The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so I will admit MR's voting record is an absolute joke, especially since it's 3/4 throwaway.

But I just can't shake there's really nothing else to the case on him. I didn't really find anything else blatantly suspicious... but I guess that could be interpreted as such if I thought he was not being genuine.

So for example, what makes someone more suspicious than him? I am just curious what beats a voting record for you? Part of me thought that scum would not throw away votes so obviously, but when you look at his latest vote it is done in a way to kind of look like it's not a throwaway. He assures that he'd be okay with a lynch of other players but doesn't contribute. One of the scummiest votes I have seen this game.

I guess suspicious is technically a matter of complete interpretation when all is said and done, but I would say there has to be some combination of voting records, perceived manipulative or deceptive behavior, interactions with known teammates, and post content.

Maybe I'm just wrong about MR, I don't know. I just can't help that it doesn't seem really out of character for him and that I just don't think he's a baddie here -- if it makes sense, I suppose it's not that dissimilar from the fact that I think Lou's behavior is real scummylike but you say it's normal for her and not scummy at all.

I will admit his most recent vote bugs the hell out of me. But what benefit would he have to act like that if he were bad?

Maybe I just should shut up, I don't know. But the problem with that is 1) I love to talk (in mafia games); (2) if no one ever talked, we'd never uncover anything.

I'm just feeling very cluttered and scatterbrained; I don't like how we haven't had a successful lynch yet. I feel like I'm grounded in certain beliefs, but who is to say I'm even right about those? I mean, what if I'm wrong about Epig and MR, or what if I was actually right about S~V~S and I backed off? Or what if I am right about Lou, coincidentally, and you're defending her for being 'normal' rightfully so but her game just doesn't differ in this case? I guess sometimes you kind of just have to stop the second (or third... or fourth... or infinite) guessing at some point and just make a subjective evaluation of how someone is acting based on those criteria I specified above, otherwise you could just keep guessing forever.

I don't know if that answers your question at all... but hopefully it helps you understand where I'm at.

Did you finish any of your re-reads yet?

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, so I will admit MR's voting record is an absolute joke, especially since it's 3/4 throwaway.

But I just can't shake there's really nothing else to the case on him. I didn't really find anything else blatantly suspicious... but I guess that could be interpreted as such if I thought he was not being genuine.

So for example, what makes someone more suspicious than him? I am just curious what beats a voting record for you? Part of me thought that scum would not throw away votes so obviously, but when you look at his latest vote it is done in a way to kind of look like it's not a throwaway. He assures that he'd be okay with a lynch of other players but doesn't contribute. One of the scummiest votes I have seen this game.

I guess suspicious is technically a matter of complete interpretation when all is said and done, but I would say there has to be some combination of voting records, perceived manipulative or deceptive behavior, interactions with known teammates, and post content.

Maybe I'm just wrong about MR, I don't know. I just can't help that it doesn't seem really out of character for him and that I just don't think he's a baddie here -- if it makes sense, I suppose it's not that dissimilar from the fact that I think Lou's behavior is real scummylike but you say it's normal for her and not scummy at all.

I will admit his most recent vote bugs the hell out of me. But what benefit would he have to act like that if he were bad?

Maybe I just should shut up, I don't know. But the problem with that is 1) I love to talk (in mafia games); (2) if no one ever talked, we'd never uncover anything.

I'm just feeling very cluttered and scatterbrained; I don't like how we haven't had a successful lynch yet. I feel like I'm grounded in certain beliefs, but who is to say I'm even right about those? I mean, what if I'm wrong about Epig and MR, or what if I was actually right about S~V~S and I backed off? Or what if I am right about Lou, coincidentally, and you're defending her for being 'normal' rightfully so but her game just doesn't differ in this case? I guess sometimes you kind of just have to stop the second (or third... or fourth... or infinite) guessing at some point and just make a subjective evaluation of how someone is acting based on those criteria I specified above, otherwise you could just keep guessing forever.

I don't know if that answers your question at all... but hopefully it helps you understand where I'm at.

Did you finish any of your re-reads yet?

