The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:19 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:39 pmI think the only heavily AI post MP7 has made is their reads list. The rest is pure politeness and niceness. Im like wondering if anyone can be that nice all the time in real life. it must be fake to get townread. tinfoil for now, but not tinfoil if it turns out to be true. You know, for post game cred.

I'm not really here, but wanted to just comment on this. MP is always super polite and nice, regardless of alignment. She's town in real life. Goals tbh

Why in the world would I ever fake any of that to be townread? You know what, I'm not sure engaging with that is worth it, but I wanted the sentiment out there.

I appreciate the affirmation, Dizzy. I try, but I... certainly am far from perfect.

You know, I'm really not in the mood for this, I'm sorry. I'll try again later.

Hmm, an interesting development.

I was pretty sure Urist had been softing cop (and I was dumb for not getting it) but now Tutuu is hard claiming cop, so Urist is now mega sus in my eyes.


So my reads list.

Tutu - Cop claim - uncced.
Proto - Villy claim - never rescinding

Town (highest town equity to lowest)

Jeraldooo - need more posts but going off their one AI post, I could see town jeraldooo having all/most of those reads as a new player coming to forum and having no meta with the players.

Alison - im paranoid about alison, but thinking about it all, she wanted to vote Michelle and Urist who I now think are mafia. This is consistent with Alison being town although she says she is a serial busser of partners. I voted Nanook over urist mainly because at the time, I thought Alison was scummier than Urist and Alison was voting for Urist.

Cobbler - needs more posts but I get a decent town feel.


Null (town to scum within null list)

Dizzy - probably town, but they are supposed to be good at this game, and they keep calling me scum. Either they need to get better at reading me, I need to get better at projecting town, or Dizzy is mafia.

MP7 - need more AI posts to sort. LC said be wary. I am.

1612 - last post was really weird from 1612. It doesnt read like his thought process. @jeraldooo and [mention]Lavender[/mention] back me up here. The other posts starting "oh boy" etc sound like 1612 speaking. Need more from 1612 before I lock them as scum or town.


Scum (highest mafia equity to lowest)

Urist - had been softing cop by saying he knows im town, doesnt need to explain it, will explain it if it looks like I will be condemned etc. I dont think anyone can credibly cc Tutuu here, probably one of the hardest people to win a cc cop fight against because shes so polarised as a player. Also baited out a cop claim too early imo unless tutuu has a redcheck. Even if tutuu has a redcheck, dont think cop always has to out here with 2 alive. Tutuu was never in danger of dying D2, so only question is whether they would have died N2.

Michelle - on re-read and iso, I dont like their posts and kind of think Alison was right to push for her on Day 1.

Lavender - his progression on me is nonexistant. Nothing is explained. His last updated reads list is like wtf dude, you cant just constantly change all of your reads and say everything was a reaction test. You are like trying to be too weird to be mafia, but you are probably just mafia here now. Either way, you are going to be scumread and in everyones POE for yeetville.

Lavender wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:34 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:25 am Why is proto scum, Lavender?

this:

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.

and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no

this aged well since Michelle is not a PR unless she ccs cop, and scirrius was a town PR who I stopped pushing.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:00 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:41 pm proto what do you think about your friend lavender scumreading u? would u say that he is good at reading u?

Lav always wants me to be town but often finds me scum.

I should clarify that, he frequently finds me incorrectly as scum when i am town, not that he correctly identifies when I am mafia.

cool cool keep it coming

michelle and mp7 acknowledged it and will need a few hours

waiting on jeraldo, 1612, cobbler, alison and i think thats all

still working through my catch-up re-read. On page 23.

LP7 should be in my town circle. She pushed reaally hard to get the hammer off me and has zero reason to do that as mafia.

1612 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:18 pm Oh my lord, guys I don't think I can get a scum read before 7:00 PM. I've been reading logs left and right and there is already 200 more. I will just say that I really like @Urist's quotes as towny. There are a lot of key words that I like such as "this is NAI and a waste of time in the grand scheme of things". I also like the beginning poem and more importantly the reaction that he/she gave to people. But I've also seen him/her write that they are used to 48 hours so they have a lot of range as mafia. But at least from what I am used to seeing, I feel like talking about NAI and pushing people off that conversation who respond in a useless conversation is beneficial for a mafia perspective. I believe that because I am so used to @protocultures tunneling me off that and be relentless and then I turn off my laptop. I also see that he mentioned me and called my hair fabulous. Stop.

