The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:16 pm Since I was too busy winning my family a second vacation when this happened, I'll ask now:

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:59 pm Ok, I'm changing my vote to sabie. That quote against nutella's read summary really didn't look good. Creature I'm voting based on his meta and I've decided that isn't as strong as the sable case.

linki, Oh sorry Dizzy I should have brought that quote forward.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:14 pm I thought I found something important with that nutella quote but maybe I was too hasty. I hate that this is happening at EOD.

linki, ok timmer you're right about being able to defend. Lets Lynch Creature.

juliets, what did you think you found that was important regarding the nutella quote?

That the timing of it against sable's post and the number of reads it contained supported the theory that sable slipped. I will be happy to explain more tomorrow if you don't understand what I'm saying, but I have to go to bed.

linki, ok thanks

I voted for Jack.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:12 pm So when we last left us, sabie was the leader to be lynched and Creature took it instead. I won't say I'm sad to be without his cheerful company, but someone please explain to me why sabie wasn't the better option.

It's kind of blah to defend now after he flipped town, but I thought he was more likely scum out of the two. Him flipping town makes the D1 Rej wagon not necessarily so sketchy boots though, and the off-wagon voters may be more sketchy boot.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:19 pm Well, the post says he was a hero so I guess RIP Quin. Also apologies to you Creature, I won't try to meta read you again.

I will start my day with a vote for @sabie12

And goodnight!

Why though+ Because of the "slip" that still may or may not be a slip?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:23 pm I voted for Jack.

Spicy.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Bad feels from the start tbh. Don't see town game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:12 pm So when we last left us, sabie was the leader to be lynched and Creature took it instead. I won't say I'm sad to be without his cheerful company, but someone please explain to me why sabie wasn't the better option.

It's kind of blah to defend now after he flipped town, but I thought he was more likely scum out of the two. Him flipping town makes the D1 Rej wagon not necessarily so sketchy boots though, and the off-wagon voters may be more sketchy boot.

I'm not asking anyone to defend someone who is a dead civilian. That's pointless.

I'm asking why sabie wasn't the better option. You're avoiding that conversation. I think you protected sabie.

Oh, and now you're voting Michelle.

Excellent.

My vote is on Dyslexicon now.

Yeah, Sloonei was a weak civilian. I should have called him out from the beginning but I didn't.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:12 pm So when we last left us, sabie was the leader to be lynched and Creature took it instead. I won't say I'm sad to be without his cheerful company, but someone please explain to me why sabie wasn't the better option.

It's kind of blah to defend now after he flipped town, but I thought he was more likely scum out of the two. Him flipping town makes the D1 Rej wagon not necessarily so sketchy boots though, and the off-wagon voters may be more sketchy boot.

I'm not asking anyone to defend someone who is a dead civilian. That's pointless.

I'm asking why sabie wasn't the better option. You're avoiding that conversation. I think you protected sabie.

I'm still town /shrugface. My reason for voting Creature is in my posts though. Recap is that I had a bad feeling from his cheap shot at me D1 which followed when I replaced in again, his whole wagon D1 was confirmed town or not mafia and then I didn't like the "I don't care but I do care at EoD" attitude. Also Creature flipping town > Sabie flipping town was my thinking (but if Sabie continues to lurk I'm not sure I agree with that anymore). In regards to Sabie she could go either way for me because she has barely posted. I noticed one thing that I found suspicious about her in her posts (the "Nut has had wrong reads" part), but it might just be referencing the already flipped people or something Sabie just said. Do you have reasons for Sabie being scum?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:37 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:12 pm So when we last left us, sabie was the leader to be lynched and Creature took it instead. I won't say I'm sad to be without his cheerful company, but someone please explain to me why sabie wasn't the better option.

It's kind of blah to defend now after he flipped town, but I thought he was more likely scum out of the two. Him flipping town makes the D1 Rej wagon not necessarily so sketchy boots though, and the off-wagon voters may be more sketchy boot.

I'm not asking anyone to defend someone who is a dead civilian. That's pointless.

