The Syndicate

Have I not been clear on this, that you keep bringing up the same point over and over and over again?

I guess we're at a mutually confused impasse.

No, I am not confused. I know why I did not die. I have no idea about deflection or why someone may have died other than me. Just like I have no idea why most things unrelated to my role happen in this, or any other, game.

Well, that escalated quickly

Lots to think about...

What escalated,exactly?

Spiral asked me the same question over and over and over again. I answered him over and over and over again.

I am beginning to feel like the civ flavor of the day today, tbh. And I will not go gently into that good night

Nope.

White Queen wrote:What escalated,exactly?

The copious amounts of death (sorry, just wanted to quote Anchorman). Not referring to anyone in particular, m'lady

Phoenix wrote:

White Queen wrote:What escalated,exactly?

The copious amounts of death (sorry, just wanted to quote Anchorman). Not referring to anyone in particular, m'lady

And when I say lots to think about, I also mean your response to Spiral makes me think you're different from what I thought, role-wise. More investigation needed, but you're not my "flavor" so far today, if that helps

Ha, you cannot kill the Morlock King. Foolish mortals.

White Queen, survivor alliance?

White Queen wrote:No, I am not confused. I know why I did not die. I have no idea about deflection or why someone may have died other than me. Just like I have no idea why most things unrelated to my role happen in this, or any other, game.

My confusion is that I don't see you surviving anything.
I see a kill redirected from you.

However, the fact that no one has yet to come to your defense at all makes me feel a bit better.

I'm sorry...

but this NEVER gets old.

Spiral wrote:

White Queen wrote:No, I am not confused. I know why I did not die. I have no idea about deflection or why someone may have died other than me. Just like I have no idea why most things unrelated to my role happen in this, or any other, game.

My confusion is that I don't see you surviving anything.
I see a kill redirected from you.

However, the fact that no one has yet to come to your defense at all makes me feel a bit better.

It may have been a slip? I'm guessing the action was redirected, but since White Queen is also saying it would not have gone through anyway, she meant that she has NK-protection.

Now I'm confused though, why are you expecting someone to come to her defense?

Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry...

but this NEVER gets old.

Polaris wrote:

Spiral wrote:

White Queen wrote:No, I am not confused. I know why I did not die. I have no idea about deflection or why someone may have died other than me. Just like I have no idea why most things unrelated to my role happen in this, or any other, game.

My confusion is that I don't see you surviving anything.
I see a kill redirected from you.

However, the fact that no one has yet to come to your defense at all makes me feel a bit better.

It may have been a slip? I'm guessing the action was redirected, but since White Queen is also saying it would not have gone through anyway, she meant that she has NK-protection.

Now I'm confused though, why are you expecting someone to come to her defense?

If White Queen were bad, I would think her team would have something to say about that.

Spiral wrote:

Polaris wrote:

Spiral wrote:

White Queen wrote:No, I am not confused. I know why I did not die. I have no idea about deflection or why someone may have died other than me. Just like I have no idea why most things unrelated to my role happen in this, or any other, game.

My confusion is that I don't see you surviving anything.
I see a kill redirected from you.

However, the fact that no one has yet to come to your defense at all makes me feel a bit better.

It may have been a slip? I'm guessing the action was redirected, but since White Queen is also saying it would not have gone through anyway, she meant that she has NK-protection.

Now I'm confused though, why are you expecting someone to come to her defense?

If White Queen were bad, I would think her team would have something to say about that.

I'm looking through the roles and I'm not seeing any of the brotherhood who are protected from death (assuming the secret Mystique is dead). Civs and indies on the other hand...

i think there are plenty of prizes out there-- this is an Epig game.

It does not discount me from thinking she is an Indy-- however.

Are there really that many? None of them have found me?

Polaris wrote:Are there really that many? None of them have found me?

I would imagine so. I haven't found any either, now that you mention it. But in my past Epig games, there have been a few prizes.

Anyway, I'm less likely to think White Queen is a baddie anyway. Indi- maybe. Civ- maybe. I just found her post about her survival interesting. I did not read it as a survival, but rather, a redirect.

Surprised no one else is talking yet, to be honest.

I read it the same way, Spiral.

WQ, I think the confusion stemmed from you saying you know how the kill failed once it reached you, while Spiral was saying the post read like it never reached you at all. I read it the same way as Spiral. Hope that helps clear things up.

So, who we lynchin' today?

OK, I guess I misread the post. But that makes more sense, I guess, even though Mojos death appears to have been from redirection as well in that case; I thought there was only one redirection power.

Which is kind of confusing, since I do not see how four targets can be switched?

But in any case, I did not redirect it myself, and have no idea how that happened.

