The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

Matt F wrote:

Later peeps! No hard feelings, that was fun trying (and failing) to defend myself. Peace out and good luck town!

Hey, it turns out those 'extended universe' fanboys were right

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Glorfindel, what else do you have to say to the accusation that you've been defending yourself too much but not hunting enough?

Not much. The accusation when looked at objectively is clearly justified. I have clearly not spent the time and effort in 'hunting' as I should have at this point. I could point out that this is partly due to the fact that I have pracitically no point of reference for the behaviour of any player in this game but I won't bother. My judgements and my votes have been based on the only thing upon which I have to rely at this point - gut instinct. I believe that it's served me well so far although you and others obviously dispute that...

On that point, I still remain highly suspicious of Russtifinko (as I have said for some considerable time) and that is again where my vote will lie today.

@Zebra - please don't be concerned about my reaction to you in my post last night - my views and opinions have not changed but as I keep saying, that is my issue to deal with and shouldn't influence in any way your vote.

MacDougall wrote:I expect I am a high target to be killed tonight but hopefully beforehand I can compel the people who voted for Zebra to repeat and elaborate on how they got so close to lynching her.

MacDougall wrote:Wow that was an impressive lynching guys, well done. I actually thought bcornett was civ. He was coming across very genuine to me. Obviously Golden caught wind of what amounted to almost a scum slip so well done on that! That combined with the unusual push on Zebra, has me intrigued.

I don't think scum would just try to railroad Zebra like that. I think that push is not anti-town influenced. The fact that it came about rather quietly (or for lack of a better phrase, via bullshit tbh) makes me feel that the voters know something the rest of us don't about the Zebs. The fact that they managed to get their votes on her makes me feel like they might be a team. Simon notwithstanding whose vote looks very much like an attempt to save bcornett. Inversely I think some of the bcornett votes could quite possibly have been attempts to save Zebra, particularly the Metalmarsh 'un. All told we got scum so I ain't bout to complain. Perhaps the Jawas have some way of identifying alignment and have seen that Zebs has the bads. Not totally in love with that analysis, but I thought I'd share my brainings nonetheless. Zebs in the thread has been pretty dang civilian to me so I ain't about to call for a lynch on that when it is an anlysis of shit going on around her, so that wouldn't be fair. She's hunting like a badbetch and just contributed to us killing the fat one so even if she's a badder, she's a useful badder for now, and there are others I think are badders that aren't so useful.

I think this sort of flip at this point of the game can really turn the game crucially in our favour, so analysing bcornett's interactions or lack thereof is probs going to give us some juicy material. That being said, he was one of the few players who made me feel the warm and fuzzies of a positive kind so I think he might have had his best bullshitter hat on here. I shall take a look at any rate and see if I can find anything s-s-strange... aside from Simon's quite blatant attempt to save him.

Golden wrote:Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

MacDougall wrote:Let's not go easy on Simon. Any 8 year old whose parents are confident can play a game of forums mafia with adults must be capable. I trust his parents wouldn't feed him to the sharks. Don't underestimate kids these days man, most of them are smarter than us. I have a 4 year old who has the social nous of my 14 year old self.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm working on compiling all of bcornett's interactions with other players. Nobody else go and do the same thing.

Linki: Enjoy.

Canucklehead wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm just going to leave this here while I have some pasta.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, YOU, player reading and hardly posting.

Guess what?

You're a low poster. You hear me? You will be feeling the heat. You better participate soon. NOT posting is NOT a strategy to play the game, regardless of your alignment.

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Tthis tmentality twill tdrive tplayers taway tfrom tthe tsite - tnot tattract tthem tto tit. ti tam tsurprised tmp teven tposted tit. tif tit tis trequoted ti twill tquit tplaying there tmyself.

It wasn't meant to be personal or even entirely serious.