I'm asking why sabie wasn't the better option. You're avoiding that conversation. I think you protected sabie.

I'm still town /shrugface. My reason for voting Creature is in my posts though. Recap is that I had a bad feeling from his cheap shot at me D1 which followed when I replaced in again, his whole wagon D1 was confirmed town or not mafia and then I didn't like the "I don't care but I do care at EoD" attitude. Also Creature flipping town > Sabie flipping town was my thinking (but if Sabie continues to lurk I'm not sure I agree with that anymore). In regards to Sabie she could go either way for me because she has barely posted. I noticed one thing that I found suspicious about her in her posts (the "Nut has had wrong reads" part), but it might just be referencing the already flipped people or something Sabie just said. Do you have reasons for Sabie being scum?

You noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:32 pm Yeah, Sloonei was a weak civilian. I should have called him out from the beginning but I didn't.

I don't understand why you're voting me but ok. You can look at my posts and see if my suspicions on Creature was fake or not. I've had the same view with me on this game from D1 and now, so it shouldn't really be that hard to figure me out imo.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:40 pmYou noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Yes? What's your point?

Look, if sabie is a civilian, then whatever.

We have sabie six posts.

Creature "I am bored with this site I wish I was out of this game"

sprityo has a whopping four posts.

What am I to do with that?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:40 pmYou noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Yes? What's your point?

You finding one suspicious post when she has six is hardly inspiring.

Michelle and Drag is in my susp pile
Sabie and Sprit in my meh pile

And my initial feeling is I want to lynch among these. Sabie might provide a lot of info actually, cause if she's scum people who cared about D4 lynch can be looked at, and if she is town people who don't cared are more susp. Generally.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:43 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:40 pmYou noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Yes? What's your point?

You finding one suspicious post when she has six is hardly inspiring.

I still don't get your point. I found one specific sentence actually, that I found suspicious. And LC and Juliets agreed with me on that.

I despise the argument that we lynch on the basis of gathering information.

Number one, it means you don't actually suspect sabie, but you want to lynch her anyway. That's how mafia get away with bullshit lynches.

Number two, you don't get information. You get circumstantial evidence.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:43 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:40 pmYou noticed one thing suspicious about her in her posts?

She has six fucking posts!

Yes? What's your point?

You finding one suspicious post when she has six is hardly inspiring.

I still don't get your point. I found one specific sentence actually, that I found suspicious. And LC and Juliets agreed with me on that.

She has six posts. What in the hell else can you find suspicious? There's nothing there. That's my point.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 pm I despise the argument that we lynch on the basis of gathering information.

Number one, it means you don't actually suspect sabie, but you want to lynch her anyway. That's how mafia get away with bullshit lynches.

Number two, you don't get information. You get circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, I don't really love it either or think it's a good reason to lynch. But I would like to know Sabie's alignment. It's not something I look away from as a factor, but it's not the reason we should lynch anyone on this stage (or hardly at any stage)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:46 pm I despise the argument that we lynch on the basis of gathering information.

Number one, it means you don't actually suspect sabie, but you want to lynch her anyway. That's how mafia get away with bullshit lynches.

Number two, you don't get information. You get circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, I don't really love it either or think it's a good reason to lynch. But I would like to know Sabie's alignment. It's not something I look away from as a factor, but it's not the reason we should lynch anyone on this stage (or hardly at any stage)

What's your take on juliets?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:47 pmShe has six posts. What in the hell else can you find suspicious? There's nothing there. That's my point.

But there was. Or at least I thought so when I saw it the first time around. I don't understand where you're coming from right now or if you're arguing just to argue

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:50 pmWhat's your take on juliets?

Probably town because of the derp

Or she could be SK I guess

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:51 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:47 pmShe has six posts. What in the hell else can you find suspicious? There's nothing there. That's my point.

But there was. Or at least I thought so when I saw it the first time around. I don't understand where you're coming from right now or if you're arguing just to argue

sabie has six posts. Trying to come up with how she is or is not suspicious is a futile attempt. She hasn't done anything. You are putting too much into her posts when there's nothing to go on now that we're in Day 5. It's phony to me.

