The Syndicate

If you’re gonna scumread me then do it.

If not I don’t see a point to this, I’m stepping back so you can do your thing.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:56 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:53 pm Sprit voted both me and tony, but was his vote on himself the whole time?
There isnt much more we are gonna get out of this unless he comes back, but from his last post, his intentions definitely were to leave his vote on me. But its also clear he doesnt care at all where is actual vote goes

his vote was on you before. he only recently switched to himself. i have no idea why or if he intends to leave it there or what

ya we just kill that
his statement makes no sense, "see ya'll at night"

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:28 am You two are just W/W and this whole thing with the clash of playstyles is just elaborate scum theater and I'm not buying it sorry

this conveys Alison/LC. Alison's aware that it does it's a level one read on my part. But pointing that out.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:28 am You two are just W/W and this whole thing with the clash of playstyles is just elaborate scum theater and I'm not buying it sorry

also. I make this read very frequently. I think day 1 clashes are almost always v/v or w/w. Here, there are some differences, but I shouldn't probably read into this.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:28 am You two are just W/W and this whole thing with the clash of playstyles is just elaborate scum theater and I'm not buying it sorry

this conveys Alison/LC. Alison's aware that it does it's a level one read on my part. But pointing that out.

yea, ive had lc/alison as a possible tinfoil. alison buses lc for cred and links jay to him on the way down so she can push jay next

seems like a kind of play alison might do but who knows

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:52 am Note:

Whatever people’s alignment, anyone who deliberately robs me of my voting agency is either an absurdly overconfident civilian or a flat mafioso.

oh I forgot about your role

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:02 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:28 am You two are just W/W and this whole thing with the clash of playstyles is just elaborate scum theater and I'm not buying it sorry

this conveys Alison/LC. Alison's aware that it does it's a level one read on my part. But pointing that out.

yea, ive had lc/alison as a possible tinfoil. alison buses lc for cred and links jay to him on the way down so she can push jay next

seems like a kind of play alison might do but who knows

idk though, feels unnecessary to start bussing lc so early because its not like his slot was unsalvageable at that point

you reminding us about your role is weird

i also dont understand alisons continuous effort to tie me to fg. does she think we’re teammates? does she think im scum white knighting fg? idk im just not sure what it is shes harping on or what relevance it has to my alignment

if jays role is exactly as he claims it is—and this is obviously a big “if”—i think its always a town or maybe 3P role. mafia’s voting power is very important given their small numbers and i dont really believe a host would saddle one of their members with a role that requires them to vote where theyre told. nullifying the voting power of a mafia member is rarely done ime unless theres some catch to it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:39 am does spirityo do this "I refuse to put in effort" thing every game or just this one

Not every game, but it’s not exactly a rarity either

Not particularly alignment indicative. I've seen it wielded as scum/3P to great success.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:50 am Why is TSP voting for me in the poll?

are you a wolf?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:57 am @sabie12 I don’t want you to get chopped. You misunderstood me.

I mean like you're giving the mafia ideas to get rid of me. Don't encourage that. Not cooool

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:30 am I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

I don't think I've ever said this before but I'm okay voting for Colin.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:07 am WOW 30 pages to catch up on good lord

never mind colin showed up

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:36 pm @Long Con what is your read on Epignosis?

Monday he was mostly mechanics and jokes. Questions Nanook's townlean on him, nothing much to work with.
Tuesday he calls you out for not posting... I think that happened in a recent game or something? Were you scum in that? I forget. Still pretty level 0 null read.
Throws a vote on Colin the nonposter, which doesn't really impress me with towniness, I guess it's an extension of the mindset that called you out earlier. Still mostly banter.
Town read on Nanook, pretty uncontroversial, some issue I have with all of Kitsu's reads.

Says Nanook is unlynchable on Day 1.

I don't like that. I don't know if town Epignosis just accepts someone being unlynchable, let alone proposes it. I expect an "I'll lynch anyone, any day, if I think they're bad, and if you don't like it, stick it" attitude from Epignosis, so this rings fake on a reread.

"Alison has a 23 posts to 0 instances of the word "pure" ratio." Half joke, half possibly-apt analysis. I like this post a little more than I disliked the last one.

His response to the sauces is okayish. Toe the party line on town reads, and question the ones with less aggressive early solving, maybe?

Questions FG's post in a pretty neutral way. Feels like he should have something more to say, or at least engage with it a little more. Is it an FG suspicion?

Tosses bad reads on low posters in GTH, the only mildly interesting call is his bad on FG, which I guess is based on the line above this one. More funnygurl shade soon follows, for posting but "saying nothing".