Although I am frustrated that there are a handful of players barely posting, that post was an attempt to get them to post as well as see if players would take it as an opportunity to launch a "lynch low posters" campaign .

I've been having luke-warm mafia feelings about MP for a while, but haven't brought them up because they would just be a re-hash of the same things I suspect him for every game to the point that I've just accepted that I can't read MP at all....but this post actually made me feel a little better about him, mostly because of the bolded part.

As for this lynch...sigh. My instinct was to vote Roxy (for the seemingly "monotone-anger" I mentioned before), but her most recent posts about wanting to quit make me think that what I've been reading as feigned indignation might actually be genuine persistent frustration, so I am hesitant to vote there.

The bcornett case is interesting, though he was not someone on my radar at all before this most recent catch-up. I'm not uncomfortable with him being lynched, and I agree that his bubbles vote was very low-effort/oddly focused on bubbles. If I were to vote there, it would be mostly a following-on of people I trust, as I just don't feel very strongly one way or the other.

Glory index, j have no idea how to read. He posts as if he were a news, but people keep saying he's experienced? At the same time, his frustration/level of insult seems almost too over-the-top to be faked. I understand why he's getting votes, but I feel a bit icky about it, honestly.


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K, so this post has been sitting on my phone for over an hour. Wrote it while on the bus to the hockey game, then got distracted by the atrocious hockey-playing of the Hurricanes and forgot to hit post. Doing so now, then will read whatever I missed in the interim. Apologies if anything I've said is irrelevant now.

bcornett24 wrote:I don't necessarily like the content that was generated with Mac and Zebra about Enrique but it is content, and content is what town needs to win the game. It is possible that it will be useful in the future.

bcornett wrote:I don't know if I will have time to finish but I still plan on looking at Matt F and Mac before the time is up. I would like to looks at Zebra as well, but she has so much content there is no way I could manage it all in a couple of hours.

bcornett24 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:Are you currently civilian golden?

You don't seem too dedicated to the belief that Golden doesn't have much content. And what are you implying with "currently"?

Both of these have been discussed in several later posts as well as a detail iso of golden. Have you had the time to read them yet?

bcornett24 wrote:

Bubbles wrote:voting zebra for voting bass, and because i don't think enrique is bad from his tone. and i don't want to miss another vote so that's why i'm posting now!

You have exactly three posts, come in drop a vote and leave...you deserve to be lynched. This is the type of behavior that contributes to town loses.

Based on your tone, you aren't going to be around again anytime soon. I don't like this.

bcornett24 wrote:You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

bcornett24 wrote:I don't necessarily like the content that was generated with Mac and Zebra about Enrique but it is content, and content is what town needs to win the game. It is possible that it will be useful in the future.

bcornett24 wrote:I'm all caught up with the reading but have no time to finish the analysis I wanted to do. This weekend has been much busier than excepted. The next week looks clear, even with thanksgiving coming up. I plan on doing several cases and hopefully some more tonight.

I will probably be back on in about 5 hours after the football game tonight and will then complete another iso.

The deadline will end before I get back. Since there needs to be a lynch I will be voting for enrique. I am surprised how little content was generated during day two I was unfortunately not around to help with posting. I have not completed an ISO on Bass and am not sure on the points that are being made against him therefore I will not be voting for him.

bcornett24 wrote:I have read over all of Enrique posts but i don't have the ability to properly post from mobile. I don't feel great about and I will say I don't feel good about him and I will share detailed thoughts about this later and provide an ISO.

bcornett24 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I've got to tell you guys, I feel so far out of my depth right now. From my limited experience, what passes for evidence this early on in Mafia games is often little more than a combination of bravado and overactive imagination. All I can see is some particularly harsh accusations being thrown around by some VERY enthusiastic players. I have been around long enough not to mistake aggressiveness in these games with Mafia guilt so a couple of feuding prominent players (at this stage of the game) doesn't convince me that one is necessarily Mafia. From what I've read, Golden seems to make a lot of sense to me...

