The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:46 pm**

I'm more interested in solving Alison than marmot right now anyway

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:48 pm**

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:48 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:39 pm I have some suspicion of marmot for not being as forthcoming about his ability but I think he hinted that he pulled them back into the thread which is probably just town? maybe he didn't want to be killed or something

UNSURE.

wish I could just show the neibourhood feelings. Hard to through very werid mechanic.

If Marmot would not be yeeted today Quinn should be.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:54 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:46 pm I'm more interested in solving Alison than marmot right now anyway

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

wolfy post

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:00 pm**

Give me one reason why Quin is scummy beyond not saying much in the gang BTSC because I townread them fairly firmly right now.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 pm**

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

for mac

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:26 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:20 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine

for mac

ok nutella

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:28 pm**

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:41 pm**

Quin may not have done anything obviously town but he didn't really do anything scummy either. I think more than anything else he was weirded out by the format. Why do you townread quin so strongly?

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:43 pm**

going back to thinking of aiming at turnip lol

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:50 pm**

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:10 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:41 pm Quin may not have done anything obviously town but he didn't really do anything scummy either. I think more than anything else he was weirded out by the format. Why do you townread quin so strongly?

Because Quin was begging Mac not to shoot FG and the FG shot was pretty bad for town. Mac was choosing between FG and me, and both of us are town. A wolf has no reason to do anything but sit back and eat chips there.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:33 pm**

Makes sense, thank you.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:34 pm**

Alright, I'm here now.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:40 pm**

Well, at least I'm not too far behind on stuff, lol.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:45 pm**

Trustworthy is starting to feel towny to me if it means anything.

I think it was hard for me to gauge in neighborhood chat because no one there (even me) was really invested in the game at the time. In my case, it's because it's tougher making reads when I can't interact with people. And then I have to make reads on people who are in a similar position as me? Lol, how do I even do that?

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:46 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:30 am Oh I see my chat mates are voting for me. I'll be around this evening to prove you folks wrong.

Do you think Quin or Turnip Head could be mafia? :P

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:19 pm**

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:19 pm**

thread is exhibiting DSDV

dead sloonei dead village

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:27 pm**

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:12 am**

I'm around but don't have much to say honestly. I've made my reads clear and people aren't engaging so I'm just spinning my wheels right now.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:24 am**

[mention]Alison[/mention] Can you talk about your interactions with vulgard and long con? We know that they were both wolves and talked at each other openly in the thread, and it looks like you did as well.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:30 am**

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:32 am
Poison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:43 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:39 am Poison is blatant naked mafia.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine
Actually think I agree with this.

This post and vote is so bad that idk makes me scum read you more.
That's some clunky distancing, you guys.
Maybe
1. Pretty sure Alison's town.
2. If Alison's apparently a good wolf, I'd assume her distancing would be better than this.

What do you think?

I think LC, Vulgard and Alison engaged in a 5D Chess distancing strategy. They prolifically engaged with each other's posts which makes it difficult to follow the paper trail, to the point where it seems like a conspiracy theory to even suspect them together.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:34 am**

Mmm yeah I can see that. Plus Mac believed it and he has wolfed with her with solid distancing to great effect.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:56 am**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:30 am Oh I see my chat mates are voting for me. I'll be around this evening to prove you folks wrong.
Do you think Quin or Turnip Head could be mafia? :P

Yes. And I think more likely than you or Liberal

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:07 am**

I just realized the stated eod is EDT but daylight savings is ending tonight

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:08 am**

Ok I whiffed my shot rip yolo

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:08 am**

Oh my god I hate daylights savings. Will fix

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:33 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:24 am @Alison Can you talk about your interactions with vulgard and long con? We know that they were both wolves and talked at each other openly in the thread, and it looks like you did as well.

Yeah, I talked to them. Do you have a specific interaction you wanted to comment on or is your case just "these three people talked to each other a lot so they must be scum trying to distance from each other"?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:38 am**

Also I'm fairly sure Vulgard's interactions with me were more pocket indicative than anything the way he immediately called me the best town player ever and out of my scum range and stuff the moment LC flipped and heat was put on him. That's the kind of stuff you say to someone you're trying to buddy up to, not distance from. If you think my scum range is so wide that I can't spew myself clear from just, y'know, fucking killing a wolf, then look at what they say to me, because their scumrange is a lot tighter than mine.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:41 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:34 am Mmm yeah I can see that. Plus Mac believed it and he has wolfed with her with solid distancing to great effect.

