The Syndicate

Ok then nevermind, that was my thought.

Fayt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:09 pm Scratch that - no way of knowing which player the softvoter is voting for, so we wouldn't know who to give the extra vote.

No one gets cleared via this mechanic.

Really?

Does it say it still goes down to a tie..?

My thought was if half voted for me and half voted for JJJ. If the soft voter is on me, and JJJ gets lynched, then I thought I would be cleared as a dog and vice versa if Jay is a dog.

If you were a cat, and the voted was tied, then there would still be a 50% chance JJJ dies (if the tie-mechanic is a coin-flip). That's why it wouldn't have cleared you. You could have been taking the risk.

Day 3

No vig hit??

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Oh ... lame.

Can other civs like get heaps civvie and make themselves obvious to me so this isn't so hard please. You know, do civ things?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:17 pm Can other civs like get heaps civvie and make themselves obvious to me so this isn't so hard please. You know, do civ things?

civ things = voting fayt imo. she's the clear choice based on both combined POEs and all the juicy reasons Jay had. I'm not saying we should just let jay have done our work for us, but I think she is the most logical conclusion here. I do need to reconsider michelle and maybe even drago though, in case a fayt flip doesn't pan out and we need to keep solving.

Can we like lynch Dom? Thanks.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:17 pm Can other civs like get heaps civvie and make themselves obvious to me so this isn't so hard please. You know, do civ things?

civ things = voting fayt imo. she's the clear choice based on both combined POEs and all the juicy reasons Jay had. I'm not saying we should just let jay have done our work for us, but I think she is the most logical conclusion here. I do need to reconsider michelle and maybe even drago though, in case a fayt flip doesn't pan out and we need to keep solving.

I don't know about that chief. GTH she's a dog, felt like they had given up and accepted that their death was inevitable last phase. It seems genuine and not like a manipulative ploy, and that's basically a summary of their play so far this game lol. They were scum in the last game we played together and when it started to look like PoE had them, they kind of conceded by outing themselves.

Present take on Dom, @nut?

Think I remember him being in your PoE, you also asked me about him last phase and didn't at me back.

Yeah I can see your side of things. We can try Dom first if that's the consensus.

I agree that Fayt looks Dog. Faced with the tied vote and possible JJJ softvote, the game would have been over if Fayt were bad. Yet she didn't jump on JJJ to save her life at the last second... Drago did that for some reason.

How could the last Cat go ahead and give away the game like that?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:38 pm Yeah I can see your side of things. We can try Dom first if that's the consensus.

Why shouldn't we try you? Your extreme eagerness to slam the lynch on Fayt despite the latest behavioural counter-evidence is concerning. And now you're all too willing to go along with a Dom lynch. The last Cat can easily support the lynch of any Dog.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:38 pm Yeah I can see your side of things. We can try Dom first if that's the consensus.

Why shouldn't we try you? Your extreme eagerness to slam the lynch on Fayt despite the latest behavioural counter-evidence is concerning. And now you're all too willing to go along with a Dom lynch. The last Cat can easily support the lynch of any Dog.

I'm not sure about the "behavioural counter-evidence." I don't think fayt's behavior yesterday can really tell us anything concrete about her alignment. But you're right I should be re-assessing more. What do you think of Dom? Or Michelle? Or Drago given that odd vote yesterday?

Honestly I am putting a lot of stock into Jay's analysis since there were so many different indicators that pointed in fayt's direction, and I guess sort of because I feel like I owe it to Jay.

me @ the jay flip

Also tell me why it isn't you, LC. I haven't let go of that possibility.

My view of most likely cat to least likely cat:

Fayt > Dom > LC > Michelle > Dragomir > Nova > Mac

Differences pretty close though. Subject to change

I actually have one additional data point that indicates fayt but I can't say anything about it

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:50 pm Also tell me why it isn't you, LC. I haven't let go of that possibility.

I just think a read of my ISO is just really Civvish, and there's no way a reasonable player could possibly think I'm bad.

So I go to look at Mac's ISO to see if I can see why he's your most trusted player. Then I see this ugliness:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:31 pm Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

All this is how I feel. Can we be friends?

You declaring rej and speed as "fine", and Mac just jumping right on that with support.

Whatever. Cool cool cool. I'll just keep reading.

I guess Mac does have his doggish looks here and there.

Hmm.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:50 pm Also tell me why it isn't you, LC. I haven't let go of that possibility.

I just think a read of my ISO is just really Civvish, and there's no way a reasonable player could possibly think I'm bad.

I feel the same about myself lol.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:33 pm So I go to look at Mac's ISO to see if I can see why he's your most trusted player. Then I see this ugliness:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:31 pm Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

All this is how I feel. Can we be friends?

You declaring rej and speed as "fine", and Mac just jumping right on that with support.

Whatever. Cool cool cool. I'll just keep reading.

Interesting catch

I actually also wondered if Mac deliberately planted the seed for the Jay lynch and I fell for it

I thought for sure I was going to get vigged.

