The Syndicate

Okay so lots of people checking in, including Leetic and Sabie but here I am still all alone.

The main that I am not sure of you, [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], is that you've been the most vocal user in the thread, and while I appreciate the effort, I'm not sure that you're leading it in the right direction. You lead the Eloh and bob mislynches and was also a key part of the rey mislynch, and I happen to know that the lynch you seem to be gravitating to is also a mislynch. You did vote Luna in the first day, but as two of the three wagons are confirmed scum, it could be seen as scum losing a person either way, and thus that vote earns no town credit. The D2 Speedchuck vote is the reason I'm hesitant to suspect you, but it was nutella's vote (and later mine) that secured the wagon, and I can definitely see a scenario where the last two scum bus each other so that one of the scum can hopefully be preserved.

I'm not entirely sold on this case, though, and I would like to check sabie again. Tell me, is there any reason to actually read her as town (and not vague crap like "not necessarily indicative of a scum alignment")?

I'm at work all day so unable to post much. Idk what direction to go in anymore. I've been saying I thought it was leetic but then the lynch was going either bob or me
And I know it's not me so I went with Bob. Audrey has basically done nothing so I have no idea how to read her. Jack has made some good points but now that Bob has flipped town idk. It seems like jack and Bob have been at odds the whole game. Could they both be town and just wrongly accused each other? Definitley possible because that has happened but still is something to consider. Leetic has seemed sketchy to me for awhile. So alas stuck in another position of being at the end but not being sure which direction to turn.

Another thing of note is that nutella was relatively consistently accusing jack and she was killed off. Just something to consider.

But she also mentioned being suspicious of leetic right before she was killed off too.

[mention]leetic[/mention]

Okay, but I didn’t go after Speed after Luna’s flip. He was my top suspect for most of D1 and then the Luna flip made him look worse. You want to make the case I decided to bus my whole scumteam D1 as soon as they started posting? Have at it. Imo, you’re better off nking me and hoping Audrey doesn’t show up.

If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

[mention]sabie12[/mention]

I’d suggest isoing the remaining players tomorrow and look for posts that come from wolves and posts that never come from wolves.

I’ll talk to you about Bob tomorrow if we both make it. Just cause I don’t want to encourage a shot on me that’s probably happening anyway. Feel free to suspect me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:41 pm Lol Nova. Why is your name in lavender?

I'm a mod now

It's for Speedchuck's 1 post Mafia to allow editing.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

I guess that’s fair from a townyou perspective. It’s all wolfyou needs for a coin flip if I’m dead and Audrey doesn’t show up.

If i live, should this not being convincing be convincing?



Whoever the wolf is has played a really good game. As much as I think it’s you, I was a lot more comfortable with my cases on Bob and Eloh.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

So the fact that I also voted speed multiple times isn't something going for me. Just because I don't post as much does not make me bad. I just don't always have a lot of time to put together long posts.

This got away from me. I apologize.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:59 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

So the fact that I also voted speed multiple times isn't something going for me. Just because I don't post as much does not make me bad. I just don't always have a lot of time to put together long posts.

Yeah, two barely committal speed votes at times when it was clear he's going down don't work too much in your favor. Especially as we already know scum was bussing D1 (speed was on the Luna wagon).

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

You have done well to make it this far in spite of your teammates dying early on. But now, it all ends.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:48 pm YOU SAVAGES

[mention]sabie12[/mention]

Please do your best to tell me why you're town and (assuming he is your vote) why Leetic is not. If you need anything from me, let me know.

I'm gonna be at work all day but it is not me. I voted speed in the beginning and the eloh vote was due to her looking kinda sketchy for staying out of that speed lynch. Rey and Bob I wasnt sure about but due to being busy I followed the cases made on them but did not lead cases on them. I've never had teammates its never been me and it still isn't. If I were bad it would be easy for me to just lead a lynch on someone else. I really don't know which one of you is bad. I've been leetic for awhile and him trying so hard to make a case against me makes it seem like hes been planning on me being the last mislynch led by him. I'm am easy target to go after.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:40 am I'm gonna be at work all day but it is not me. I voted speed in the beginning and the eloh vote was due to her looking kinda sketchy for staying out of that speed lynch. Rey and Bob I wasnt sure about but due to being busy I followed the cases made on them but did not lead cases on them. I've never had teammates its never been me and it still isn't. If I were bad it would be easy for me to just lead a lynch on someone else. I really don't know which one of you is bad. I've been leetic for awhile and him trying so hard to make a case against me makes it seem like hes been planning on me being the last mislynch led by him. I'm am easy target to go after.

Can you talk about this?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:40 am I'm gonna be at work all day but it is not me. I voted speed in the beginning and the eloh vote was due to her looking kinda sketchy for staying out of that speed lynch. Rey and Bob I wasnt sure about but due to being busy I followed the cases made on them but did not lead cases on them. I've never had teammates its never been me and it still isn't. If I were bad it would be easy for me to just lead a lynch on someone else. I really don't know which one of you is bad. I've been leetic for awhile and him trying so hard to make a case against me makes it seem like hes been planning on me being the last mislynch led by him. I'm am easy target to go after.

Well, if it's not you, it must be Jack, so can you explain why you are townie than Jack? Another thing to keep in mind is that we all voted speedchuck - simply voting scum is no longer enough.

The question then becomes which of you would be more likely to pull off a gambit like that. Doing a cursory look into the backgrounds of both players, Jack seems to be very experienced and is apparently in the MU championships - he seems the more likely candidate.

In order to have made it this far, scum had to have a strategy. That's my biggest problem right now with seeing sabie as scum. If she had a strategy, it would be just lying low and hoping the thread doesn't turn to much against her - hardly an effective scum strategy. Plus, she mentioned being particularly busy during the later day phases, while scum had to have been someone who was paying close attention to the dynamics of the thread in order to make the moves they did.

You know what? [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine. Game solved.