Like I said, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow you guys...

This was his last post.

bcornett24 wrote:You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

bcornett24 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Matt F wrote:Golden

Nothing sticks out really, but he seems more playful then usual so far. Typically at around this time, if civ, Golden is picking a fight with another civ. Why hasn't that happened yet Golden?

Thats kind of low. Often by this point I'm picking a fight with a baddie.

But, this is one of the most common and yet untrue accusations that gets levelled at me. If you looked back at the games I've played on this site, you'll see I've been lynched early several times as civ for not having 'picked a fight' yet - most notably in economics where I was lynched day one and then got to sub in as a baddie and clean everyone up. No early fights in Biblical where I was civ. But I did have early fights in Bullets over Broadway where I was Indy.

Since you came back, you have played 4 games early with me. In Dune zebra and I got into a fight, but it was not me that 'picked it'... I said I had a small ping and he overreacted. In Talking Heads I had some dialogue going on with Rico, but it could hardly be called a fight (any more than the posts I exchanged with Mac today). The first time I picked a fight was day 2, and it was with the specific goal of getting people to lynch me. And World Reborn, you didn't see me go straight out and pick fights in that one either (although because it is ongoing, I recognise we can't dialogue on what that means).

Long story short - you are raising a false indicator of my affiliation. (And I think your representation that I am 'more playful' is incorrect too... I always try to be playful. It makes things fun for me.)

I was wondering about that golden, what's going on normally by this point your are flinging shit around looking for scum. I just took a look at your content, even with 40+ posts there is almost no content. Are you busy being trained in the ways of the dark side? I find this concerning.

I would say that your three latest posts appear to be your only actual content. That being said, you appear to have a read on matt, I will take a look at him next as a lot of people seem to be going on about him right now.

Do you have any other reads or major concerns?

bcornett24 wrote:@ golden, i did see that, you don't have to go jjj super poster in order to scum hunt.

I read through all of your content as an iso and within the forum, which I've read completely almost 2x now. I do not feel that most of your posts, as I just stated, except for the last three, are of any real substance. This is why I made the previous statement.

I did find the last three + posts to be useful though and as I said I will be looking at matt next.

I am not going to sit here and make stuff up, all you have to do is go through your post history which I am linking for you or anybody else who finds this examination prudent and would like to examine your content: Golden.

bcornett24 wrote:

Golden wrote:And I will repeat what I said to Matt.

Your post about me appears like you have just ISOed me. If that is true, you ought to know that I've given reads on about half of the people in the game, which is significantly more than most other people here.

I'll add you to my scum read list, though. I don't like it when people push this agenda about me, that if I don't pick fights I'm not creating content. I've seen it take me down as a civilian too many times, both back in my RM days and since I've arrived at the Syndicate. People use an incorrect perception of my meta against me. It is something I find inherently suspicious, especially when the basic starting point is that I 'don't have content' when that is plainly untrue.

I did indeed, but I have also, as I just stated read the entire forum nearly twice now. I am not asking you to compile a list of reads if you have any specific concerns off the top of your head right now, that would be great.

By no means am I attempting to force anybody to do anything, people have very low content in general right now which is, from my experience normal for day 0/1 standards.

bcornett24 wrote:Are you currently civilian golden?

bcornett24 wrote:

Golden wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:Are you currently civilian golden?

That's an odd way of phrasing that question. Do you have reason to believe things will shift? In case you are trying to dig for some kind of LDable statement (which is how that reads), I will give you one that should work. I am not and (unless I'm missing some mechanic which is outside of my control) will never be aligned with anti-town win conditions.

linki @MP - I don't find Simon's posts alarming either. Boba looks dangerous, I'd call it astute. Interesting that 'indy-hunting' is a scum tell in Savage's mafia world. I agree that it isn't here.

Not really considering your question.