That was my point-- you could not have known how it happened unless you, yourself, redirected the target. But you claimed to. I thought you might be a baddie trying to pass their "survival" as someone with a civvie protection. I've done that fairly recently and it got me lynched as the baddie leader.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:I read it the same way, Spiral.

WQ, I think the confusion stemmed from you saying you know how the kill failed once it reached you, while Spiral was saying the post read like it never reached you at all. I read it the same way as Spiral. Hope that helps clear things up.

So, who we lynchin' today?

Who do you want to lynch today? Either myself, Vision, or White Queen, right? You said the other day that you had figured out a large portion of the Brotherhood. Should be simple, shouldn't it?

White Queen wrote:OK, I guess I misread the post. But that makes more sense, I guess, even though Mojos death appears to have been from redirection as well in that case; I thought there was only one redirection power.

Which is kind of confusing, since I do not see how four targets can be switched?

But in any case, I did not redirect it myself, and have no idea how that happened.

Four targets? Are you also hinting that you were redirected too? You've been a bit sketchy so far today White Queen.

It's interesting looking back at Mikhail Rasputin's voting history. He has quite an impressive history of not avoiding voting for lynched civvies.


Day 1: MR replaced in on Night 1, so he wasn't around for the first lynch

Day 2: Did not vote. T-Bird (Forge) was lynched.

Day 3: Voted for Polaris. Quicksilver(Psylocke) was lynched. MR came in after the fact questioning the votes on T-Bird while calling QS suspicious...also called out Sunfire. He made posts saying that he reread Quicksilver and Sunfire. His conclusion on Sunfire was that he was less suspicious of him, but that he would be keeping an eye on him. His post on Quicksilver concluded that he was still suspicious. After those two posts, he said he would be deciding between Spiral and Quicksilver. He uses the rest of Day 3 to ease away from his Quicksilver suspicion and eventually landed on Polaris....convenient.

Day 4: Voted for Sebastian Shaw. Exodus (Gambit or Mystique) was lynched.

Day 5.1: Voted for Domino (Gambit or Mystique) and Domino was lynched.

Day 5.2: voted for me (Havok) while Sunfire got lynched.

So, looking at his votes, his hands are quite clean. Whether he has ever voted for a lynched civvie would depend on your outlook on which was the real Gambit. I find it interesting that he avoided voting for Exodus, but he did vote for Domino. But now of course he is of the belief that Domino was the real Gambit and Exodus was really Mystique.

I will be interested to see how Mikhail Rasputin will avoid voting out a civvie today.

I have more to add on this, but I have to leave for a few hours to run some errands. Hopefully, I will be back in plenty of time to catch up and add to the discussion that's going on at the time. I really hope that my fellow X-Men don't let MR lead them down the wrong path today.

EBWOP: He has quite an impressive history of not avoiding voting for lynched civvies.

White Queen wrote: Which is kind of confusing, since I do not see how four targets can be switched?

I know, I was a bit confused by that as well. Like someone said, prizes, I guess.

Havok wrote:

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:I read it the same way, Spiral.

WQ, I think the confusion stemmed from you saying you know how the kill failed once it reached you, while Spiral was saying the post read like it never reached you at all. I read it the same way as Spiral. Hope that helps clear things up.

So, who we lynchin' today?

Who do you want to lynch today? Either myself, Vision, or White Queen, right? You said the other day that you had figured out a large portion of the Brotherhood. Should be simple, shouldn't it?

Yeah, pretty much, but a little discussion never hurts. I also think Magneto's power is worth considering: today he gets to protect 2 people, more or less. I'd prefer to pick someone he's not protecting to lynch, if that's possible.

Havok wrote:EBWOP: He has quite an impressive history of not avoiding voting for lynched civvies.

Thanks! My plan is to only vote for baddies, so it's handy to have a review that says I'm doing so well.

He ordered the two Soboter in the world. Don't want to leave. Death as good as possible.

wrong. This is a very big market.

Mikhail, you don't see how that could perk an eyebrow or two?
I think it's kind of a weak theory, but yeah.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:

Havok wrote:EBWOP: He has quite an impressive history of not avoiding voting for lynched civvies.

Thanks! My plan is to only vote for baddies, so it's handy to have a review that says I'm doing so well.

When you are a baddie, you've typically got a good knowledge of who the civvies are (process of elimination of course). So what Havok said could be a sign of that.

The Vision wrote:He ordered the two Soboter in the world. Don't want to leave. Death as good as possible.

Have you been lunafied?

Which theory? Oh, Havok saying I haven't voted for lynched civs.

I mean, yeah, I can see how it would. I also think it's a weak case, and to my mind, Havok has been so thoroughly discredited that I'd be unlikely to believe just about anything he said. However, as a baddie before I definitely have tried to not lynch too many civs because it looks suspicious.