Day one was terrible for scum, so Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good. JJJ kill was obvious no matter who was scum, but it works for Jack as JJJ was Jack's biggest accuser (he hadn't been accusing speedchuck as much during N1). Jack's next goal was to take control of the thread so that he could target people to be lynched. Nutella had to be killed because she was a vocal user who threatened his control over the thread. I was vocal too, but as I hadn't voiced strong suspicion on Jack since D1 and multiple users voiced suspicion on me, he could leave me around long enough to use me and then throw me out on an easy mislynch. Nova and Audrey were obvious kills, he even pointed out how they were on nobody's POE lists. All the while he's been subtly pushing the narrative that he is town, I believe another user pointed this out on one of his "off topic" posts but there was also him expressing fear of being nightkilled, despite likely knowing full well Audrey was the optimal target. Overall, this LyLo seems like too comfortable a position for Jack.

Jack, you played well. Reminds me of my scum play in Paragon. But like in that game, by -yLo it's just easy to tell what you've been doing. [mention]sabie12[/mention] help me secure this.

A gambit like what?

At this point, I’ve looked at so much crap and relooked at it and looked at other people’s opinions on it, idk what to look at next.

Data said it was Eloh, Bob, Rey. Heart said it was Eloh, Bob. Data says it’s Leet now. Heart says it’s Leet now. But really both say we’re all town and that can’t be true. I mean, I’m down to the two slots I’ve been defending all game and by defending one of you, I’ve saved the town and by defending the other, I’ve screwed two townies. It’s just little cracks that could still belong to a townie and a crack-less but much smaller surface that could belong to a wolf. And I’ve never seen either of you wolf.

I see interactions with Luna/Sabie that look like they aren’t w/w. But Luna completely switched up at least one aspect of how she treated her partners this game.

Leetic’s the one pushing both Sabie scum and Jack scum and that sets off warning bells. But Sabie says she doesn’t know who it is. And I don’t know who it is. So that’s not a fair case, even if I mostly believe it in my gut.

Does Leet shoot Audrey? She was going to vote for him if she voted at all. With her, it’s a coinflip or a loss. Without her, it’s a win or a loss. And he’s not pushing hard enough on either Sabie or me to turn it into a win. As a townie, he just doesn’t know.

Does Sabie shoot Audrey? If Audrey doesn’t show up, coin flip. If she does, win. Does Sabie go for the double coinflip play? If she shoots Audrey, though, there’s a really good chance Jack votes Leet. That’s better than the coin flips. Even if I could lock this in as a scum Sabie indicative kill, there’s still “wifom” as an answer.



I guess I’ll iso Speed, Sabie and maybe Leet post D1 again. Better than posting big paragraphs of feelings and then going “eh wifom.”

Lol or I could just “no you” vote Leet and get back to work.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:53 pm Day one was terrible for scum, so Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good. JJJ kill was obvious no matter who was scum, but it works for Jack as JJJ was Jack's biggest accuser (he hadn't been accusing speedchuck as much during N1). Jack's next goal was to take control of the thread so that he could target people to be lynched. Nutella had to be killed because she was a vocal user who threatened his control over the thread. I was vocal too, but as I hadn't voiced strong suspicion on Jack since D1 and multiple users voiced suspicion on me, he could leave me around long enough to use me and then throw me out on an easy mislynch. Nova and Audrey were obvious kills, he even pointed out how they were on nobody's POE lists. All the while he's been subtly pushing the narrative that he is town, I believe another user pointed this out on one of his "off topic" posts but there was also him expressing fear of being nightkilled, despite likely knowing full well Audrey was the optimal target. Overall, this LyLo seems like too comfortable a position for Jack.

Jack, you played well. Reminds me of my scum play in Paragon. But like in that game, by -yLo it's just easy to tell what you've been doing. sabie12 help me secure this.

Thanks for outting.

Part of your problem is that you make the case that a player with a strategy must be scum so ergo it’s Jack but that works for it being Leetic, too. You’ve spent all game pushing Sabie but you have no case on her. That wasn’t going to fly with me. Sabie started doubting me. You switched your read. It’s not in response to anything townie Sabie did or anything scummy I did. It’s “spontaneous.” Out of nowhere. Based on thread momentum, not your suspicions. You aren’t trying to hunt. You’re trying to convince.

You say that Speed and I decided to bus each other D2 after Luna was lynched but this literally didn’t happen. Here’s what I have to say about Speed D1.

He’s scum for buddying Jay and for a fake looking Nutella push.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

Welcome to my town and scum meta for early game. One upon a time, a guy named Rokk Krinn told me that my meta was to act like I was messing around and then suddenly the trap swings shut and I lynch the mafia or setup a key mislynch. You never see it coming.

Now, I think that was a bit generous of him but it's true that I tend to joke around early and turn serious later, when I have a better feel for things.

Anyway.

Townread - Jay for the effort.

Scumread - Speed for buddying Jay and the bleh push on Nutella.

It's like 5 posts into D1. I'm me. I don't have 2 townreads and 2 scumreads yet.

Speed and Luna are both scum for Luna’s interaction with Speed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.

Oh right, this stuff.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.

How so and why me?

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:39 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?

This is bad.

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)

I wanted Speed dead regardless of Luna’s alignment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Beats me. I don't care much for motivations behind these kind of reactions 'cause everyone wants to live civvies and baddies alike, and people reacts in different ways. The tone is relevant though, and I'm not getting genuine vibes from her at the moment tbh. Might be tainted by her other stuff.

Are you unable to reconcile her reaction to the votes with a baddie?

Far from it. I’m trying to read Speed based on her reaction.

Maybe she’s just cracking under pressure.

Maybe she figures a lynch on her while distancing from wolfSpeed is better than a lynch on wolf Speed with her on the list of teammates.

I’m probably voting Speed tomorrow regardless of Luna’s flip.

I deny Jay’s townread on Speedchuck and encourage him to scumread Speed with me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:40 pmI don't believe this but I believe you believe this.

What precisely drives your belief in my belief?

