MAD MAX: GAME OVER

[DrWilgy]

I could not possibly be in more anticipation of this flip.

And you'll be in anticipation for this flip for another 10 minutes or so.

RIOT

[Tangrowth]

I could not possibly be in more anticipation of this flip.

And you'll be in anticipation for this flip for another 10 minutes or so.

That's fair.

Thanks for all of your hard work. This is a really great game.

[Sloonei]

Thanks for the reminder, MP! Look how weak this GTH scum team is.

Elohcin, Glorfindel, sprityo, indiglo

AKA "The four quietest players in the game"

I don't care how quiet people are. That's where my head went when the gun was pointed at it. I also think Wilgy is quieter than those non-indiglo people.

Why is this where your head went?

I've explained these at various points in the game. I'll summarize:

Elohcin should be clear. I made a huge case.

Glorfindel looks to me like he is struggling to involve himself organically when he is present, independent of his external time constraints.

I made a smaller case on sprityo earlier in the game and he hasn't done anything since. I think he's in the red zone for scum prospects in terms of contributory stats (post count, post thickness). I don't see a reason to call him town.

indiglo is a default pick because I have enough town leans that process of elimination leaves me there.

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is your suspicion of Elohcin really so strong that you can't suspect another supposedly incompatible player, even when you don't actually know Eloh's role?

"can't" suspect is not what I meant. If I think two people are suspicious to variable degrees, but are also incompatible team mates -- my priority is naturally going to be the one I suspect more.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

It doesn't sound like you're talking about everyone in the game. Who did I not include that you I think I should have? Who did I include that you think I shouldn't have?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jimmy you keep making really dickless inference to me being bad but ain't said shit yet. You just tryna discredit me because I am fucking legit and you can't touch me and want to be me.

When you talk like this you're usually bad, so cool.

Can you back this up? I am not inclined to believe it is true, but I haven't played many games with Mac in the last... three years or so.

Probably not. DrunkMac asked people to come at him, so I threw poop at him. I might suggest Mac is more likely to use a word like "dickless" when his intent is to discredit (implying bad). He can dismiss accusations with similar brevity as a townie, but often with more controlled language. That's what I remember him doing in Transistor at least on the surface of my memory. Whether that assertion was really true I couldn't say.

[MacDougall]

Hahaha so many people watching.

[Tangrowth]

DrunkMac asked people to come at him, so I threw poop at him.

This seems almost signature worthy.

[Sloonei]

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

It doesn't sound like you're talking about everyone in the game. Who did I not include that you I think I should have? Who did I include that you think I shouldn't have?

Macdougall, LoRab, Wilgy, and MP would be the first four names I'd like to hear you talk about in this context.

[Glorfindel]

Regarding Glorfindel, he and I had a brief exchange earlier in the day about Rico's role that I am still sorting out in my head. The conversation went nowhere in terms of specific reads being developed, but that doesn't mean he brought it up for no reason.

I need to look back at Rico's posts for any evidence of information he may have acquired on Day 1.

Good man!

[Tangrowth]

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

It doesn't sound like you're talking about everyone in the game. Who did I not include that you I think I should have? Who did I include that you think I shouldn't have?

Macdougall, LoRab, Wilgy, and MP would be the first four names I'd like to hear you talk about in this context.

What about me?

[Tangrowth]

Hello, Glorfindel!

[MacDougall]

Jimmy you keep making really dickless inference to me being bad but ain't said shit yet. You just tryna discredit me because I am fucking legit and you can't touch me and want to be me.

When you talk like this you're usually bad, so cool.

Can you back this up? I am not inclined to believe it is true, but I haven't played many games with Mac in the last... three years or so.

Probably not. DrunkMac asked people to come at him, so I threw poop at him. I might suggest Mac is more likely to use a word like "dickless" when his intent is to discredit (implying bad). He can dismiss accusations with similar brevity as a townie, but often with more controlled language. That's what I remember him doing in Transistor at least on the surface of my memory. Whether that assertion was really true I couldn't say.

