The Syndicate

Day 5: Heavily Meditated



The group were really sad after Eloh's second death. Some blamed their friend the Mongoose, others suddenly had a lifetime aversion to pho. They decided a walk in the forest was the perfect way to recalibrate and rejuvenate after such a traumatic event.



"Wow, this is one of the biggest trees I've ever seen!" marveled Sorsha.

"I hear there is a similar-sized one up the road in Thomasville, Georgia," said Llama.



"Hey, guys, look over here -- there's a meditation labyrinth!"

"I've heard of a prayer circle or maze," said Made.

"I think it's pretty much the same thing," said Blooper.

The group stopped in the middle of the labyrinth. Many were marveled at all the colors.


The group wandered through the labyrinth, each by him or himself, each to his/her own device.

JJJ got lost in the labyrinth and was pulled into the woods. He was eaten by a Florida Panther.

JaggedJimmyJay has died.

It is now Day 5. You have 48 hours to find the Overalls.

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All the pics in this post show a real place in Tallahassee called Lichgate. It's open to the public, and I take an outdoor yoga class here around the big tree. Check it out.






This is the yoga class I take at Lichgate.


And this is my own Yoga Teacher Training graduation at Lichgate, where I officially became a yoga teacher! I'm on the orange mat.

A Person wrote:that place is really pretty

Would look prettier with a poll.

Epignosis wrote:

A Person wrote:that place is really pretty

Would look prettier with a poll.

it's perfect just how it was made <3

RIP JJJ.

Is it a LC lynch type of day, or is he gonna claim he used his immunity?

Host post singled out the Overalls as the baddie we need to find. All the others have been written as 'Avenge x's killer' or something along those lines. Does this mean anything, Mongoose?

also who the fuck

Quin wrote:Host post singled out the Overalls as the baddie we need to find. All the others have been written as 'Avenge x's killer' or something along those lines. Does this mean anything, Mongoose?

It's just a narrative choice since I didn't want to write "You have 48 hours to find the Florida Panther."

Mongoose wrote:

Quin wrote:Host post singled out the Overalls as the baddie we need to find. All the others have been written as 'Avenge x's killer' or something along those lines. Does this mean anything, Mongoose?

It's just a narrative choice since I didn't want to write "You have 48 hours to find the Florida Panther."

Shame. That would have been a wild ride.

Scotty wrote:RIP JJJ.

Is it a LC lynch type of day, or is he gonna claim he used his immunity?

Funny you should ask: actually, neither!

My residual suspicion of Quin has waned some.

Quin wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Quin wrote:Host post singled out the Overalls as the baddie we need to find. All the others have been written as 'Avenge x's killer' or something along those lines. Does this mean anything, Mongoose?

It's just a narrative choice since I didn't want to write "You have 48 hours to find the Florida Panther."

Shame. That would have been a wild ride.

I have updated the poll accordingly.

The host option should have been, "All those damn guys who didn't make it to the playoffs this year."

RIP JJJ. I was surprised to see you go but I guess I shouldn't have been considering the WIFOM value of your death. Sorry to see you go.

This reinforces my view that the kills are logical, outright strategic kills.

Epignosis wrote:This reinforces my view that the kills are logical, outright strategic kills.

Why is a JJJ kill more logical and strategic than another kill?

Epignosis wrote:My residual suspicion of Quin has waned some.

Epi, is there a specific reason for this?

thellama73 wrote:

Quin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Quin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Quin wrote: I gave you no reads, no motivations, just a cryptic post that could have lead to your death. You didn't want to inquire about any of that?

No, I didn't. And I still don't see why you think my lack of interest is the same thing as malevolence. I've asked you this several times, and as far as I understand it, you haven't answered.

It wasn't a lack of interest. It was complacency. I've said this probably three times now, don't act like I haven't.

Very well, why is complacency an indicator of malevolence?

There are more baddie traits than malevolence, llama. I made a statement entailing an intention to lynch one of two people (one of which was you) and you did not care because of all the good things I'd had to say about you prior. A baddie does that. A civilian says 'hang on, this guy has said nothing at all but threatened me or DDL with a vote. What are his motivations? I want to talk about this while I'm still alive.'