Mac also believed there was one scum in nut/Sloonei, that Poison was probably scum and that FG was the best choice of bomb target, so maybe lay off the "Mac is town so if he said Alison could be distancing then she is" stuff? Like all of us have had wrong reads this game, we all suspected Poison, you shot Enrique yourself, etc. It's a lazy way to play if you're just gonna vote me because Mac said so and you're paranoid I'm fooling you because I had more than 1 wrong read this game.

Why are my interactions with LC and Vulgard indicative of a planned distancing strategy rather than just town talking to mafia?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:45 am**

Also for the record at the time I moved from Poison to Vulgard the vote count was 5 Poison, 3 Vulgard. If I stayed the course I could have swung a Poison kill there and I moved before anyone else did. I said I did it because I read the Vulgard wagon as pure (which it probably is - 2/3 there have flipped town and nutella is also most likely town), which is exactly what I did in Radiohead. Are you suggesting that I saw LC get shot and immediately decided to bus my teammate instead of going for a clean exe on Poison that gives me 100% plausible deniability?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:49 am**

I've decided that sour candy is the best candy

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:53 am**

Alright Alison that adds up to a solid if not airtight alibi, but something still feels wrong. Shouldn't we have a stronger lead on who was partnered with LC and Vulgard? Town bagged two mafs early, they said a lot of things, but it feels like we're still swimming in the dark.

I thought Nutella had vouched for tsp early, is that still in play?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:55 am**

But yeah I mean you could have voted Vulgard for the credit still, in fact that's what I first thought was happening. And then you made a theoretical point about mafia being afraid to vote for Vulgard, but who would that implicate exactly?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:58 am**

My point was actually that from the perspective of a mafia who saw LC being dayvigged halfway through Day 1, and then sees Poison (a scummy looking townie) and Vulgard (a fellow member of the mafia) being Day 1 consensus wagons, they'd be heavily inclined to vote Poison there because they don't want to have 2 mafia go down in Day 1 alone.

I'm not going to pretend that hard bussing like that is out of my scum range but the amount of power it makes the wolves lose is significant so you should at least adjust the probability of me doing it as mafia downwards. I could do it as mafia if I think it's necessary, but it wasn't really necessary there since I had full plausible deniability voting Poison since everyone suspected her. If you'll recall I opened this day phase with an initial suspicion of Tony for insisting on the Poison wagon according to this analysis.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:00 am**

Do you still think TSP is likely wolf because of that? And if so, how strongly do you believe it?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:04 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:53 am Alright Alison that adds up to a solid if not airtight alibi, but something still feels wrong. Shouldn't we have a stronger lead on who was partnered with LC and Vulgard? Town bagged two mafs early, they said a lot of things, but it feels like we're still swimming in the dark.

I thought Nutella had vouched for tsp early, is that still in play?

Part of that could be accounted for by the presence of a mafia member in the 4 players that were out of the thread. eg. If there's 3 mafia total, and the third was out of the thread D1, then obviously you'd have nobody to tie Vulgard or LC to. If there's 4 then you're looking for a single person connected to Vulgard/LC in all of the players who were participating in the thread on D1, so it's natural to feel lost if you're searching for a needle in a haystack.

One of the reasons it might feel like you have surprisingly little information despite mafia flips is that red flips often come later in the game when you have 2 or 3 days of vote analysis, nightkill analysis, post analysis and all that stuff to work on. The earlier a mafia gets killed the less information you get from their kill. We don't know anything about how LC would have voted at EoD. We don't know anything about how LC would have voted on Vulgard to indicate if they were taking a more distant view of their teammates or trying to powerwolf more. This phenomenon where town gets lost after early success is very common on the Syndicate and is a reason why we often lose games after early scum exes.

Re: TSP, I suspected him slightly earlier in the day but I'm feeling a lot better about him now because mechanical information has come out that makes his claim much less suspicious/explains away a lot of the strange stuff I thought was made up about his claim. Plus his behavior regarding the Mac suicide bombing was pretty townie - he didn't jump at the chance to shade me, he didn't immediately OMGUS me to try to get Mac to blow me up, etc.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:09 am**

You make great points. I should probably take this as a sign that it's time to scrutinize my punk friends more thoroughly, though there's not much to go on there. Trustworthy Liberal was begging for validation while Hyena oozed natural sincerity, Marmot wifomed being bad the whole time, and Quin was that friend who flakes on poker night because he has a girlfriend

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:14 am**

Out of the people in the gang I have a townread on Quin because I have trouble understanding why wolf Quin begs Mac to bomb Marmot over FG, and I townread Hyena for just general townie tone + the "notes" stuff they were keeping seeming difficult to fake as scum. It would be a very manipulative and calculative move to keep notes that extensive and tonally good as scum to dump when they got back into the thread and they don't strike me as that kind of player even as a wolf.

