The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:29 pm Dunya
3
30%
Voters: Scotty, Urist, Le petit poussin

with LP also scum reading me



the thread state at this moment at time for my notes.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:54 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:52 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:50 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:48 am i don't even think drwilgy is scummy yet. he's not particularly townie either, so i'm testing the waters with his manageable iso.

please no one follow me anywhere. like fuck, take responsibility for your votes and vote where you think is wolf and stop with the "i followed dunya there" narrative pls.

but but how are we going to lunch you then???

lunch me cos yall are jealous of my pretty hair

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:57 am why do you keep yoyoing back and forth between me and LP @NotAnAxehole

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:58 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:57 am why do you keep yoyoing back and forth between me and LP @NotAnAxehole

I can't ensure that you live through the day unless people think I'm scum reading you.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:24 pm creature was only a competing wagon to Scotty because of YOU

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:53 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:18 pm yeah hk is just town

dolby can be te cfc wolf.

I was like "yeah". But then why are you assuming there is a wolf in the CFC gang? (buying LP's early game read?)

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:33 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm is the case on dunya as simple as i think it is? My understanding is she's a really good wolf and i don't think she'd get caught that easily

how am i caught? cos i led a wagon on creature and he flipped town?

you're misunderstanding me

The players who suspect you think they've caught you. So my point is that the things they are wolf reading you for are really level 1 reasons. I don't think that's a good reason to wolf read someone who is very skilled as a wolf. usually means thy're a villager

that's true, i would never make grave mistakes like spearheading a d1 yeet on a villager as wolf ever. if anyone finds a game where i did that as wolf, you can have an unlimited supply of cookies.

this actually basically makes me IC atp.

who are these players, other than scotty btw?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:34 am raskol continues to be town so that's nice.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:38 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:37 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:35 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:33 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm is the case on dunya as simple as i think it is? My understanding is she's a really good wolf and i don't think she'd get caught that easily

how am i caught? cos i led a wagon on creature and he flipped town?

you're misunderstanding me

The players who suspect you think they've caught you. So my point is that the things they are wolf reading you for are really level 1 reasons. I don't think that's a good reason to wolf read someone who is very skilled as a wolf. usually means thy're a villager

that's true, i would never make grave mistakes like spearheading a d1 yeet on a villager as wolf ever. if anyone finds a game where i did that as wolf, you can have an unlimited supply of cookies.

this actually basically makes me IC atp.

who are these players, other than scotty btw?

No you're not going to be able to confirmed Town yourself for mislynching day 1 just because you claim you wouldn't do that as Mafia.
Best you can do is NAI for that. And really it isn't NAI since you just admitted you knew scum you wouldn't do that meaning you could just have done that knowing it'd clear you.

meta is king

Meta is worthless when you just openly admitted that you know how to manipulate your own meta.
It's really hard to read you as anything other than Mafia blatantly trying to abuse their own meta right now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:33 am Dunya’s play today is that of a small, submissive dachshund in a playpen of Rottweilers.

It’s a bizarre play for a w!dunya. Just looking at the last game she linked to me where she was bad, she never dropped her hunting in favor of…whatever this is. Granted, Wilgy red checked her at top of D2 in that game, so her behavior is perhaps marred by having to fend that off.

I dunno. It could all be a shtick, but I find it more interesting to watch the Rottweilers nip at her

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:38 am Who are the wolves HK?

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:45 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:38 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:37 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:35 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:33 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:27 pm
how am i caught? cos i led a wagon on creature and he flipped town?

you're misunderstanding me

The players who suspect you think they've caught you. So my point is that the things they are wolf reading you for are really level 1 reasons. I don't think that's a good reason to wolf read someone who is very skilled as a wolf. usually means thy're a villager

that's true, i would never make grave mistakes like spearheading a d1 yeet on a villager as wolf ever. if anyone finds a game where i did that as wolf, you can have an unlimited supply of cookies.

this actually basically makes me IC atp.

who are these players, other than scotty btw?