You are asserting that a baddie is more apt to be complacent than a civilian. I reject that assertion, and believe that you have provided no evidence for it.

I didn't feel threatened by you. I was quite confident I would survive. I rather assumed you would reveal your reasons before voting, and was surprised when you didn't. But I felt no need to address your original comment. I still feel no need to address it.

So, here's the main reason I was trusting Llama. I felt like he was hinting at being the Denim Shirt. Now I feel like someone else has hinted much more strongly at being the Denim Shirt. I don't know if anyone else picked up on this from Llama, and I'm interested in some takes on it.

Llama is also the one who has done the most "Oh, good, since Civs can win while dead I'm unafraid of lynch now " talk. I find this kind of suspicious, like, why do we need to hear this?

I personally did not pick up on that comment as Llama hinting at being the denim shirt. I thought he meant that people would be unlikely to vote for him just because he didn't respond to Quin's comment about breaking the tie. I also don't see who else might be hinting at being the denim shirt so I guess I need to do some additional re-reading.

One caveat is I'm generally not very good at picking up on hints.

juliets wrote:

Epignosis wrote:My residual suspicion of Quin has waned some.

Epi, is there a specific reason for this?

General demeanor I guess. If I had any specific reason I don't remember it.

I did notice the comment by llama but haven't noticed a hint by anyone else.

So you think llama is lying about it LC? Or the other player is?

Mongoose wrote:Day 1: Bears in Space

The group decided that the Jean Genie was most likely in the Levi Strauss Space Station, and thus traveled there in a one-way space shuttle.

On board the station, the group began looking through all the rooms and cubbies for the Jean Genie.

"This red light is blinking," said MovingPictures07.

"Press it! Press the red button!" said Llama.

"What if it makes the space station self-detonate?" asked Dragon.

"Yeah, or negates life support?" wondered Epignosis.

"I'm pretty sure it's an audio file," said Elohcin.

"How do you figure?" asked A Person.

"It's labeled 'Audio File'", Elohcin replied, and then pressed the button.

A computerized voice began to speak.

Hello Travelers. This is JACEN speaking. The Jean Genie will be around in the nighttime, for he sleeps during the day as all nocturnal creatures must.

I have a story to impart to you that comes from mythology.

This is the story of the Seven Sisters.
Seven sisters, fair of face and mind traveled the lands for many years. Near November of one especially warm year, Orion gazed upon these Seven Sisters and fell instantly in love with them all. He pursued them year after year. Eventually, Zeus heard the Sisters' prayers and turned them into birds. The birds ascended past the troposphere and into the galaxy, becoming stars. We know them know as the Seven Sisters constellation, or Pleiades.

What's interesting to me is that we can only detect six stars in Pleiades with the naked eye, yet nearly every culture has an origin story about this constellation of Pleiades that calls it Seven Sisters, or a similar permutation. Seven, when only six have been detectable for all these years by the human eye. Not until the advancement of our telescopes were we able to confirm the existence of this seventh star. But yes, she's there.


"Interesting," mused Ninjablooper.

"Speaking of mythology, are you like Jason from the Argonauts?" Dr Wilgy asked.

No, my name is spelled J-A-C-E-N, which is just a phonetic way to spell the pronunciation humans tend to favor of my technical name, JCN.

"That might be something we should muse upon later," said Quin.

Suddenly, the station's lights went off. A few seconds later, the red-hued auxiliary power came on, and with it screeching sirens alarmed.

"Sirens? Aren't the Seven Sisters also known as 'sirens'?" asked Scotty.

No one could answer as the station took a hit, unsettling all of the guests off their feet. Everyone helped one another up, and held on to various stationary objects on the ship, lest another impact occur.

"Hey guys, JCN isn't reacting!" Made called from the deck.

"Try rebooting the system!" JaggedJimmyJay suggested.

"It's gone completely dead!" Sorsha confirmed.

Suddenly all the systems booted up on the entire ship. A voice came over the intercom, startling everyone.

"This is the Seventh Sister. I have incapacitated JCN. I'm also disconnecting the lifepods. You have a day's worth of oxygen - unless some of you are heavy breathers."

It is now Day 1. You have 24 hours to discover the Seventh Sister.