So these types of votes are in character?
And no I haven't really reread, I tried but I just don't think I have it in me...you're definitely dedicated, which makes me not want to vote you, even though that'd be stupid if you are scum.

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

Well, FZ threw out maybe five or six names as suspicious before getting killed. That provides a lot of cover; the names were "SVS, Epig, Bass (I think that's him), Lizzie, Zany dex, Lou," so Lizzy could justifiably claim that the kill came from one of five other sources. It's her other behavior that pushed me to vote her over these candidates.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Really? You think the SK would be so obvious? I would think it wouldnt be a smart move to kill someone who directly suspects you, especially for that role. Lizzy certainly has her own style, but she's a damn fine baddie/indie usually. Your encouraging others to vote for Lizzy on this basis makes me you for the first time Boomer.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Really? You think the SK would be so obvious? I would think it wouldnt be a smart move to kill someone who directly suspects you, especially for that role. Lizzy certainly has her own style, but she's a damn fine baddie/indie usually. Your encouraging others to vote for Lizzy on this basis makes me you for the first time Boomer.

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

Well, FZ threw out maybe five or six names as suspicious before getting killed. That provides a lot of cover; the names were "SVS, Epig, Bass (I think that's him), Lizzie, Zany dex, Lou," so Lizzy could justifiably claim that the kill came from one of five other sources. It's her other behavior that pushed me to vote her over these candidates.

kneel4justice wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

Well, FZ threw out maybe five or six names as suspicious before getting killed. That provides a lot of cover; the names were "SVS, Epig, Bass (I think that's him), Lizzie, Zany dex, Lou," so Lizzy could justifiably claim that the kill came from one of five other sources. It's her other behavior that pushed me to vote her over these candidates.

How did I miss all of this? I saw Lizzy's posts regarding the SK but not yours.
What would you classify as "other behavior", it seems like people over here do not explain as much as I am used to. Then again, maybe I missed it..

Boomslang wrote: As I've posted before, the other behavior consisted of being really blendy (in a self-conscious, self-deprecating style) and dropping hints about being indie. For example:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 723#p44723 "I'll try to fly under radar and hope no-one takes notice."

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 432#p45432 "Why did you randomize?" "Because I can."

And most interestingly to me,

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 436#p45436 "Poor indies, no-one gives a toss about them."

Followed by http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 539#p46539 "I believe FZ was a player offed by an indie SK. That being said she seemed fairly civ-ish to me."

I feel that there's likely more to that winky-face than meets the eye.

kneel4justice wrote:

Boomslang wrote: As I've posted before, the other behavior consisted of being really blendy (in a self-conscious, self-deprecating style) and dropping hints about being indie. For example:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 723#p44723 "I'll try to fly under radar and hope no-one takes notice."

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 432#p45432 "Why did you randomize?" "Because I can."

And most interestingly to me,

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 436#p45436 "Poor indies, no-one gives a toss about them."

Followed by http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 539#p46539 "I believe FZ was a player offed by an indie SK. That being said she seemed fairly civ-ish to me."

I feel that there's likely more to that winky-face than meets the eye.

The only things I have noticed about Lizzy are:
1. She was the first to vote for Mongoose and I do not recall prior discussion (could be wrong)
2. Her post today that she said she is very bad and encourages people to vote for her. It's strange to me, I'm not sure what the purpose of it is.

As for the winking face, I thought it was just teasing because the story clearly stated that she was killed by Triple H. As a SK, why would she bother with a double meaning behind that? It would be suicidal. Also I tend to agree with the idea that she would not miss out on kills, I don't think she'd plan that as an excuse and hold off on kills before this past night. Perhaps she was blocked or something though.

As for the other types of strange comments I feel like that is just in her personality/way she plays the game. Have you played with her before? If so has she not acted like this before?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Where is everyone thinking of voting?

MovingPictures07 wrote:So... seems I may need to vote to save myself.

Problem with that is I don't know who might even be closest to me at poll's end or whether I actually think that person is bad.

