Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[nutella]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

Significant hit* lol

[DrWilgy]

What makes me bad here sloonbug? There's only appropriate response.

Lack of effort

Wrong answer cutie.

What is the correct answer? Like what were you looking for

I was looking for gut.

Sloonei should know that my playstyle or lack there of, or even lack of energy shouldnt have any visible alignment determining qualities. He somewhat hinted at this in the comment below:

Wilgy's posts so far have been contentless and just a bunch of fluffing. Vastly different from how he played last game which he subbed into late game but was still engaging with the players and trying to produce.

I don't really care if his posts were all in D0, doesn't mean anything. One can still try and do a bunch of townie things in D0, you just can't lynch anybody.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

This is exactly why wilgy was second from the bottom on my rainbow list.

He’s done this before as both alignments, but I feel like I’ve seen it more often from scum wilgy. His lethargic hounding of me feels very empty; I don’t get the sense he actually has a reason for doing it. Come at me, @DrWilgy

Or don’t, and say other things instead.

To which I respond "no"

BUUUUUT the ultimate correct answer is gut. Anything else indicates to me a fabrication.

[speedchuck]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

It's almost like every lynch in the game is a gamble.

Do you believe he's scum or not?

[speedchuck]

I guess I should probably read Sloonei's ISO.

[Sloonei]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

For what reasons is Sloonei bad?

[Sloonei]

What makes me bad here sloonbug? There's only appropriate response.

Lack of effort

Wrong answer cutie.

What is the correct answer? Like what were you looking for

I was looking for gut.

Sloonei should know that my playstyle or lack there of, or even lack of energy shouldnt have any visible alignment determining qualities. He somewhat hinted at this in the comment below:

Wilgy's posts so far have been contentless and just a bunch of fluffing. Vastly different from how he played last game which he subbed into late game but was still engaging with the players and trying to produce.

I don't really care if his posts were all in D0, doesn't mean anything. One can still try and do a bunch of townie things in D0, you just can't lynch anybody.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

This is exactly why wilgy was second from the bottom on my rainbow list.

He’s done this before as both alignments, but I feel like I’ve seen it more often from scum wilgy. His lethargic hounding of me feels very empty; I don’t get the sense he actually has a reason for doing it. Come at me, @DrWilgy

Or don’t, and say other things instead.

To which I respond "no"

BUUUUUT the ultimate correct answer is gut. Anything else indicates to me a fabrication.

People who hide behind so-called “gut” reads are cowards. There’s always a reason.

[Sloonei]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

Significant hit* lol

I think you were right the first time.

[speedchuck]

First page of Sloonei's ISO:

"Elaborate"
"Game rules"
"Why?"
"Game rules"
"Elaborate"
"Explain"
"Game rules"
"Single town ping statement"
"Elaborate"
"Why?"
"Elaborate"

[Sloonei]

First page of Sloonei's ISO:

"Elaborate"
"Game rules"
"Why?"
"Game rules"
"Elaborate"
"Explain"
"Game rules"
"Single town ping statement"
"Elaborate"
"Why?"
"Elaborate"

And?

[Sloonei]

Shit, I mean “elaborate.”

[nutella]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

For what reasons is Sloonei bad?

Gut.

[Sloonei]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

For what reasons is Sloonei bad?

Gut.

So bold, so courageous.

[speedchuck]

Page 2 of Sloonei ISO:

"Continuation of page one ruletalk and 'explain' 'why'"
"Mac is town because he's falsely tunneling me. This is a defense that looks like a non-defensive townread"
"GTH anyone?" (clearly it's hard for sloonei to sheep opinions and lead the thread with so many unknowns [this is me being unfair, but my lack of fairness has caught scum in two games so far])
"townread on epi that is substantiated by meta"
"Would vote nutella for being reactionary"

[speedchuck]

First page of Sloonei's ISO:

"Elaborate"
"Game rules"
"Why?"
"Game rules"
"Elaborate"
"Explain"
"Game rules"
"Single town ping statement"
"Elaborate"
"Why?"
"Elaborate"

And?

I'm getting to that, there are like so many pages you moth-eaten lilac

[nutella]

But yeah speed and whoever else said you have seemed stiff and asking so many questions it seems like you're just trying to keep up the appearance of the sloonei who asks many questions.