I did vote to lynch Domino, who, as Havok said, I'm pretty sure now was civ. I voted Polaris, who I'm leaning more civ than baddie on right now, and I also more or less got the lynch train rolling on QS, though I did also try to stop it and not actually vote QS myself. So if he's saying I look too squeaky-clean, he's off base.

I think the past few days speak for themselves, is basically what it comes down to. I haven't voted for lynched civs and I think that's a good thing. I was trying all day yesterday to steer people away from a Sunfire lynch, while Havok and others were steering them toward one. We can all see where that got us.

Linki: Hmm! Maybe more people do believe in Havok than I thought. Thanks for asking me to defend, Spiral.

Just a theory on Professor X. Maybe he had found Sunfire and recruited him. He wanted to recruit Cyclops next, and so he wanted no one to vote for Sunfire except for Cyclops (hence the info he passed on). A bit of a stretch, but after Sunfire's flip it seems slightly possible.

@ Mikhail. I don't recall you steering people away from Sunfire at the beginning. At the end yes, but Havok had also volunteered to be lynched, so I see that slightly more of a help than a hinder.

@ Mikhail again. And what do you think about the four redirected actions? I didn't count that many in the day post, but you seem to know what's going on.

iywg Mojo, Cable, Bastion.

Since Pyro has carried the night kill for the Brotherhood, can we assume that Sabretooth is dead? If that is the case, there are two possibilities: a) Dazzler was Sabretooth and the night kill was redirected (oh the irony!) which makes Exodus the real Gambit, but I still have a hard time believing that [SHADOWCAT, if you can talk about it, is there a chance that there might have been more than one baddie who voted for that poll option?]; b) Mystique's powers can make one of her teammates or any other player appear as someone else, not just herself.

To answer Havok's question from a few pages back, I think Domino was the real Gambit because why the hell would Mystique commit suicide? What did she prove by doing that? Who did she set up? It does not make any sense. Exodus had the same piece of information that Shadowcat had, he barely pulled a weak NO U.

Thanks to Sunfire I can now trust at least two players, Avalanche and Banshee. I trust Rasputin not being a baddie. Unlike White Queen who survived because of a redirect, he probably survived because of something else on Night 4.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Linki: Hmm! Maybe more people do believe in Havok than I thought. Thanks for asking me to defend, Spiral.

Something I never figured out. What does linki mean?

RAsputin, I actually questioned Havok there, saying his point was very weak.
I don't see what you're saying.

Linki means linkitis, and it's when you get the alert saying posts have been made since you last refreshed. it comes from a user who was notorious for doing before we had such alerts-- link mccloud.

Polaris wrote:Just a theory on Professor X. Maybe he had found Sunfire and recruited him. He wanted to recruit Cyclops next, and so he wanted no one to vote for Sunfire except for Cyclops (hence the info he passed on). A bit of a stretch, but after Sunfire's flip it seems slightly possible.

That is way too risky, and something tells me Cyclops had been recruited by Xavier before that sun post.

Hawkeye wrote:Thanks to Sunfire I can now trust at least two players, Avalanche and Banshee. I trust Rasputin not being a baddie. Unlike White Queen who survived because of a redirect, he probably survived because of something else on Night 4.

I know Avalanche has been generally trusted, though not always helpful (considering he's always been silenced). But why Banshee? And Rasputin didn't survive any NK's last night. Unless I'm missing something.

Linki: (yay I did it) I guess that could have happened? I only posted that hypothesis because I don't see how it could hurt anyone at this point.

Polaris wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:Thanks to Sunfire I can now trust at least two players, Avalanche and Banshee. I trust Rasputin not being a baddie. Unlike White Queen who survived because of a redirect, he probably survived because of something else on Night 4.

I know Avalanche has been generally trusted, though not always helpful (considering he's always been silenced). But why Banshee? And Rasputin didn't survive any NK's last night. Unless I'm missing something.

Linki: (yay I did it) I guess that could have happened? I only posted that hypothesis because I don't see how it could hurt anyone at this point.

Sunfire wrote: And to tell everyone who I feel good about...I am most certain that Avalanche, Hawkeye, and Banshee are good and in that order.

Rasputin might have survived an attempt from Apocalypse on Night 4. At least that's how I interpreted it from the night post and the info from our host.

Polaris wrote:Just a theory on Professor X. Maybe he had found Sunfire and recruited him. He wanted to recruit Cyclops next, and so he wanted no one to vote for Sunfire except for Cyclops (hence the info he passed on). A bit of a stretch, but after Sunfire's flip it seems slightly possible.