S~V~S wrote:I would prefer to vote for Devin~ i think he's evil like Satan or Justin Beiber or some other such evil individual is evil. But I have 2 votes, and I think MP is probably bad as well~ so i am putting my vote there. *Voting MP*

I have the next 5 days off, with no major plans, so I will finally be able to make time for my games

Sorry Sock if you are a good sock, but i doubt it.

kneel4justice wrote:

Boomslang wrote: As I've posted before, the other behavior consisted of being really blendy (in a self-conscious, self-deprecating style) and dropping hints about being indie. For example:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 723#p44723 "I'll try to fly under radar and hope no-one takes notice."

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 432#p45432 "Why did you randomize?" "Because I can."

And most interestingly to me,

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 436#p45436 "Poor indies, no-one gives a toss about them."

Followed by http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 539#p46539 "I believe FZ was a player offed by an indie SK. That being said she seemed fairly civ-ish to me."

I feel that there's likely more to that winky-face than meets the eye.

The only things I have noticed about Lizzy are:
1. She was the first to vote for Mongoose and I do not recall prior discussion (could be wrong)
2. Her post today that she said she is very bad and encourages people to vote for her. It's strange to me, I'm not sure what the purpose of it is.

As for the winking face, I thought it was just teasing because the story clearly stated that she was killed by Triple H. As a SK, why would she bother with a double meaning behind that? It would be suicidal. Also I tend to agree with the idea that she would not miss out on kills, I don't think she'd plan that as an excuse and hold off on kills before this past night. Perhaps she was blocked or something though.

As for the other types of strange comments I feel like that is just in her personality/way she plays the game. Have you played with her before? If so has she not acted like this before?

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Where is everyone thinking of voting?

Probably in my bedroom, given that that's where my laptop lives

I really don't understand this sudden movement against you, and if you are lynched today and turn up bad I'll be surprised. I won't be voting you though, not unless you post a screenshot of your role PM showing you as a member of a baddie team. But then you'd be modkilled so there'd be no point. I do find it interesting to note that everyone who has voted you so far is a fairly low poster...

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So... seems I may need to vote to save myself.

Problem with that is I don't know who might even be closest to me at poll's end or whether I actually think that person is bad.

Who would you vote for if you did not have any votes and did not need to save yourself?

Hedgeowl wrote:Hmm, I find this push for MP interesting as well. I have been considering Spacedaisy's vote more. MP what do you think of her vote? I hAve been wondering if the excuse of your vacation was a little too convenient to get you lynched.

kneel4justice wrote:What's interesting is how Day 0 everyone was quick to tell me to back off of MP and now the votes are steadily increasing.

Bullzeye wrote:I feel like so far every day in this game the votes have been really spread out

S~V~S wrote: And K4J, I just can't win, can I?

Bullzeye wrote:Hmmm... I feel like so far every day in this game the votes have been really spread out and I've almost always contributed to that by voting people who didn't already have one so today I will try to vote someone who has votes already unless I find I'm not suspicious of anyone.

kneel4justice wrote:

S~V~S wrote: And K4J, I just can't win, can I?

GAH!! You and MP with these kind of comments. They are SO suspicious!!
Seriously, can someone tell me if these type of comments are normal for you guys? On KSITE you'd all be long gone. They just feel so emotionally appealing to me!

kneel4justice wrote:

S~V~S wrote: And K4J, I just can't win, can I?

GAH!! You and MP with these kind of comments. They are SO suspicious!!
Seriously, can someone tell me if these type of comments are normal for you guys? On KSITE you'd all be long gone. They just feel so emotionally appealing to me!

Epignosis wrote:MP - two tells.

But still not sure. scum

Epignosis wrote:MP - two tells.

But still not sure. scum

kneel4justice wrote:

Epignosis wrote:MP - two tells.

But still not sure. scum

Hm, interesting. Makes me wonder if I was right in what I saw and now I am being driven by doubt.
Wish I had better feelings on MP to save him because it's been a pleasure playing with him.

What do you think about SVS?
What do you think about MR?
What do you think about Sorsha?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Epignosis wrote:MP - two tells.

But still not sure. scum

Hm, interesting. Makes me wonder if I was right in what I saw and now I am being driven by doubt.
Wish I had better feelings on MP to save him because it's been a pleasure playing with him.