No you're not going to be able to confirmed Town yourself for mislynching day 1 just because you claim you wouldn't do that as Mafia.
Best you can do is NAI for that. And really it isn't NAI since you just admitted you knew scum you wouldn't do that meaning you could just have done that knowing it'd clear you.

meta is king

Meta is worthless when you just openly admitted that you know how to manipulate your own meta.
It's really hard to read you as anything other than Mafia blatantly trying to abuse their own meta right now.

I actually agree with LP's process here (even more so when Dunya linked to some of her previous scum games) but not the conclusions. Like if anything it's Dya who came up with a meta read on dunya, not her who put it upfront first. So who is manipulating who here?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:33 am Dunya’s play today is that of a small, submissive dachshund in a playpen of Rottweilers.

It’s a bizarre play for a w!dunya. Just looking at the last game she linked to me where she was bad, she never dropped her hunting in favor of…whatever this is. Granted, Wilgy red checked her at top of D2 in that game, so her behavior is perhaps marred by having to fend that off.

I dunno. It could all be a shtick, but I find it more interesting to watch the Rottweilers nip at her

i'm kind of offended you think this of my play right now, but also not offended.

do you prefer me to talk to myself in the thread? game is dead. people arent here. i would rather be a team player and let people make reads and read them than just spam the game.

also, i have been burdened by mafia for the last couple of years and i'm trying to play in a way that optimizes my enjoyment. this is the second game in a row where i'm "having fun" and enjoying myself---so expect this version of me to stay if i keep playing mafia!

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:11 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:53 am

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:18 pm yeah hk is just town

dolby can be te cfc wolf.

I was like "yeah". But then why are you assuming there is a wolf in the CFC gang? (buying LP's early game read?)

@dunya

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:49 am be a wolf, not a sheep!


heh heh heh

i chuckled

@Urist im competing with your #dadjokes now

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.

@Syn you have a fan, but she is a wolf. RIP

(well I am kinda joking about this one because it is so blatant - "look I didn't kill Mac")

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:59 amHi everyone

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:03 am

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:59 amHi everyone

your avatar is super punchable.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:33 am Dunya’s play today is that of a small, submissive dachshund in a playpen of Rottweilers.

It’s a bizarre play for a w!dunya. Just looking at the last game she linked to me where she was bad, she never dropped her hunting in favor of…whatever this is. Granted, Wilgy red checked her at top of D2 in that game, so her behavior is perhaps marred by having to fend that off.

I dunno. It could all be a shtick, but I find it more interesting to watch the Rottweilers nip at her

i'm kind of offended you think this of my play right now, but also not offended.

do you prefer me to talk to myself in the thread? game is dead. people arent here. i would rather be a team player and let people make reads and read them than just spam the game.

also, i have been burdened by mafia for the last couple of years and i'm trying to play in a way that optimizes my enjoyment. this is the second game in a row where i'm "having fun" and enjoying myself---so expect this version of me to stay if i keep playing mafia!

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:38 am Who are the wolves HK?

they're in this set:
LP
Jack
Marmot
TSP
Urist
DrWigley

with a side of Dunya sus I can't shake but don't want to believe in.

I think the following are town:
HK obvs
Rask
Syn
Dolby
Scotty
NAA
Dyachei

Sig is a null and I'm assuming if Sig wolf Sig has been prompted numerous times to show up and do something. TSP makes my wolf list b/c he seems somewhat fixated on why sig exists, feels like a pre-associated attempted clear. That assumes Sig flips wolf but if he does TSP looks weird to me for wanting to know why Sig is still alive.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:03 am LPs GoC 2021 iso for my reference when i have more than 10mins search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sr=posts&t=22 ... 85%09&ch=0

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:30 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:27 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:23 pm is the case on dunya as simple as i think it is? My understanding is she's a really good wolf and i don't think she'd get caught that easily

how am i caught? cos i led a wagon on creature and he flipped town?

you're misunderstanding me

The players who suspect you think they've caught you. So my point is that the things they are wolf reading you for are really level 1 reasons. I don't think that's a good reason to wolf read someone who is very skilled as a wolf. usually means thy're a villager

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:03 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.

