The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:51 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:49 pm It's not like Scotty + Alexy wolf team is endgaming here, Long Con. Like there is world where they win this if they're both mafia, after you outed your information. I just think there are some worlds where flipping Delta first could be good. I wanna read his flip

Well, the good news is, you're gonna get your wish!

If I die tonight, please honour my contributions.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:51 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:51 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:49 pm It's not like Scotty + Alexy wolf team is endgaming here, Long Con. Like there is world where they win this if they're both mafia, after you outed your information. I just think there are some worlds where flipping Delta first could be good. I wanna read his flip
Well, the good news is, you're gonna get your wish! If I die tonight, please honour my contributions.

yeah dont worry

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:53 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:39 pm Unless @Lime Coke and @DarlingMonroe show up, you're home free, Scotty. Especially since @Cape90 didn't seem to care that I very likely just caught the last two wolves.

I mean…the move here is to always kill delta first anyway. I know you think you solved the game but you didn’t, and putting me over right now instead of a confirmed 3p is just….a bad idea.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm**

delta flips mafia -> poggers

delta flips 3p -> someone needs to claim if they impacted the mech situation. if not, chop scotty. if scotty flips town, we just got screwed by mech that seems beyond our control, either a wild mafia role here or impact from other thread or something bizarre. unless long con mafia. but no way long con mafia. if he's mafia that's insane

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:37 pm I think you do have that role. It's the same as Tony's.
Bus driver chooses two people and everyone who targets A targets B and vice versa. That's a different role. Did either you or WWA use the wrong name?
Yeah, that is correct, but the role flipped as bus driver, apparently.

Bizarre. I did look at my role and its not labeled as anything, I just assumed it was a bus driver but I apparently am missing a gasket

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:55 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:37 pm I think you do have that role. It's the same as Tony's.
Bus driver chooses two people and everyone who targets A targets B and vice versa. That's a different role. Did either you or WWA use the wrong name?
Yeah, that is correct, but the role flipped as bus driver, apparently.
Bizarre. I did look at my role and its not labeled as anything, I just assumed it was a bus driver but I apparently am missing a gasket

oh yeah true role names aren't labeled. like jack's flip

@Long Con why did wwa claim he flipped as a bus driver? like ... did it have the name bus driver? did it not just have a description of a redirector and no label?

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:56 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:49 pm I thought I would be dying tonight.

I’d kill you tonite

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:56 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:45 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:37 pm I think you do have that role. It's the same as Tony's.
Bus driver chooses two people and everyone who targets A targets B and vice versa. That's a different role. Did either you or WWA use the wrong name?
Yeah, that is correct, but the role flipped as bus driver, apparently.
Bizarre. I did look at my role and its not labeled as anything, I just assumed it was a bus driver but I apparently am missing a gasket
oh yeah true role names aren't labeled. like jack's flip

@Long Con why did wwa claim he flipped as a bus driver? like ... did it have the name bus driver? did it not just have a description of a redirector and no label?

@Long Con

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:57 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm delta flips mafia -> poggers

delta flips 3p -> someone needs to claim if they impacted the mech situation. if not, chop scotty. if scotty flips town, we just got screwed by mech that seems beyond our control, either a wild mafia role here or impact from other thread or something bizarre. unless long con mafia. but no way long con mafia. if he's mafia that's insane

If I had this level of funky strategy as mafia, I'd be Lex Luthor.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:57 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm delta flips mafia -> poggers

delta flips 3p -> someone needs to claim if they impacted the mech situation. if not, chop scotty. if scotty flips town, we just got screwed by mech that seems beyond our control, either a wild mafia role here or impact from other thread or something bizarre. unless long con mafia. but no way long con mafia. if he's mafia that's insane

Yeah so

I’m town. If I’m wolf, how does this impact your Wilgy read, tutuu?

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:58 pm**

WWA is reading

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:58 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm delta flips mafia -> poggers

delta flips 3p -> someone needs to claim if they impacted the mech situation. if not, chop scotty. if scotty flips town, we just got screwed by mech that seems beyond our control, either a wild mafia role here or impact from other thread or something bizarre. unless long con mafia. but no way long con mafia. if he's mafia that's insane
If I had this level of funky strategy as mafia, I'd be Lex Luthor.

no doubt lmao

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:58 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:58 pm WWA is reading

she has 2 minutes

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:59 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:54 pm delta flips mafia -> poggers

delta flips 3p -> someone needs to claim if they impacted the mech situation. if not, chop scotty. if scotty flips town, we just got screwed by mech that seems beyond our control, either a wild mafia role here or impact from other thread or something bizarre. unless long con mafia. but no way long con mafia. if he's mafia that's insane
Yeah so

I’m town. If I’m wolf, how does this impact your Wilgy read, tutuu?

If you're wolf you are potentially wolves with Alexy depending on your flip and night actions. I can't say yet

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:59 pm**

ok well, good luck y’all.

