The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:am i correct that the deadline is in about 1 hr and 45 mins?

Turnip Head wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Turnip Head: What do you think of the case against Bass? Have you already addressed it? If you have you can just direct me to that post and I'll have a look. If not, well...

I'm afraid I haven't looked into the Bass case much yet. He was quiet today but I've felt good about him when he was posting.

TinyBubbles wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think Epi's style is inherently suspicious. It think the points he's made have consistently been unfair and misleading. And his vote was really bad. He's a lot like old Mac for you RYMers.

Also, I can't emphasize this enough.

I'm certain that Epi is mafia.

We haven't seen an Elo and Epi mafia duo since Champions '13, yeah? About time we saw it again, I suppose.

I'm getting mafia vibes from Epi too

TinyBubbles wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:If you're asking would I be willing to vote to confirm Epi was mafia then yes I would.

i was just looking for your response so i could gauge whether you really didn't realize Epi is dead or milked the noob card.

at the moment my top suspect is probably Elohcin. i'll re-evaluate everyone later in the day phase though and see where i stand. i don't like to hold stubbornly onto Day 1 suspicions moving forward in a game.

Ooh sneaky, maybe I'll have to recant my opinion about you being a good guy
I'm not milking the noob card I just skim a lot and miss things, it's as lame as that >_>

Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I could think of 2 reasons TinyBubbles might drop a vote so early on your main suspect:

1) Possibly he's buddying up to you, and wants you to think he's a civ by comparison.

2) If Elo is lynched and flips civ, he could use it as a way to put responsibility on you. I.e. "I only voted Elo because I agreed with JJJ" or something along those lines.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I might just go back and look at everyone who is voting so ridiculously early. Unless you have a significant RL reason (and I haven't seen any yet), I don't understand the point of not waiting to decide.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i've only just now discovered that the "[DAY X]" labels on the posts in the filters aren't always indicative of when the posts were made

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:that time i even tried to do the OT thing :P

Vompatti wrote:Voted for TinyBubbles because she/he/it was the first to vote Eloh and becasuse I've been too busy to read the thread. I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I plead everyone to stop posting so much or at least limit your posts to two or three sentences max.

Vompatti wrote:Voted for TinyBubbles because she/he/it was the first to vote Eloh and becasuse I've been too busy to read the thread. I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I plead everyone to stop posting so much or at least limit your posts to two or three sentences max.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Voted for TinyBubbles because she/he/it was the first to vote Eloh and becasuse I've been too busy to read the thread. I think I'm speaking for everyone here when I plead everyone to stop posting so much or at least limit your posts to two or three sentences max.

No.

Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.

you're right, he's the last player i am going to examine today. give me a few minutes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.

you're right, he's the last player i am going to examine today. give me a few minutes.

WHERE'S MY ISO, JAY? DAMMIT. :P

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?

Bc as I said I have seen this type of role many times on other sites. They restriction lasts for the entire game. So yep I think its his role, I have not scoured the first page yet to see which role this restriction could fit. I have seen these type of restrictions on both good and baddie roles. So I hope Gman continues to post his thoughts more often. I do find his picture posts easy to decipher. So personally I do not find him suspicious at this time.

linky I got your Iso right here MP

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:I would like your thoughts on TH. I do not remember an Iso from you about him.

you're right, he's the last player i am going to examine today. give me a few minutes.

WHERE'S MY ISO, JAY? DAMMIT. :P

unfortunately time was not my ally this phase. maybe in Night 2 assuming i don't get victimized by a drive-by here or something. if you want to be a higher priority in the ISO schedule, try not to be a town read.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?

Bc as I said I have seen this type of role many times on other sites. They restriction lasts for the entire game. So yep I think its his role, I have not scoured the first page yet to see which role this restriction could fit. I have seen these type of restrictions on both good and baddie roles. So I hope Gman continues to post his thoughts more often. I do find his picture posts easy to decipher. So personally I do not find him suspicious at this time.

linky I got your Iso right here MP

That's fair enough, but how would Russ and Llama have found out about such a role, since they don't play elsewhere? I mean, I don't disagree with you, I just find it interesting you're so sure it isn't a ploy. It probably isn't, but I'm far from sure.