Juliets, Timmer, not mafia
Owner, probably town.
LC and Jack both light town, but I could probably be wrong on them

I advocated lynching sabie because she's dead weight to the civilian faction. That still holds true now. You tried to analyze her posts, which seemed like overkill.

Although since it's just you and me talking, if you're bad I'm probably fucked anyway you look at it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:53 pmsabie has six posts. Trying to come up with how she is or is not suspicious is a futile attempt. She hasn't done anything. You are putting too much into her posts when there's nothing to go on now that we're in Day 5. It's phony to me.

Few posts ago I was "protecting" her? I don't know what to tell you. My reads are genuine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm I advocated lynching sabie because she's dead weight to the civilian faction. That still holds true now. You tried to analyze her posts, which seemed like overkill.

What the actual fuck. I tried to analyze posts that is overkill? Are you serious right now. That is how I play mafia. I read posts and analyze them.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:53 pmsabie has six posts. Trying to come up with how she is or is not suspicious is a futile attempt. She hasn't done anything. You are putting too much into her posts when there's nothing to go on now that we're in Day 5. It's phony to me.

Few posts ago I was "protecting" her? I don't know what to tell you. My reads are genuine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think you're fine. I'll move my vote.

Epi - Why was Sabie such an obvious better lynch to you than Creature who you also supported a lynch on if your case on her is that she is dead weight?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm I advocated lynching sabie because she's dead weight to the civilian faction. That still holds true now. You tried to analyze her posts, which seemed like overkill.

What the actual fuck. I tried to analyze posts that is overkill? Are you serious right now. That is how I play mafia. I read posts and analyze them.

My gripe was that you acted like sabie had a variety of posts to sort through. She had six. Analyzing six posts is pointless.

But I'm not concerned. I just wish you had voted sabie and not Creature and now you are voting Michelle for reasons I don't understand.

I really really want lurkers to post a lot today.

[mention]sabie12[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention] [mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention]
Please catch up and give your input when you can.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:58 pm Epi - Why was Sabie such an obvious better lynch to you than Creature who you also supported a lynch on if your case on her is that she is dead weight?

sabie is dead weight. Six posts. I can't work with that. She is also someone who has been around but not posting. She is someone who would be keen on taking out certain Syndicate regulars. I think the pieces fit.

Creature was a curmudgeon who wasn't helpful in the slightest. I didn't suspect him per se, but I'm not sorry he's out. I don't want to play and hear little bullshit complaints. I hear those in real life.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:00 pmMy gripe was that you acted like sabie had a variety of posts to sort through. She had six. Analyzing six posts is pointless.

But I'm not concerned. I just wish you had voted sabie and not Creature and now you are voting Michelle for reasons I don't understand.

I didn't "act like that". When the Sabie wagon formed I didn't remember any post of Sabie (maybe I was dead all the time she posted). So I found a post of her and clicked her ISO. I didn't know there were only Six. And then in it I found something that struck me.

I'm voting for Michelle cause she doesn't vibe town to me like she did in the Champs game I watched. I felt she was pretty easy to identify as town there, and I don't see any actual scum hunting from Michelle in this game. That is pretty much my reason. If Sabie is town my vote is arguably just as bad or good. I'm not against lynching Sabie, I just think it's more of a gamble, but what can you do if she doesn't post.

Fair enough.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:58 pm Epi - Why was Sabie such an obvious better lynch to you than Creature who you also supported a lynch on if your case on her is that she is dead weight?

sabie is dead weight. Six posts. I can't work with that. She is also someone who has been around but not posting. She is someone who would be keen on taking out certain Syndicate regulars. I think the pieces fit.

Creature was a curmudgeon who wasn't helpful in the slightest. I didn't suspect him per se, but I'm not sorry he's out. I don't want to play and hear little bullshit complaints. I hear those in real life.

I was probably killed by mafia first though. I think I have played one game maybe with Sabie, so I don't see how I fit that kill theory. But ok

Probably fine to have Sabie as a wagon today. I'm sticking with Michelle for now though. Also sleep time for me.

