The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am Grogu may be my top town. Y'all nerds.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am Since everyone seems to agree LC is mafia sure, i dont wanna get in the way. I probably wont get a lot of cred if he flips mafia if i vote him but id rather be honest with my reads even if they are anti-town / not helpful (and my read is still that LC is null)

Hes at 7 votes careful not to early maj even tho i joked about it earlier still. I wanna win the game

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am Grogu may be my top town. Y'all nerds.

hahahaha

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am Since everyone seems to agree LC is mafia sure, i dont wanna get in the way. I probably wont get a lot of cred if he flips mafia if i vote him but id rather be honest with my reads even if they are anti-town / not helpful (and my read is still that LC is null)

Hes at 7 votes careful not to early maj even tho i joked about it earlier still. I wanna win the game

Is maj really in effect here?

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:43 pm quick thoughts on everyone here:

alison - i know that alison is capable of playing a strong scum game, but i honestly haven't gotten pinged by any of her reads or her progressions yet. i suspect that alison!scum is the type of scum that needs to play with a forceful agenda to steer the town into the improper direction, and the fact that i've found myself largely in lockstep with alison's progression is something that bodes well for her alignment.

i also suspect that alison wouldn't be shielding jagged as hard as she did as scum - jagged's approach in this game makes him more "pushable" than he typically is, and it's kind of hard to imagine alison!scum coming straight into the game townlocking him when the potential for him to get pressured + pushed on was extremely high. this would only make sense if alison/jagged were a team, but i dont think they are

daughterofomega - gth i actually find the way she came after alison so hard kind of town indicative - there was a level of conviction to her push that i suspect daughter!scum might not be able to replicate so well if she rand'd scum. the rest of her posts are null and i dont feel like i could comfortably townread her atm

koba - koba is extremely at ease & extremely happy to be in this game - i actually really liked the fact that dk "peaced out" from the day 0 discussion in spite of the fact that important stuff was still happening - i think that koba!scum cares a lot about thread control, and capitulating to the consensus of everyone in the thread and relaxing until d1 starts is something i expect koba is much more likely to do as town than scum. townlean

ellie - i kinda liked her post about esooa and her general tone feels "pure" to me, but honestly null

esooa - esooa has lived up to how i would imagine a town!esooa would approach this game, but it's a little too early for me to back this read with any kind of confidence. i like that she attacked tutuu for townreading her too early, and i like that she broadly shaded me/acted paranoia about me without being able to substantiate it. i feel like esooa!scum might not out that scumread on me unless she felt prepared to substantiate/defend it. townlean

grogu - null, leaning scum if anything

jagged - not 100% confident about this read, but jagged's approach to the game so far just feels devoid of any particular agenda or "plan". i think jagged would be very concerned as scum about the direction the thread was taking (primarily, a "towncore" that did not include him) and do his best to fester paranoia within the towncore or to ensure that he could be included in it himself. the fact that jagged is just chilling and relaxing makes me think he's more likely to just be town that trusts his townreads to win the game. i also think his perception of me is exactly how jagged!town would perceive me as town rn

long con - feels like he's borderline open wolfing, every post has been scummy. scumlean

macdougall - broad unsubstantiated shade on jagged that he backed off on when the push didn't pick up momentum, followed by reads that feel more interested in disrupting the trust of the "towncore" than anything. havent seen any genuine observations from him yet. scumlean

made - scumlean, but has been trending up over the last couple of hours. his frustration with the existence of the "towncore" had a lot of conviction to it upon revisiting, and he seems relatively at peace with the thread in spite of the fact that as scum, he's in a pretty rough position

michelle - outed a bunch of reads that felt made up & outed solely for the purpose of giving the impression of solving. responded to my pressure on her by OMGUS'ing me and accusing me of opportunistically pushing her, while simultaneously making an appeal that implied that i'm town who doesn't know how to read her properly. her game so far is messy and scummy. scumlean

nanook - feels pure, has so many townreads that im inclined to think nanook!scum might be more worried about boxing himself in and not having many viable push options. does not feel scum motivated. townlean

nutella - tone is assertive & inquisitive & dynamic. completely different from any nutella scum world that i've ever seen. townread

tutuu - i think tutuu is more likely town than not but i have the least logical reasons to townread her out of all my townleans. probably still rand!town because of how many people i trust are townreading her and because of the fact that very few of her posts have pinged me as having an agenda

Do not say that about me, my little heart is broken.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:42 am Grogu may be my top town. Y'all nerds.

hahahaha

What's your Grogu stance?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:32 pm I think Grogu is the mafia who will be found first. They are kind of openwolfing to an extent that I enjoy, and I won't push them personally.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:34 pm Beggbow vibes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:44 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:27 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:43 pm quick thoughts on everyone here:

alison - i know that alison is capable of playing a strong scum game, but i honestly haven't gotten pinged by any of her reads or her progressions yet. i suspect that alison!scum is the type of scum that needs to play with a forceful agenda to steer the town into the improper direction, and the fact that i've found myself largely in lockstep with alison's progression is something that bodes well for her alignment.

