Re: Highway Heist (Day 2)
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:24 pm
Imma take that as a loud and clear no
didn’t he leave?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:22 pm MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.
didn’t he leave?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:22 pm MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.
Maybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:25 pmdidn’t he leave?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:22 pm MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.
Which is trueJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:25 pmMaybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:25 pmdidn’t he leave?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:22 pm MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.
It's generally true. It's a very easy thing to say when Jay starts yelling. Wow Jay is yelling, what?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:26 pmWhich is trueJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:25 pmMaybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:25 pmdidn’t he leave?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:22 pm MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.
But I could say this about myself as well lolDyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:27 pm I don’t really believe MR is mafia though, which is a problem. But he has been overdoing the I don’t care I’m joking haha play style, and it’s getting super tired
Sure. Imma vote Nook nowJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:27 pmIt's generally true. It's a very easy thing to say when Jay starts yelling. Wow Jay is yelling, what?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:26 pmWhich is trueJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:25 pmMaybe. I only recall one post, in which he observed I don't usually act like this (@ Mac).Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:25 pmdidn’t he leave?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:22 pm MR can be mafia. He just sat and watched this happen.
It was more typical of me circa 2017ish
Can be anyone really can't it.
I think I’ve rarely been more obvious town in my entire mafia career. But maybe you’d have to be me to know that.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:31 pm But I guess if I was to give you a snap answer I would say it'd be Dyslexicon first and foremost and then I'd need to probably re-read some stuff.
LolllllllMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:31 pmDo we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?
I think that's where you're going astray. I have zero trouble believing that the Alison chop was primarily driven by town. Marmot himself was there among the most vocal about it. In a 9 vs. 2 game with this roster, I don't think it's a "significant" thing that Alison was the Day 1 chop -- with no disrespect intended to her. Most people in this game don't get offed on Days 1. Someone had to.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:29 pm My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.
Yeah but it's not just that in isolation it's that both her and I were considered choppable and in the POE. That's not 1 but 2 players who are strong town and in the case of Alison I believe she wasn't even wolfy. So to extend the read, why did she go over and not me when I was strictly more scummy than her and had pretty much the same POE? It requires someone/s to actually want her to die more than me and encourage that to occur. I don't feel like it's reasonable for any town on day 1 to want her dead more than me cuz I was way scummier than her.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:33 pmI think that's where you're going astray. I have zero trouble believing that the Alison chop was primarily driven by town. Marmot himself was there among the most vocal about it. In a 9 vs. 2 game with this roster, I don't think it's a "significant" thing that Alison was the Day 1 chop -- with no disrespect intended to her. Most people in this game don't get offed on Days 1. Someone had to.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:29 pm My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.
ok well no offense but if you’re town you did not really make clear what your read on alison was and you did like nothing to change the gamestate or push anything else and were hardly hereMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:29 pmCan be anyone really can't it.
That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.
My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.
Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.
My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.
It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.
I don't think you were scummier than Alison. I just think that's untrue. You're allowed to perceive it as so, but I definitely did not. I don't think most people did. In fact I think there's a decent chance that you were being protected by mafia by way of TMI reads.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:35 pm Yeah but it's not just that in isolation it's that both her and I were considered choppable and in the POE. That's not 1 but 2 players who are strong town and in the case of Alison I believe she wasn't even wolfy. So to extend the read, why did she go over and not me when I was strictly more scummy than her and had pretty much the same POE? It requires someone/s to actually want her to die more than me and encourage that to occur. I don't feel like it's reasonable for any town on day 1 to want her dead more than me cuz I was way scummier than her.
Okay sorry for existing.Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:36 pmok well no offense but if you’re town you did not really make clear what your read on alison was and you did like nothing to change the gamestate or push anything else and were hardly hereMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:29 pmCan be anyone really can't it.
That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.
My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.
Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.
My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.
It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.
at one point i think you even said she was town and then in the next post you said she pinged you the most of anyone
so like, sorry if you think i should have listened to you but honestly you didn’t do anything to prevent it and trying to be all like “i told you so” now is just lol
why would the BP ever claim D1?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:31 pmDo we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?
Certainly not. You're a two-time site MVP, and everyone recognizes that.
What was dumb is that you flooded the thread with blatant falsehoods and pushed people for not debunking them with a fine-tooth comb, and it's NAI for you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:32 pmWhat was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?
If he is the BP and I called him on it, he would find it pretty hard not to FPS claim it because nobody believes him anyway.Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:40 pmwhy would the BP ever claim D1?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:31 pmDo we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?
Such as?c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:41 pmWhat was dumb is that you flooded the thread with blatant falsehoods and pushed people for not debunking them with a fine-tooth comb, and it's NAI for you.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:32 pmWhat was dumb about it and what reads did you have that aren't changed?
The reads that didn't change were... I mean, all of them? Don't see how I was implying anything else. Only alignment takeaway I had was that Jay's reflexive catch on Radish's comment was towny, which changed my Jay read from v to v.
the obvious answer to the bold is that we were wrong on NAA and he’s a villager, hence me opening today saying i’m treating him as townMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:36 pm I have no real reason to townread anybody in this game honestly. If I went to level one and just gave Hally, Jay and Dyslexicon the townreads they so desperately crave I'm still left with a POE that's way too broad.
And then I'm left to wonder why Marmot died n1 over either Jay or Hally and I am just back here again.
Tbf this is something I'd do lolHally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:40 pmwhy would the BP ever claim D1?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:31 pmDo we have any reason to believe he's simply not the BP he claims?
personally i consider the obvious answer to be that one or both of you are mafia and i'd tend to thinking it's jay over you because jay would kill marmot for other reasons namely marmot can actually read jay kind of okay, and also I think there is a chance Jay has been working specifically to pocket youHally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:44 pmthe obvious answer to the bold is that we were wrong on NAA and he’s a villager, hence me opening today saying i’m treating him as townMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:36 pm I have no real reason to townread anybody in this game honestly. If I went to level one and just gave Hally, Jay and Dyslexicon the townreads they so desperately crave I'm still left with a POE that's way too broad.
And then I'm left to wonder why Marmot died n1 over either Jay or Hally and I am just back here again.
the next obvious answer is they had a PR read on marmot and/or feared me/jay would be watched or doc’d
was he awesome and terrifying in this game though?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:46 pm Marmot's the reigning Syndicate best civilian. He can be the Night 1 victim just by virtue of being awesome.
Actually you're the reigning best civilian. Marmot was a finalist. Anyway, yes his legacy is important to me. I am giving more weight to both his and Alison's views than I often do for [insert random dead person].MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:47 pmwas he awesome and terrifying in this game though?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:46 pm Marmot's the reigning Syndicate best civilian. He can be the Night 1 victim just by virtue of being awesome.
if you believe this then just sheep his legacy
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:10 pm Consolidating my legacy into a single post that is easy to refer to and quote.
Hally, c4 and Marmot are my towncore.
Jay and Wilgy below them.
NAA below that.
Dizzy, Nanook, Mac and Radishes are the immediate POE.
Very high chance there is at least one mafia between Radishes and Dizzy.