@Dyslexicon, yes I am sorry I will vote. I am basically no voting for jailer with this lone vote.
I will vote with Urist here because he/she (could you update your personal pronouns on your profile?) is my only actual read. I haven't even read Alison's logs yet and I apologize

I will never stop upselling you to strangers. bro code

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm Mp7 is 100% mafia
Alison 95%

found the mafia

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm Mp7 is 100% mafia
Alison 95%

they are both 100% town LOL

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

day 2 poll results

With two of their own members down, the Lion Guard was not in its finest form mentally. Or emotionally. Or physically. It seemed like the stress was starting to get to their heads, causing them to make some rash decisions. Poor Sarabi, a victim of her own good paws.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

idk it just made me lose my shit im laughing lile crazy irl rn LOOOOOOOOL

man. this is just way too fucking funny. i am thankful for the laughs

anyway

still waiting on those reads

thank god we have night chat

we have like 14 hours left in night. and 1 misyeet available before lylo. we still looking god imo. we gonn win

12 hours left

tik tok tik tok

...alrighty then

Proto flipped blue lol, my incorrect reads strike again.

Will update my full reads around noon, tutu. Just let me find a free time slot

oh that was urist that tutuu was asking for a scumcase on mp7 last night, not alison. so there's definitely mafia in urist/mp7

proto flipping blue makes mp7 look slightly better and urist look much worse. doesn't change the rest of my reads

am I the only one who thinks u all should just give ur gut reads without justification rather than "I'll post a novel later," like u can justify after the fact. seems like a no brainer, esp if if transparency is ur thing. like this is precious time we have with tutuu here. guess that's just me

oh wait did i misunderstand?
night ends on july 18th 7 pm est

So it doesnt end in 7 hours it ends in 31 hours?

this is difficult for me to calculate lol

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:10 am
Scum (highest mafia equity to lowest)

Urist - had been softing cop by saying he knows im town, doesnt need to explain it, will explain it if it looks like I will be condemned etc. I dont think anyone can credibly cc Tutuu here, probably one of the hardest people to win a cc cop fight against because shes so polarised as a player. Also baited out a cop claim too early imo unless tutuu has a redcheck. Even if tutuu has a redcheck, dont think cop always has to out here with 2 alive. Tutuu was never in danger of dying D2, so only question is whether they would have died N2.

Michelle - on re-read and iso, I dont like their posts and kind of think Alison was right to push for her on Day 1.

Lavender - his progression on me is nonexistant. Nothing is explained. His last updated reads list is like wtf dude, you cant just constantly change all of your reads and say everything was a reaction test. You are like trying to be too weird to be mafia, but you are probably just mafia here now. Either way, you are going to be scumread and in everyones POE for yeetville.

i know ur dead but i'm going to respond to this anyway

no, trying to be too weird to be mafia would be hard cc-ing tutuu's cop claim right now with what i think is the same check. i feel that my reads have actually been pretty consistent/justified this game, at least since lc/nanook flipped (with the exception of casting and then retracting sus on tutuu). if anyone has questions, get @ me

Ooh yea i see

So we didnt lose any time. Night ends in 30 hours +
Ok cool

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:10 am

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:26 am
scum:

mp7 (only because i bet tutuu checked mp7, and it seems like she has a red for us. makes sense now why tutuu was asking for a scumcase from alison or whomever. dys, i'm assuming this is the conclusion you came to as well, and i'm posting it now because i won't have time to post again for another 12 hours probably)

Wait, what?

who do u think tutuu checked, mp7? do u disagree that tutuu softed that they would check u? what have u done this game that deserves a townread?

(sidenote: i've pointed it out already, but tutuu was asking for a scumcase on mp7 from urist, not alison)

oh that's cool, we have more time than i thought. i'll be be back later

long night is long

[mention]tutuu[/mention] remember to claim the order of your checks, too, if they're both green

im not an idiot urist lol

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am im not an idiot urist lol

ya ya ik ik just making sure
if you claim a green on me i'm gonna be mad btw

Proto was town =(

MOOD

I did not expect that. I'm sorry I couldn't see it, [mention]protocultures[/mention]

And it turned into night?

Ok, we have a long night. All the time in the world. I'm not really here yet.

@1612 u up

[mention]1612[/mention]

[mention]1612[/mention] let's pretend this is mafia.gg and meme

@1612 who would u have checked if u were cop

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:10 am Hmm, an interesting development.

I was pretty sure Urist had been softing cop (and I was dumb for not getting it) but now Tutuu is hard claiming cop, so Urist is now mega sus in my eyes.