And lol. That's usually my ISO. But I'm not a this game. Kinda wish I was though. :P

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Rox, what convinces you that G-Man's posting restriction isn't self-inflicted? Do you think it has to do with his role?

Bc as I said I have seen this type of role many times on other sites. They restriction lasts for the entire game. So yep I think its his role, I have not scoured the first page yet to see which role this restriction could fit. I have seen these type of restrictions on both good and baddie roles. So I hope Gman continues to post his thoughts more often. I do find his picture posts easy to decipher. So personally I do not find him suspicious at this time.

linky I got your Iso right here MP

That's fair enough, but how would Russ and Llama have found out about such a role, since they don't play elsewhere? I mean, I don't disagree with you, I just find it interesting you're so sure it isn't a ploy. It probably isn't, but I'm far from sure.

And lol. That's usually my ISO. But I'm not a this game. Kinda wish I was though. :P

Mostly bc I know a lot of us have been roaming around other sites involved in the Champion Games maybe they were just checking out other sites role types or maybe they looked for some different type roles on the mafiascum wiki - ofc there are many wikis about types of mafia roles - why are you so sure they are so narrow minded that the would not look for or want to try new things? You do know them better than I.

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth
I've not been uneasy of birdwithteeth's presence at all this game, which is to say he's basically a gut town read for starters. And my eye was initially attracted to his name at the beginning of the game because is that an It's Always Sunny reference?

Unfortunately, no. I've been using it since 2007, which was before I started watching the show.

One thing that I'd like to see followed up on, though:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: birdwithteeth11 -- (#1, #2, #3 no change) -- In #3, I said: "Seems like normal BWT and I know he is very busy. Not sure what to make of him yet." I would feel slightly better about him due to his post content, but his vote for Golden cancels it out, so I'm still not sure what to make of him.

Ummmm...I didn't vote for Golden?

I voted for Bass.

Also, RIP Golden. When I get a chance, I'm going to go back and read how that lynch went down. Something about it smells fishy to me.

Have you had a chance to look over the lynch? If not, could you point to what about it smells fishy? That'd be groovy.

Unfortunately, I have not. RL commitments have kept me from doing so. I'm hoping to get a chance to do some re-reading tomorrow morning.

Definitely the strongest town reads of the three post histories I've looked at. I dunno what that means for the overall picture of the game, but so far so good.

Roxy wrote:MP - I do not think it is fair to say he has skated by as you have voiced a negative opinion about him every day :P I do think he will have to step up sooner rather than later with his restriction to make himself be heard and felt as a townie. If he does not do that then he will be getting eyed from everyone including me.

Linky he could be faking it for the fun and lolz of it - I mean I hate to say it but this is a game meant to be fun and frivolous at times.

sanmateo wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

sanmateo wrote:

Elohcin wrote: MP also made stuff up about my vote, told a lie. He said that I posted that I thought Golden was CIV! Then he later quote a post from me where I say Golden is my #2 suspect. He said that I never had an opinion on anyone but him, but then he quoted a post where I mention several names and what I think about them.

you are definitely skipping over my posts, dont really care if you mentioned other people (but did you? where?), but you said golden was civ and then you voted for him without explaining why at all, you basically never mentioned them again other than to say you were voting them

why do i keep saying things when you arent gonna reply to them or even read them

Elohcin wrote:
Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.

vote elohcin

ANOTHER early vote? Seriously?!

I might just go back and look at everyone who is voting so ridiculously early. Unless you have a significant RL reason (and I haven't seen any yet), I don't understand the point of not waiting to decide.

i thought a vote might elicit a response

Sloonei wrote:

sanmateo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin -- (#1 No read or unsure, #2 Slight civilian read, #3 no change) -- DROP! Fixated on me all game, then suddenly had opinions on a ton of players with no explanation, including "leaning civilian" on Golden. Then continues to subtly push heat on me until I had an emotional breakdown, upon which she says that both (1) the breakdown doesn't bode well for me yet (2) votes Golden with literally no explanation. Could it get any objectively more scummy than this?

i think you are being manipulative with this, the problem for me isnt that she focused on you but that she had golden as a civilian read and without building a case she flipped and voted for him

at this point i think as scum team of elo + mp07 is more likely than elo + epi, if elo and epi were scum teams their voting would have been very clumsy. in any case i think everyone should focus on getting 1 scum and work their way back instead of trying to catch the whole scum team at once.