[Sloonei]

But yeah speed and whoever else said you have seemed stiff and asking so many questions it seems like you're just trying to keep up the appearance of the sloonei who asks many questions.

I grt accused of this literally every game.

[Dragomir]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] Bad wishy washy or good wishy washy? I'm leaning on bad.

[nutella]

And the way you presented the case on me, and to a lesser extent the case on lux, felt disingenuous. Not sure I can explain why but there were parts I didn't believe you believed and the way you led up to them seemed like fishing for reactions in a devious/nervous way. And then there's the gth debacle.

[Dragomir]

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

[Sloonei]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

@Sloonei Bad wishy washy or good wishy washy? I'm leaning on bad.

I feel more bad about speedchuck’s than nutella’s?

[speedchuck]

You guys what if I make 200 posts before Day 1 even starts?

[speedchuck]

Sloonei ISO page 3:

"Unfair ISO of Matahari"
"continued stuff from page 1/2"
"Some reads and suspicions that actually start to look good (or at least genuine and thoughtful)"

[Sloonei]

And the way you presented the case on me, and to a lesser extent the case on lux, felt disingenuous. Not sure I can explain why but there were parts I didn't believe you believed and the way you led up to them seemed like fishing for reactions in a devious/nervous way. And then there's the gth debacle.

“The gth debaccle” is horseshit.

My cases are my cases. Sometimes I do reach. I’m feeling players out.
If I’ve been fishing so much, would I also be pivoting off my reads as much as I have been?

[Sloonei]

You guys what if I make 200 posts before Day 1 even starts?

I’ve reported myself to the police.

[Dragomir]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

@Sloonei Bad wishy washy or good wishy washy? I'm leaning on bad.

I feel more bad about speedchuck’s than nutella’s?

Speed's doesn't really sway either way. Nutella's posts their I really don't like though. She's being very hesitant on whether or not to lynch you. She has a scum read on you, but is trying to find an excuse to not push for you because you might be town and big blow to the faction. She ain't trying to get her hands dirty against you by pushing and leading a wagon on you. She wants support and insight on whether or not it's a good thing to push for you and that sort of approach is one like a wolf trying to test for a possible mislynch they can get on. If they have the town's ok on it, it'd be fine(or at least a few ppl's insight so they look terribly bad for redirection a wholeass lynch on you).

I know I did something similar in the scrimmage where I asked players if they wanna lynch x player but I was chill, non-chalant about it. Here she's iffy and it's not a good look. I also understand that she thinks townies should be hesitant, but imo that hesitance is only ok when it's the good wishy washy, trying to figure out if a person's posts make them town or scum. This hesitance is bad wishy washy.

What do you think?

[speedchuck]

I've mindmelded with nutella a lot, but I mesh with this current accusation of her as well. "It probably won't work" or "I might be wrong and it's a gamble that would hurt town" is a really off reason not to lynch someone.

Since when did nutella need to consider other opinions?

I'm trying to decide if this comes from a scum perspective in a multi-team game. Is this idea of 'eh, it's a gamble, not worth' influenced by the speaker having possible access to a nightkill?

[Dragomir]

I've mindmelded with nutella a lot, but I mesh with this current accusation of her as well. "It probably won't work" or "I might be wrong and it's a gamble that would hurt town" is a really off reason not to lynch someone.

Since when did nutella need to consider other opinions?

I'm trying to decide if this comes from a scum perspective in a multi-team game. Is this idea of 'eh, it's a gamble, not worth' influenced by the speaker having possible access to a nightkill?

What did you guys mindmeld on?

Why does the it being a multi-ball affect what perspective she's in?

[Sloonei]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

@Sloonei Bad wishy washy or good wishy washy? I'm leaning on bad.

I feel more bad about speedchuck’s than nutella’s?

Speed's doesn't really sway either way. Nutella's posts their I really don't like though. She's being very hesitant on whether or not to lynch you. She has a scum read on you, but is trying to find an excuse to not push for you because you might be town and big blow to the faction. She ain't trying to get her hands dirty against you by pushing and leading a wagon on you. She wants support and insight on whether or not it's a good thing to push for you and that sort of approach is one like a wolf trying to test for a possible mislynch they can get on. If they have the town's ok on it, it'd be fine(or at least a few ppl's insight so they look terribly bad for redirection a wholeass lynch on you).