Delta, I hope you’re just wolf

I hope we figure out why long con’s action didn’t work

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:59 pm**

She's double-checking her copy of the role.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:59 pm**

If LC dies so does WWA btw

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:59 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:59 pm ok well, good luck y’all.

Delta, I hope you’re just wolf

I hope we figure out why long con’s action didn’t work

My actions work fine. I'm fit as a fiddle.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:00 pm**

It does not say bus driver

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:00 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:59 pm She's double-checking her copy of the role.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:00 pm**

that was an error

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:00 pm**

just in WWA's notes, not official

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:00 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:00 pm just in WWA's notes, not official

very well thanks for clearing that up

less of a headache now

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:01 pm**

I have the same role as a wolf, and I claimed as such

Terrible wolf play tbh

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:02 pm**

Workday Three has ended. Delta was voted out. He was:

Spoiler: show

Closing Hours Three are underway and will last 24 hours. You have 23 hours to submit any actions.

Posted: **Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:12 pm**

Workday Three Poll

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:00 pm**

Closing Hours Three have ended. Long Con was retired. He was:

Spoiler: show

Long Con has been removed from the game.

Windward Away has been removed from the game.

Workday Four is underway. You have 48 hours to vote someone out.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:04 pm**

bummer

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:07 pm**

Hopefully someone cool joined our ranks here to give us more insight

RIP Long Con and WWA

Guess we don’t have any more protectives here. I used my last shot last night

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:07 pm**

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:09 pm**

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:10 pm**

No more Squidward.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:28 pm**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:09 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:28 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:07 pm Hopefully someone cool joined our ranks here to give us more insight

RIP Long Con and WWA

Guess we don’t have any more protectives here. I used my last shot last night

What did you do last night?

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:30 pm**

Delta chose to play as a wolf imo, he could have townsided from the start and imo it would have been better for both him and us.

Scotty and/or Alexy should be considered

One of them or both could be Mafia (I'm unsure yet chopping which one first is optimal), unless Mafia exactly roleblocked Long Con N1.

Wilgy could also be Mafia (mechanically) with either Scotty or Alexy anyway, even if Long Con was blocked N1

So we have the most equity chopping Alexy or Scotty today imo. If either of them flips town (and we can derive the info that Long Con was blocked n1) -> then we can sleep at MyLo, and chop Wilgy at LyLo imo

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:31 pm**

Long Con did die over a Mason, so. Really bad look for Scotty + Alexy.

Like if you're Mafia, and Scotty and Alexy both town, you just kill the mason there, and leave Long Con alive to mischop them

[v]Alexy[/v]

I haven't thought yet which one first is better, I thought about it earlier but I forgot. Like are there worlds where only one is mafia?

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:32 pm**

[VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

Also town masons + watcher + redirector + jailkeeper and mafia having no power roles is impossible. It's beyond broken and townsided.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:32 pm**

@DrWilgy Please don't come guns blazing at me, we might need to consider a world where we're both town

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:36 pm**

In either case something really ridiculous happened this game

Either:

1) Mafia randomly blocked Long Con n1, town Alexy claimed for realistically no reason, which caused town Scotty and town Long Con to claim and a whole mess began over nothing

or

2) mafia Alexy and mafia Scotty randomly decided to claim false actions for no reason, under no real pressure, only to get outed by a basic Mafia role that they should know could be possible (tracking, roleblocking, etc)

In either case this is absurd lol

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:30 pm Delta chose to play as a wolf imo, he could have townsided from the start and imo it would have been better for both him and us.

Scotty and/or Alexy should be considered

One of them or both could be Mafia (I'm unsure yet chopping which one first is optimal), unless Mafia exactly roleblocked Long Con N1.

Wilgy could also be Mafia (mechanically) with either Scotty or Alexy anyway, even if Long Con was blocked N1

So we have the most equity chopping Alexy or Scotty today imo. If either of them flips town (and we can derive the info that Long Con was blocked n1) -> then we can sleep at MyLo, and chop Wilgy at LyLo imo

I hear you.

I am only wolf in a world where I am partners with alexy. I do not personally even think alexy is wolf. Objectively, yeeting me at this stage is taking away a big talker. I’m soooooooo obvious town but I get it. LC’s mech is a quandary.

I’d rather chop Lime Coke, who is happy to just vote Wilgy here. Talk about someone just sleepwalking through this game

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm**

I think there is a world where Alexy is mafia and Scotty is town. From town Scotty's pov, he did attempt to target PSV (or as it DM? doesn't matter). Long Con stopped him. So in this case Alexy is the liar for claiming Scotty successfully visited his target. (Why would she lie about this though? I don't know, it makes no sense to me)

Is there a world where only Scotty is mafia and Alexy is town? I don't think so right? No there is - only if Long Con was roleblocked by Mafia n1.