Then he votes for DrWilgy, which is, as I said yesterday when looking over Wilgy's meagre ISO, super-weak. What happened to the almost 100% funnygurl-only suspicion line? Was that just for w/w show?

Epignosis is not a town read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:09 pm Comments coming soon.

Spoiler: show

I don't put much stock in this exercise either, but LC has one "bad" and it's Kitsushel? Over Colin and Wilgy?

@Long Con please tell me about this post.

It appears that Epignosis believes, like the majority of the thread, that Kitsu is a clear townread, and that he thinks that Colin and Wilgy are better options for suspicion.

The issue I see with this post is that I asked him right away, "Why should I think Colin and Wilgy are bad?" and he didn't respond to it or try for further dialogue. That increases my suspicion of him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:59 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

He yelled obnoxiously about the concern I stated regarding his 9:1 good:bad GTH reads ratio. He has treated me like confirmed mafia and refused to budge a hair without talking to me on the level about any of it.

Epignosis ripped LC for the same 9:1 ratio. LC responded to that with a joke about KitsuShel’s username.

LC’s suspicion of me is fake. It is driven by an agenda to challenge me and disrupt the game state I have helped to construct.

First of all, Epignosis asked a question. He didn't even accuse me of anything or try to put suspicion on me. There is not much similarity between your two posts except that they both discuss my GTH results.

Second, I didn't just give the reason I badded KitsuShel, I directly asked Epignosis about his post in an attempt to engage him, and he didn't reply.

Third, there's nothing fake about anything I'm doing, and I do not have an agenda. You can't conceive of someone suspecting you without it being a big fake agenda. My reasons are out there very clearly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:29 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:50 pm Naw, I said my piece, NANOOK just reinforced what I claimed. I see it as bad. That my opinion. I’m keeping my vote here

Maybe I missed something but your vote is on yourself. What gives lad

That's a scumtell I've not seen for a long time... a long time.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:54 am Btw I have about 7 pages left to catch up on, but .... I’m a miller

how the heck did he read that so quickly? how did he get through so many posts before claiming miller? these questions are half serious.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:58 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:23 pm sprityo and wigly have still done nothing despite being here

idk why people are voting colin when he hasnt posted yet. its not really gonna do anything

Since I am town, I am giving +1 town credit to everyone who said they didn’t get a vote for me at this juncture — mafia would know I’m not on their team and should be happy to see a completely wasted lynch of a non-poster

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:24 pm I don't think I've ever said this before but I'm okay voting for Colin.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:30 am I continue to feel great about the state of the game. I am comfortable with my civilian reads; indeed that is only becoming more true as Day 1 progresses.

My clear POE pool remains: ColinIsCool, DrWilgy, sprityo, Long Con, and Funnygurl555. I said earlier in the phase that my goal was a pool of seven, so I have room for two more on the tinfoil side. I’d look first to Alison and TonyStarkPrime for that “tier”.

Anyone who has severe misgivings about this arrangement (ideally beyond “I’m on the list, how dare you”) should speak up.

Jay is checking off all of the boxes on the classically scum list. It makes me... uncomfortable.

I have interest in this concept.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] im curious where you’re at with things atm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:41 pm @sprityo you're voting yourself. i'll be voting for you until that moves

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

well.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose @JaggedJimmyJay

why are you following it? how do you read epi and lc?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose @JaggedJimmyJay

why are you following it? how do you read epi and lc?

both are probably around 35% wolf.

lc is townie town town town

woooooooooooooooooooo look at that epi case

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:48 pm lc is townie town town town

why?

to me it feels like lc is simply hopping from one person to another to see where he can gain any traction

jay mildly susses him, lc screams for his head and votes him

some people tr kitsu, lc votes her not because he sr’s her but because he doesnt think she should be tr

jay asks lc what his read on epi is, lc pulls out suspicion on epi from nowhere and votes him

it all feels pretty unnatural tbh. im not seeing a town waterfall here, im seeing a wolfy plinko board

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:06 pm i also dont understand alisons continuous effort to tie me to fg. does she think we’re teammates? does she think im scum white knighting fg? idk im just not sure what it is shes harping on or what relevance it has to my alignment

yeah, she's making associations that fmpov i know are wrong so idk if she's doing it in bad faith or no. but ya know, we'll see

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:49 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:48 pm lc is townie town town town

why?

look at that epi case

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose @JaggedJimmyJay

why are you following it? how do you read epi and lc?

both are probably around 35% wolf.

