Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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We discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
Anyone who has played with me on a team knows the last thing on my mind is bussing, ever. I've played hundreds of games probably over 10+ years and maybe 60-70% have been as mafia and in those games my priority is always my team, not myself.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm You are incredibly dismissive in this game DH. You hear something you don’t like and you just discredit discredit discredit.
Answer the question straight. Are you telling me you wouldn’t use the captain mechanics to increase your own cred? You’d prefer to protect (in your words) a “v suspicious” teammate than to send them out and, if they get lynched, use the line you’re using today?
I said the first time I don’t think this makes you bad. I think it’s NAI. But if you push this as being alignment indicative, that bothers me. There’s absolutely no way people should overrate how townie that move is.
Did Glorfindel prefer to be sent to the lynch poll rather than choosing someone else? A good townie would have refused because it's counter productive to actually lynching scumGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pmWe discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
Bizarro have follow up question for Captain Golden. Captain Golden think good idea that crew want put Town Glorf on lynch poll. Ask Self: Why do?Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pmWe discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pmWe discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
the whole game is about meeeeGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:43 pm Why do. How about “because the fucking point of asking to be captain was to protect a group of people I believe to be townies”
This whole game has been nothing but attempts to tear down my influence. It’s a threat to the mafia that I am protecting my crew. It forces you to nightkill instead of mislynch. If people can’t see that this is exactly what a town captain should be doing why’re blind.
You know what a town thing is to do to someone on your crew you think is bad? Fire them. “Putting them on the poll” is meaningless when you could fire them and they’d be on the poll all the time. It’s an illusory way to look good. If I ever think someone on my crew is bad they’re getting fired.
He did on day one. To be fair on day two he was more nervous he’d get lynched.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pmDid Glorfindel prefer to be sent to the lynch poll rather than choosing someone else? A good townie would have refused because it's counter productive to actually lynching scumGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pmWe discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
I feel good that none of my case against you was this.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pm You know it's really annoying to see people calling me "fucking terrible" and "inconsistency and contradictory".
Yes my playstyle is loose and crazy. I change my votes all the time. I do things for personal reasons and don't bother to explain them. I post whatever random thoughts come to my mind without worrying if that's consistent with my previous posts or whatever. I don't care, I like to be free to do whatever I feel like, specially because I'm a way more controlled person irl and here is where I get to be random.
You wanna point out that I'm being scummy, fine. Look at my posts and find for things that look like lies, or fabricated, or artificial, or buddying, or bussing, or things that are, you know, actually related to a guy who got a baddie role card and must pretend he's a civ. But don't say I'm bad because I'm being random. I am random.
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See, Enrique gets it lolEnrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:46 pmthe whole game is about meeeeGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:43 pm Why do. How about “because the fucking point of asking to be captain was to protect a group of people I believe to be townies”
This whole game has been nothing but attempts to tear down my influence. It’s a threat to the mafia that I am protecting my crew. It forces you to nightkill instead of mislynch. If people can’t see that this is exactly what a town captain should be doing why’re blind.
You know what a town thing is to do to someone on your crew you think is bad? Fire them. “Putting them on the poll” is meaningless when you could fire them and they’d be on the poll all the time. It’s an illusory way to look good. If I ever think someone on my crew is bad they’re getting fired.
Your case against me is quoting me every time I do something that looks illogical or crazy and replying with a caps lock or a gif screaming that I'm bed.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:47 pmI feel good that none of my case against you was this.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pm You know it's really annoying to see people calling me "fucking terrible" and "inconsistency and contradictory".
Yes my playstyle is loose and crazy. I change my votes all the time. I do things for personal reasons and don't bother to explain them. I post whatever random thoughts come to my mind without worrying if that's consistent with my previous posts or whatever. I don't care, I like to be free to do whatever I feel like, specially because I'm a way more controlled person irl and here is where I get to be random.
You wanna point out that I'm being scummy, fine. Look at my posts and find for things that look like lies, or fabricated, or artificial, or buddying, or bussing, or things that are, you know, actually related to a guy who got a baddie role card and must pretend he's a civ. But don't say I'm bad because I'm being random. I am random.
/rant
Good lord dude, english.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:43 pm All Gold Crew think civ? No think one mafia on crew? Rather let Town Glorf maybe lynch? Why do?
To be fair, Golden bullied him into it.
But in bed with whooom!?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:48 pmYour case against me is quoting me every time I do something that looks illogical or crazy and replying with a caps lock or a gif screaming that I'm bed.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:47 pmI feel good that none of my case against you was this.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pm You know it's really annoying to see people calling me "fucking terrible" and "inconsistency and contradictory".
Yes my playstyle is loose and crazy. I change my votes all the time. I do things for personal reasons and don't bother to explain them. I post whatever random thoughts come to my mind without worrying if that's consistent with my previous posts or whatever. I don't care, I like to be free to do whatever I feel like, specially because I'm a way more controlled person irl and here is where I get to be random.
You wanna point out that I'm being scummy, fine. Look at my posts and find for things that look like lies, or fabricated, or artificial, or buddying, or bussing, or things that are, you know, actually related to a guy who got a baddie role card and must pretend he's a civ. But don't say I'm bad because I'm being random. I am random.