So my reads list.

Tutu - Cop claim - uncced.
Proto - Villy claim - never rescinding

Town (highest town equity to lowest)

Jeraldooo - need more posts but going off their one AI post, I could see town jeraldooo having all/most of those reads as a new player coming to forum and having no meta with the players.

Alison - im paranoid about alison, but thinking about it all, she wanted to vote Michelle and Urist who I now think are mafia. This is consistent with Alison being town although she says she is a serial busser of partners. I voted Nanook over urist mainly because at the time, I thought Alison was scummier than Urist and Alison was voting for Urist.

Cobbler - needs more posts but I get a decent town feel.


Null (town to scum within null list)

Dizzy - probably town, but they are supposed to be good at this game, and they keep calling me scum. Either they need to get better at reading me, I need to get better at projecting town, or Dizzy is mafia.

MP7 - need more AI posts to sort. LC said be wary. I am.

1612 - last post was really weird from 1612. It doesnt read like his thought process. @jeraldooo and @Lavender back me up here. The other posts starting "oh boy" etc sound like 1612 speaking. Need more from 1612 before I lock them as scum or town.


Scum (highest mafia equity to lowest)

Urist - had been softing cop by saying he knows im town, doesnt need to explain it, will explain it if it looks like I will be condemned etc. I dont think anyone can credibly cc Tutuu here, probably one of the hardest people to win a cc cop fight against because shes so polarised as a player. Also baited out a cop claim too early imo unless tutuu has a redcheck. Even if tutuu has a redcheck, dont think cop always has to out here with 2 alive. Tutuu was never in danger of dying D2, so only question is whether they would have died N2.

Michelle - on re-read and iso, I dont like their posts and kind of think Alison was right to push for her on Day 1.

Lavender - his progression on me is nonexistant. Nothing is explained. His last updated reads list is like wtf dude, you cant just constantly change all of your reads and say everything was a reaction test. You are like trying to be too weird to be mafia, but you are probably just mafia here now. Either way, you are going to be scumread and in everyones POE for yeetville.

1612's reads

Okay Great, yeah I'd rather try to have conversation rather than a long list of reads, good vibe from [mention]Lavender[/mention] . It's jsut that it's hard to communicate with irl schedules and different time zones but thankfully we have some extra night time to discuss this.

let me Just give a Town to Mafia list and start a discussion. I've color coded my sections because this is neat:

Most Town
Alison - Awesome reaction when being voted, it screamed saying I am fine with being info vote, here is my legacy info and I will keep trying to help even in my death without any hint of playing a wifom game as mafia
Dyslexicon - Love the interaction he has had in this game even trying to reach out to me and pinging me to explain my reads. I feel like he could easily try to twist my quotes out of context like proto tried to do and definitly push me to a vote. He's been playing really well and I want to read him town
MP7 - I am now going to put MP7 higher than Urist which I will explain in my next Read
Lavendar - Yeah I don't think anyone should be sussing Lavendar based off the cop claim since he was obviously not hard claiming. With that topic, I don't think Tutu should have claimed cop considering that no one was going to sus him for a vote today? But perhaps because he was so universally town read he was afraid of dying. Gah, not the move in my opinion but I understand. And also you said I wasn't having fun which is why you wanted to scum read me, I am not hating this format, just a bit hard but I think the quality of players and the environment is super welcoming and nice to play in. It's still not my cup of tea though, too much text and info that I might be tunneled vision in.

Question Mark / Need Info
Michelle - I feel like Michelle's logs havent been great. I have iso'd her logs and I jsut see some light pushes against Alison and her logs but this clearly disagrees with my top town read atm. But I think because I think Urist is my vote today, it seems that if Urist was trying to fake soft a cop claim, it would have been on a n/0 peek so I would say that give you evidence of being town unless it was partners defending? I don't know that hard defence seems weird to me if so, I would not vote Michelle based off that logic. Still think she has to give better logs, I can't really get a read on her on what she has now besides that quote from Urist
Jeraldooo - Honestly I want to read my friendoooo town here because I think he's just not really interested in this game and is coasting as mafia. I feel like if he was Mafia, he would put a little more effort? I am not sure, he is always my scum read that flips town so that's why I am hesitant to make him my scum read. Honestly if people are pushing him, I think it's jsut really too easy and I don't really see people defending him. hell the person who called him out to speak was proto and he flipped town. I think if he was mafia, he would not allowed to be coasty this much? Don't want to vote jeraldooo here honestly, seems like it's a waste of our one vote and doesn't give much info.

