Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Michelle]

Honestly if you want to claim why do you want others oppinion on it?

[Justplayingitcool]

tutuu if I tell you to claim, will you tell me to claim because i am also waiting for someone to give me an answer

Claim

So I'm the ultimate gambler, celestia ludenberg from danganronpa. technically she becomes a murderer but uh let's ignore that part.

At the end of each day phase there is a number in the writeup and I have to guess the over/under the number of votes the leading wagon receives. If the number is 6 nd I guess over, I need the leading wagon to have more than six votes and vice versa. There have been instances where the mods have forgotten to put a number and I had to sort of annoy them and put a sentence n the writeup, or even put two numbers in to confuse me! You should see a number in every day writeup.

If I win, I become a double voter. If I lose, I lose my vote.

[tutuu]

I am clearly not implying meta on u i am telling u that u are bending backwards and going thru gymnastics (reaching) to call me scum in this game

There is nothing else to defend myself from. U are stating illogical reasons to call me scum. I explain the reasons (i colored ted in pimk coz he was. A 0 postee). U reach and call me scum again (wow but ted also claimed 3p later hmm? suspicious...). U leave me no room but to sigh and to either ignore u or tell u that ur jsut plain wronf

[tutuu]

Honestly if you want to claim why do you want others oppinion on it?

Because i want others opinions on whether thats a good idea

[Dyslexicon]

I only started to read the Sloonei ISO (up until D2), but

- I think I can comfortably take Hyena out of the PoE. Sloonei was really after them D0 and D1, made a huge case, does not look like distancing. Especially since Sloonei's actually distancing and behavior around teammates didn't go anywhere or were very "I can't read this person, I don't know" or "question, critical question, question" with no real consequence or follow up. His handling of Hyena is different, and Hyena put a spotlight on Sloonei very early on as well.

- Interaction looks good for Thunal too. Not as strong, but Sloonei did go Thunal over Cat for a moment, and had some beef with Thunal. The way he talks about her does not feel like teammates.

- No real conclusions on Wilgy, Made or Tim. There's a lot of awkward interaction between Tim and Sloonei. More awkward on Tim's part actually, who seems to be weirdly fixated on Sloonei and take issue with weird things.

But strongest impression is that Hyena in particular and also Thunal look good so far. Will continue later.

[tutuu]

Uh i wouldnt flavor claim

I decide ties between wagons. Thats it

[Dyslexicon]

When people claim, can they just not claim exact name and from what game and what not. I don't think it's a good idea. You can claim without giving out that info. You can just say your power.

[Justplayingitcool]

Sorry

[Dyslexicon]

Uh i wouldnt flavor claim

I decide ties between wagons. Thats it

........yes.

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt how do you think is the mason thing Ted claimed to have with MrR?

ted claimed a mason thing with MR?

[Justplayingitcool]

I assumed the mason thing was just a running joke

[Master Radishes]

@hollowkatt how do you think is the mason thing Ted claimed to have with MrR?

ted claimed a mason thing with MR?

When he subbed in he called me his mason and I accepted. It was clearly a joke, not a serious claim. I recognised it could be pocketing but generally townread his entrance and appreciated someone not scum reading me (as nutella was doing at the time).

[Master Radishes]

I assumed the mason thing was just a running joke

Not a specific one we always do or anything, but we've played together before a few times and yeah it was obviously a joke.

[Dyslexicon]

- I'm actually sympathetic to Michelle's tinfoil on Tutu. If I was to choose a tinfoil at this moment, that would be mine. But I'm not.

- I have like no concept about Alison's claimed wincon and all that. I don't know if we need to take any precautions there in risk of just losing the whole game from some random mechanic.

[Master Radishes]

I only started to read the Sloonei ISO (up until D2), but

- I think I can comfortably take Hyena out of the PoE. Sloonei was really after them D0 and D1, made a huge case, does not look like distancing. Especially since Sloonei's actually distancing and behavior around teammates didn't go anywhere or were very "I can't read this person, I don't know" or "question, critical question, question" with no real consequence or follow up. His handling of Hyena is different, and Hyena put a spotlight on Sloonei very early on as well.

- Interaction looks good for Thunal too. Not as strong, but Sloonei did go Thunal over Cat for a moment, and had some beef with Thunal. The way he talks about her does not feel like teammates.

- No real conclusions on Wilgy, Made or Tim. There's a lot of awkward interaction between Tim and Sloonei. More awkward on Tim's part actually, who seems to be weirdly fixated on Sloonei and take issue with weird things.

But strongest impression is that Hyena in particular and also Thunal look good so far. Will continue later.

I feel the opposite. He eventually dropped his Hyena suss but got stronger on Thunal/HK as time went on. If either is spewed town its probably HK tbh, despite his slot generally being PoE by all standard measures.

