought.


@ Epi - You said you have no idea why you're back. Did you watch the show?

You were not told about the Rezz Ship? I assumed that would have been common Cylon knowledge.

I know almost nothing of the program and was told nothing about ships.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I can envision this argument turning into one that devours Day 2 and wastes everyone's time.

If Epi is lynched again then there's a good chance some of these concerns will be answered. Until he is removed from the game this argument will persist, and the mere thought of that is already irking me.

Pretty sure I forgot So say we all too. Oops. Not going to shimmy it in there now, I just screwed up.

You're stating I should be lynched again preemptively because of the discussion people are going to have about me. I do believe you are bad.

indiglo wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

ika wrote:

Polo wrote:
Are you taking this personally because of Epi's dialogue with Silverwolf or do you really think there's no way a Cylon's win condition cannot be the death of all humans?

I'm playing the Devil's advocate here, by the way. Every option is still a option to me and I believe one needs to tread carefully in the early stages of a game.

it it not personal at all, not one bit.

EPI IS SCUM, CYLON NEED TO, DIE NO QUESTIONS ASKED! IF I HAVE TO QUOTE SPAM THIS EVEY POST I WILL

Please don't spam the same thing over again. I do think we need to kill Epignosis again, I agree with you there. But I am not going into Day 2 with the mindset of lynching him. We may end up with the same result and that would be unproductive.

I'd rather see what these missions can procure for us, and search elsewhere in the process. Focusing on Epignosis won't help if there are seven other Cylons we need to eliminate.

Replying as I catch back up. (GoT was a bust, wouldn't stream well on HBONow atm, so we're trying again tomorrow. Poop.)


This is where I'm at. (What the Marmot said.) Epi is clearly a Cylon. I'm fine with killing him. I also think if we just lynch him again, before destroying Rezz Ships, we get the same outcome - with no new info. I'm willing to try to gain info from him if we can (keeping in mind the source, of course) and also look for other Cylons.

I'm not calling Epi town. I don't think anyone has done that. Some of us are simply open to the possibility that his win cons may be different from those of the other Cylons.


Thought of another question.

@ Epi - Do you have BTSC?
Do you know if other Cylons have BTSC?

No to both questions.

I would prefer not to be lynched again. Right now I am guaranteed the votes of ika, Silverwolf, and Long Con. These are three people who are comfortable burning the Day 2 lynch.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Good night guys. I'm an outed player. If you think I am bad, ask yourself why. If you think I'm good, then bombard me with questions. I'll answer.

Lynch Silverwolf. She was not expecting my survival.

Wouldn't a Cylon be expecting the survival of a Cylon?

I wouldn't know.

ObscureAllure wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Lynch Silverwolf please.

Why? Not that I disagree, but why?

I believe that either silver wolf and/or Ika is bad, leaning more towards ika though.
I think Epi is a townie win condition, regardess of the cylon character name.
I believe Lunar is mafia, and polo is either mafia or just new to the game.

As I said, I think a good SilverWolf would have waited to hear from me before putting a second, permanent vote on me after MM voted me for no reason.

Lastly, I checked the weather report and it says "Blizzards with a chance of Elvis sightings." That must be because, for once in my lifetime, I like where Matt's head is.

Silverwolf wrote:I am leaving in 5 minutes for a Dr. appt. I will have my phone with me but if I can't post in time, ika has said he will do it. I will let him know if it is needed.

Also, anyone defending Epi can die after he does when Epi flips scum. If he flips town, then this game is a Bastard game where the mod is allowed to mislead the players and I did not see it advertised as a bastard game.

Changing wincons is different. That's not what this is about.

Gotta go............

I've already "flipped." Just because you are addicted to the mindset that Golden's creation must be identical to something on mafiascum does not make Golden's creation a "Bastard" game. It means you are unwilling to accept a new paradigm.

Silverwolf wrote:Also, you will lynch ika over my dead body.

Suits me.

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

ika wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm pretty sure you started it because you realized that you were contradicting yourself so you had to improvise a new definition for the term "scum" as it is normally used in this game just so you could keep arguing without admitting defeat.

im not at all. scum and mafia are two different terms

Okay, I'll play. What do each of them mean?

maifa= a player who aligned to the mafia spcifcly and can not with with any other faciton toher them mafia otherwise stated

scum= a player who does not have a town wincon or shares wincons with a said player

lmfao

Ok, I'll bite. If cylons are hence merely "scum", they do not need to die.

Simple.

Actually, I don't intend to pursue your lunch until the rez ship is destroyed.

Long Con wrote:Actually, I don't intend to pursue your lunch until the rez ship is destroyed.

I hope I can change your mind by then, in that case.