Golden wrote:And before brian points out my 'lack of content', I would like to REINFORCE these points:

Golden wrote:about 24/29 of the players have not even had 10% of the reads I have made in this game.

I want people to ask themselves, why is brian forcing the 'lack of content' angle when my response to this has consistently been "This is an incorrect scum tell" - It is blatantly not the truth, in any event, that the conduct I'm being accused of is a scum tell for me. I have it thrown at me regularly WHEN I'M CIVILIAN. As I keep saying. I can think of only one time when I've been accused of being bad because I've been quiet, and it has actually been the truth (and it wasn't the truth because I was bad... it was the truth because I was very busy at that time).

bcornett24 wrote:

Golden wrote:gth in this context is gun to head not go to hell.

lol that is awesome

bcornett24 wrote:

Golden wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:You are way to defensive for what I said. I have never seen a golden who is scared he is going to be lynched because of too much content as a civ? Even if you have been in the recent past, even in more than one game, that is a bullshit excuse, and illogical. As you stated in your argument with zebra content is useful as it allows reads. I've have been lynched on day 1-2 in 2/6 of the games ive played thus far. That hasn't stopped me from posting. (Thanfully this day 0/1 fell on my weekend so I have had more time to participate.)

I'm not 'afraid to post content'.

But if I put my absolute full 'supatown golden' into every game from day one, two things will happen.

1) People will like me less, because it can be quite an abrasive style for some people and I make a concerted effort not to do it too often, only when I feel very confident and;
2) I'll burn out.

I'm heading into a short mafia break after this game to stay fresh, and I only signed up for this one very late because I couldn't resist the theme. But I have no intention of playing this game at 100% intensity. I'm still committed to providing quality content, just hopefully in a less intense way. I need this for me.

I appreciate you doing the iso and realising that I've been providing content all game. You didn't need to change your perspective, you could have pursued it, so that is a positive in my book.

I understand that.
I like to provide content too, which is what I was doing it just happened to be that you were the one who responded.
To be fair, in all of the games I've played, many people take you and JJJ very seriously which is why I like to keep a watch on you guys. If you were perhaps scum you could easily run away with the game.
Keeping things in perspective, it is only day one.

I don't know if I will have time to finish but I still plan on looking at Matt F and Mac before the time is up. I would like to looks at Zebra as well, but she has so much content there is no way I could manage it all in a couple of hours.

bcornett24 wrote:Is it usual for Mac to be super intense?

bcornett24 wrote:I don't necessarily like the content that was generated with Mac and Zebra about Enrique but it is content, and content is what town needs to win the game. It is possible that it will be useful in the future.

bcornett wrote:I don't know if I will have time to finish but I still plan on looking at Matt F and Mac before the time is up. I would like to looks at Zebra as well, but she has so much content there is no way I could manage it all in a couple of hours.

bcornett24 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Matt F wrote:Golden

Nothing sticks out really, but he seems more playful then usual so far. Typically at around this time, if civ, Golden is picking a fight with another civ. Why hasn't that happened yet Golden?

I'm sorry, what?

Does anyone here truly believe that Golden has no substantive content this game?

I'm going to ISO Golden right now, because off the top of my head I can recall him engaging me, Mac, and zebra in conversation on various matters (does not share my opinion of Russ, disagreed with Mac over interpretation of my actions, etc.).

I do not think that his content has nearly as much content as it appears to. I'm working on showing it in detail right now.

bcornett24 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

bcornett24 wrote:I took a quick look at Matt F's content almost every single post is related to this death star controversy.

Matt F

What do you make of it with regards to his alignment?