/rant
Nobody is lynching Glorf. Glorf is utter and completely unlynchable. Golden put in the poll so nobody else goes there.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pmDid Glorfindel prefer to be sent to the lynch poll rather than choosing someone else? A good townie would have refused because it's counter productive to actually lynching scumGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pmWe discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
Godanmmit.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:52 pmBut in bed with whooom!?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:48 pmYour case against me is quoting me every time I do something that looks illogical or crazy and replying with a caps lock or a gif screaming that I'm bed.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:47 pmI feel good that none of my case against you was this.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pm You know it's really annoying to see people calling me "fucking terrible" and "inconsistency and contradictory".
Yes my playstyle is loose and crazy. I change my votes all the time. I do things for personal reasons and don't bother to explain them. I post whatever random thoughts come to my mind without worrying if that's consistent with my previous posts or whatever. I don't care, I like to be free to do whatever I feel like, specially because I'm a way more controlled person irl and here is where I get to be random.
You wanna point out that I'm being scummy, fine. Look at my posts and find for things that look like lies, or fabricated, or artificial, or buddying, or bussing, or things that are, you know, actually related to a guy who got a baddie role card and must pretend he's a civ. But don't say I'm bad because I'm being random. I am random.
/rant
To be fair this is a fair way to look at civ Golden.Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:48 pmSee, Enrique gets it lolEnrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:46 pmthe whole game is about meeeeGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:43 pm Why do. How about “because the fucking point of asking to be captain was to protect a group of people I believe to be townies”
This whole game has been nothing but attempts to tear down my influence. It’s a threat to the mafia that I am protecting my crew. It forces you to nightkill instead of mislynch. If people can’t see that this is exactly what a town captain should be doing why’re blind.
You know what a town thing is to do to someone on your crew you think is bad? Fire them. “Putting them on the poll” is meaningless when you could fire them and they’d be on the poll all the time. It’s an illusory way to look good. If I ever think someone on my crew is bad they’re getting fired.
I get that, but if I were Glorf and knew I was an unlynchable townie, I would have preferred someone else besides me be sent to the poll. It forces the other players to examine that person's ISO if they are a lynch option, and we may find something we missed.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:52 pmNobody is lynching Glorf. Glorf is utter and completely unlynchable. Golden put in the poll so nobody else goes there.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pmDid Glorfindel prefer to be sent to the lynch poll rather than choosing someone else? A good townie would have refused because it's counter productive to actually lynching scumGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pmWe discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
We can look at people who are not lynch options.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:55 pm I get that, but if I were Glorf and knew I was an unlynchable townie, I would have preferred someone else besides me be sent to the poll. It forces the other players to examine that person's ISO if they are a lynch option, and we may find something we missed.
You can, but most don't.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:56 pmWe can look at people who are not lynch options.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:55 pm I get that, but if I were Glorf and knew I was an unlynchable townie, I would have preferred someone else besides me be sent to the poll. It forces the other players to examine that person's ISO if they are a lynch option, and we may find something we missed.
Sure. I'm not blaming Glorf for that, though. I don't even know who is on the poll right now. I've been looking at Nutella, Nova, DDL, DH...Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:57 pmYou can, but most don't.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:56 pmWe can look at people who are not lynch options.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:55 pm I get that, but if I were Glorf and knew I was an unlynchable townie, I would have preferred someone else besides me be sent to the poll. It forces the other players to examine that person's ISO if they are a lynch option, and we may find something we missed.
If a captain is mafia and keeps placing a confirmed civvie in the poll while keeping his crew at peace if not complicit is an automatic win. Not an accusation yet but maybe don't do this with Glorfindel again.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:51 pmGood lord dude, english.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:43 pm All Gold Crew think civ? No think one mafia on crew? Rather let Town Glorf maybe lynch? Why do?
I had this entire discussion with Golden. I am of the opinion that the ENTIRE FREAKING CAPTAIN mechanic is a hindrance to town.
But, as of now, most of us in the crew have townreads on the others in the crew. If that changes, firings and mutinies are in order. There are workarounds, and those workarounds will delay the lynching of said scummer by a day, if at all.
Which would happen anyway unless Golden psychically predicted the crazy lynch coming our way out of nowhere and put that person on the poll.
Since the protected people are chosen each night, and don'tr even go through... the only thing Golden is protecting the crew against is random CFD lynches. And that's not so bad.
I didn't have anyone specific I wanted on the poll, and when asked, I deferred. If that's a problem, make your case. If the thread is all about that case, either that person will be on the poll tomorrow, or Golden will no longer be captain.
And Glorf isn't getting lynched.
Are...are you and Golden scum buddies?Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:59 pmIf a captain is mafia and keeps placing a confirmed civvie in the poll while keeping his crew at peace if not complicit is an automatic win. Not an accusation yet but maybe don't do this with Glorfindel again.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:51 pmGood lord dude, english.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:43 pm All Gold Crew think civ? No think one mafia on crew? Rather let Town Glorf maybe lynch? Why do?