Yeah I don't disagree. Usually I go through these chaos periods in games I am Mafia but it's more of a reaction to being pressure, not being pressure only as Mafia. I tend not to catch much flak when I am a civ so there's not much documented meta of me having the same reaction as a civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Of course the highlighted strategy is a beneficial way to play the game. But do you think LoRab is being genuine here? This post seems primarily focused on things that aren't really relevant to the case I made against her, and this concerns me. I make no objections to the notion that LoRab was proposing an explanation for the nightkill. I had previously asked for people's thoughts on the matter. I am objecting to the specific theory that she laid out. Do you agree or disagree that "The mafia killed SVS to either save or frame Elohcin" is an odd assumption to make about that kill?

And to your second paragraph I would say that I do not think last night's kill was a frame job. Rather, it looks to me like LoRab is just jumping on it as an opportunity to push for Elohcin's lynch. Eloh was a good, easy lynch target entering the day; she's exactly the type of player a baddie would be inclined to push a bandwagon against. And LoRab came out pushing that wagon right off the bat today after having remarkably little to say about Eloh on Days 1 & 2.

Nobody is more familiar with the specific context of your case against LoRab than you are. If there is a relevance discrepancy in her response, I didn't see it. That's something you could illustrate.

At face value, I don't object to the suggestion of a possibility (including hypothetical save/frame motives). Night kill discussion is going to go there by default when prompted. I would object to "I believe it was absolutely about a save/frame, full stop." just because it's not a logical assertion in the absence of objective information.

I thought LoRab looked reasonably authentic in that post. I didn't spill my tears all over they keyboard in a fit of immense inspiration, but it looked fine to me.

[Sloonei]

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

It doesn't sound like you're talking about everyone in the game. Who did I not include that you I think I should have? Who did I include that you think I shouldn't have?

Macdougall, LoRab, Wilgy, and MP would be the first four names I'd like to hear you talk about in this context.

What about me?

He's been non-committal on you all game long. I have been too, so I'm not accusing him of fence-sitting or anything. I just want to know what his current thoughts are and why he settled on you not being a part of the scum team. But I guess he already addressed this via his assertion that you and Eloh are not compatible.

[Tangrowth]

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

It doesn't sound like you're talking about everyone in the game. Who did I not include that you I think I should have? Who did I include that you think I shouldn't have?

Macdougall, LoRab, Wilgy, and MP would be the first four names I'd like to hear you talk about in this context.

What about me?

He's been non-committal on you all game long. I have been too, so I'm not accusing him of fence-sitting or anything. I just want to know what his current thoughts are and why he settled on you not being a part of the scum team. But I guess he already addressed this via his assertion that you and Eloh are not compatible.

Oh, okay, got it.

[Tangrowth]

And you both have been non-committal about me... Seriously, I am Mr. Town. Town read me already. :P

[Sloonei]

And you both have been non-committal about me... Seriously, I am Mr. Town. Town read me already. :P

I am currently doing this. It's just taken me a while to get here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

It doesn't sound like you're talking about everyone in the game. Who did I not include that you I think I should have? Who did I include that you think I shouldn't have?

Macdougall, LoRab, Wilgy, and MP would be the first four names I'd like to hear you talk about in this context.

I've already talked about these people a crap load, save for Wilgy. I can see valid reasons to suspect all four of them, but I didn't find those reasons as compelling as the four my brain spat out in a moment of gun-to-head.

There's not much to say about Wilgy. He's doing what he does. I've seen him behave this way as a townie more than once. I don't want to give him meta credit though since it's the easiest meta to mimic of all time.

[Tangrowth]

And you both have been non-committal about me... Seriously, I am Mr. Town. Town read me already. :P

I am currently doing this. It's just taken me a while to get here.

[Tangrowth]

If Elo flips town, I'm going to flip a lid.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Regarding Glorfindel, he and I had a brief exchange earlier in the day about Rico's role that I am still sorting out in my head. The conversation went nowhere in terms of specific reads being developed, but that doesn't mean he brought it up for no reason.

I need to look back at Rico's posts for any evidence of information he may have acquired on Day 1.

Good man!

I can actually feel my shoulder being nudged while a hint hint is being mumbled.