Null Reads / No interaction / Poe
Cobbler - Eh I don't know why people town read Cobbler so much specifically Urist and dead-Proto, I feel like he hasn't really talked and coasted. I have a null read but POE is on him. Same with Long Con. They haven't really addressed me in their quotes besides saying I haven't done anything in their list of reads.
Long Con - Same with Long Con. Logs don't say much

My Current Vote
Urist- So MP7 sussed Urist for that little comment "your vote on Michelle is wrong" and the reason why I thought it wasn't so bad in context is because I thought it was a small soft? which meant we were in either setup a or c so I tried to not push him just in case. And now I see why proto said "I think I know who cop is and I am waiting" he thought it was urist saying michelle was townySo I thought MP7 pointing that out and playing around with her vote around Urist when Alison or Nanook was becoming the vote consensus was really strange. But now that I am thinking about, maybe she was trying to cover it up by saying it was sus? [mention]M Plus 7[/mention], I'm sure you can talk more about this when you read it. But for that reason and also how he scumread proto with no explanation considering its his first time playing with proto as opposed to me when I always scum read him because of his bw votes and my irl read that I can't trust him ( my instinct won't allow me in voice chat ). And he flipped blue so I have to reconsider my town read on you and anyone who was pushing proto.

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:17 pm @1612 who would u have checked if u were cop

I would have checked someone that I don't have an irl read on and was sussing my town read. So probably MP7 but it doesn't make sense lol because I was under the guise that Urist was softing so by this scenario I would have sussed urist more and followed mp7 more

i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

[mention]1612[/mention] what is ur favorite type of jetski

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

D2 cop claim? It's a huge boost of info that's for sure but I think it's way too soon, pretty different than mafia.gg thats for sure. If I had a red check as cop I woudl wait to see who he/she pushes and then reveal the next day
Anyways gotta get back to work.

My favorite type of jetski is SEA-DOO cause that sounds funny

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:17 pm @1612 who would u have checked if u were cop

I would have checked someone that I don't have an irl read on and was sussing my town read. So probably MP7 but it doesn't make sense lol because I was under the guise that Urist was softing so by this scenario I would have sussed urist more and followed mp7 more

if u were going to fake claim cop today with a red check on someone in order to reaction check, who would it be?

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

D2 cop claim? It's a huge boost of info that's for sure but I think it's way too soon, pretty different than mafia.gg thats for sure. If I had a red check as cop I woudl wait to see who he/she pushes and then reveal the next day
Anyways gotta get back to work.

My favorite type of jetski is SEA-DOO cause that sounds funny

sea doo huh, that's pretty fitting for your personality

im a kawasaki man myself, we tend to be aggresive, independent, and possessive

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:25 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

D2 cop claim? It's a huge boost of info that's for sure but I think it's way too soon, pretty different than mafia.gg thats for sure. If I had a red check as cop I woudl wait to see who he/she pushes and then reveal the next day
Anyways gotta get back to work.

My favorite type of jetski is SEA-DOO cause that sounds funny

sea doo huh, that's pretty fitting for your personality

im a kawasaki man myself, we tend to be aggresive, independent, and possessive

oh wait no that's yamaha, sorry. kawasaki's are usually meek, passive, problem solvers. totally not me lol. tbh that's why i stopped believing in jetski astrology

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:25 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:23 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:20 pm i actually love the early cop claim from tutuu, i'd be sweating if i was maf lol

D2 cop claim? It's a huge boost of info that's for sure but I think it's way too soon, pretty different than mafia.gg thats for sure. If I had a red check as cop I woudl wait to see who he/she pushes and then reveal the next day
Anyways gotta get back to work.

My favorite type of jetski is SEA-DOO cause that sounds funny

sea doo huh, that's pretty fitting for your personality

im a kawasaki man myself, we tend to be aggresive, independent, and possessive

for the uniniatiated, sea-doos are complex creatures but one thing they all have in common in self votes d1. they claim it "generates info" but idk tbh

okay back to serious business

ahem

if alison is town michelle is mafia

1612, Long Con was replaced by Nanook who was the D1 lynch

What now

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:39 pm 1612, Long Con was replaced by Nanook who was the D1 lynch

What now

[mention]1612[/mention]

1612, what do you mean "Long Con's" logs don't say much.

How did you read his logs?

Did you read his ISO from the first post in this thread, or did you manually go back and read the entire thread, or what?

How did you reach reading Long Con's posts?