If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

Epi - I know I haven't been playing with them long, but I actually think that silver wolf is reacting the way she is out of her personal desire to protect Ika, not actual in game reasons. If I had to bet, it's Ika and not silver wolf who is mafia. In fact the more I see, the more sure I am that silver wolf has in the least a townie role. I think her personal feelings have just gotten the best of her and she's reacting based on that.

For what it's worth, I believe you to be for the townie cause, regardless of your cylon role.

I think Ika and LC have BTSC based on a few comments that have been made. My vote tomorrow will be for one of them. Most likely Ika because at this point I'm just tired of reading page after page of the same thing.

Ricochet wrote:If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

No.

And now it's time to go home.

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.

He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].

Are you mafia/bad, Epig?

No.

And now it's time to go home.

Cool. Then you don't need to die and I don't have a reason to vote for you tomorrow or when you will turn mortal.

Also, I am officially done ever using the word scum in mafia games here and shall revert back to our traditional, cute "baddies" term. It was kinda fun and contagious to adopt scum back when a lot of new players arrived from other forums (think it was around the time of Biblical Mafia?) and were using that instead for baddies, but right now it's contagiousness has turned of the pestilential kind, so no point considering it fun to use anymore.

ObscureAllure wrote:Epi - I know I haven't been playing with them long, but I actually think that silver wolf is reacting the way she is out of her personal desire to protect Ika, not actual in game reasons. If I had to bet, it's Ika and not silver wolf who is mafia. In fact the more I see, the more sure I am that silver wolf has in the least a townie role. I think her personal feelings have just gotten the best of her and she's reacting based on that.

For what it's worth, I believe you to be for the townie cause, regardless of your cylon role.

I think Ika and LC have BTSC based on a few comments that have been made. My vote tomorrow will be for one of them. Most likely Ika because at this point I'm just tired of reading page after page of the same thing.

I am much more reasonable and delightful to keep around, I agree. I will be happy to join you on that ika vote. He and I are not affiliated in any way that I know of.

When is the next window for a sector check? I have my local time on when offline.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I can envision this argument turning into one that devours Day 2 and wastes everyone's time.

If Epi is lynched again then there's a good chance some of these concerns will be answered. Until he is removed from the game this argument will persist, and the mere thought of that is already irking me.

Pretty sure I forgot So say we all too. Oops. Not going to shimmy it in there now, I just screwed up.

You're stating I should be lynched again preemptively because of the discussion people are going to have about me.

Yes I am. I don't know whether it'd even benefit me or my faction to lynch you, but I absolutely can't stand massive arguments of game mechanics that absorb game threads and totally supplant investigative posts. Even when people try to do it, their efforts are drowned out -- and in this case it's even worse than usual when all I see is a bunch of caps lock and deliberate spamming. Kill me now.

It's a rare day when something annoys me so much in a game that my desire to see it go away trumps my desire to win, but we're here. If there's a solution that isn't lynching you, lemme have it. I'm all ears.

Epignosis wrote:I do believe you are bad.

Good discussion going here! Please remember, my beloveds, that when one is banging one's head against a wall, it never hurts the wall, only one's head.

ObscureAllure wrote:Epi - I know I haven't been playing with them long, but I actually think that silver wolf is reacting the way she is out of her personal desire to protect Ika, not actual in game reasons. If I had to bet, it's Ika and not silver wolf who is mafia. In fact the more I see, the more sure I am that silver wolf has in the least a townie role. I think her personal feelings have just gotten the best of her and she's reacting based on that.

For what it's worth, I believe you to be for the townie cause, regardless of your cylon role.

I think Ika and LC have BTSC based on a few comments that have been made. My vote tomorrow will be for one of them. Most likely Ika because at this point I'm just tired of reading page after page of the same thing.

Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing what those few comments are, if you have the time and are so inclined.

I like where your head is at on the ika/SW thing too. It's almost reminiscent of Turf Wars, where that very thing was true. (ika baddie, SW civ) Though, it's hard for me to sift through all the (what I consider "crazy") to see actual things. If that makes any sense.

Hopefully my thoughts on Epi are clear at this point. I have avoided mentioning them again due to obvious thread craziness, and so as not to trigger more carbon copy posts. I'm not concerned with lynching him. I'd prefer to look elsewhere so we can info gather as we explore for Rezz Ships. There are other Cylon roles that are more important to eliminate, imo.

Ok, popping off again.


Linki~
@Rico, next sortie is scheduled for: 5:49pm EST (4:49pm Central) for SW. Here is a map she may choose from for her sector, if we want to make it to the corner we can start doing diagonals or summat.


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6[/quote]

EBWOP -

Or in approximately 1.5 hours

ika wrote:

juliets wrote:So if all cylons are bad we are sitting here with 12 mafia, 16 civs, and 1 secret role. Does that seem reasonable?

and you thinkn 12 scums put together sounds reasonsable? its kinda clear they prob dont know each other offhand

You think 21 vs 8 is reasonable?