I've been staring at it for like 20 mins now and I honestly have no clue. You can make many arguments to justify or convict him based on his obsession with it. He himself said scum would not blatantly want to go to the death star and he was insistent upon it which makes him civ. The argument could be made that because of this he could vote this was as scum and then he would be thought to be civ, but this is wifom. Matt then stated that he thought it would be great to go there because it was fun (which he stated before, and on several other occasions). He has provided several reasons for his vote which could all or part be true, so it comes down to if you believe what Matt said or not. I will say, I agree with him completely that death star is bad-ass. I am just not sure about the persistence on it. It was suggested that he had info, but he stated he didn't. All he had to do was drop the subject at some point and time and this whole conversation could have been avoided. The fact that he kept going on about it is confusing in its own right.

bcornett24 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I've got to tell you guys, I feel so far out of my depth right now. From my limited experience, what passes for evidence this early on in Mafia games is often little more than a combination of bravado and overactive imagination. All I can see is some particularly harsh accusations being thrown around by some VERY enthusiastic players. I have been around long enough not to mistake aggressiveness in these games with Mafia guilt so a couple of feuding prominent players (at this stage of the game) doesn't convince me that one is necessarily Mafia. From what I've read, Golden seems to make a lot of sense to me...

Like I said, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow you guys...

This was his last post.

bcornett24 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't know what to do right now. I'm not even particularly sold on Enrique or Matt F, so I'm feeling a bit nervous about the wagons that are forming.

I agree with this. The only thing that I know, 100% for sure is that there cannot be a no-lynch that only hurts the town.

bcornett24 wrote:You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

bcornett24 wrote:You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

bcornett24 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Ok, so for the srs bsns I promised:

1) Voting Tatooine. Less for movie reasons and more because if we want info about Jabba's plans and our operatives found his plans in his palace, it makes sense to think his palace is a good place to start the search.

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

I'm rather confused why the focus of the conversation happens to be on the 2nd statement russ made here and not the first. I would encourage everybody to read the statement in red. To me this comes across as a scum hunting for third party players (or vise-versa).

I find this to be a very anti-town statement. What does everybody else think?

bcornett24 wrote:I have read this forum 1.5 times and am now reading through ISOs.

I thought I would start by taking a look at the person who I had found to be the most suspucious which is Russtifinko

Russtifinko wrote:Ok, so for the srs bsns I promised:

1) Voting Tatooine. Less for movie reasons and more because if we want info about Jabba's plans and our operatives found his plans in his palace, it makes sense to think his palace is a good place to start the search.

2) DDL, I can't decide whether it's civ-ish or a baddie move to run through all the possible ways you'd catch a baddie based on the planet mechanic before we get a chance to actually use any of the methods. Consider me slightly pinged, there.

The first part being specifically what I had an issue with, not the second which I have already stated my reasons for disliking. This is the only content of Russ's thus far that I found to be of any use.

The only other thing I found to be worth noting is this:

Russtifinko wrote:Dammit, I forgot to actually vote in Day 0.

I still find the first post that I noted to be suspicious, but there is so much additional content and Russ lacks so much content I do think that this is worth focusing on as it has already been discussed in length, I think there is much more valuable content that needs to be examined.

bcornett24 wrote:Russ was my original ping and I still don't like the post I have previously spoken of. I am not sure I like the Matt F vote either but, their cannot be a tie...

bcornett24 wrote:Sig you are online, I was just going through your posts and I saw nothing noteworthy at all. Are you caught up with all of the reading? Do you have any major suspicions? You seem to be busy based on your previous post.

bcornett24 wrote:You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.

Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).

bcornett24 wrote:

TheFloyd73 wrote:Dagobah was my favourite Star Wars planet as a kid, good place of teaching, voting for that.

Yoda, is one of my favorite characters in all of star wars, visit his planet first we should!

• Canucklehead
  DrWilgy
  Elohcin
  Mishimeals/Bass_the_Clever 2.0
  Savage

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm just going to leave this here while I have some pasta.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, YOU, player reading and hardly posting.

Guess what?

You're a low poster. You hear me? You will be feeling the heat. You better participate soon. NOT posting is NOT a strategy to play the game, regardless of your alignment.