Another interesting observation that I'd not really considered. How common is it for scum partners to outright bus each other from Day 1 over here?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Le snipped

Sloonei wrote:

sanmateo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin -- (#1 No read or unsure, #2 Slight civilian read, #3 no change) -- DROP! Fixated on me all game, then suddenly had opinions on a ton of players with no explanation, including "leaning civilian" on Golden. Then continues to subtly push heat on me until I had an emotional breakdown, upon which she says that both (1) the breakdown doesn't bode well for me yet (2) votes Golden with literally no explanation. Could it get any objectively more scummy than this?

i think you are being manipulative with this, the problem for me isnt that she focused on you but that she had golden as a civilian read and without building a case she flipped and voted for him

at this point i think as scum team of elo + mp07 is more likely than elo + epi, if elo and epi were scum teams their voting would have been very clumsy. in any case i think everyone should focus on getting 1 scum and work their way back instead of trying to catch the whole scum team at once.

Another interesting observation that I'd not really considered. How common is it for scum partners to outright bus each other from Day 1 over here?

Depends on the player. Some will go after teammates left and right and some are completely adamant about throwing teammates under the bus unless absolutely necessary. For Day 1 though, I would consider that to be quite uncommon. I can't remember a time that's happened that springs to mind. But if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Le snipped

Sloonei wrote:

sanmateo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin -- (#1 No read or unsure, #2 Slight civilian read, #3 no change) -- DROP! Fixated on me all game, then suddenly had opinions on a ton of players with no explanation, including "leaning civilian" on Golden. Then continues to subtly push heat on me until I had an emotional breakdown, upon which she says that both (1) the breakdown doesn't bode well for me yet (2) votes Golden with literally no explanation. Could it get any objectively more scummy than this?

i think you are being manipulative with this, the problem for me isnt that she focused on you but that she had golden as a civilian read and without building a case she flipped and voted for him

at this point i think as scum team of elo + mp07 is more likely than elo + epi, if elo and epi were scum teams their voting would have been very clumsy. in any case i think everyone should focus on getting 1 scum and work their way back instead of trying to catch the whole scum team at once.

Another interesting observation that I'd not really considered. How common is it for scum partners to outright bus each other from Day 1 over here?

Depends on the player. Some will go after teammates left and right and some are completely adamant about throwing teammates under the bus unless absolutely necessary. For Day 1 though, I would consider that to be quite uncommon. I can't remember a time that's happened that springs to mind. But if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.

I've thrown a teammate under on Day 1.

Turnip Head wrote:@Metalmarsh ^^ So what you're saying is, MP used the word "transparent" 7 times in 218 posts.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote TinyBubbles.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think Elo's bad. Especially her recent reactions read genuinely to me.

I thought TinyBubbles' vote for Elo was sketchy because, if you look back through Bubbles' posts, she was setting up suspicion of Bass and only Bass, but then MP and Jay make one post each talking about Elo being a better option, and Bubbles immediately rolls with that. The line "If you're a civvie Elo I'm so so sorry!" reeks a bit because if Bubbles was really sorry she wouldn't have voted a player she's not suspicious of. And I think it's a little hokey to allude to someone being lynched when you're literally the first person to cast a vote for that person.

That said, I thought I saw one thing in Bubbles' filter that made me think she's on the level and just playing a little loosely. So I guess what I'd like is Bubbles' answer to the following "Why abandon your read on Bass and piggyback onto the suspicion of Jay and MP?" I believe Bubbles mentioned trusting those two, and I don't think they're baddies either atm, but it doesn't mean they're right about everything either.

MP, can you once again lay out why you don't think Elo's thought process can come from a civ perspective? We've both played many games with her, we both know her perspective is not always the same as everyone else's, so I'm curious exactly what you're seeing there. And what happened to your splints' suspicion?