@Syn you have a fan, but she is a wolf. RIP

(well I am kinda joking about this one because it is so blatant - "look I didn't kill Mac")

If what LP has thought is true, they believe:
-Mac was widely scum read by…people. Just from looking through Mac’s iso: (NAA, chicken, urist and LP all weighed in on that)
-killing someone widely scumread is suboptimal
-Syn was someone that Mac found sus?

But why does this particularly look bad for Syn again? Mac basically doesn’t even mention him.

Actually, now that I’ve properly looked through Mac’s iso, he had a mini back and forth with chicken where they were both calling bullshit to each other. Mac even voted chicken for a bit, and then circles back 24 hours later to again call chicken scum.
Earlier on, TSP was someone mac said was wolf, and I didn’t see him change opinion on either.

At the end, mac made clear that HK and myself were wolves, even going so far as to say with his dying breath “sheep me if I die” on HK.

MY CONCLUSION:
-LP’s narrative is that Mac dying looks bad for Syn, because no one scumread Syn (not true btw) and Mac was a suboptimal NK. While I feel this is distracting, and Syn isn’t the one that should have been NK’d, I do agree with LP’s line of thinking that mafia wouldn’t just kill mac for no reason when they’re not at risk of being blocked N1
-Mac’s death actually looks worst for le petit poisson, who Mac came back throughout the day to call wolf.
-Mac’s death looks great for HK imo and to a lesser extent me: an easy frame job that a wolf could point to and go “SEE? SEE? He said HK and Scotty were bad with his dying breath!”
But if you look at the bigger picture, mac was chicken’s biggest detractor throughout the day. Mac could just be a throwaway kill but I’m looking at a different angle: If there’s someone that would want Mac dead, it would be chicken.
-LP floating Syn’s name is just bizarre. It’s an independent thought that Syn looks wolfy ONLY because they weren’t killed because obviously they were the unanimous Townread. That viewpoint is so foreign, it’s on Mars.


Pulling poussin town to scumlean. More to come

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:38 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:12 pm [VOTE: dunya] aubergine

You seem determined

Care to elaborate on your confidence?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm scotty seems so confident

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm i cant vote scotty, sorry syn

and sorry @creature for being such a big part in your misyeet

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

This series of posts from Dunya is a joke, right?

I’m at the point of auto yeeting her if Scotty flips wolf.

Did you just iso me or read thread context why I voted Scotty?

I town read him yesterday, came into today feeling like a big loser, voted with Syn, then decided I couldn't cos I town read him.

I don't understand how so many people are missing that. I never said Scotty did x that was scummy.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:13 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:49 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:38 am Who are the wolves HK?

they're in this set:
LP
Jack
Marmot
TSP
Urist
DrWigley

with a side of Dunya sus I can't shake but don't want to believe in.

I think the following are town:
HK obvs
Rask
Syn
Dolby
Scotty
NAA
Dyachei

Sig is a null and I'm assuming if Sig wolf Sig has been prompted numerous times to show up and do something. TSP makes my wolf list b/c he seems somewhat fixated on why sig exists, feels like a pre-associated attempted clear. That assumes Sig flips wolf but if he does TSP looks weird to me for wanting to know why Sig is still alive.

for cred?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:21 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 4:38 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:34 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:12 pm [VOTE: dunya] aubergine

You seem determined

Care to elaborate on your confidence?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm scotty seems so confident

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:13 pm i cant vote scotty, sorry syn

and sorry @creature for being such a big part in your misyeet

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

This series of posts from Dunya is a joke, right?

I’m at the point of auto yeeting her if Scotty flips wolf.

Did you just iso me or read thread context why I voted Scotty?

I town read him yesterday, came into today feeling like a big loser, voted with Syn, then decided I couldn't cos I town read him.

I don't understand how so many people are missing that. I never said Scotty did x that was scummy.