TL and you I am less certain about. I started neutral on you, got suspicious when you talked a lot about wanting to solve me but ended up pushing a single narrative on me rather than actually trying to talk to me, and then felt slightly better after you moved on from that and started considering other POVs. TL has some townie posts but the general tone feels like someone trying to imitate tutuu which is pretty sour. I am scum leaning Marmot, I had them in the POE after TSP and FG. FG has flipped green and TSP has done work to clear his name, and I had that progression inconsistency on Marmot that they still haven't cleared up.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:22 am**

For the record I think it would be easy for quin to "push" Mac into blowing up marmot over FG if Quin's bad. It gets him maybe a few points but it's not exactly out of his wheelhouse to make a post like that, that's a kind of thing I think he could fake well.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:31 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:22 am For the record I think it would be easy for quin to "push" Mac into blowing up marmot over FG if Quin's bad. It gets him maybe a few points but it's not exactly out of his wheelhouse to make a post like that, that's a kind of thing I think he could fake well.

Yeah, but how does that scenario play out? If Quin pushes Mac into blowing up Marmot and Marmot flips green, all eyes will be on Quin. With them being already sort of suspected by many/most people in the punk gang, and having just been spotted openly goading Mac into blowing up a townie, Quin will be the next on the chopping block 100% of the time.

Does a wolf Quin sacrifice their life to take out a townie who was already under very heavy suspicion instead of just... sitting back and letting Mac blow up FG without taking any blame for it?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:43 am**

I think he could have gotten away with it tbh lol

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:45 am**

Okay, let's talk TL then. My main concern with TL is that their tone feels a little forced, like someone trying to fake the kind of bubbly, enthusiastic tone that eg. town tutuu has. Do you have experience with them/know if the tone they've displayed here is standard for them?

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 am**

That's how I gut read TL's tone too, but I think it's unfair to call it forced if that's just how TL plays. I can't say I have any real experience with TL other than this game.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:10 am**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:50 am That's how I gut read TL's tone too, but I think it's unfair to call it forced if that's just how TL plays. I can't say I have any real experience with TL other than this game.

That is just how i play kinda high beat.

Given my main thoughts for this Day don't know what else i can really give

Its also 2 am so most likely sleeping to wake up for EoD

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:06 pm**

Wait, there's suddenly only 8 people alive. How did we get here?

Calm down already nutella.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:37 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:04 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:58 pm @TonyStarkPrime explain your note giving and how you think you may have killed Sloonei?

If you killed Sloonei then who did the mafia kill? How can you think you killed Sloonei when he's clearly a mafia kill?

Also you're mafia anyway so you don't need to answer any of these loaded questions buddy.
Hold on. I got something to say about this. All of us can place a vote during the night for someone, and they may or may not get roleblocked. TSP was our target last night. Poison was our target N1 if I remember correctly. My other peeps can confirm this (and correct me on the specific mechanics of that since I probably got something wrong).

I didn't have a vote, but the rest of y'all did.

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:00 pm @Hyena what did Quin do exactly?
I'll talk about this in a bit, too. In short, I don't remember much of what they did.

Same reasoning here. Quin was the least vocal in our chatroom. Scrolling back through his contributions there, he had a number of things to say Day 1. After Vulgard was lynched, he quieted down quite a lot. Not much to say Night 1. Day 2, he chimed in at the at of the day with a few reads: namely that he liked Poison and FG, and didn't like TSP.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:43 pm I read TSP's ISO. If we cut out all the fluff he's scumsided all game.

He lightly defends Vulgard early on while claiming that he's nullreading Vulgard, shades Syn, shades me, and generally tries to push the conversation away from Vulgard by repeatedly insinuating that Vulgard has not posted much and doesn't deserve this much suspicion on them. Claims that Vulgard is the same as their town meta in #359, while at the same time claiming that they totally have a null read on Vulgard. (Claiming someone is null to you while clearly defending them is pretty BS, and reeks of scum trying to have the best of both worlds.) The read on Syn (who we now know is town) was also pretty bad: he says Syn hasn't done anything wrong, but not doing anything wrong is a scumtell. First of all, ???, and second of all, that sounds like he's leaving the door open to both scumread or townread Syn depending on what's convenient rather than giving a legitimate read.