I know I did something similar in the scrimmage where I asked players if they wanna lynch x player but I was chill, non-chalant about it. Here she's iffy and it's not a good look. I also understand that she thinks townies should be hesitant, but imo that hesitance is only ok when it's the good wishy washy, trying to figure out if a person's posts make them town or scum. This hesitance is bad wishy washy.

What do you think?

I feel like nutella is pushing against me, not that she’s afraid of getting her hands dirty. Her hands are dirtier than anyone’s in the Lynch Sloonei campaign. I can see reason to be concerned about that though.

Some of speedchuck’s posts this morning felt less committed to a particular stance. I had a feeling of him testing the waters a bit with his re-entry posts, not sure where he wanted to go but trying things on for size. I’ll point to examples.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's certainly a gamble. If sloonei is town after all losing him would be a significant hot to the thread activity and we'd all have to step it up. But, if he's bad he's all the more dangerous with his influence.

For what reasons is Sloonei bad?

Gut.

So bold, so courageous.

So fake.

[Sloonei]

Examples:

Okay, I super townread Mac, Nutella, and Ultra coming into D0, and was wary of or lightly scumreading sloonei.

What's up? What's changed?

“Hey guys these are reads I once had. Should I still have them?”

”I want to suspect Sloonei for this even though it doesn’t really work.”

[Jackofhearts2005]

But yeah speed and whoever else said you have seemed stiff and asking so many questions it seems like you're just trying to keep up the appearance of the sloonei who asks many questions.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

I think this is part of nutella’s argument not to lynch me. But not a big enough part.

[Sloonei]

Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

I think this is part of nutella’s argument not to lynch me. But not a big enough part.

And her argument to lynch you literally included the words “I’m not sure if I can explain it” which might as well translate to “some people suspect Sloonei and I would lynch him if people do suspect him because he isn’t on my team.”

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

I think this is part of nutella’s argument not to lynch me. But not a big enough part.

And her argument to lynch you literally included the words “I’m not sure if I can explain it” which might as well translate to “some people suspect Sloonei and I would lynch him if people do suspect him because he isn’t on my team.”

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

I think this is part of nutella’s argument not to lynch me. But not a big enough part.

And her argument to lynch you literally included the words “I’m not sure if I can explain it” which might as well translate to “some people suspect Sloonei and I would lynch him if people do suspect him because he isn’t on my team.”

What, Sloonei? Just sheep me come on.

[nutella]

I've mindmelded with nutella a lot, but I mesh with this current accusation of her as well. "It probably won't work" or "I might be wrong and it's a gamble that would hurt town" is a really off reason not to lynch someone.

Since when did nutella need to consider other opinions?

I'm trying to decide if this comes from a scum perspective in a multi-team game. Is this idea of 'eh, it's a gamble, not worth' influenced by the speaker having possible access to a nightkill?

Why is this a big deal? I'm absolutely willing to pursue my suspicion of sloonei,but I also retain some wariness that I might be wrong. What's wrong with that?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

I think this is part of nutella’s argument not to lynch me. But not a big enough part.

And her argument to lynch you literally included the words “I’m not sure if I can explain it” which might as well translate to “some people suspect Sloonei and I would lynch him if people do suspect him because he isn’t on my team.”

What, Sloonei? Just sheep me come on.

nutella is doing things that I can see civilian nutella doing.
nutella is also doing things that could be calculated mafia moves.

[speedchuck]

I've mindmelded with nutella a lot, but I mesh with this current accusation of her as well. "It probably won't work" or "I might be wrong and it's a gamble that would hurt town" is a really off reason not to lynch someone.

Since when did nutella need to consider other opinions?

I'm trying to decide if this comes from a scum perspective in a multi-team game. Is this idea of 'eh, it's a gamble, not worth' influenced by the speaker having possible access to a nightkill?

Why is this a big deal? I'm absolutely willing to pursue my suspicion of sloonei,but I also retain some wariness that I might be wrong. What's wrong with that?

Since when do you ever do that?

And from what I can tell, you are not willing. You haven't voted him. You haven't called for votes, not directly.

[Dragomir]

I'm sure there's a scum in Sloonei, Luxy, and Nutella. Might even be all 3 tbh.