That doesn't enter into it at all but okay.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:21 am All of Mac’s interactions with le petit poussin:

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:21 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:13 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:50 am Dolby (9)

Already too much of a tryhard

Well I am mostly bothered by the fact he seems to root for TRs badly and also liking that Syn's vote. I just don't wanna burry him yet because of recent bad experiences but yeah. lower null on Dolby.

HK and you are my only TRs so far. (rest is null really, this game is starting slowly)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:30 am Scotty and HK are probably mafia though so that's fun.

Sounds like we have a problem we should talk about.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:35 pm [VOTE: the small fish] aubergine

chicken wrote: Mac just seems too similar to our last game. Weak unexplained pushes. Feels pocketie again (I am not falling for cereals)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:57 am What pushes do I have that are unexplained and what about me is pockety?

Why don't you just admit to the blatant omgus?

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:57 am What pushes do I have that are unexplained and what about me is pockety?

Why don't you just admit to the blatant omgus?

lol like every single one of them. Show me where you articulated anything outside NAA (and why this isn't even TMI)

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:01 am Your face is a pocket Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:02 am So I am suspicious because I did not provide ample explanation for my early game random soulreads? I see.

Yes I am also prone to townreading people who overexplain early game reads and scumread those who just go with the flow expressing themselves. That is surely a path that will secure a town victory

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:06 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:02 am So I am suspicious because I did not provide ample explanation for my early game random soulreads? I see.

Mac: what unexplained pushes did I make?
Raskol: all of them.
Mac: yes, but that's not wolfy.
Raskol:

get real

I mean yes that was my thought progression. I didn't think that I had made ample enough reads lacking baselessness to be called out on such. Then I looked back, see a cpl of random reads I made that have no basis and decided you're suspicious for the shit push anyway. C'est la vie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:08 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:03 am Like I dunno, we didn't play that many games together, but I associate town!you with that Stormtossed play and it was radically different. Like you were burning the thread to the ground back then.

You are making a meta read based on a game I played a year ago when I try harded and survived four games and comparing it to this low effort day 1 play?

Okay. You are pretty much full of shit.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:08 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:03 am Like I dunno, we didn't play that many games together, but I associate town!you with that Stormtossed play and it was radically different. Like you were burning the thread to the ground back then.

You are making a meta read based on a game I played a year ago when I try harded and survived four games and comparing it to this low effort day 1 play?

Okay. You are pretty much full of shit.

Four days*

It's not like I played against wolf!Mac a couple of weeks ago.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:18 am oh god why am I even replying.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:28 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:18 am oh god why am I even replying.

Um the correct answer is because you are attempting to understand my perspectives and figure out my alignment right?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:33 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:31 am Mac / rask

I think you're both antagonizing each other with a bit of underhanded passive aggressiveness and you're actually just both town.

I mean I am quite aware that I am town but where does the confidence come from in your rask read?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:44 pm rask is still scum fwiw

The exasperation coming from poussin is palpable. Dunya comments that this argument looks like v/v, and mac questions this.
In the end, he doesn’t back down that chicken is mafia an hour before EoD. But chicken ain’t getting chopped, so he goes back to the Scotty/HK affair.

I legit think Mac was chicken’s biggest and maybe one of his only detractor(s), and killing mac only helps keep chicken in townland.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:03 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.

@Syn you have a fan, but she is a wolf. RIP

(well I am kinda joking about this one because it is so blatant - "look I didn't kill Mac")

If what LP has thought is true, they believe:
-Mac was widely scum read by…people. Just from looking through Mac’s iso: (NAA, chicken, urist and LP all weighed in on that)
-killing someone widely scumread is suboptimal
-Syn was someone that Mac found sus?

But why does this particularly look bad for Syn again? Mac basically doesn’t even mention him.

Actually, now that I’ve properly looked through Mac’s iso, he had a mini back and forth with chicken where they were both calling bullshit to each other. Mac even voted chicken for a bit, and then circles back 24 hours later to again call chicken scum.
Earlier on, TSP was someone mac said was wolf, and I didn’t see him change opinion on either.

At the end, mac made clear that HK and myself were wolves, even going so far as to say with his dying breath “sheep me if I die” on HK.