The time investment. It's not much of a joke if you don't actually believe it.

wot wood u say m8 if I told you 'at moi only real ping of the game so far 'as come from speedchuck?

I would say your accent is horrendous. Is it because Speedchuck's accent is worse? Or the Nutella push? I think it's the Nutella push.

Vote Speed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:49 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck[/v]] aubergine

[VOTE:


Case Speed for buddying.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:28 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:56 pm[VOTE: Hullo guys] aubergine

[VOTE:

speedchuck entry posts in his last six games:] aubergine

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 am [VOTE: Wondering how elaborate I can make this award reveal.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Socky Awards, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 pm [VOTE: I will do my best.] aubergine

[VOTE:

2018 GOC, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:50 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am [VOTE: Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I think that just happens with non changeable votes? IDK.

Also hi.] aubergine

[VOTE:

World Asunder, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:11 am [VOTE: I'm never bad. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

SPACE FORCE, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:26 pm [VOTE: This looks freaking amazing.

Hello my fellow slytherins.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hogwarts, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck for president of the flames] aubergine

[VOTE:

Outpost 31, Civilian] aubergine

[VOTE:


Two of them featuring a greeting ("hi" or "hello"). The mafia version of the greeting is inserted by force; the civilian version is smoov like buttah. His Shockheaded Peter greeting is relatively smoov like relative buttah.

Clear, obvious civilian.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hot damn.] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck @Sloonei] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck Sloonei] aubergine

[VOTE:
Y tho] aubergine

[VOTE:

Town JJJ is supah hot fire. Or, at least he can be.

As scum, he can only fake that intensity and proactivity.

Examples: Phenon: Origins. JJJ was pretty chill in that game and only made it through the last day due to town complacency and his emotional pleas, not because of firey town hunting.
Mountain Mafia also had a scum JJJ in it. His arguments, through D3, fell flat. The usual effort wasn't there, and it was more about half-hearted bussing and opportunistic arguments than genuine 'stirring the pot'.

If JJJ keeps up his current attitude, and keeps people on their toes, I'm comfortable labeling him town. It is still pending, though. Give him a few days.] aubergine

[VOTE:

This isn’t buddying?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Encouraging a Speed lynch to be followed by a Luna lynch.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:41 pm [VOTE: What this is all telling me is that we should lynch speedchuck.

] aubergine

[VOTE:

Luna defense too. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

Accuse Speed of lolcatting.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:49 pm [VOTE: Nova seems to know what he's doing, I'll join him on his vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is what serious business mafia players like me call “lolcatting.” ] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:23 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck is choosing to make jokes instead of defend himself or push another train or find scum.

One time I lolcated in an hcrealms game (a poor stall tactic until my teammate could come online and hammer) and somebody took my gifs to be a claim (of a character who had already died) and removed their vote from me. Won undeservingly.] aubergine

[VOTE:

All about lynching Speed and Luna too if he’s scum.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:45 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Unchanged. There are multiple decent reasons to scumread him and no reasons to townread him. Sloonei, Luna or both are likely his teammates.

I always want to post the scene from Stardust where Septimus goes “Has excessive begging or pleading ever persuaded me to spare the life of a traitor?” when I see ATE but sometimes it does move me. This one doesn’t. If I’m wrong, I sympathize because I know what it’s like for Jay to tunnel me and I know I can be an rear end when I’m convinced of a scum read. But the answer is to dust himself off and show us he’s town and he didn’t. Likely because he’s not.] aubergine

[VOTE:


Argues against Luna being scum and Speed being town, even though both Bob and Nova thought this.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

[VOTE: Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?] aubergine

[VOTE:
Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Oh right, this stuff.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm [VOTE: voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.] aubergine

[VOTE:

How so and why me?] aubergine

[VOTE:

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm [VOTE: @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

[VOTE: I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.] aubergine

[VOTE:

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"] aubergine

[VOTE:

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is bad.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)] aubergine

[VOTE:

I'm leaning towards the latter. I see her softly positioning to reap from a lynch, rather than trying to sway it. Baddie Luna, in my experience, would act ignorant about the accusations against teammates yet intrigued and understanding of them, so that she can eventually jump in if it concretize.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Then why does she come in and go nuts and make herself look bad?] aubergine

[VOTE:


This is all on Day 1. So no, it’s not “Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good.”

The player who didn’t suspect Speed on D1 but did on D2 would be...you.

Speed is a townlean] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm [VOTE: Alright, so I'm gonna look at everyone's ISOs and try to make some reads. Now, they may not be very good reads, as nothing major has happened yet, I'm not very familiar with most of you, and most of the posts seem to be a bit jokey, plus I am still not used to this level of activity, as this thread already has more posts than many games on Bulbagarden get in their lifespan! Still, I figured I should be doing something, so let's see how this goes.

AudreyTheTattleTail - Doesn't seem to have done anything yet, so complete null. If a wagon started forming around her, I'd say a town lean, but since nobody has really said anything opinionated about her, it's as null as you can go.

colonialbob - Slight scumlean. Seems to be following along with what other people are saying, then there is him looking a bit much into a minor mistake by JJJ. Still, nothing too major.

Elohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

JaggedJimmyJay - Town lean. Wanting there to be a lot of activity is certainly an admirable goal, as I find that an inactive town always benefits scum, plus has already started attempts at scumhunting. As a side note, the only player of the bunch I am really familiar with.

leetic - Definitely an independent serial killer, should lynch asap What do you think

Lunalee - Townlean I guess, her ideas to not read people too much based on early posts seems reasonable. Seems to have disappeared after page 1, though.

novaselinever - Scumlean. Seems a bit defensive compared to previous users on the list. Still though, nothing too major.

nutella - Seems even more defensive than Nova, so scumlean for me.

reywaS - Null, most posts have been jokey. Nothing really to suggest a scumlean, though.

sabie12 - A bit townlean, seems reasonable enough. Again, the low amount of game related activity from this person prevents me from saying anything too conclusive.