[Sloonei]

I've mindmelded with nutella a lot, but I mesh with this current accusation of her as well. "It probably won't work" or "I might be wrong and it's a gamble that would hurt town" is a really off reason not to lynch someone.

Since when did nutella need to consider other opinions?

I'm trying to decide if this comes from a scum perspective in a multi-team game. Is this idea of 'eh, it's a gamble, not worth' influenced by the speaker having possible access to a nightkill?

Why is this a big deal? I'm absolutely willing to pursue my suspicion of sloonei,but I also retain some wariness that I might be wrong. What's wrong with that?

The possibility for opportunism. You could be mafia who’s trying to inflate the suspicion against a vocal player anytime it pops up in the thread.

[speedchuck]

I've mindmelded with nutella a lot, but I mesh with this current accusation of her as well. "It probably won't work" or "I might be wrong and it's a gamble that would hurt town" is a really off reason not to lynch someone.

Since when did nutella need to consider other opinions?

I'm trying to decide if this comes from a scum perspective in a multi-team game. Is this idea of 'eh, it's a gamble, not worth' influenced by the speaker having possible access to a nightkill?

What did you guys mindmeld on?

Why does the it being a multi-ball affect what perspective she's in?

In multi-ball, scum doesn't have to fake hunting. They also don't have to commit as hard to getting someone they suspect lynched, because hey, they can just nightkill them.

That's not saying they won't fake some scumhunting, but they can legitimately hunt.

[Sloonei]

I'm sure there's a scum in Sloonei, Luxy, and Nutella. Might even be all 3 tbh.

I can see us all being town.

[Dragomir]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

I think this is part of nutella’s argument not to lynch me. But not a big enough part.

And her argument to lynch you literally included the words “I’m not sure if I can explain it” which might as well translate to “some people suspect Sloonei and I would lynch him if people do suspect him because he isn’t on my team.”

What, Sloonei? Just sheep me come on.

nutella is doing things that I can see civilian nutella doing.
nutella is also doing things that could be calculated mafia moves.

Which do you think is the case?

[speedchuck]

I'm sure there's a scum in Sloonei, Luxy, and Nutella. Might even be all 3 tbh.

The top three posters in the thread, in order. Exposure bias?

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is self resolving. Why would you ever lynch him D1 in a multiball game where he’s in tryhard mode? Even if he’s scum, the other scum team will shoot him eventually.

I think this is part of nutella’s argument not to lynch me. But not a big enough part.

And her argument to lynch you literally included the words “I’m not sure if I can explain it” which might as well translate to “some people suspect Sloonei and I would lynch him if people do suspect him because he isn’t on my team.”

What, Sloonei? Just sheep me come on.

nutella is doing things that I can see civilian nutella doing.
nutella is also doing things that could be calculated mafia moves.

Which do you think is the case?

I currently maintain a light townread on her.

[juliets]

I've mindmelded with nutella a lot, but I mesh with this current accusation of her as well. "It probably won't work" or "I might be wrong and it's a gamble that would hurt town" is a really off reason not to lynch someone.

Since when did nutella need to consider other opinions?

I'm trying to decide if this comes from a scum perspective in a multi-team game. Is this idea of 'eh, it's a gamble, not worth' influenced by the speaker having possible access to a nightkill?

Why is this a big deal? I'm absolutely willing to pursue my suspicion of sloonei,but I also retain some wariness that I might be wrong. What's wrong with that?

Since when do you ever do that?
<snip>

speed, doesn't nutella always do this? It seems like she goes back and forth on people a lot, especially in the beginning of games and right up to EOD. Am I remembering this wrong?

[Dragomir]

I'm sure there's a scum in Sloonei, Luxy, and Nutella. Might even be all 3 tbh.

The top three posters in the thread, in order. Exposure bias?

Oh shit, I didn't even know.

[Ultra]

I guess I should probably read Sloonei's ISO.

Why, exactly, did you feel the need to do this but also advertise it? I'm wondering why you don't have some tertiary impression from Sloonei just by reading the thread since he's the most present player. Why is your priority here to resolve him as opposed to literally anyone else unless you have a lead on him? Same thing with Nutella. Also remarkably little to say on either of them

Your presence seems lackluster compared to last game