Hyena probably is just town too despite also being a sdcummy slot otherwise. Sloonei avoided heavy interaction with his known teammates. Even cat he barely touched despite the suspicion of them in thread.

[Master Radishes]

I'm still up for eliminating Alison and making this a town only win.

[Dyslexicon]

I feel the opposite. He eventually dropped his Hyena suss but got stronger on Thunal/HK as time went on. If either is spewed town its probably HK tbh, despite his slot generally being PoE by all standard measures.

Hyena probably is just town too despite also being a sdcummy slot otherwise. Sloonei avoided heavy interaction with his known teammates. Even cat he barely touched despite the suspicion of them in thread.

Ok, well, I feel the Hyena/Sloonei interaction was too heavy handed to be w/w.

And you're right. His interactions with confirmed scum was pretty blah and inoffensive, even though it had elements of distancing sometimes.

I also tried to look at his interactions with Syn and JPIC, but nothing stood out. They were blah (but obviously, he would have such interactions with town too).

Anyway. I'm supposed to be working now. I'll continue this at a later point and look at Ted too.

[tutuu]

U can have wilgy peek me to ease your godfather paranoias, wilgy is a rolecop so

[Justplayingitcool]

U can have wilgy peek me to ease your godfather paranoias, wilgy is a rolecop so

I don't doubt your ability. Also, even if you were godfather, I'm not even certain if it would show up in a role cop tbh

[Michelle]

@hollowkatt how do you think is the mason thing Ted claimed to have with MrR?

ted claimed a mason thing with MR?

How much did you read from the game and the Isos of flipped scum?

[Michelle]

U can have wilgy peek me to ease your godfather paranoias, wilgy is a rolecop so

What do you think about everyone rn?

[tutuu]

U can have wilgy peek me to ease your godfather paranoias, wilgy is a rolecop so

What do you think about everyone rn?

My poe is wilgy and tim and maybe hyena and i townread everyone else

[tutuu]

Im looking forward to f3

[Dyslexicon]

F3 Tutu, Michelle, Syn go!

[Justplayingitcool]

As long as I don't make it to F3!

[Master Radishes]

I remember seeing a ted/Michelle early game interaction that felt not w/w. I don't remember what now.

[Master Radishes]

It's probably just Wilgy.

[Master Radishes]

Like so far all the mech stuff has made sense and our general PoE has been good...except for Ted. He disrupted us, but aside from him we've been collectivey correct.

Wilgy has not been part of that and has unresolved issues with his role claim.

I don't think this game is as complex as Ted made us fear. It's probably just Wilgy.

[Justplayingitcool]

Yeah, wilgy really is the only person who I don't have any reason to town read

[Michelle]

Im looking forward to f3

F3 Tutu, Michelle, Syn go!

Don't you have mercy?

[Michelle]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Do you think this is for a mate? @Master Radishes ?

[tutuu]

Im looking forward to f3

F3 Tutu, Michelle, Syn go!

Don't you have mercy?

If u leave behind your hopes and dreams and have no expectations u cant get disappointed BigSmart

[tutuu]

voted tim

[Michelle]

Im looking forward to f3

F3 Tutu, Michelle, Syn go!

Don't you have mercy?

If u leave behind your hopes and dreams and have no expectations u cant get disappointed BigSmart

Idk what BigSmart means

[Justplayingitcool]

If it isn't wilgy then how on earth did he land on dizzy?

[Master Radishes]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Do you think this is for a mate? @Master Radishes ?

Why not?

Ted went hard at Wilgy at the end. Could be a scum knowing it'd be the only thing that might save one of them. Imagine we'd flipped a wolf Wilgy instead - we would be probably giving Ted a chance now and believe him more.

And Wilgy getting a result in Dizzy's role makes no sense. Last time something about a role made no sense it turned out the wolf, Ted, was just lying.

[tutuu]

I just made that up imagine my forehead getting humongous coz of my brain

[Justplayingitcool]

Also, role cops are traditionally a scum role in my experience.

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt how do you think is the mason thing Ted claimed to have with MrR?

ted claimed a mason thing with MR?

How much did you read from the game and the Isos of flipped scum?

I read about a page of cat, that's it for isos. I'm reading the thread all the time, doesn't mean I know/ remember everything... why?

[Kylemii]

Reason to clear people/trustfall (not really, just where I'm at and what I've been paying attention to)

Jack - Literally flipped town.
TSP - Checked town by Jack and could have protected people for the no NKs.
Kyle - Red checked Ted and shot Nanook.
MR - Checked town by Jack, but has a weird role I don't understand, but whatever. Has seemed reasonably town most game bth.
LC - Double outed Ted with Tracking, was checked town by Kyle on N2 (?)
Michelle - Was switched with Ted by Ted and received a song on N1.
Tutu - Was checked town by Kyle on N3 (no block on Kyle that night)
Syn - Still has wim, chose the Marmot wagon, seems very town in posting imo
JPIC - Reasonably town posting and received a song on N2.