Sloonei - Null, doesn't seem to have posted anything relevant at all.

speedchuck - The pushing of nutella makes him a townlean to me.

Alright, so looking through this list, it seems nutella is my biggest scumlean, so VOTE: nutella to see their reactions.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Strongest townleans include Speedchuck] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:15 pm [VOTE: For two of each, these are my strongest leans currently:

Civ: JJJ and Speedchuck
Scum: Nutella and nova] aubergine

[VOTE:


As soon as Luna flips, now you suspect Speedchuck.] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm [VOTE: tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie] aubergine

[VOTE:


Jay was my biggest accuser. But he was also tryhard and lock town and imo, the best damn townie on the site. He outposted both of us and he died on N1. It’s D6.

Jay also tends to always suspect me. I used to brag that I never got lynched and put an * at the end. *Except by JaggedJimmyJay. I’ve been killed by townies as a townie twice on the Syndicate. Jay daykilked me in Phenon and lead a mislynch on me in Assassination Classroom. He was town in both games. You really can’t put stock in Jay’s day 1 Jack reads. They're always scumreads.

You say Nutella had to be killed for thread control but that applies to you as well. You were also very aware that Nutella was a dangerous player and a good killshot while I had Nova as my top town. Nutella followed my Eloh case D3 before she died. She was accusing you and Sabie. She clearly townread me. So who was she a threat to? You.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:04 am [VOTE: Leetic is softly pushing the narrative that speed is bad and jack is town, despite having voted for jack when he backed off of luna (choosing between two teammates to appear like he "didn't care if jack was lynched" as he said of luna? idk maybe I'm stretching this) and I think there was something else. Also there was something more to the speed/rey part of my speculation but I forget, other than that jack and speed are fairly anti-aligned and I think one of them is bad and I think rey looks pretty sketchy and also seemed anti-aligned with jack for some reason?] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:34 pm [VOTE: Can change my vote now. [VOTE: elohcin] aubergine] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:14 pm [VOTE: I have pretty strong reason to think everyone remaining is town except Audrey and Rey.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Audrey wasn't online during the night phase. Do you think Epi would have randomized the kill? I think she's fairly cleared.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:22 pm [VOTE: Nutella and Leet flat wouldn’t kill Sloonei. Nova is probably outside his wolf range and is likely antialigned with Speed. I had a good reason to townread Bob but I’m tired.

Rey had a reason to kill Sloonei. Audrey could have been forced to kill Sloonei.

If it’s not Audrey or Rey I’m pocketed and the wolf is screwing with us...after scum lynches on D1 and D2.] aubergine

[VOTE:

what about sabie?] aubergine

[VOTE:


Audrey was never voting for me. She was always voting for you or being absent. That’s all wifom anyway.


I did in fact say something in OT that implies I’m town (cause I am and that’s my perspective). But that’s the worst way for a wolf to hint that. OT is like “you may skip this green text because it is not about the game.” So I wasn’t subtly implying I’m town but saying not to actually read that post to be townread. What I was doing was having a side conversation.

What I am doing now is flat out saying I’m town because you just cased yourself.

Nutella was a threat to you. Audrey was a threat to you. You were the one that switched your read on Speedchuck from town D1 to scum D2 to bus him.

Additionally, you asked Luna a softball question and switched from voting her to voting her counterwagon D1 even though her answer sucked and now, in lylo, you aren’t actually looking for scum but rather throwing up a Hail Mary case that is probably untrue because I didn’t bite on your Sabie vote. You don’t care who gets lynched, as long as it isn’t you.

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine] aubergine

God, that took an hour.

case that is *provably* untrue

Oh, this is so rich. Time to tear this wallpost apart.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:57 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:53 pm Day one was terrible for scum, so Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good. JJJ kill was obvious no matter who was scum, but it works for Jack as JJJ was Jack's biggest accuser (he hadn't been accusing speedchuck as much during N1). Jack's next goal was to take control of the thread so that he could target people to be lynched. Nutella had to be killed because she was a vocal user who threatened his control over the thread. I was vocal too, but as I hadn't voiced strong suspicion on Jack since D1 and multiple users voiced suspicion on me, he could leave me around long enough to use me and then throw me out on an easy mislynch. Nova and Audrey were obvious kills, he even pointed out how they were on nobody's POE lists. All the while he's been subtly pushing the narrative that he is town, I believe another user pointed this out on one of his "off topic" posts but there was also him expressing fear of being nightkilled, despite likely knowing full well Audrey was the optimal target. Overall, this LyLo seems like too comfortable a position for Jack.

Jack, you played well. Reminds me of my scum play in Paragon. But like in that game, by -yLo it's just easy to tell what you've been doing. sabie12 help me secure this.

Thanks for outting.

Part of your problem is that you make the case that a player with a strategy must be scum so ergo it’s Jack but that works for it being Leetic, too. You’ve spent all game pushing Sabie but you have no case on her. That wasn’t going to fly with me. Sabie started doubting me. You switched your read. It’s not in response to anything townie Sabie did or anything scummy I did. It’s “spontaneous.” Out of nowhere. Based on thread momentum, not your suspicions. You aren’t trying to hunt. You’re trying to convince.

Well, you're welcome for me outing you.

First of all, I do not "have no case on [sabie]". I posted two ISOs of her, as well as a few other posts about it. You are ignoring the facts here. If you expect me to read this huge nonsense, then you should be able to read my ISOs. Secondly, my vote was switched because I felt, based on the history of the game, you fit the mold of the last scum more. It's not out of nowhere, I posted suspicions of you for the same reason the night before. Thirdly, maybe I'm not trying to hunt as much right now, but do I really need two? All of the information is now layed out, I just had to analyze and determine which of two people was more likely to be scum based on the history of the game, which I found to be you. And plus, it's still hunting - your reaction to this vote compared to sabie's says a lot.

You say that Speed and I decided to bus each other D2 after Luna was lynched but this literally didn’t happen. Here’s what I have to say about Speed D1.