Lots of hedginess all around. I can't find a single confident stance on LC or Vulgard, which should be a red flag since those two were hot topics. Big example of this is #497. He gives several reasons to believe that Vulgard is scum, but then caps it off with "it's wolfy BUT" and then says "it means you and Alison aren't W/W and nothing else". That reads to me like he was trying to awkwardly distance from Vulgard but thought he could swing a wagon onto Poison (which he tried to do) and didn't want to commit to the bus just yet. But leaves the door open to make him look good if Vulgard dies.

D2 was more hedginess, going back and forth on Poison. Sets himself up as Poison's defender by saying he should be mustering up the energy to defend her, and also tries to halt the exe while he asks for Poison's role claim in case she has a strong PR. Ends up voting her anyway, and I get a strong sense that he just doesn't give a fuck about the exe despite making a show of caring.

@TonyStarkPrime In #1123 you said that Poison pointed out something that makes you queasy and immediately ask her to claim. You don't follow up on this. What was that about?

linki: Why would you use a positive ability on Sloonei and then immediately enter the thread with "oh shit guys I think I killed Sloonei by accident"?

Townies on Day 1s don't usually have confident stances though. I mean maybe they do, but that's the point in the game when they have the least amount of information.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:07 pm I need to figure out how to respond to stuff because quoting works differently than it did last time I was here, but having like 3/4 of the punk gang call me out for low participation or whatever is both hilarious and complete bullshit. I've got words about how easily they just accepted Marmot as one of the gang when he showed up out of buttfuck nowhere but I'll catch up first.

Unlike the rest of you, I was permitted to post in the game thread Day 1. Why are you so skeptical about this, and why would it make me suspicious?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:20 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:18 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:12 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:11 pm yeah i think hyena's town here. still think tsp is town, too.
has hyena... said anything??
yeah. hyena's activity in the group chat is hella town imo
not that i've seen this group chat lol i obv haven't but like based on his posts. also people in the gc are town reading him too so i bet he's been PRO-TOWN
Nobody was pro-towning it in there. There wasn't an incentive to do much more than share reads and talk about who we'd roleblock.

Sorry but what? Why was there no incentive to pro-town in our side chat?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:34 pm Quin has like this bitter/angry undertone to every description of their interaction with the 4P gang and I don't understand why.

We didn't really talk about reads of each other, only reads of players in the game thread. I could see him being grumpy about a number of us suddenly voicing suspicion of him.

TL may or may not suspect me. I couldn't tell if they were joking or not in the side chat.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:38 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:35 pm Quin you seemed to have felt Marmot's entrance into the 4P gang is a big deal and that people should have taken it a lot more seriously. Can you break down for me why this is a surprising development or why we should suspect Marmot based off it?
I mean, if you're in a BTSC with 3 other people and you've been told those are the only people you have BTSC with, would you not be cautious if someone else suddenly dropped in? I don't actually doubt anything Marmot has said regarding why/how he joined but the responses to his entrance were literally

TH: i trust you implicitly lol jk
TL: Nice
Hyena: oh hey a new punk

Considering this mechanic in the OP

Spoiler: show

I still don't understand your concern. If anything, the ability for more player interaction should be a boon.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:37 pm**

Also, I notice nutella didn't blow people up. Sorry for blaming you.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:43 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:29 pm A Shark Attacks

With great reluctance but also much relief, a time traveling steampunk dude releases his shark. It devours his target as well as himself, and then contents itself with licking its paws.

@MacDougall has died and flips:

Time Travelling Steampunk

You can only play in the thread on odd-numbered days. On even-numbered days you won't be allowed to post or vote, but you will receive a piece of information about the setup. At any point during an odd-numbered day you may choose to release your Secret Weapon and kill both yourself and a player of your choice. You cannot be targeted on even-numbered nights.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
@Funnygurl555 dies and flips:

Paranoid Badass

If [secret subset of players that I'm not going to tell you who are] target you, you'll knock them out. This will have [an effect I also won't tell you]. Fun!

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
Day continues, and I’m not resetting the poll—FG and Mac’s votes won’t count nor will votes against them be counted, and hammer is now at 6/8

So, while I can't vote with the punk gang, I can override their attempted roleblock. I almost switched to FG last night, glad I didn't.

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