can you rephrase without a percentage? sorry

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:49 pm to me it feels like lc is simply hopping from one person to another to see where he can gain any traction

jay mildly susses him, lc screams for his head and votes him

some people tr kitsu, lc votes her not because he sr’s her but because he doesnt think she should be tr

jay asks lc what his read on epi is, lc pulls out suspicion on epi from nowhere and votes him

it all feels pretty unnatural tbh. im not seeing a town waterfall here, im seeing a wolfy plinko board

my counter to this is lc is looking outside of viable kill options atm and not the people with a substantial amount of votes

he could just be solving

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:50 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:49 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:48 pm lc is townie town town town

why?

look at that epi case

to me it doesnt look like a case for epi being scum. it looks more like his kitsu “case.” like a “why is this person a tr, im gonna vote them”

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose @JaggedJimmyJay

why are you following it? how do you read epi and lc?

both are probably around 35% wolf.

can you rephrase without a percentage? sorry

both are slightly >rand wolf but I don't have a substantial grasp on either

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:54 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:50 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:49 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:48 pm lc is townie town town town

why?

look at that epi case

to me it doesnt look like a case for epi being scum. it looks more like his kitsu “case.” like a “why is this person a tr, im gonna vote them”

to be clear that's what my vote is

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:49 pm to me it feels like lc is simply hopping from one person to another to see where he can gain any traction

jay mildly susses him, lc screams for his head and votes him

some people tr kitsu, lc votes her not because he sr’s her but because he doesnt think she should be tr

jay asks lc what his read on epi is, lc pulls out suspicion on epi from nowhere and votes him

it all feels pretty unnatural tbh. im not seeing a town waterfall here, im seeing a wolfy plinko board

my counter to this is lc is looking outside of viable kill options atm and not the people with a substantial amount of votes

he could just be solving

im sure he will self pres onto a viable wagon at EoD if need be

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:54 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose @JaggedJimmyJay

why are you following it? how do you read epi and lc?

both are probably around 35% wolf.

can you rephrase without a percentage? sorry

both are slightly >rand wolf but I don't have a substantial grasp on either

ok, then why are you sheeping lc’s vote if you think hes >rand wolf?

i dont think fg and lc are w/w. i dont believe fg treats lc with this kind of undying love if they’re teammates. more likely theyre v/w and one of them has pocketed the other

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:54 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:39 pm [VOTE: epi] aubergine

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose @JaggedJimmyJay

why are you following it? how do you read epi and lc?

both are probably around 35% wolf.

can you rephrase without a percentage? sorry

both are slightly >rand wolf but I don't have a substantial grasp on either

ok, then why are you sheeping lc’s vote if you think hes >rand wolf?

I don't think I can explain this adequately. Chalk it up to philosophical differences. It's not that it doesn't bother me, but I've determined that the vote is fine anyways. I might reevaluate towards eod.

I've scumread FG strongly in both of the games we've played and she was town in both. I don't really get different vibes here, maybe a little quieter?

i also doubt lc and tony are w/w because i dont think w!tony is like “im blatantly sheeping my wolfbro’s vote on epi”

idk i dont think two wolves do that sort of thing lol

Wait have we played three?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:00 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:54 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:42 pm

I'll follow this for now.

Why is Epi not in Jay's POE?

I suppose @JaggedJimmyJay

why are you following it? how do you read epi and lc?

both are probably around 35% wolf.

can you rephrase without a percentage? sorry

both are slightly >rand wolf but I don't have a substantial grasp on either

ok, then why are you sheeping lc’s vote if you think hes >rand wolf?

I don't think I can explain this adequately. Chalk it up to philosophical differences. It's not that it doesn't bother me, but I've determined that the vote is fine anyways. I might reevaluate towards eod.

ok

I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:04 pm I like LC's case.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

how do you read lc?

its extremely weird to me that two people just sheep lc onto epi and idk what it means

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:49 pm to me it feels like lc is simply hopping from one person to another to see where he can gain any traction

jay mildly susses him, lc screams for his head and votes him

some people tr kitsu, lc votes her not because he sr’s her but because he doesnt think she should be tr

jay asks lc what his read on epi is, lc pulls out suspicion on epi from nowhere and votes him

it all feels pretty unnatural tbh. im not seeing a town waterfall here, im seeing a wolfy plinko board

I hope you stick around The Syndicate. You'll have a chance to learn how to read me without falling back on safe-sounding metaphors.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:06 pm its extremely weird to me that two people just sheep lc onto epi and idk what it means

It means chill the f out with your huge assumption that I'm autobad, and start treating me like most players in this game?