He’s scum for buddying Jay and for a fake looking Nutella push.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

Welcome to my town and scum meta for early game. One upon a time, a guy named Rokk Krinn told me that my meta was to act like I was messing around and then suddenly the trap swings shut and I lynch the mafia or setup a key mislynch. You never see it coming.

Now, I think that was a bit generous of him but it's true that I tend to joke around early and turn serious later, when I have a better feel for things.

Anyway.

Townread - Jay for the effort.

Scumread - Speed for buddying Jay and the bleh push on Nutella.

It's like 5 posts into D1. I'm me. I don't have 2 townreads and 2 scumreads yet.

Speed and Luna are both scum for Luna’s interaction with Speed.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.

Oh right, this stuff.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.

How so and why me?

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:39 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?

This is bad.

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)

I wanted Speed dead regardless of Luna’s alignment.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

Beats me. I don't care much for motivations behind these kind of reactions 'cause everyone wants to live civvies and baddies alike, and people reacts in different ways. The tone is relevant though, and I'm not getting genuine vibes from her at the moment tbh. Might be tainted by her other stuff.

Are you unable to reconcile her reaction to the votes with a baddie?

Far from it. I’m trying to read Speed based on her reaction.

Maybe she’s just cracking under pressure.

Maybe she figures a lynch on her while distancing from wolfSpeed is better than a lynch on wolf Speed with her on the list of teammates.

I’m probably voting Speed tomorrow regardless of Luna’s flip.

I deny Jay’s townread on Speedchuck and encourage him to scumread Speed with me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:46 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:40 pmI don't believe this but I believe you believe this.

What precisely drives your belief in my belief?

The time investment. It's not much of a joke if you don't actually believe it.

wot wood u say m8 if I told you 'at moi only real ping of the game so far 'as come from speedchuck?

I would say your accent is horrendous. Is it because Speedchuck's accent is worse? Or the Nutella push? I think it's the Nutella push.

Vote Speed

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:49 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck[/v]] aubergine

[VOTE:


Case Speed for buddying.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:28 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:38 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:56 pm[VOTE: Hullo guys] aubergine

[VOTE:

speedchuck entry posts in his last six games:] aubergine

Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 am [VOTE: Wondering how elaborate I can make this award reveal.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Socky Awards, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:43 pm [VOTE: I will do my best.] aubergine

[VOTE:

2018 GOC, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:50 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am [VOTE: Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:

I think that just happens with non changeable votes? IDK.

Also hi.] aubergine

[VOTE:

World Asunder, Mafia] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:11 am [VOTE: I'm never bad. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

SPACE FORCE, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:26 pm [VOTE: This looks freaking amazing.

Hello my fellow slytherins.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hogwarts, Civilian] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:11 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck for president of the flames] aubergine

[VOTE:

Outpost 31, Civilian] aubergine

[VOTE:


Two of them featuring a greeting ("hi" or "hello"). The mafia version of the greeting is inserted by force; the civilian version is smoov like buttah. His Shockheaded Peter greeting is relatively smoov like relative buttah.

Clear, obvious civilian.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Hot damn.] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: @leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck @Sloonei] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:58 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:14 am [VOTE: leetic I've ne'er seen you before. I'd love to hear where you're from, and what you think your playstyle is like.

JJJ is pending town. Ask me why.

Aw heck Sloonei] aubergine

[VOTE:
Y tho] aubergine

[VOTE:

Town JJJ is supah hot fire. Or, at least he can be.

As scum, he can only fake that intensity and proactivity.

Examples: Phenon: Origins. JJJ was pretty chill in that game and only made it through the last day due to town complacency and his emotional pleas, not because of firey town hunting.
Mountain Mafia also had a scum JJJ in it. His arguments, through D3, fell flat. The usual effort wasn't there, and it was more about half-hearted bussing and opportunistic arguments than genuine 'stirring the pot'.

If JJJ keeps up his current attitude, and keeps people on their toes, I'm comfortable labeling him town. It is still pending, though. Give him a few days.] aubergine

[VOTE:

This isn’t buddying?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Encouraging a Speed lynch to be followed by a Luna lynch.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:41 pm [VOTE: What this is all telling me is that we should lynch speedchuck.

] aubergine

[VOTE:

Luna defense too. ] aubergine

[VOTE:

Accuse Speed of lolcatting.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:54 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:49 pm [VOTE: Nova seems to know what he's doing, I'll join him on his vote.] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is what serious business mafia players like me call “lolcatting.” ] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:23 pm [VOTE: Speedchuck is choosing to make jokes instead of defend himself or push another train or find scum.

One time I lolcated in an hcrealms game (a poor stall tactic until my teammate could come online and hammer) and somebody took my gifs to be a claim (of a character who had already died) and removed their vote from me. Won undeservingly.] aubergine

[VOTE:

All about lynching Speed and Luna too if he’s scum.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:45 pm [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Unchanged. There are multiple decent reasons to scumread him and no reasons to townread him. Sloonei, Luna or both are likely his teammates.

I always want to post the scene from Stardust where Septimus goes “Has excessive begging or pleading ever persuaded me to spare the life of a traitor?” when I see ATE but sometimes it does move me. This one doesn’t. If I’m wrong, I sympathize because I know what it’s like for Jay to tunnel me and I know I can be an rear end when I’m convinced of a scum read. But the answer is to dust himself off and show us he’s town and he didn’t. Likely because he’s not.] aubergine

[VOTE:


Argues against Luna being scum and Speed being town, even though both Bob and Nova thought this.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm
[VOTE: Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Oh right, this stuff.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

[VOTE: How so and why me?] aubergine

[VOTE:

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm [VOTE: @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?] aubergine

[VOTE:

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

[VOTE: "Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"] aubergine

[VOTE:

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?] aubergine

[VOTE:
This is bad.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)] aubergine

[VOTE:

I'm leaning towards the latter. I see her softly positioning to reap from a lynch, rather than trying to sway it. Baddie Luna, in my experience, would act ignorant about the accusations against teammates yet intrigued and understanding of them, so that she can eventually jump in if it concretize.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Then why does she come in and go nuts and make herself look bad?] aubergine

[VOTE:


This is all on Day 1. So no, it’s not “Jack and speedchuck decided all bets were off D2 so they bussed as hard as they could so that the remaining scum member would look good.] aubergine

[VOTE:

So, it was distancing. Doesn't invalidate my point. The thing is, I know that there was a complex bussing gambit going on from the get-go (remember, speedchuck bussed Lunalee). It's that you seem the kind of player who would do something like this, and sabie has a similar history (her suspicions weren't as strong though). I know that one of you or sabie has to be scum, and I believe it's more likely to be you.] aubergine

[VOTE: The player who didn’t suspect Speed on D1 but did on D2 would be...you.