[Sloonei]

I'm more curious about the players you opted not to include, but I'm not about to ask you to give a read of every single player in the game right now.

It doesn't sound like you're talking about everyone in the game. Who did I not include that you I think I should have? Who did I include that you think I shouldn't have?

Macdougall, LoRab, Wilgy, and MP would be the first four names I'd like to hear you talk about in this context.

I've already talked about these people a crap load, save for Wilgy. I can see valid reasons to suspect all four of them, but I didn't find those reasons as compelling as the four my brain spat out in a moment of gun-to-head.

There's not much to say about Wilgy. He's doing what he does. I've seen him behave this way as a townie more than once. I don't want to give him meta credit though since it's the easiest meta to mimic of all time.

Have you talked a crap load about lorab? Where is this load of crap?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If Elo flips town, I'm going to flip a lid.

I don't care as much as I usually would. The Bengals won. The Ravens and Steelers lost. I'm good today.

I hope the lynch works out. I tried my best.

[MacDougall]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

[MacDougall]

Elo being here but not speaking is a fairly good sign she is bad. If she was a civ I'd like to think she'd be leaving behind some legacy stuff and lamenting our foolishness.

[Tangrowth]

If Elo flips town, I'm going to flip a lid.

I don't care as much as I usually would. The Bengals won. The Ravens and Steelers lost. I'm good today.

I hope the lynch works out. I tried my best.

I've spent all day in a boxing match with SAS and it beat me repeatedly. I need this.

[DrWilgy]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

Why is "Wilgy Expert" a title people are striving for?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Have you talked a crap load about lorab? Where is this load of crap?

The load of crap representing my LoRab talk is probably smaller than the loads of crap representing Mac and MP. The post you asked me about was probably my most substantive LoRab thing today. It was also a positive assessment. Agree or disagree, it's a good reason I wouldn't scum her.

[Tangrowth]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

I'm not nearly as confident in my ability to even remotely read the guy. What makes you think he is civilian, if you can point to anything specific?

[Tangrowth]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

Why is "Wilgy Expert" a title people are striving for?

It would give me great joy to consider myself a Wilgy Expert.

[Sloonei]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

Why is "Wilgy Expert" a title people are striving for?

I'd rather be a Wilgy Doctor.

[Tangrowth]

This is the slowest 40 minutes of my life.

[Sloonei]

Have you talked a crap load about lorab? Where is this load of crap?

The load of crap representing my LoRab talk is probably smaller than the loads of crap representing Mac and MP. The post you asked me about was probably my most substantive LoRab thing today. It was also a positive assessment. Agree or disagree, it's a good reason I wouldn't scum her.

Am I allowed to request ISOs? I want a LoRab ISO on my desk by noon o clock tomorrow.

[MacDougall]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

Why is "Wilgy Expert" a title people are striving for?

I dunno about striving but having rolled being your partner in like 4 games I think I have more experience than most working directly with you so I'd be a Wilgy expert by default.

[insertnamehere]

unfortunately, when I went to school, there were only classes in understanding Vompatti.

[Sloonei]

This is the slowest 40 minutes of my life.

it's been 40 minutes!? That was a fast 40 minutes.

[Tangrowth]

This is the slowest 40 minutes of my life.

it's been 40 minutes!? That was a fast 40 minutes.

Yeah, I kid, it has actually gone pretty quickly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Have you talked a crap load about lorab? Where is this load of crap?

The load of crap representing my LoRab talk is probably smaller than the loads of crap representing Mac and MP. The post you asked me about was probably my most substantive LoRab thing today. It was also a positive assessment. Agree or disagree, it's a good reason I wouldn't scum her.

Am I allowed to request ISOs? I want a LoRab ISO on my desk by noon o clock tomorrow.

I can try. It's very possible that "I'm playing a Mafia game" is about to become "I am playing three Mafia games". It wasn't supposed to line up that way, but it did.

[Sloonei]

Have you talked a crap load about lorab? Where is this load of crap?

The load of crap representing my LoRab talk is probably smaller than the loads of crap representing Mac and MP. The post you asked me about was probably my most substantive LoRab thing today. It was also a positive assessment. Agree or disagree, it's a good reason I wouldn't scum her.