Just going over some things, and this post still leaves me with some questions. What does JCN stand for? What did the Seventh Sister thing mean? Did we discover her, am I forgetting something?

No, my name is spelled J-A-C-E-N, which is just a phonetic way to spell the pronunciation humans tend to favor of my technical name, JCN.

"That might be something we should muse upon later," said Quin.

Is this a play on the word 'muse'? Should we have mused upon the Jacen/JCN thing?

Sorsha wrote:I did notice the comment by llama but haven't noticed a hint by anyone else.

So you think llama is lying about it LC? Or the other player is?

Between the two players, I feel as though the other player is telling the truth. I thought that player was way more blunt and dedicated to the concept.

Okay, I think I get who you're thinking it is.

As for the JCN/JACEN thing- you think Mongoose is giving hints about how to track down the mafia.... or what? Where are you going with this?

Sorsha wrote:Okay, I think I get who you're thinking it is.

As for the JCN/JACEN thing- you think Mongoose is giving hints about how to track down the mafia.... or what? Where are you going with this?

I don't see how it could be such a hint. I'm just saying it feels like a hint, or like something with meaning... right? I don't have anywhere to go with it, I just reread it and I wanted to comment on the oddness of it.

Obviously it's pretty unusual for a host to give any game-relevant extra info within a night post, so I don't feel like it will help us hunt baddies and win the game. The question shouldn't be "where am I going with this", but "where was Mongoose going with this?"

Sorsha wrote:Okay, I think I get who you're thinking it is.

I feel like it's so obvious that I would say the name... but better safe than sorry.

Now that you see it, do you feel me on the Llama thing, or am I jumping to conclusions?

LC, did you kill 3J?

Epignosis wrote:LC, did you kill 3J?

No I did not.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:LC, did you kill 3J?

No I did not.

That may be.

Is it because you aren't your baddie partner, Overalls?

Scotty, I thought I could count on you. I thought you understood.

Long Con wrote:Scotty, I thought I could count on you. I thought you understood.

Maybe I do.

I haven't voted yet.

I do see validity in what you're saying

I'm currently going through Llama's posts, but this kind of thing takes some time. I am building a post quote by quote, but I'm also livin' my life and interacting with my wife and kids, so it's a slow process. This day is double-long though, right? Not that I'll be doing this until tomorrow.

I feel like Elo 1.0's NK was a move to setup Quin.
I feel like JJJ's NK was a move to setup LC.


Gotta be honest, I just started trusting llama early on for no reason and never really backed up why I got that feeling. We had like-minded thoughts early on, which I guess should send red alarms, because who would do that with me?

I don't like llama's Day 1 vote for Sorsha. Sorta calling the kettle black here, but his vote looks...purposefully absent from a train.

I mean hell, he made up a blatant bullsuit but seemingly harmless reasoning for distrusting Sorsha in that she didn't follow the unmentioned jean game.
He stuck to it, didn't back down. JJJ called this a civ-minded mindset.

I don't always think that voting early and randomly in such a way is a civ-thing to do, since holding on to a late vote can potentially save you or your baddie partner. But with 4 baddies in the game, just one vote isn't as important to save. He wouldn't be responsible for a mislynch on day 1, and, as witnessed, doesn't look as bad for not being on the baddie lynch train.

He jumped on Wilgy after me (#2), which is a good look, but as someone pointed out, Wilgy's lynch was a misnomer in that it was almost a foregone conclusion that a ton of people would be voting that way. In the same boat, my vote for Wilgy looks equally as meh.

Yeah, I've been ignoring him because he's voted and thought very similarly to me. If I am blendy by JJJ's standards, I would think he is pretty blendy as well.

Just going through Llama's posts to see what I see. I'll quote anything that I think is a bit sketchy.

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Vote Sorsha. Locked In. Final Answer.

Are votes changeable?

No, which I rather wish I had remembered before casting mine.

I think it was discussed a bit at the time, but why does Llama act regretful when he voted Sorsha "Locked In. Final Answer."?

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:In this game, you can change your answers in non-lynch polls but not in lynch polls.

I know that NOW!

Which is it? Do you know it NOW, or do you wish you had remembered it?

thellama73 wrote:In my opinion, there's a lot of civ on civ squabbling going on up in here, and a lot of baddie coasting and laughing. Also, a lot of Llama going to bed.