Speed is a townlean] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:19 pm [VOTE: Alright, so I'm gonna look at everyone's ISOs and try to make some reads. Now, they may not be very good reads, as nothing major has happened yet, I'm not very familiar with most of you, and most of the posts seem to be a bit jokey, plus I am still not used to this level of activity, as this thread already has more posts than many games on Bulbagarden get in their lifespan! Still, I figured I should be doing something, so let's see how this goes.

AudreyTheTattleTail - Doesn't seem to have done anything yet, so complete null. If a wagon started forming around her, I'd say a town lean, but since nobody has really said anything opinionated about her, it's as null as you can go.

colonialbob - Slight scumlean. Seems to be following along with what other people are saying, then there is him looking a bit much into a minor mistake by JJJ. Still, nothing too major.

Elohcin - Mostly null, a bit of a town lean. He seems to be posting his thoughts a little and avoid minor drama. Still, hasn't done too much.

JackofHearts2005 - Posted a lot, but very little was game related. For that reason, slight scum lean.

JaggedJimmyJay - Town lean. Wanting there to be a lot of activity is certainly an admirable goal, as I find that an inactive town always benefits scum, plus has already started attempts at scumhunting. As a side note, the only player of the bunch I am really familiar with.

leetic - Definitely an independent serial killer, should lynch asap What do you think

Lunalee - Townlean I guess, her ideas to not read people too much based on early posts seems reasonable. Seems to have disappeared after page 1, though.

novaselinever - Scumlean. Seems a bit defensive compared to previous users on the list. Still though, nothing too major.

nutella - Seems even more defensive than Nova, so scumlean for me.

reywaS - Null, most posts have been jokey. Nothing really to suggest a scumlean, though.

sabie12 - A bit townlean, seems reasonable enough. Again, the low amount of game related activity from this person prevents me from saying anything too conclusive.

Sloonei - Null, doesn't seem to have posted anything relevant at all.

speedchuck - The pushing of nutella makes him a townlean to me.

Alright, so looking through this list, it seems nutella is my biggest scumlean, so VOTE: nutella to see their reactions.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Strongest townleans include Speedchuck] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:15 pm [VOTE: For two of each, these are my strongest leans currently:

Civ: JJJ and Speedchuck
Scum: Nutella and nova] aubergine

[VOTE:


As soon as Luna flips, now you suspect Speedchuck.] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm [VOTE: tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie] aubergine

[VOTE:

Those reads weren't really meant to be final, definitive reads in any way, which I even said in the post. I was unfamiliar with all but one of the players, and the reads were based on a cursory look on the players, so things that stood out more were what caused them. Once better evidence arrived, I was able to change my reads into better, more refined ones in light i=of new information. It's your staticity in your reads that has me concerned.] aubergine

[VOTE: Jay was my biggest accuser. But he was also tryhard and lock town and imo, the best damn townie on the site. He outposted both of us and he died on N1. It’s D6.

Jay also tends to always suspect me. I used to brag that I never got lynched and put an * at the end. *Except by JaggedJimmyJay. I’ve been killed by townies as a townie twice on the Syndicate. Jay daykilked me in Phenon and lead a mislynch on me in Assassination Classroom. He was town in both games. You really can’t put stock in Jay’s day 1 Jack reads. They're always scumreads.

You say Nutella had to be killed for thread control but that applies to you as well. You were also very aware that Nutella was a dangerous player and a good killshot while I had Nova as my top town. Nutella followed my Eloh case D3 before she died. She was accusing you and Sabie. She clearly townread me. So who was she a threat to? You.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:04 am [VOTE: Leetic is softly pushing the narrative that speed is bad and jack is town, despite having voted for jack when he backed off of luna (choosing between two teammates to appear like he "didn't care if jack was lynched" as he said of luna? idk maybe I'm stretching this) and I think there was something else. Also there was something more to the speed/rey part of my speculation but I forget, other than that jack and speed are fairly anti-aligned and I think one of them is bad and I think rey looks pretty sketchy and also seemed anti-aligned with jack for some reason?] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:34 pm [VOTE: Can change my vote now. [VOTE: elohcin] aubergine] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:15 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:14 pm [VOTE: I have pretty strong reason to think everyone remaining is town except Audrey and Rey.] aubergine

[VOTE:

Audrey wasn't online during the night phase. Do you think Epi would have randomized the kill? I think she's fairly cleared.] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:22 pm [VOTE: Nutella and Leet flat wouldn’t kill Sloonei. Nova is probably outside his wolf range and is likely antialigned with Speed. I had a good reason to townread Bob but I’m tired.

Rey had a reason to kill Sloonei. Audrey could have been forced to kill Sloonei.

If it’s not Audrey or Rey I’m pocketed and the wolf is screwing with us...after scum lynches on D1 and D2.] aubergine

[VOTE:

what about sabie?] aubergine

[VOTE:


Audrey was never voting for me. She was always voting for you or being absent. That’s all wifom anyway.


I did in fact say something in OT that implies I’m town (cause I am and that’s my perspective). But that’s the worst way for a wolf to hint that. OT is like “you may skip this green text because it is not about the game.” So I wasn’t subtly implying I’m town but saying not to actually read that post to be townread. What I was doing was having a side conversation.