This game better not be just Epi talking to himself when I come back.

Thursdays are light for me, so everybody is getting a read through.

Friday will be busy again, unfortunately.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:01 pm I really really want lurkers to post a lot today.

@sabie12 @sprityo @Owner of a Lonely Heart
Please catch up and give your input when you can.

I’ll try

Hello.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:20 pm Quin's fine. Read his role.

Where? Cause I am not seeing this information.

I'm home. I'm probably still behind a bit. Who did Quin 2.0 replace?

[quote=Dyslexicon post_id=550633 time=1565233275 user_id=499]
I really really want lurkers to post a lot today.

sabie12 sprityo Owner of a Lonely Heart
Please catch up and give your input when you can.

Meow.

I can post some now and probably some tomorrow evening.

I kind of want to look at a lot of people. A lot being at least 4 people, that I remember being suspicious of at sometime or another.

^^^ oops ebwop

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:07 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:01 pm I really really want lurkers to post a lot today.

sabie12 sprityo Owner of a Lonely Heart
Please catch up and give your input when you can.

Meow.

I can post some now and probably some tomorrow evening.

I kind of want to look at a lot of people. A lot being at least 4 people, that I remember being suspicious of at sometime or another.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm Juliets, Timmer, not mafia
Owner, probably town.
LC and Jack both light town, but I could probably be wrong on them

Why juliets and timmer for not mafia?

And why the light town reads on LC and Jack?

Also, why are you not paranoid of me?

I guess I'm debating if dizzy 2.0 is in your scum range or not. Cause your scum range play is less active than your town play.

You also didn't die or don't remember you getting voted aside from what Epi 2.0 said today. I guess him having thoughts to vote for you might lean you townish, but l'm not sure if I like all of Sloonei's posts.

I think Sloonei was the one you replaced...right?!?!?

A post I wanted to make last night.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pm Okay Dom in the other game which we can now talk about you were town and pursued a case about another townie aggressively. Here you "lead" the case against Nutella except that was basically an ISO and a vote; you put more substance into the case here but to me it seemed like it lacked the same passion. Maybe I'm wrong. Obviously different circumstances and all that, but someone said something I think in this game that gave me the impression that you are in fact generally a very aggressive player and that is not the impression I've gotten so far. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

I think its fairly aggressively to pursue a player for several days and then create a massive iso which results in their lynch.
Who else got nutella lynched?
You?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pm On the "vague case" thing. Yes it's vague. Oh well. I think you're scum. I don't have a wall of evidence. Most good players aren't going to leave behind a wall of evidence. Also Nutella would still have full interest in hunting scum given her role; the fact that she was neutral doesn't make that case any less viable.

"Most good players aren't going to leave behind a wall of evidence" doesn't quite square with "Basically an iso and a vote"
Which is it? Am I a bad player or a good player? Am I bad because I didn't try enough or am I bad because I left behind a wall of evidence? Why is your standard different than mine?

You're not just not throwing strikes, bro. You're pelting the batter.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pmOn the "whatever to whoever" thing. Fair I guess. I tried to define "off" but it didn't really go so well. To clear things up I didn't intend for equal opportunity attacker to be negative and when I reviewed some of your games I saw a lot of posts of the same style so I'm going to call it NAI.

But you didn't say that. And you spent the day trying to lynch me.
So... what does "off" mean? It didn't go well, you're right. Why? Let's unpack that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pmOn the salad thing (which I'm getting very defensive about and if when the game is over I was in fact correct you guys are gonna be hearing about it): it's not? I don't think? I don't see the connection between my attempt to generate discussion on mafia teams and me giving any sort of non-committal preferences on lynches, which is what I thought salad is. Please enlighten me if I am in fact wrong.

Weird that I didn't accuse you of salad-ing, but rather, Jack.
Any reason why you're defensive on that?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:23 pm I voted for Jack.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm I advocated lynching sabie because she's dead weight to the civilian faction. That still holds true now. You tried to analyze her posts, which seemed like overkill.

OK... if we hve no other options, sure.

But... like... who's bad?

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

whattup dude let's play