Am I allowed to request ISOs? I want a LoRab ISO on my desk by noon o clock tomorrow.

I can try. It's very possible that "I'm playing a Mafia game" is about to become "I am playing three Mafia games". It wasn't supposed to line up that way, but it did.

Maybe Neil can do the ISO then.

[Tangrowth]

Have you talked a crap load about lorab? Where is this load of crap?

The load of crap representing my LoRab talk is probably smaller than the loads of crap representing Mac and MP. The post you asked me about was probably my most substantive LoRab thing today. It was also a positive assessment. Agree or disagree, it's a good reason I wouldn't scum her.

Am I allowed to request ISOs? I want a LoRab ISO on my desk by noon o clock tomorrow.

I can try. It's very possible that "I'm playing a Mafia game" is about to become "I am playing three Mafia games". It wasn't supposed to line up that way, but it did.

Does this by chance include the game on MafiaManiac that I'm going to be playing too?

[indiglo]

I smell much better now. What shall we discuss until it's time to look at Zombies?

I will soon be deciding if trying to "catch up" on the thread is doable, or a hopeless endeavor.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does this by chance include the game on MafiaManiac that I'm going to be playing too?

I did include that game, but I just checked and apparently it's being postponed due to slow sign-ups and a Halloween themed game they want to do.

[Tangrowth]

Does this by chance include the game on MafiaManiac that I'm going to be playing too?

I did include that game, but I just checked and apparently it's being postponed due to slow sign-ups and a Halloween themed game they want to do.

Oh, good. I want to play it, but it'd be preferable not to be playing multiple games while finishing up this paper thing.

[Tangrowth]

I smell much better now. What shall we discuss until it's time to look at Zombies?

I will soon be deciding if trying to "catch up" on the thread is doable, or a hopeless endeavor.

It's doable.

I think.

[Sloonei]

I smell much better now. What shall we discuss until it's time to look at Zombies?

I will soon be deciding if trying to "catch up" on the thread is doable, or a hopeless endeavor.

You surely do not need to read the entire thing. I think trying to do that in a situation like yours just causes you to fall behind even further in the thread. It's better to use what time you have talking with people in the thread, if you can. So um

Based on the content on this page alone, who looks better: MP or JJJ?

[Sloonei]

I smell much better now. What shall we discuss until it's time to look at Zombies?

I will soon be deciding if trying to "catch up" on the thread is doable, or a hopeless endeavor.

You surely do not need to read the entire thing. I think trying to do that in a situation like yours just causes you to fall behind even further in the thread. It's better to use what time you have talking with people in the thread, if you can. So um

Based on the content on this page alone, who looks better: MP or JJJ?

By "this page" you can pretend I mean the last 2 or 3 pages.

[MacDougall]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

I'm not nearly as confident in my ability to even remotely read the guy. What makes you think he is civilian, if you can point to anything specific?

Just seems really calm and isn't playing up any weird tactics here. He's vibing like the wrongly lynched Tree Mafia Wilgy to me.

[Tangrowth]

I smell much better now. What shall we discuss until it's time to look at Zombies?

I will soon be deciding if trying to "catch up" on the thread is doable, or a hopeless endeavor.

You surely do not need to read the entire thing. I think trying to do that in a situation like yours just causes you to fall behind even further in the thread. It's better to use what time you have talking with people in the thread, if you can. So um

Based on the content on this page alone, who looks better: MP or JJJ?

This is a good point. You can always start from here, engage others in conversation, and then dig into someone's ISO too to gain perspective on something that happened.

[Tangrowth]

I'd like to think I am an expert at Wilgy and I think he is a civilian here.

I'm not nearly as confident in my ability to even remotely read the guy. What makes you think he is civilian, if you can point to anything specific?

Just seems really calm and isn't playing up any weird tactics here. He's vibing like the wrongly lynched Tree Mafia Wilgy to me.

That's fair, thanks. FWIW I'm tone reading him as genuine as well, hence his rise to slight town on my most recent rainbow.