What I am doing now is flat out saying I’m town because you just cased yourself.

Nutella was a threat to you. Audrey was a threat to you. You were the one that switched your read on Speedchuck from town D1 to scum D2 to bus him.

Additionally, you asked Luna a softball question and switched from voting her to voting her counterwagon D1 even though her answer sucked and now, in lylo, you aren’t actually looking for scum but rather throwing up a Hail Mary case that is probably untrue because I didn’t bite on your Sabie vote. You don’t care who gets lynched, as long as it isn’t you.

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE:

nutella ad suspicions on me, but she was a threat to you as well. Audrey wasn't always voting for me, she was on the Elohcin and bob wagons, although the reason she was killed was (like nova) nobody suspected her. Your argument that it's the worst way to hint that you're town is weak, plus it ignores all the other times you did that. For a little clarity, the reason I voted Luna D1 was to prevent her from tying the votes, since it was a vote made on a whim I decided to switch it to a vote made by analysis (though I have a feeling I landed on scum anyway). The reason I targeted you over sabie? Simple, I realized based on the patterns of the last mafioso that he is far more likely to be you.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:59 pm [VOTE: case that is *provably* untrue] aubergine

[VOTE:

Yes, your case on me is untrue. And you know it.] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:57 pm you aren’t actually looking for scum but rather throwing up a Hail Mary case that is probably untrue

Probably?! If you were town, my case would be definitely untrue! This just seals the deal.

“Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

The Sabie case.

This is not a solve attempt.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

Also not solving.

I’m not saying you’ve never given a reason to suspect Sabie. I’m saying today, you voted Sabie without caring if she was mafia and then you voted me based on a completely false idea without caring if it was true or not and then when I showed you the truth, you just went and edited your (fake) opinion to reflect the actual facts without blinking.

Cause none of this is based on who you suspect or why you suspect them. It’s based on getting a mislynch.

This is in sharp contrast to my play, where I have looked hard at every player, analyzed every angle, stuck my neck out for players others suspected who I townread (you, Sabie) and pushed reads that players disagreed with (Speed, Bob) because I am trying to solve. Yeah, I was wrong on some of those but at the end of the day, people followed my reads because they were honest. They made sense. The logic followed. My conclusions followed my evidence. You’re building cases backwards. You’re starting with a conclusion and then building the evidence. Because it’s not an honest attempt to find scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:05 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:06 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm If you have a case on Sabie, I’m all ears, but I’ve isoed her several times and been over her interactions with Luna several times and I don’t see a wolf there.

At this point with there being so few candidates, lack of reason to townread someone is a good enough reason to scumread someone. Unless you can give me a valid case that sabie is town (and I mean TOWN, not "not scum"), my suspicion of her will hold.

But I’m not trying to convince you and this does nothing to convince me.

It's simple POE. Audrey is basically cleared town, and you at least have the speedchuck vote going for you, as well as a lot of activity. I see no reason to read sabie as town, and thus she stands out as the most likely suspect.

Also not solving.

I’m not saying you’ve never given a reason to suspect Sabie. I’m saying today, you voted Sabie without caring if she was mafia and then you voted me based on a completely false idea without caring if it was true or not and then when I showed you the truth, you just went and edited your (fake) opinion to reflect the actual facts without blinking.

Cause none of this is based on who you suspect or why you suspect them. It’s based on getting a mislynch.

This is in sharp contrast to my play, where I have looked hard at every player, analyzed every angle, stuck my neck out for players others suspected who I townread (you, Sabie) and pushed reads that players disagreed with (Speed, Bob) because I am trying to solve. Yeah, I was wrong on some of those but at the end of the day, people followed my reads because they were honest. They made sense. The logic followed. My conclusions followed my evidence. You’re building cases backwards. You’re starting with a conclusion and then building the evidence. Because it’s not an honest attempt to find scum.

Well, I had to think long and hard about the situation, and had to consider which of the two of you was the scum. I had my vote on sabie at first, because she was one of my biggest suspicions since N1 and I wanted to see her response. But eventually, after looking over both your and sabie's posts, I came to the conclusion that you had to be the last mafia, not because of the busing as you seem to think, but because sabie seems to be unable to follow the strategy that the scum pulled off because of her low activity. Similar to the reasons I thought Audrey was clear. I'm sorry, but unless you can verifiably demonstrate that sabie is mafia and had reasons to make the moves that the mafia did (because that is the only other option), then I'll keep my vote on you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

And this revelation came to you suddenly after 5 phases? Not because I wasn’t going to follow your vote on Sabie?



You keep asking me to case Sabie for you but I’m not going to. It would be convinient for you if I’d vote Sabie but I vote my scumreads.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:29 pm And this revelation came to you suddenly after 5 phases? Not because I wasn’t going to follow your vote on Sabie?

Well, by now, there are only two candidates, plus by now I am able to analyze 5 entire cycles. Who would be killed last night was the final piece to the puzzle.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

Well, I'm now totally pursuing a lynch on you. I'm actually giving you a chance to save yourself by explaining sabie, as I don't want to mislynch town and if you legitimately believe that I'm confused, I'd like it if you pointed it out. But no. You just choose to dig yourself deeper in my eyes, in the hopes that sabie will choose you when it's time to play kingmaker. Just no.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

Well, I'm now totally pursuing a lynch on you. I'm actually giving you a chance to save yourself by explaining sabie, as I don't want to mislynch town and if you legitimately believe that I'm confused, I'd like it if you pointed it out. But no. You just choose to dig yourself deeper in my eyes, in the hopes that sabie will choose you when it's time to play kingmaker. Just no.

I don’t think you’re confused.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:51 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:41 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:36 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:19 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:53 pm “Jack bussed Speedchuck on D2 after Luna was lynched.”

“Yeah, no, I was all over Speed on D1.”

“Well then I guess you just bussed hard from the beginning.”

Okay, yeah. That sounds like a real thought. The magical case that shifts to always come to the same conclusion regardless of facts.