I had this entire discussion with Golden. I am of the opinion that the ENTIRE FREAKING CAPTAIN mechanic is a hindrance to town.
But, as of now, most of us in the crew have townreads on the others in the crew. If that changes, firings and mutinies are in order. There are workarounds, and those workarounds will delay the lynching of said scummer by a day, if at all.
Which would happen anyway unless Golden psychically predicted the crazy lynch coming our way out of nowhere and put that person on the poll.
Since the protected people are chosen each night, and don'tr even go through... the only thing Golden is protecting the crew against is random CFD lynches. And that's not so bad.
I didn't have anyone specific I wanted on the poll, and when asked, I deferred. If that's a problem, make your case. If the thread is all about that case, either that person will be on the poll tomorrow, or Golden will no longer be captain.
And Glorf isn't getting lynched.
What I heard:
I’m sorry but I don’t understand this remark at all. Yes, Golden suggested that I would be an appropriate choice for the poll seconds before I was going to post to suggest the very same thing. What conclusions can be drawn from this?Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:55 pmI get that, but if I were Glorf and knew I was an unlynchable townie, I would have preferred someone else besides me be sent to the poll. It forces the other players to examine that person's ISO if they are a lynch option, and we may find something we missed.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:52 pmNobody is lynching Glorf. Glorf is utter and completely unlynchable. Golden put in the poll so nobody else goes there.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:41 pmDid Glorfindel prefer to be sent to the lynch poll rather than choosing someone else? A good townie would have refused because it's counter productive to actually lynching scumGolden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pmWe discussed this as a group you fool.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:38 pm Me am big smart mans. Golden crew me have ask you? Golden put Town-Glorf on lynch poll. Ask self: Why do?
You poor thingSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:31 pm effective immediately Mac will be replacing Lapluie
Also I have a migraine and want to throw up. Please bear with me.
I hope you’re feeling much better soon 
Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:00 pmI swear Nova is going to golden his way to a mafia win at this rate. All of his behaviour matches with exactly what I would be doing if bad; his manipulation, his bussing techniques. I see his mind so clearly. It's frustrating to me that I can't get others to see it! People come out going 'he looks so good' and I'm thinking 'this is exactly how I get you guys when bad'.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:48 pmIt could be, but why go the distance to distance when there’s almost nothing from Sokoth? Why not seize onto one of yesterday’s major cases? Nova looks very genuine to me so if he is bad then kudos.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:08 pm Nova was on sokoth early, and sokoth was not one of the leading wagons. When sokoth took the lead, nova tried to divert others to seeing Luna as bad while not being willing to swing that way himself.
This has all the hallmarks of distancing becoming bussing to me. It’s like something I would do.
Going distance to distance is an effective technique, because it looks town. He did go distance to distance, but he also encouraged people to see luna as bad when push came to shove in the last 15 minutes of the phase... and then only said he was never going to flip to luna himself once the poll closed. I was actually refreshing that poll every 20 seconds or so to see if he was going to do a last second flip that noone could react to, the way he broke the tie on day zero.
Anyway, I know this is me flogging something that can't even have anything done about it today... so on to a post about inh.
I’m not sure that I’ve commented on this but after reading this comment yesterday, I went and ISO’d Enrique and maybe I’m just bad at this game but I couldn’t see this. I think Enrique expressed quite a few opinions of different players and I don’t know that I’d call them ‘empty’ (no, they weren’t great long litanies of cases against other players but he’s already said that he is struggling to balance his time here with us with his real life commitments). Further, I think his response here this morning has been really positive. I don’t think I can see any reason to vote him today based on what I’ve seen so far.Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:04 amI would be okay with an Enrique lynch today. I see nothing by empty opinions in his ISO. This being a prime example.Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:19 pm I feel like a lot of the ongoing discussions are dead-ends. GTH I don't think DDL is bad, he's just being really clumsy lol. Mac is laying pretty low, but we did just start and I don't think his activity so far is indicative of alignment. Glorfindel is all over sig for what looks like nothing to me but... I remember Glorf's first game, and I believe the talk about his meta. sig has been fine.
Got a funny feeling about speedchuck but he hasn't been around a lot and I don't want to contribute to a possible pile-up. Leaving a placeholder vote on Colin for now for no good reason.
Get better soon, Daisy.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:31 pm effective immediately Mac will be replacing Lapluie
Also I have a migraine and want to throw up. Please bear with me.
I've gotten this far in my reading.SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.
I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
O wow u rite. Dat stink. [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergineEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:36 pmI've gotten this far in my reading.SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.
I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
I'm moving my vote to DrWilgy.
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:11 pmO wow u rite. Dat stink. [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergineEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:36 pmI've gotten this far in my reading.SokothQultuq wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.
I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
I'm moving my vote to DrWilgy.
I'm in the golden's-full-of-crap camp re: glorf on the poll. Like unless you seriously believe your whole crew is town at the same level of confidence you trust glorf, it's the wrong choice for the town. And thinking about it speed is probably right that the whole crew mechanic can be bad for the town if we don't think really carefully about strategy and motives. My thoughts on this are complicated so I'll try to say more later.