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Tthis tmentality twill tdrive tplayers taway tfrom tthe tsite - tnot tattract tthem tto tit. ti tam tsurprised tmp teven tposted tit. tif tit tis trequoted ti twill tquit tplaying there tmyself.

It wasn't meant to be personal or even entirely serious.

Although I am frustrated that there are a handful of players barely posting, that post was an attempt to get them to post as well as see if players would take it as an opportunity to launch a "lynch low posters" campaign .

I've been having luke-warm mafia feelings about MP for a while, but haven't brought them up because they would just be a re-hash of the same things I suspect him for every game to the point that I've just accepted that I can't read MP at all....but this post actually made me feel a little better about him, mostly because of the bolded part.

As for this lynch...sigh. My instinct was to vote Roxy (for the seemingly "monotone-anger" I mentioned before), but her most recent posts about wanting to quit make me think that what I've been reading as feigned indignation might actually be genuine persistent frustration, so I am hesitant to vote there.

The bcornett case is interesting, though he was not someone on my radar at all before this most recent catch-up. I'm not uncomfortable with him being lynched, and I agree that his bubbles vote was very low-effort/oddly focused on bubbles. If I were to vote there, it would be mostly a following-on of people I trust, as I just don't feel very strongly one way or the other.

Glory index, j have no idea how to read. He posts as if he were a news, but people keep saying he's experienced? At the same time, his frustration/level of insult seems almost too over-the-top to be faked. I understand why he's getting votes, but I feel a bit icky about it, honestly.


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K, so this post has been sitting on my phone for over an hour. Wrote it while on the bus to the hockey game, then got distracted by the atrocious hockey-playing of the Hurricanes and forgot to hit post. Doing so now, then will read whatever I missed in the interim. Apologies if anything I've said is irrelevant now.

I presume you'll get to this, MM, but Canuck seems a bit waffly on BC here.

Also, Canuck, can you elaborate on why that bolded portion made you feel better about me?

• Golden

• MacDougall
  a2thezebra
  MovingPictures07

• Russtifinko

• Bubbles
  sig
  Glorfindel

• Enrique

Glorfindel wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Indie is short for "Independent" role, meaning a player(s) that is only aligned with themselves, neither town, nor scum. So in this case we've already lynched the primary indie (Bobba Fett) but there also the small indie factions, the Tusken Raiders and Jawas.

Thank you Zebra, that is very kind of you. Much appreciated.

This voting thing - I suspect it's for something good - why else wouldn't you be able to vote for yourself? That being the case, it would make sense to vote for the best players on our team in my opinion...

DharmaHelper wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Night 3 MP rainbow reads list:

a2thezebra
Golden -- (moved up 1)
Metalmarsh89 -- (moved up 1)
nijuukyugou -- (moved up 2)

MacDougall

Black Rock
Canucklehead -- (moved down 1)
Dom
Russtifinko -- (moved up 2)
sig
Sorsha

Bass_the_Clever 2.0 (Mishimeals)
DFaraday
DrWilgy
Matt F 2.0 (Banana)
Savage
TheFloyd73

Bubbles -- (moved down 1)
Elohcin -- (moved down 1)
Luke11646 -- (moved down 1)
Roxy
Simon -- (moved down 2)

Enrique -- (moved down 1)
Glorfindel

Players are arranged alphabetically within groups.

Here are my new thoughts considering quick/gut reactions to bcornett24's flip. These are subject to change pending MM's interactions investigations as well as my own and others' hunting between now and end of Day 4.

I think Golden looks pretty good, considering his pursuit of bcornett and vice versa. I don't see that as mafia distancing. I agree with Mac that Blooper/ninja looks solid after this flip as well. Metalmarsh cast a decisive vote that sunk bcornett, hence his rise as well.