As I said when he first said this: That opinion makes me feel suspicious, because I do not understand how a Civ could formulate it. In the parlance of our times: how the f*ck would you think that?

IF it's true that the main arguments are Civ on Civ, then there are four players who know that for sure, and correctly identifying such a thing could be a way to get that baddie some buddying-style Civ cred. As in, each Civ in this big Civ on Civ conflict can think "I'm a Civ, so Llama is at least reading me right and trying to steer this game in the right direction!"

thellama73 wrote:I also agree with the players saying that DDL sounds civ. He sounds civ to me too, particularly his post about game mechanics.

Straight-up defense of a baddie. Note that Llama doesn't just say "I think he's civ and here's why", he's puts it out there as an agreement with other opinions. It's not coming from Llama, it's coming from "the players" he's agreeing with.

thellama73 wrote:I certainly think Epignosis looks good after this result, and while it's conceivable that it's an elaborate ploy, it's very unlikely, so I will put him aside for a while. A few of the other DDL voters look pretty good too, and I'm even willing to give Sorsha a second chance. It would have ben very easy for her to justify a vote for me if she were bad.

I think Long Con and INH likely had pure motivations for their votes, which leaves Quin and Wilgy as the most suspicious. I also want to take a look at those who avoided both wagons, as that's usually the smart play for baddies early in the game.

Accuses Quin and Wilgy based on their Day 1 votes, after he has already been building a case on Quin.

thellama73 wrote:I find the theory that the mafia blocked their own kill when they are already a man down on Day 2 very unlikely. But I would like to hear Wilgy give an account of himself before I vote for Quin.

I can't see any mention of Wilgy between this, and Llama's vote for Quin. He focuses entirely on Quin for quite a number of posts.

He does jump in early on the Wilgy vote, but as Scotty said, it was almost a foregone conclusion that Wilgy was going down.

Here's a bonus quote from Wilgy:

DrWilgy wrote:@Marmot my top 3 suspects are Llama, JJJ and idk.

I would've probably voted for JJJ yesterday had I been around, while mostly tonal, his stance on his suspects has been too rigid for what I expect of JJJ. I think a good comparison is his performance in Mad Max (civilian) where during my lynch he was jumping in and out of suspicion on multiple people. I'm not seeing anything comparable to Mad Max JJJ.

Nothing has improved my read on Llama, but his discussion with Quin yesterday has actually reinforced the negative tones I felt before. I suppose something that does make me doubt my original read on Llama slightly is the lack of INH. I don't know where his suspicion of Llama went even though it was similar to mine.

The part that throws me for a loop is that I feel no reason to remove the possibility that JJJ and Llama are teammates. A pattern of 2 high posters would normally cause me to assume that only 1 of them could be bad, but I do not feel that this time.

Does a baddie list all Civs as his suspects, or does he mix in a teammate for good measure? We know JJJ wasn't. And he tries to link Llama and JJJ as teammates as well, which allows Llama to be sort of "off the hook" when JJJ turns up Civ.


I'm going to post this now, I'm not up to present day posts, but I have to step away for a bit.

Long Con wrote:Does a baddie list all Civs as his suspects, or does he mix in a teammate for good measure? We know JJJ wasn't. And he tries to link Llama and JJJ as teammates as well, which allows Llama to be sort of "off the hook" when JJJ turns up Civ.

Well, we don't know that, really. It's heavily inferred though.

Right Quin?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In case I kick the bucket, I implore everyone to at least look back at my reads, and my rage against LC, with my role in mind. I think this game might be relatively simple to solve. Cool it with the tinfoil and reassess the game from a calm place.

I didn't know what to make of this post during the Day 2 no-lynch. Now "knowing" JJJ was good, but not knowing his role, I wonder what info we could gleam from this, if any.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In my opinion, there's a lot of civ on civ squabbling going on up in here, and a lot of baddie coasting and laughing. Also, a lot of Llama going to bed.

As I said when he first said this: That opinion makes me feel suspicious, because I do not understand how a Civ could formulate it. In the parlance of our times: how the f*ck would you think that?