What do you think about SVS?
What do you think about MR?
What do you think about Sorsha?

Please save me, I'm not bad, I swear.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Where is everyone thinking of voting?

Probably in my bedroom, given that that's where my laptop lives

I really don't understand this sudden movement against you, and if you are lynched today and turn up bad I'll be surprised. I won't be voting you though, not unless you post a screenshot of your role PM showing you as a member of a baddie team. But then you'd be modkilled so there'd be no point. I do find it interesting to note that everyone who has voted you so far is a fairly low poster...

LOL, nice answer.

I appreciate that. If you had to vote right now who would it be for?

kneel4justice wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Epignosis wrote:MP - two tells.

But still not sure. scum

Hm, interesting. Makes me wonder if I was right in what I saw and now I am being driven by doubt.
Wish I had better feelings on MP to save him because it's been a pleasure playing with him.

What do you think about SVS?
What do you think about MR?
What do you think about Sorsha?

Please save me, I'm not bad, I swear.

OMG. Did you do this on purpose? These type of comments are so suspicious on KSITE. But apparently not here? I just don't know how to scum hunt on this site if these comments are made by both scum and townies..

Bullzeye wrote:
I'm actually not sure. I'm going to reverse my decision to only vote for someone who already has a vote because I don't have any strong feelings about most of them. Of the vote-getters, Bass looks kinda off to me but I don't think I can justify a vote for him right now. I feel the same about Dom actually, I could see what people were saying about the case on him but at the same time his own posts remind me of a less aggressive version of our interactions in Bioshock. Of Sorsha and DP, I still think at least one is a bandwagoning baddie and some of Sorsha's posts have raised my suspicions a bit.

Boomslang's thing about Lizzy seemed strange (because he seems to think she's hinting at being the SK), but I'm not sure if I think that means he's bad or just didn't think it through. I can't see even the zaniest of zany players admitting to being an LMS role, not even to celebrate Saint Zany's Day. A lot of people are also just too quiet for my liking. Dex and Elo spring to mind.

I may end up just sticking with my day 3 suspicions at this point but I'm gonna try to do a quick overview of everyone and see how I feel.

kneel4justice wrote:I wish my other half, FZ was here. LOL

kneel4justice wrote:I suspect MP for his emotional appeals and his (not sure how to label it?) shift of opinions. It appears that emotional appeals are normal on this site and his shift of opinions could be genuine confusion, plus I have seen him sold on something (Lou) which kind of excuses him from the shifty opinions because it proved that he was not afraid to make a solid case and stand by it. Yeah he has kind of backed off, but rightfully so, if you ask me because I would expect him to trust me at least for a little while, on my interpretation of her behavior.

SVS, I think my main concerns with her are more "solid" than MP, because they're actions rather than general style. What I still to this day don't like is how she thought Mongoose was scum for crossing the threads, (she defended this, I totally forget what she said, maybe I need to go back and check). I know she felt that Mongoose was trying to stay offtopic because of a lie detector, but I don't know about this one. Anyone who used this is just suspicious to me. Then there is her latest vote for MP that is almost a: I have to do this, instead of I want to do this kind of vote, which pings me.

Then there is MR, who just throws most of his votes away, and that is super suspicious to me but apparently not out of character.

Of course Sorsha's vote for Vomps was suspicious to me too and her defensiveness around it. But she is kind of on the back burner because I haven't seen anything else from her to reenforce my feelings.

Hedgeowl wrote:
I cant really speak to her Mongoose vote, but so far her behavior has seemed "normal" to me. Lizzy's post about the Meat Boy game was particularly genuine to me. We gunned for each other quite a bit in that game as civ-civ sadly. Sneaky sneaky baddies. However, if Lizzy were bad I would never be shocked. I highly doubt she is the SK as others have said.

Linki- oh really? Day 0 you say. Hmm, that is interesting. It is true that MP is lynched very often, so at least Day 1 people might give him botd. I have him on my possible suspect list, but honestly he has been working so hard to uncover baddies I just cant see it this game so far.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Bullz, what do you think of S~V~S this game?