MY CONCLUSION:
-LP’s narrative is that Mac dying looks bad for Syn, because no one scumread Syn (not true btw) and Mac was a suboptimal NK. While I feel this is distracting, and Syn isn’t the one that should have been NK’d, I do agree with LP’s line of thinking that mafia wouldn’t just kill mac for no reason when they’re not at risk of being blocked N1
-Mac’s death actually looks worst for le petit poisson, who Mac came back throughout the day to call wolf.
-Mac’s death looks great for HK imo and to a lesser extent me: an easy frame job that a wolf could point to and go “SEE? SEE? He said HK and Scotty were bad with his dying breath!”
But if you look at the bigger picture, mac was chicken’s biggest detractor throughout the day. Mac could just be a throwaway kill but I’m looking at a different angle: If there’s someone that would want Mac dead, it would be chicken.
-LP floating Syn’s name is just bizarre. It’s an independent thought that Syn looks wolfy ONLY because they weren’t killed because obviously they were the unanimous Townread. That viewpoint is so foreign, it’s on Mars.


Pulling poussin town to scumlean. More to come

I fail to see why you are treated me any different than both HK and you tbh. It's not like Mac said anything convincing outside "Raskol is a wolf". It's not like it got any traction. So, what are you up to heh?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:26 am @Scotty do you register that exasperation as caught mafia or annoyed town?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:44 am Dunya trying to pocket people & push DrWilgy in the same way she pushed Creature D1.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:45 am Prediction: it's going to be highly effective

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:27 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:26 am @Scotty do you register that exasperation as caught mafia or annoyed town?

I was exasperated yesterday too, and if I look at it in a vacuum? Town.

If I look at it as NK analytics? Wolf.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:27 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:44 am Dunya trying to pocket people & push DrWilgy in the same way she pushed Creature D1.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:45 am Prediction: it's going to be highly effective

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:28 am Have I towntold yet, NAA? Am I at 9000.00000 yet?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:26 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:20 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:03 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:20 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 7:32 pm Honestly Mac dying does look pretty bad for Syn.
Night 1 was the only night where Mafia was guaranteed their kill cannot be stopped.
Mafia not killing Syn is just a huge question mark and killing Mac is always suboptimal.

@Syn you have a fan, but she is a wolf. RIP

(well I am kinda joking about this one because it is so blatant - "look I didn't kill Mac")

If what LP has thought is true, they believe:
-Mac was widely scum read by…people. Just from looking through Mac’s iso: (NAA, chicken, urist and LP all weighed in on that)
-killing someone widely scumread is suboptimal
-Syn was someone that Mac found sus?

But why does this particularly look bad for Syn again? Mac basically doesn’t even mention him.

Actually, now that I’ve properly looked through Mac’s iso, he had a mini back and forth with chicken where they were both calling bullshit to each other. Mac even voted chicken for a bit, and then circles back 24 hours later to again call chicken scum.
Earlier on, TSP was someone mac said was wolf, and I didn’t see him change opinion on either.

At the end, mac made clear that HK and myself were wolves, even going so far as to say with his dying breath “sheep me if I die” on HK.

MY CONCLUSION:
-LP’s narrative is that Mac dying looks bad for Syn, because no one scumread Syn (not true btw) and Mac was a suboptimal NK. While I feel this is distracting, and Syn isn’t the one that should have been NK’d, I do agree with LP’s line of thinking that mafia wouldn’t just kill mac for no reason when they’re not at risk of being blocked N1
-Mac’s death actually looks worst for le petit poisson, who Mac came back throughout the day to call wolf.
-Mac’s death looks great for HK imo and to a lesser extent me: an easy frame job that a wolf could point to and go “SEE? SEE? He said HK and Scotty were bad with his dying breath!”
But if you look at the bigger picture, mac was chicken’s biggest detractor throughout the day. Mac could just be a throwaway kill but I’m looking at a different angle: If there’s someone that would want Mac dead, it would be chicken.
-LP floating Syn’s name is just bizarre. It’s an independent thought that Syn looks wolfy ONLY because they weren’t killed because obviously they were the unanimous Townread. That viewpoint is so foreign, it’s on Mars.