IF it's true that the main arguments are Civ on Civ, then there are four players who know that for sure, and correctly identifying such a thing could be a way to get that baddie some buddying-style Civ cred. As in, each Civ in this big Civ on Civ conflict can think "I'm a Civ, so Llama is at least reading me right and trying to steer this game in the right direction!"

thellama73 wrote:I also agree with the players saying that DDL sounds civ. He sounds civ to me too, particularly his post about game mechanics.

Straight-up defense of a baddie. Note that Llama doesn't just say "I think he's civ and here's why", he's puts it out there as an agreement with other opinions. It's not coming from Llama, it's coming from "the players" he's agreeing with.

Seems to me you're trying to argue two incompatible things at the same time. If llama's game plan was to get on the civilian squabblers' good side, his post stating his agreement with other people regarding DDL would be antithetical to that strategy, wouldn't it?

Nevertheless, I believe llama should be more specific about his view at the time that DDL sounded good. Which of his six living posts gave you that impression, llama?

I haven't really considered llama because as I pointed out earlier, he made a post regarding the rationale for suspecting players that I thought was right on target. Since the Elo lynch though I've had to start reconsidering those reads and now I'm questioning just about everyone except Boomslang, blooper, Sorsha and Scotty.

LC, I may be misunderstanding what you are saying below but I don't see how it is evidence of llama's baddieness. Maybe I will understand it better when I go through his posts but I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on this more. Isn't he just adding to his case on Quin?

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I certainly think Epignosis looks good after this result, and while it's conceivable that it's an elaborate ploy, it's very unlikely, so I will put him aside for a while. A few of the other DDL voters look pretty good too, and I'm even willing to give Sorsha a second chance. It would have ben very easy for her to justify a vote for me if she were bad.

I think Long Con and INH likely had pure motivations for their votes, which leaves Quin and Wilgy as the most suspicious. I also want to take a look at those who avoided both wagons, as that's usually the smart play for baddies early in the game.

Accuses Quin and Wilgy based on their Day 1 votes, after he has already been building a case on Quin.

Just combing through pieces of Day 2. Lots of semantics shit with Quin v llama, JJJ v LC.

I think Quin still looks the civ in this game, and I'm as of yet unsure of LC and llama.

LC has said some hypocritical things which he said wasn't an alignment thing- a crux of JJJ's argument on Day 2. He's been on the bad side of some trains, and generally has talked himself out of JJJ's eye of suspicion for a time- which is not easy to do, mind you.

llama has successfully blended in by talking in symmetry with my thoughts, which is mildly disturbing. I'd recommend a salt bath. His voting record aint that special, and he seem to me like someone that has been active enough to know how to frame someone based on NKs.

Meh. I think one of llama or LC is bad. They could both be bad, I guess. But I'm feeling confident one of them is. Just don't know which yet.

After reviewing some of llama's posts I see that my thought process was wrongheaded about llama's comment that he was confident he wouldn't be lynched which LC interpreted as being a hint he was the Denim Shirt. It couldn't have meant that people would be unlikely to vote for him because he didn't respond to Quin's comment because llama's comment was talking about the past, not the present. So my interpretation was incorrect - I don't know what he meant by that comment.

I did however find another comment that I don't think llama would have made if he had been trying to hint he was the denim shirt:

thellama73 wrote: It's times like this I wish dead civilians could win with their team.

This comment was made on the day it looked like he might get lynched.

Also, when Mongoose came to the thread and said you would win with your team even if dead llama posted an emoticon that was joyful.

I haven't finished going through llama's posts but wanted to stop and address this issue while it was on my mind.

Either way...Denim shirt only has immunity up til today. So even if we lynch the Denim Shirt, it's not the worst thing in the world.

I'd just rather not risk lynching that role tomorrow, ya dig?

juliets wrote:I haven't really considered llama because as I pointed out earlier, he made a post regarding the rationale for suspecting players that I thought was right on target. Since the Elo lynch though I've had to start reconsidering those reads and now I'm questioning just about everyone except Boomslang, blooper, Sorsha and Scotty.

LC, I may be misunderstanding what you are saying below but I don't see how it is evidence of llama's baddieness. Maybe I will understand it better when I go through his posts but I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on this more. Isn't he just adding to his case on Quin?