While Mac's theory is interesting, I am not coming to that conclusion. Despite zebra's thoughts on the matter as well, I conclude that the zebra votes were suspicious, and I have lowered Bubbles and Elohcin appropriately because I don't trust either of their intentions in casting those votes. Simon has moved down as well.

I have a potential bad look on Luke due to his throwaway vote on Enrique, but it could be a potentially good luck given Enrique's flip... since we don't know that yet, however, I've nonetheless moved Luke down until he can contribute his thought process more substantively in thread.

Between bcornett24's thoughts on Russ (don't see this as mafia distancing), as well as Glorfindel's (who I think latched onto some heat headed Russ's way), I'm willing to suspend my suspicion that way, pending Russ's future contributions.

Enrique looks pretty damning given some of the interactions uncovered so far, and his defense of bcornett toward the end of the lynch definitely reads like a desperate teammate.

My suspicion of Glorfindel has not alleviated at all because he hasn't provided any reason for it to; I don't believe his overreactive behavior, and his only suspicion (Russ) is convenient and no longer logical given recent events. I see no townie motivation for his lack of hunt, and bcornett's flip does not affect my previous read (from what I can recall, without digging into ISOs).

I'm having the most trouble reading Black Rock, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, sig, Savage, Sorsha, TheFloyd73, and the recently replaced 2.0's. I think my categorization of them is still most appropriate though. No reason for me to move MacDougall at this time. Same with Roxy, despite Golden's read on her, but I need to ISO her to get a better feel of her contributions (or lack thereof).

I voted my top 5 town reads in this poll, in the event that it is a rewards poll.

Like I said before, I have a busy couple of weeks ahead of me, until December 10th. Last week of classes next week... then Final Exams that I have to take and grade. So my contributions will likely drop going forward, but I'll try my best.

Have a great Holiday, everyone!

But Golden pointed out that Erique and Simon both proceed to vote for Bass within minutes of this. I do buy this theory now. This looks really bad for Enrique. It is also noteworthy that Enrique had no response to bcornett's vote, another sign he might have known it was coming.

Enrique wrote:well jesus then i guess we should base our whole game on nonsense logic and nothing could be done to stop it

I am not a Hutt and there's nothing to this case that I am. I mean, seriously? MM's ISO of BC's interactions puts me as likeliest teammate? Did anyone even read that? How does one reach that conclusion what the shit

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm sorry Glorfindel, if I had one more vote, I would give it to you since you don't have one yet.

Elohcin wrote:First of all, Happy Thanksgiving Americans! Those of you not in America, what special holidays do you celbrate that are specific to your country?

Second, Why do I keep moving down one space each time you post a rainbow list MP? What do you have against me, huh?

Third, I really wish I knew what we were voting for in the poll. But ah well.

Enrique wrote:I honestly DO NOT get it.

Enrique wrote:

Elohcin wrote:First of all, Happy Thanksgiving Americans! Those of you not in America, what special holidays do you celbrate that are specific to your country?

Second, Why do I keep moving down one space each time you post a rainbow list MP? What do you have against me, huh?

Third, I really wish I knew what we were voting for in the poll. But ah well.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Thanks for the votes everyone. I hope this brings positive things.

If this is anything like Talking Heads, Jay is going to come out of nowhere and whoop my ass though.

DrWilgy wrote:Question... Are Poison rules standard? if so, what exactly are they?

DharmaHelper wrote:Just ONE entry in my contest so far. And let me tell you, it is not a winning entry. 15 credits just waiting for someone to go get 'em

DharmaHelper wrote:Just ONE entry in my contest so far. And let me tell you, it is not a winning entry. 15 credits just waiting for someone to go get 'em

DrWilgy wrote:Question... Are Poison rules standard? if so, what exactly are they?

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:I honestly DO NOT get it.

I honestly do not believe that you don't.

Golden wrote:Paranoid theory: Enrique and simon are team hutt. Go!

MacDougall wrote:Here's my theory about le poll...

5 names = 5 remaining indy roles.