i also suspect that alison wouldn't be shielding jagged as hard as she did as scum - jagged's approach in this game makes him more "pushable" than he typically is, and it's kind of hard to imagine alison!scum coming straight into the game townlocking him when the potential for him to get pressured + pushed on was extremely high. this would only make sense if alison/jagged were a team, but i dont think they are

daughterofomega - gth i actually find the way she came after alison so hard kind of town indicative - there was a level of conviction to her push that i suspect daughter!scum might not be able to replicate so well if she rand'd scum. the rest of her posts are null and i dont feel like i could comfortably townread her atm

koba - koba is extremely at ease & extremely happy to be in this game - i actually really liked the fact that dk "peaced out" from the day 0 discussion in spite of the fact that important stuff was still happening - i think that koba!scum cares a lot about thread control, and capitulating to the consensus of everyone in the thread and relaxing until d1 starts is something i expect koba is much more likely to do as town than scum. townlean

ellie - i kinda liked her post about esooa and her general tone feels "pure" to me, but honestly null

esooa - esooa has lived up to how i would imagine a town!esooa would approach this game, but it's a little too early for me to back this read with any kind of confidence. i like that she attacked tutuu for townreading her too early, and i like that she broadly shaded me/acted paranoia about me without being able to substantiate it. i feel like esooa!scum might not out that scumread on me unless she felt prepared to substantiate/defend it. townlean

grogu - null, leaning scum if anything

jagged - not 100% confident about this read, but jagged's approach to the game so far just feels devoid of any particular agenda or "plan". i think jagged would be very concerned as scum about the direction the thread was taking (primarily, a "towncore" that did not include him) and do his best to fester paranoia within the towncore or to ensure that he could be included in it himself. the fact that jagged is just chilling and relaxing makes me think he's more likely to just be town that trusts his townreads to win the game. i also think his perception of me is exactly how jagged!town would perceive me as town rn

long con - feels like he's borderline open wolfing, every post has been scummy. scumlean

macdougall - broad unsubstantiated shade on jagged that he backed off on when the push didn't pick up momentum, followed by reads that feel more interested in disrupting the trust of the "towncore" than anything. havent seen any genuine observations from him yet. scumlean

made - scumlean, but has been trending up over the last couple of hours. his frustration with the existence of the "towncore" had a lot of conviction to it upon revisiting, and he seems relatively at peace with the thread in spite of the fact that as scum, he's in a pretty rough position

michelle - outed a bunch of reads that felt made up & outed solely for the purpose of giving the impression of solving. responded to my pressure on her by OMGUS'ing me and accusing me of opportunistically pushing her, while simultaneously making an appeal that implied that i'm town who doesn't know how to read her properly. her game so far is messy and scummy. scumlean

nanook - feels pure, has so many townreads that im inclined to think nanook!scum might be more worried about boxing himself in and not having many viable push options. does not feel scum motivated. townlean

nutella - tone is assertive & inquisitive & dynamic. completely different from any nutella scum world that i've ever seen. townread

tutuu - i think tutuu is more likely town than not but i have the least logical reasons to townread her out of all my townleans. probably still rand!town because of how many people i trust are townreading her and because of the fact that very few of her posts have pinged me as having an agenda

Do not say that about me, my little heart is broken.

what the actual fuck this is the funniest thing I've ever read in my life

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:43 am Grogu literally has the force. They show up ping out Long Con and Michelle and be all cute. That is the towniest shit ever.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:31 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:19 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:15 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:09 am [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Is this about that logicless scumslip conclusion from earlier?

That was initially why I suspected you, but I think "gets pressured by Alison/nutella early and then starts saying weird anti spew stuff" is a bad progression for you specifically.

What have you done D0? What are your reads?

You guys pressured me? I don't recall that. I chilled out on Day 0 like a good patriot.

Give me stances on:

- the players in the game (ie. a readslist)

- the idea of a "towncore" that's been floating around

Hmm... okay, well you are obvious scum. Nanook as well. DK is town, Esooa I think I thought was town, Made town, Grogu town, Mac town. JJJ shifty. tutuu pattable. Michelle town, SPF probscum but maybetown.

The idea of a towncore is awful, shoot from the hip, I say!

Next time you want something from me, I expect more politeness. This was a freebie.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:43 am Grogu literally has the force. They show up ping out Long Con and Michelle and be all cute. That is the towniest shit ever.

So I don't deny that the disconnection from the threadstate felt pure, and is townie in and of itself and probably the strongest reason to townread Grogu, but

I think you and nanook have a thing where you bias towards townreading players who are funny and a little wild and unpredictable and offbeat, just for being those things, when I'm not convinced they're actually strong towntells. I think you like Grogu's posts on a personal level and are giving him towncred because you like his posts. He hasn't actually done much if you cut through the fluff, and more importantly, the cute gimmick makes it hard to read him which means it's hard to towncore him which means in the POE.

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:41 pm i love this page

grogu keep doing you

I must be high, I do not know why players think I am bonkers or scummy.
When does d1 end?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:48 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:44 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:39 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:38 am how many votes to hammer? i want to vote LongCon (if he's town spf dies, gg ez game over) but i dont want to dogpile too fast

Whoa whoa, why does SPF die if I'm town?