@ Mikhail. I don't recall you steering people away from Sunfire at the beginning. At the end yes, but Havok had also volunteered to be lynched, so I see that slightly more of a help than a hinder.

@ Mikhail again. And what do you think about the four redirected actions? I didn't count that many in the day post, but you seem to know what's going on.

I do not know what's going on in the redirections. Everything I got about that was just reading into the host post, and it's all I have. I haven't cared to speculate on how they happened because I'm not in a position to be able to find out.

Spiral wrote:RAsputin, I actually questioned Havok there, saying his point was very weak.
I don't see what you're saying.

Yeah, I realized that. I just figured I would respond to it since you asked (even though I knew you thought it was weak). Turns out I think it was good I did, since Polaris seemed to put some weight on it, and maybe others will/would've too.

So I think we're saying more or less the same thing.

I never knew where the term "linki" came from! I always thought it was from the web linking you to the post before letting you post your thing. Cool! Thanks for the history lesson.

Also, I think Hawkeye's idea that Sabretooth is dead is probable. I don't know why else Pyro would get a kill AND Sabretooth wouldn't. So that's nice. We're down to a maximum of 5 baddies, then, unless what someone said about Mystique being able to make anyone a seemer is true (seems unlikely to me).

Ah... I forgot sunfire made that post. It does make lot more sense in hindsight...

Hawkeye wrote:

Polaris wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:Thanks to Sunfire I can now trust at least two players, Avalanche and Banshee. I trust Rasputin not being a baddie. Unlike White Queen who survived because of a redirect, he probably survived because of something else on Night 4.

I know Avalanche has been generally trusted, though not always helpful (considering he's always been silenced). But why Banshee? And Rasputin didn't survive any NK's last night. Unless I'm missing something.

Linki: (yay I did it) I guess that could have happened? I only posted that hypothesis because I don't see how it could hurt anyone at this point.

Sunfire wrote: And to tell everyone who I feel good about...I am most certain that Avalanche, Hawkeye, and Banshee are good and in that order.

Rasputin might have survived an attempt from Apocalypse on Night 4. At least that's how I interpreted it from the night post and the info from our host.

So, Sunfire was a good judge of character? I find it suspect that you are willing to take someone who might not know what they're talking about at their word.

Spiral wrote: So, Sunfire was a good judge of character? I find it suspect that you are willing to take someone who might not know what they're talking about at their word.

Rogue - Steals the power of her target to use that same Night.

I'll recap.

Day 0 & Day 1: Who is the person that draws the most attention to themselves? Avalanche and his morlocks.
Night 1: Steals Avalanche's powers. Goes to the first page. Reads the roles. Goes back to check his new power. Match.
Day 2: Quicksilver vs. T-Bird. Defends QS and votes Hawkeye, one of the QS voters.
Night 2: What's all that fuss about QS? Steals QS's power. A night kill. Looks at the previous poll. Scarlet Witch puts the last nail in T-Bird's coffin. Targets SW.
Day 3: Goes 180 on QS. QS is Psylocke.
Night 3: Voted for Hawkeye on Day 2, might as well check that one. Steals power. Goes to the first page. Reads roles. Goes back to check new power. Match.
Day 4: No vote for Hawkeye, one of those who really pushed for QS's lynch. Posts about people he feels good about.
But yes, I don't see where Banshee fits in here.
Anyone have any ideas?

RIPIYWG Mojo, Cable, and Banshee! I feel like Mojo was, but didn't have much of a read on the other two.

I'm currently leaning towards lynching Havok, but I'm unsure if that's the direction we want to go. Because as Mikhail reminded us, Magneto is able to protect 2 people today. So I think it might be worthwhile coming up with 3-4 people we all feel comfortable voting for, and spreading out the votes among those people. That way, if Magneto splits the votes, we can still have a good chance lynch somebody we feel comfortable voting for.

@Hawkeye: I don't think so. Epig made it pretty clear that it was just one person.

Linki: Nice flow of events there. I'm not really sure why anyone would be wondering if Sunfire was a good judge of character. I think given his role, he has a good idea about people he trusts. So I would probably lean towards trusting the same people.

I'm not dead. D:

I'm not dead. D:

Shadowcat wrote:
@Hawkeye: I don't think so. Epig made it pretty clear that it was just one person.

I see, thanks.

I don't know what to think about Havok, but I'm not exactly getting baddie vibes from him, yet I'm not sure I'm getting civvie vibes either. If he's Omega Red, I don't think he should be lynched. If he's the Sentinels he can't win with the civvies and might have increased his powers. If he's Apocalypse he can't be lynched. I will be looking at White Queen. Her reaction to having survived the night kill really pinged me.