You didn’t have a Sabie case. Your case was iirc, one post that I disagreed with you on and afterwards, your case has been “I don’t have a reason to townread Sabie and that’s enough.” No it isn’t. You didn’t believe that.

Last time Speed and I wolfed together (Pirates), I didn’t bus him even though he was suspicious af.

The last two times he was wolf and I was not prior to this game, I either attempted to nk him after scumreading him (Workd Asunder. Was blocked and killed instead. Oof) or lead a lynch on him (Ancient Greece).

I’m good at catching Speed and Speed and Luna we’re both suspicious here, even if you pretended not to see it until D2.

Linki: It was a typo. I’m on my phone. Probably and provably are a millimeter different. If I was a wolf, I wouldn’t hedge on that either. Fake argument.

First of all, my point is, both you and sabie were on speedchuck, so no matter who is scum, they were bussing D1. Stop strawmanning me. Plus, convenient how you still ignore my D2 ISO. Also, I'm not sure if you are one to trust regarding your scumgame, since I am unfamiliar with you and have no way to dispute that, plus you could always change your playstyle. At least I am not posting links to my old scum games to prove I'm not scum. Nice effort, but I can see right through you. Oh well, I guess it is up to sabie to play kingmaker.

I’m not arguing at you because I think you’re the wolf. I’m arguing at Sabie, who was in one of those games.

Here’s the other http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1573

The point isn’t “this is my style.” The point is “I know wolfchuck when I see him. I didn’t decide to bus him immediately. I caught him.”

No, the wolf wasn’t necessarily bussing D1 because you weren’t voting Luna or Speed. You wanted to lynch Rey.

You’re calling out me ignoring your D2 but you just wrote off my entire D1 and D2 without even reading them like “must be bussing.”

Once again for the people in the back. You aren’t trying to catch scum. You’re trying to mislynch either player.

You aren't trying to lynch scum. You're trying to mislynch me (and I can tell that has been your plan since at least the last night). Is it any coincidence that the two players you defended heavily were the last two left? You wanted us to go after each other and then pick one of us to take down. But now I cause a hole in your plan by going after you, and now you are getting hasty. Now you're just trying to convince sabie to go along with your plan to end the game.

If there were 5 more players alive, I’d call this tinfoil.

You act like I’m encouraging you guys to suspect each other. But consistently, I’ve found nothing suspicious about Sabie and shot down the nothing you’ve brought out to convince me to vote her. The only reason I’ve ever suspected her even now is when I read townie sounding stuff from you. That’s not a wolf setting up two townies. That’s a townie evaluating a pair of players to find a wolf.

Contrast you keep asking me to case Sabie for you. You keep telling me there’s no reason to townread her.

I’m pursuing a lynch on you.

You’re pursuing a lynch on me or Sabie.

Well, I'm now totally pursuing a lynch on you. I'm actually giving you a chance to save yourself by explaining sabie, as I don't want to mislynch town and if you legitimately believe that I'm confused, I'd like it if you pointed it out. But no. You just choose to dig yourself deeper in my eyes, in the hopes that sabie will choose you when it's time to play kingmaker. Just no.

I don’t think you’re confused.

Which is why you're going down.

Okay I've been sitting here reading and reading everything iso and all the recent posts. Based on everything I've read I'm still leaning leetic. I think he has been setting up for a mislynch on me for awhile. He was back and forth on jack but seemed to mostly town read him until now whereas hes been trying to push suspicion on me with little argument. If he kept me alive long enough to the end he could lead a mislynch on me and win the game. Audrey's only real read she has given was to suspect leetic so he had to kill her off. Now that he sees that jack is also suspicious of him he votes jack instead hoping he could convince me to change my mind since I haven't been all that active.

I don't actually know which of you is bad but I've been leaning towards leetic for awhile and after reading forever that's still my thought. I do apologize I don't have a computer to post quotes and things, but that's where my thoughts are currently.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:40 pm Okay I've been sitting here reading and reading everything iso and all the recent posts. Based on everything I've read I'm still leaning leetic. I think he has been setting up for a mislynch on me for awhile. He was back and forth on jack but seemed to mostly town read him until now whereas hes been trying to push suspicion on me with little argument. If he kept me alive long enough to the end he could lead a mislynch on me and win the game. Audrey's only real read she has given was to suspect leetic so he had to kill her off. Now that he sees that jack is also suspicious of him he votes jack instead hoping he could convince me to change my mind since I haven't been all that active.

I don't actually know which of you is bad but I've been leaning towards leetic for awhile and after reading forever that's still my thought. I do apologize I don't have a computer to post quotes and things, but that's where my thoughts are currently.

Well, town is going to lose the current way you're voting. A real shame, too. Anyway, I would like to address the sentence I just highlighted. How would leaving you alive this long be part of my strategy, as I tried to lead a lynch on you D3 and D5 before Jack changed the targets to Eloh and bob respectively. If anyone, Jack is the one responsible for you staying alive for so long. Additionally, I'm pretty sure the reason Audrey died was because nobody suspected her (similarly to nova) and you couldn't be sure of her showing up - it was an optimal kill target no matter who is scum.

Yesterday, you tried to lynch Sabie or Bob. Today, you tried to lynch Sabie or me.

Like I’ve been saying, it hasn’t been about lynching the wolf. It’s been about anyone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:37 pm Yesterday, you tried to lynch Sabie or Bob. Today, you tried to lynch Sabie or me.

Like I’ve been saying, it hasn’t been about lynching the wolf. It’s been about anyone.

Eh, it's about changing my suspicions with the presence of better evidence. 10 players have flipped and it's a 50-50 shot at getting scum. I now believe you are the last scum, based on all of what the scum did over 5 cycles (not all of which I had during previous phases, obviously). I don't want town to be mislynched, and that is the reason I am defending myself here. I'm giving you opportunities to improve your look in my eyes, but you aren't using them. Non-cooperation during yLo is usually a sign of scum.