^All of these are people I have reason to believe is town.

The rest:

Alison - Claims 3p and all actions have checked out. 3p.

Wilgy - Claims a weird role that he holstered the first nights. Then became role checker. Checked Michelle, but got my role somehow? This is unresolved. Ted really wanted Wilgy dead. Wilgy tried to go other places with Ted at EoD. Not cleared imo.
Hyena - Has dropped off in activity. Sets up btsc with people. Otherwise reasonable posting, I think? Not cleared though. Comments?
Made - Weirdest claim yet. No idea what role is. Liked his posting in the start of the game, liked it less and less tbh. But I have no idea here.
HK - I don't remember claim, but claims a passive role. I actually don't think they are scum, but I also don't think they are cleared?
Tim - Claims vig every 3rd night. No shots has gone through though. Worst laser in history, including Space game? lol.

How does this all sound?

There's definitely town in the bottom five. Maybe 3-4 town. But I think there should be a mafia there too?

purely objectively speaking, Tim isn't lying about at least being able to kill

[Kylemii]

or "subjectively" I'm too sleepy to google the difference

[hollowkatt]

Reason to clear people/trustfall (not really, just where I'm at and what I've been paying attention to)

Jack - Literally flipped town.
TSP - Checked town by Jack and could have protected people for the no NKs.
Kyle - Red checked Ted and shot Nanook.
MR - Checked town by Jack, but has a weird role I don't understand, but whatever. Has seemed reasonably town most game bth.
LC - Double outed Ted with Tracking, was checked town by Kyle on N2 (?)
Michelle - Was switched with Ted by Ted and received a song on N1.
Tutu - Was checked town by Kyle on N3 (no block on Kyle that night)
Syn - Still has wim, chose the Marmot wagon, seems very town in posting imo
JPIC - Reasonably town posting and received a song on N2.

^All of these are people I have reason to believe is town.

The rest:

Alison - Claims 3p and all actions have checked out. 3p.

Wilgy - Claims a weird role that he holstered the first nights. Then became role checker. Checked Michelle, but got my role somehow? This is unresolved. Ted really wanted Wilgy dead. Wilgy tried to go other places with Ted at EoD. Not cleared imo.
Hyena - Has dropped off in activity. Sets up btsc with people. Otherwise reasonable posting, I think? Not cleared though. Comments?
Made - Weirdest claim yet. No idea what role is. Liked his posting in the start of the game, liked it less and less tbh. But I have no idea here.
HK - I don't remember claim, but claims a passive role. I actually don't think they are scum, but I also don't think they are cleared?
Tim - Claims vig every 3rd night. No shots has gone through though. Worst laser in history, including Space game? lol.

How does this all sound?

There's definitely town in the bottom five. Maybe 3-4 town. But I think there should be a mafia there too?

Seems reasonable to me. I agree with the clear reasoning, makes sense.
Of the yellow chunk Im' most suspecting Wiggly, then Tim I think.
Here's why it's just wiggly tho: All day yesterday it was a dome between wiggly and ted, yeah? Then somehow, at the end of the day, they're working together for chopping someone else.
Like wiggly was dead sure that Ted was a wolf right? How do you progress from "this is the dome I'm in" to "I'll work with my former dome enemy to chop someone else".
Kinda doesn't make sense to me at all. [VOTE: Wiggly] aubergine

[Kylemii]

Probably @Kylemii can confirm what Alison said?

all of that stuff is consistent with stuff I've been told.

I mean I haven't asked about the double targeting thing but alison has no reason to lie about that.

factional kills aren't role abilities though, and the thief ability is very specific about that, I can't even steal other gambit demon abilities

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt how do you think is the mason thing Ted claimed to have with MrR?

ted claimed a mason thing with MR?

When he subbed in he called me his mason and I accepted. It was clearly a joke, not a serious claim. I recognised it could be pocketing but generally townread his entrance and appreciated someone not scum reading me (as nutella was doing at the time).

I assumed the mason thing was just a running joke

Not a specific one we always do or anything, but we've played together before a few times and yeah it was obviously a joke.

i can't separate hating this on face value, and hating this b/c I've been burned vv recently on fake mason claims.

[Kylemii]

what to heck

rip jack and tony

[hollowkatt]

what to heck

rip jack and tony

the fuck just happened..

[Syn]

so about that wim

[Long Con]

My theory is that there was some host mistakes and some recalibration of equity was needed for the wolf team, and tutus explanation of the mod kill and the lack of protection for Jack makes sense.

[Syn]

My theory is that there was some host mistakes and some recalibration of equity was needed for the wolf team, and tutus explanation of the mod kill and the lack of protection for Jack makes sense.

why are you ignoring every request for finding out who you tracked last night

[Long Con]

Recalibration of equity would be needed if my track on Ted was supposed to see Michelle, but didn't.