So that world would be exactly Scotty - Mafia Redirector + Wilgy Mafia Roleblocker who blocked Long Con N1

So Alexy isn't necessarily the optimal choice

Scotty over Alexy could be better. It depends. Like it depends on social reads, there's no clear mechanical better first chop here imo

No hammer so I don't need to overthink it yet

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:43 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:28 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:07 pm Hopefully someone cool joined our ranks here to give us more insight

RIP Long Con and WWA

Guess we don’t have any more protectives here. I used my last shot last night
What did you do last night?

I had Lime Coke redirect onto Wilgy.

Now that I’m basically VT, I also must admit that my role is even less cool than even previously admitted- I can’t even redirect kills.

I probably haven’t even done anything with my role so far

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:43 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm I am only wolf in a world where I am partners with alexy.

No, there is a world you are mafia and Alexy is town

Scotty - Mafia Redirector + Wilgy Mafia Roleblocker who blocked Long Con N1

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm I’d rather chop Lime Coke, who is happy to just vote Wilgy here. Talk about someone just sleepwalking through this game

Did you not just do the exact same thing? Is this not hypocritical? Why is it scummy for Lime Coke but not for you?

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:45 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:31 pm Long Con did die over a Mason, so. Really bad look for Scotty + Alexy.

Like if you're Mafia, and Scotty and Alexy both town, you just kill the mason there, and leave Long Con alive to mischop them

[v]Alexy[/v]

I haven't thought yet which one first is better, I thought about it earlier but I forgot. Like are there worlds where only one is mafia?

If I’m mafia, I’m not killing LC, I’m killing you last night.
I had you pegged as the NK last night

Anyway, could I be wrong about Alexy? Yeah, maybe. I’ll do some DD on that slot later

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:47 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:45 pm If I’m mafia, I’m not killing LC, I’m killing you last night.

Why? I claimed VT. Darling Monroe is confirmed mason. And why would you not kill Long Con, he really wanted you dead? Anyway asking and answering this doesn't matter, if you are Mafia of course you'd lie, so

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:32 pm [VOTE: Alexy] aubergine

Also town masons + watcher + redirector + jailkeeper and mafia having no power roles is impossible. It's beyond broken and townsided.

Alexy + Scotty both town means we are living in this setup:

Town:

Mason
Mason
Jailkeeper
Redirector
Watcher
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT

Mafia:
Roleblocker
Goon
Goon(?) (No evidence of action)

3p

This is a beyond ridiculously townsided setup

So, I think it's safe to say there should be at least one mafia in Scotty and Alexy

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:43 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm I am only wolf in a world where I am partners with alexy.
No, there is a world you are mafia and Alexy is town

Scotty - Mafia Redirector + Wilgy Mafia Roleblocker who blocked Long Con N1

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:41 pm I’d rather chop Lime Coke, who is happy to just vote Wilgy here. Talk about someone just sleepwalking through this game
Did you not just do the exact same thing? Is this not hypocritical? Why is it scummy for Lime Coke but not for you?

No.

Alexy said he saw me visit psv N1.

I confirmed that.

Longcon said he blocked me.

So either we’re both lying or long con was redirected/blocked. That’s how I see it.

“Did you not just do the exact same thing? Is this not hypocritical? Why is it scummy for Lime Coke but not for you?”
No, tutuu. Because I’ve been far more engaged with this game than Lime Coke. He is far more aloof. Check his iso.

Come on. This isn’t a comparison and I’m kinda peeved you’re even questioning that. You even said I’m socially town, which I’m not even sure what that means, but that sounds cool.

I wouldn’t say Lime Coke is ‘socially town’. Would you?

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:57 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm No.

Alexy said he saw me visit psv N1.

I confirmed that.

Longcon said he blocked me.

You being mafia and Alexy being town should be a self-explanatory mechanical possibility. We keep discussing the possibility of Long Con being roleblocked. Which is that. Long Con doesn't know if he's roleblocked. You don't know if your action goes through. Alexy could be town regardless of your alignment. From her pov - you visited. From your pov - you think you visited, but you can't know for sure. From LC's pov - he thinks he blocked you, but he can't know for sure.

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:57 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:53 pm So either we’re both lying or long con was redirected/blocked. That’s how I see it.

Oh you mentioned it here. Well yes, that's my point.

So what's up with you saying no? It sounds like yes to me. Like it's a possibility

Posted: **Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:07 pm**

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:45 pm If I’m mafia, I’m not killing LC, I’m killing you last night.
Why? I claimed VT. Darling Monroe is confirmed mason. And why would you not kill Long Con, he really wanted you dead? Anyway asking and answering this doesn't matter, if you are Mafia of course you'd lie, so

LC implied or admitted (somewhere if my memory serves me right) he was out of shots. So VT-ness has nothing to do with it.

I would’ve gone for you as a top town voice and doc dodge

But mafia have not doc dodged this whole game.

Ever.

Makes you wonder if they’re even paying attention

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