Pulling poussin town to scumlean. More to come

I fail to see why you are treated me any different than both HK and you tbh. It's not like Mac said anything convincing outside "Raskol is a wolf". It's not like it got any traction. So, what are you up to heh?

I’m entering it from the question: why would mafia kill mac?
I know I’m town, and if HK is wolf, it’s much too on the nose to want to kill mac for that. So I needed to look deeper into the killchoice.

And if it’s not for me or HK…it was you. And to a lesser extent TSP, but mac doesn’t circle around on TSP’s wolfiness throughout the day.
I think you two know each other, and this NK was your decision to not only knock off one of your only detractors, but also to attempt to frame me or HK.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:21 am All of Mac’s interactions with le petit poussin:

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:21 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:13 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:50 am Dolby (9)

Already too much of a tryhard

Well I am mostly bothered by the fact he seems to root for TRs badly and also liking that Syn's vote. I just don't wanna burry him yet because of recent bad experiences but yeah. lower null on Dolby.

HK and you are my only TRs so far. (rest is null really, this game is starting slowly)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:30 am Scotty and HK are probably mafia though so that's fun.

Sounds like we have a problem we should talk about.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:35 pm [VOTE: the small fish] aubergine

chicken wrote: Mac just seems too similar to our last game. Weak unexplained pushes. Feels pocketie again (I am not falling for cereals)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:57 am What pushes do I have that are unexplained and what about me is pockety?

Why don't you just admit to the blatant omgus?

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:57 am What pushes do I have that are unexplained and what about me is pockety?

Why don't you just admit to the blatant omgus?

lol like every single one of them. Show me where you articulated anything outside NAA (and why this isn't even TMI)

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:01 am Your face is a pocket Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:02 am So I am suspicious because I did not provide ample explanation for my early game random soulreads? I see.

Yes I am also prone to townreading people who overexplain early game reads and scumread those who just go with the flow expressing themselves. That is surely a path that will secure a town victory

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:06 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:02 am So I am suspicious because I did not provide ample explanation for my early game random soulreads? I see.

Mac: what unexplained pushes did I make?
Raskol: all of them.
Mac: yes, but that's not wolfy.
Raskol:

get real

I mean yes that was my thought progression. I didn't think that I had made ample enough reads lacking baselessness to be called out on such. Then I looked back, see a cpl of random reads I made that have no basis and decided you're suspicious for the shit push anyway. C'est la vie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:08 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:03 am Like I dunno, we didn't play that many games together, but I associate town!you with that Stormtossed play and it was radically different. Like you were burning the thread to the ground back then.

You are making a meta read based on a game I played a year ago when I try harded and survived four games and comparing it to this low effort day 1 play?

Okay. You are pretty much full of shit.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:08 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:03 am Like I dunno, we didn't play that many games together, but I associate town!you with that Stormtossed play and it was radically different. Like you were burning the thread to the ground back then.

You are making a meta read based on a game I played a year ago when I try harded and survived four games and comparing it to this low effort day 1 play?

Okay. You are pretty much full of shit.

Four days*

It's not like I played against wolf!Mac a couple of weeks ago.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:18 am oh god why am I even replying.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:28 am

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:18 am oh god why am I even replying.

Um the correct answer is because you are attempting to understand my perspectives and figure out my alignment right?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:33 am

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:31 am Mac / rask

I think you're both antagonizing each other with a bit of underhanded passive aggressiveness and you're actually just both town.

I mean I am quite aware that I am town but where does the confidence come from in your rask read?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:44 pm rask is still scum fwiw

The exasperation coming from poussin is palpable. Dunya comments that this argument looks like v/v, and mac questions this.
In the end, he doesn’t back down that chicken is mafia an hour before EoD. But chicken ain’t getting chopped, so he goes back to the Scotty/HK affair.

I legit think Mac was chicken’s biggest and maybe one of his only detractor(s), and killing mac only helps keep chicken in townland.