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I certainly think Epignosis looks good after this result, and while it's conceivable that it's an elaborate ploy, it's very unlikely, so I will put him aside for a while. A few of the other DDL voters look pretty good too, and I'm even willing to give Sorsha a second chance. It would have ben very easy for her to justify a vote for me if she were bad.

I think Long Con and INH likely had pure motivations for their votes, which leaves Quin and Wilgy as the most suspicious. I also want to take a look at those who avoided both wagons, as that's usually the smart play for baddies early in the game.

Accuses Quin and Wilgy based on their Day 1 votes, after he has already been building a case on Quin.

My point here was that he sprinkled the lightest suspicion on Wilgy in the midst of shovelling it onto Quin. He didn't really follow up on his own suspicion of Wilgy until it was time to lynch Wilgy, then he jumped right in.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In my opinion, there's a lot of civ on civ squabbling going on up in here, and a lot of baddie coasting and laughing. Also, a lot of Llama going to bed.

As I said when he first said this: That opinion makes me feel suspicious, because I do not understand how a Civ could formulate it. In the parlance of our times: how the f*ck would you think that?

IF it's true that the main arguments are Civ on Civ, then there are four players who know that for sure, and correctly identifying such a thing could be a way to get that baddie some buddying-style Civ cred. As in, each Civ in this big Civ on Civ conflict can think "I'm a Civ, so Llama is at least reading me right and trying to steer this game in the right direction!"

thellama73 wrote:I also agree with the players saying that DDL sounds civ. He sounds civ to me too, particularly his post about game mechanics.

Straight-up defense of a baddie. Note that Llama doesn't just say "I think he's civ and here's why", he's puts it out there as an agreement with other opinions. It's not coming from Llama, it's coming from "the players" he's agreeing with.

Seems to me you're trying to argue two incompatible things at the same time. If llama's game plan was to get on the civilian squabblers' good side, his post stating his agreement with other people regarding DDL would be antithetical to that strategy, wouldn't it?

Nevertheless, I believe llama should be more specific about his view at the time that DDL sounded good. Which of his six living posts gave you that impression, llama?

Perhaps they were incompatible, or maybe Llama was doing multiple things. I was not really building a cohesive case, I was going through the posts and picking out what I thought looked suspicious. Feel fre to apply your own judgment; I am only one man.

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:Does a baddie list all Civs as his suspects, or does he mix in a teammate for good measure? We know JJJ wasn't. And he tries to link Llama and JJJ as teammates as well, which allows Llama to be sort of "off the hook" when JJJ turns up Civ.

Well, we don't know that, really. It's heavily inferred though.

Right Quin?

uhhh... i think so.

Long Con wrote: I know that NOW!

Which is it? Do you know it NOW, or do you wish you had remembered it? [/quote]

This is just arguing semantics.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:In my opinion, there's a lot of civ on civ squabbling going on up in here, and a lot of baddie coasting and laughing. Also, a lot of Llama going to bed.

As I said when he first said this: That opinion makes me feel suspicious, because I do not understand how a Civ could formulate it. In the parlance of our times: how the f*ck would you think that?

IF it's true that the main arguments are Civ on Civ, then there are four players who know that for sure, and correctly identifying such a thing could be a way to get that baddie some buddying-style Civ cred. As in, each Civ in this big Civ on Civ conflict can think "I'm a Civ, so Llama is at least reading me right and trying to steer this game in the right direction!"

thellama73 wrote:I also agree with the players saying that DDL sounds civ. He sounds civ to me too, particularly his post about game mechanics.

Straight-up defense of a baddie. Note that Llama doesn't just say "I think he's civ and here's why", he's puts it out there as an agreement with other opinions. It's not coming from Llama, it's coming from "the players" he's agreeing with.

Seems to me you're trying to argue two incompatible things at the same time. If llama's game plan was to get on the civilian squabblers' good side, his post stating his agreement with other people regarding DDL would be antithetical to that strategy, wouldn't it?

Nevertheless, I believe llama should be more specific about his view at the time that DDL sounded good. Which of his six living posts gave you that impression, llama?

Can you explain this? I don't see why this is incompatible.

thellama73 voted without answering my questions. I take it he is silenced.