Turnip Head wrote:@MP, I think Elo has reacted to the suspicion of her just as emotionally as you have. She sees it her way, and her way is the right way, probably because she's civ. I actually think she'd be more inclined to explain her vote if she were bad, because she would feel like she needs a good explanation.

Fact is, regardless of Elo's own defense, her reads progression of both you AND Golden seems organic to me. She seemed to carefully considerate in her read of you in particular, MP. I don't know if you read it that way, but that's how I read it, and I don't know that a baddie-Elo would go to such lengths and get involved in the argument with you. She cites my case on Golden as a reason to vote for him, and we can debate the merits of her voting based on that, but she's far from the only person in this game to make a change in their read, and that's something civvies tend to do more often than baddies anyways.

So you could say I'm reading her the exact opposite way that you are.

Turnip Head wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:who has your attention for the wrong reasons, TH?

I think we would be worse off if I shared that at this time, Jay.

MovingPictures07 wrote:That's fair enough. I just know Russ has been super busy RL and that he built this game mostly pre-Champions and that Llama generally sticks around here, so I am a bit surprised if these two particular hosts used a lot of non-Syndicate conventions, or even any for that matter, in this game.

Roxy wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

TinyBubbles wrote:Ooh sneaky, maybe I'll have to recant my opinion about you being a good guy
I'm not milking the noob card I just skim a lot and miss things, it's as lame as that >_>

Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.

Hey Sloonei, look at the bit i just bolded up there in that quote.

TinyBubbles, why don't you want to spend more time thinking about your vote? you have quite a long time before the deadline, and who knows who else might influence you? how you might feel yourself? and why trust me so thoroughly as you just drop a vote on the one name i gave you as a suspect?

I could think of 2 reasons TinyBubbles might drop a vote so early on your main suspect:

1) Possibly he's buddying up to you, and wants you to think he's a civ by comparison.

2) If Elo is lynched and flips civ, he could use it as a way to put responsibility on you. I.e. "I only voted Elo because I agreed with JJJ" or something along those lines.

I can think of 2 also:
1) Possibly following those he/she trusts with her/his vote. When I was playing my first few games I often did the same.
2) Is unsure of trusting her/his own instinct and feels better to trust someone else's.

Teeth it seems you are looking for any reason to suspect Bubbles. Can you not think of a new noob reason? Why you would assume to label her vote as a baddie ploy?

It makes me want to eye you more closely if anything.

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That's fair enough. I just know Russ has been super busy RL and that he built this game mostly pre-Champions and that Llama generally sticks around here, so I am a bit surprised if these two particular hosts used a lot of non-Syndicate conventions, or even any for that matter, in this game.

llama hosts a lot though and sets up/frequents the chatrooms for his games. So it is possible someone could have mentioned something in one. I was just in a chat room in HSK that he hosted with 4 others who play on other sites (including our champion TH ). Not saying that this is most probable but he could have heard of it somewhere.

It also wouldn't be the first time hosts have similar good ideas for new, fun role ideas only to find out it has already been done.

idk this type of speculation is hard because it could be anything

linki so much linki i can't believe how far I had to scroll I'm posting anyways

fingersplints wrote:

Roxy wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Those two things have totally different meanings to me. Keeping an eye on = fairly neutral read but still wary. Suspecting = something more substantial

I agree here
btw Happy Sunday whore <3

happy sunday! I like your post about bwt. I've been a bit wary of him but idk why. I'm interested in his answers.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:who has your attention for the wrong reasons, TH?

I think we would be worse off if I shared that at this time, Jay.

this isn't really a good thing. i imagine TH has his reasons for playing this way, but without knowing what they are i am not comfortable assuming it's in town's best interest. i have no idea. i struggle to imagine a scenario in which it'd be beneficial for him to keep his suspects a secret. maybe a single suspect if he has uncovered key information, but not more than one. a list of viable suspects would be something useful and presumably not dangerous to whatever plan he has in motion. that's for him to talk about though, because he hasn't given us much to work with. at least he has since stated some suspicions in ways independent to this post (like his recent criticism of DDL's vote for aether).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i believe we only have 6 votes left in the field and currently the tally leader is up by 4. so i don't feel like i have many things i can do with mine.

is anyone else who hasn't voted still around to talk about this?