I think one is mafia between michelle and spf. spf is also pushing you, so if you're town then that means i have two reason to think she's mafia. if youre mafia though that means Michelle is too so they die. gg ez. unless yall are pulling some 5head play but I don't think so
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

WOW. You are definitely a wolf. Is it, like, acceptable these days to just flaunt it like that?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:50 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:48 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:44 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:39 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:38 am how many votes to hammer? i want to vote LongCon (if he's town spf dies, gg ez game over) but i dont want to dogpile too fast

Whoa whoa, why does SPF die if I'm town?

I think one is mafia between michelle and spf. spf is also pushing you, so if you're town then that means i have two reason to think she's mafia. if youre mafia though that means Michelle is too so they die. gg ez. unless yall are pulling some 5head play but I don't think so
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

hi ellie, could you please walk me through how you reached those conclusions so quickly? why does me & michelle have to contain one mafia? is it not possible for us to both be town?

and why does long con being mafia make michelle mafia too? because i would be town if long con was maf?

It's phony wolf logic. She's trying to push the town hammer, maybe set up another one after. This is making you look better, so that's good.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:56 am You are a very funny person Mac and I remember that one time you were all lovely dovely on discord and said how much you love everyone that was really cute, I wanna squish your squishy belly squish squish squishhh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:52 am Alright I am here now for live interactions for like 8 minutes before I leave work. Talk to me ppl.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:29 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:23 am What if I told you that I’m 4/4 reading Michelle

wait i missed what your read on her was? assuming town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:31 am @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME when you're obv town you usually have 1 or 2 really bad townreads that you get locked in on and it ends up biting you in the ass

can you just work out which ones those are so i can go home plz

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:40 am lc was probably excited to be scum with mac and waited for him to show up in scumchat before doing much and then just got increasingly disheartened the longer mac took to arrive and gave up

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:42 am left brain: eh i should take that spf tinfoil back shes prob just town

right brain: ok but what if it's spf and alison and im bout to get bamboozled

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:46 am Anyway here's the thing.

1) nutella is very good at reading LC and has caught him Day 1 the past like 5 games she's played where LC is scum and she is town. Shadow Corridors was a weird exception, but he was a third party that didn't side with anyone (in theory) there and was also using a sockpuppet for the first bit of the game anyway.

2) nutella thinks LC is scum and seems fairly sure about it.

3) LC doesn't scumread nutella and doesn't seem particularly concerned about nutella's read on him.

On a base level, 1 + 2 means LC is likely scum, because every time nutella says LC is scum he's scum. But even if you're skeptical and think she can be wrong, 1 + 3 also points towards LC being scum. If you're town and someone who's normally good at reading you calls you scum, the natural inclination is to assume that they're scum trying to get you killed. See: Mac and FFF in Hydra Game 1. The fact that LC knows nutella has a god read on him but still doesn't bat an eye or talk about her at all is pretty damn outing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:43 am Grogu literally has the force. They show up ping out Long Con and Michelle and be all cute. That is the towniest shit ever.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:48 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:43 am Grogu literally has the force. They show up ping out Long Con and Michelle and be all cute. That is the towniest shit ever.

So I don't deny that the disconnection from the threadstate felt pure, and is townie in and of itself and probably the strongest reason to townread Grogu, but

I think you and nanook have a thing where you bias towards townreading players who are funny and a little wild and unpredictable and offbeat, just for being those things, when I'm not convinced they're actually strong towntells. I think you like Grogu's posts on a personal level and are giving him towncred because you like his posts. He hasn't actually done much if you cut through the fluff, and more importantly, the cute gimmick makes it hard to read him which means it's hard to towncore him which means in the POE.

What is throwing me off is the Michelle/LC stuff tbh. I don't expect them to be bussing lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:35 am i am pretty sure i have the greatest avatar that has ever been made

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:47 am @Long Con bahahaha

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 am I think michelle might be town here, it feels like a meta read from my sub conscious lol

I relate to this and it's why I've treated Michelle with a softer approach lately.

I do also think that Michelle is the most likely person in the POE to self-resolve, which is why I have her as the last person to go through in there. Like, I could see her posting herself clear in D2 or D3. I can't see LC doing that.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:17 am I am on page 14

LC has at this point made 1 post i can recall
Grogu 0

Seems pretty ez but guess we shall see

counterpoint: nutella is scum reading LC

and LC is trying to act like he doesn't give a fuck about it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:28 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:04 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:51 amNanook scum

This is your second post in this game and in the first you have a derp clear attempt. Denied, if you ask me.
Share your ideas please!

In which the mafia are like "god damn we better do something" so they decide to make some posts where they try to antispew each other because they realise one of them dying is a foregone conclusion.

Narrator from the future: It didn't work.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:34 am @Long Con @Michelle can you out your third so we can break the record for quickest town win plz.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:47 am Haaa let's make sure they yeet you even after they find out I'm town. They'll be like "bUt I was sO sUrE, it muSt bE a tRicK!"