[mention]Dragomir[/mention]

Why did you switch to JJJ at the last second?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:01 pm I actually have one additional data point that indicates fayt but I can't say anything about it

No idea what this could possibly mean since I'm a dog.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:33 pm So I go to look at Mac's ISO to see if I can see why he's your most trusted player. Then I see this ugliness:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:31 pm Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

All this is how I feel. Can we be friends?

You declaring rej and speed as "fine", and Mac just jumping right on that with support.

Whatever. Cool cool cool. I'll just keep reading.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:46 pm I guess Mac does have his doggish looks here and there.

It's really hard fabricating a case on me isn't it LC.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:17 pm Can other civs like get heaps civvie and make themselves obvious to me so this isn't so hard please. You know, do civ things?

civ things = voting fayt imo. she's the clear choice based on both combined POEs and all the juicy reasons Jay had. I'm not saying we should just let jay have done our work for us, but I think she is the most logical conclusion here. I do need to reconsider michelle and maybe even drago though, in case a fayt flip doesn't pan out and we need to keep solving.

Nah civ things would be like, analysing. Prodding people. Being shouty. You know, that civ shit.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:53 pm filthy homestuck reference

I wonder if something is influencing me to think about Homestuck lately.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:38 pm Yeah I can see your side of things. We can try Dom first if that's the consensus.

Why shouldn't we try you? Your extreme eagerness to slam the lynch on Fayt despite the latest behavioural counter-evidence is concerning. And now you're all too willing to go along with a Dom lynch. The last Cat can easily support the lynch of any Dog.

This is kinda how I feel at the moment. She just wants to lynch the path of least resistance.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:49 pm

me @ the jay flip

Fuck that, Jay looked weird af and we managed to get him lynched which is no meant feat. I'm proud even if he flipped dog. Motherfucker had it coming.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:53 pm I actually also wondered if Mac deliberately planted the seed for the Jay lynch and I fell for it

By deliberately planted the seed, do you mean ... make a case? Because that's a pretty pointed and flavourful way of describing a very easy to describe thing there.

One minute nut has me top town, next minute she's preparing to snap vote me lmao.

I'm definitely not about to vote you lmao. I'm just trying to reassess because I'm not even that confident in my top town reads and that's no good at this stage.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:47 pmHmm.

Hmm what?

I just voted fayt right away because she was the obvious next candidate after Jay's flip and the consensus vig target that didn't happen. I'm not just going for the path of least resistance, I definitely think we need to talk through our other options but I think she is the logical place to start. If you disagree please engage with me on that point. LC did so a bit regarding how yesterday's lynch went, so that is at least something to chew on but it didn't make her look particularly better in my eyes.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:34 pm I just voted fayt right away because she was the obvious next candidate after Jay's flip and the consensus vig target that didn't happen. I'm not just going for the path of least resistance, I definitely think we need to talk through our other options but I think she is the logical place to start. If you disagree please engage with me on that point. LC did so a bit regarding how yesterday's lynch went, so that is at least something to chew on but it didn't make her look particularly better in my eyes.

A LIKELY STORY. WHAT NEXT, ELEPHANTS WITH PANTS ON THEIR HEADS?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:17 pm Can we like lynch Dom? Thanks.

lol no

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:38 pm Yeah I can see your side of things. We can try Dom first if that's the consensus.

That's a bad idea.
You'd be my first suspect if TH wasn't the first NK though.

I wanna say that I think Fayt is probably mafia.

But like, I don't wanna just coast to lynch her today without at least getting some good feels about other players.

The only player who has given me genuine civ vibes today so far is LC.

I agree, Mac.

Fayt, Nutella, and Drago are my suspects.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:31 pm Fayt, Nutella, and Drago are my suspects.

Can you unpack that Drago dealio. I've got nothing feelings there.

Everything from Day 1, obvi. I'll try and formulate my thoughts when I'm done playing video games fro the night

Thanks man.

Cases people, get your cases, succinct, long-form, verbose, mundane, get your cases while they're hot. Send em in.

I'd make cases but I'm playing the role of facilitator.

Where's that thing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:07 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:33 pm So I go to look at Mac's ISO to see if I can see why he's your most trusted player. Then I see this ugliness:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:31 pm Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

All this is how I feel. Can we be friends?

You declaring rej and speed as "fine", and Mac just jumping right on that with support.

Whatever. Cool cool cool. I'll just keep reading.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:46 pm I guess Mac does have his doggish looks here and there.

It's really hard fabricating a case on me isn't it LC.

I don't think it would be too hard.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:31 pm Fayt, Nutella, and Drago are my suspects.

Yeah, me too I guess. Fayt has good points against, probably summarized in the JJJ case, but her behaviour at the end of Day 3 looks good.

Nutella, I had some issues with today... would the final Cat be this aggressive at this stage though? Or sit back and let the lynch happen?

Drago I have never really shed my suspicion of. Does the last Cat pull that last-second vote on a tied lynch between two Civs? Why?

Which one of us is acting like the last baddie who needs to last for a few more Days to win?

Interesting last sentence. It's a good way to look at it. I'd say Dragomir fits that profile well. Maybe Nova?

Should we look through Epi's suspects?