The Syndicate

a2thezebra wrote:Enrique? You mean Ricochet, lol.

DharmaHelper wrote:

juliets wrote:Good work Enrique getting yourself lynched. Several people have said it already but I look forward to playing with someone who is as much of an analyst of the game as you are. Please though, less posts so I can better absorb what I am reading, including what you are saying. These last two days went by in kind of a blur.

Metalmarsh, I really don't want to be a pain in the ass but i re-posted my question to you last night and even though you were talking in the thread you didn't answer me. This wasn't supposed to be this big of a deal but it's hard for me to believe you missed it again since I even posted to say it was coming shortly.

And the identity of the people posting, I guess :P

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama, I noticed that when Golden brought it up earlier. Mac never specifically denied being bad, he just said MM would find any evidence of it. Depends on how unwaveringly honest you think Mac is intent on being. The implication here is that he didn't want to lie about his baddieness, he preferred to flaunt it instead? "Mwa ha ha, you will NEVER find the evidence you need to defeat Me! Foolish Civ!"

Is this like A Few Good Men, where Col. Jessup wanted to claim proud responsibility for the Code Red?

Like when you attacked sig for his use of the word "interesting", among other things, this feels to me like you are opportunistically jumping on things to cast suspicion on people... as opposed to stating a genuine suspicion. Like a predator that senses weakness.

This is exactly why I did not read MAc's post in a positive light.

I don't believe that you could actually form a scum read based on something so weak? A fake scum read sure, but a genuine one no. I have no problem saying I am a civilian when I am not one. Lying is something I do well when I am bad. By this logic anytime someone defends themself by addressing the logic without adding an "I am x alignment" post-script you would scum read them, which I don't believe to be true.

a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah? Are you bad?

Matt wrote:Wow, cool result peeps.

Draconus, who do you think would curse you to ask questions?

Matt wrote:Wow, cool result peeps.

Draconus, who do you think would curse you to ask questions?

juliets wrote:Metalmarsh here is the question I asked you. Note that I am not asking the same questions you already answered. I'm wanting to know what was in your head when you picked the word "which" when you framed the question.

juliets wrote:MM, your question to him was "which team do you think he is on?". That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were. What made you use the word "which"? And what did you expect in return from JJJ that would be an example of "which"? I hope you understand what I am asking. If not, let me know.

• 1) I have no idea how many teams there are. That was an intentional "slip" to see how folks responded.
  2) I did not know that the mafia team(s) have names. Your suggestion of that is very suspicious imo. I did not imply that I knew it either.
  3) I expected Jay to be far more aggressive in his response, since the number of mafia teams is unknown, and I implied that I knew how many there were. Then again, Jay was acting apathetic before I asked the question, so I don't know what to make of it. Different Jay =/= mafia Jay.

sig wrote:I'm voting for Ateles hybridus

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Long Con wrote:Also, I agree that it is not unlikely that the Trickster is involved in the Night Polls. Unfortunately, if it's similar to A World Reborn, there's not really much we can do about it. First, there's a really wide variety of possible poll outcomes... could be some good some bad, or there could be one bad one and the rest are neutral, or something else, something we've never seen before.

Do each of the options correspond to a player?

Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Polar Bear - ?

RadicalFuzz wrote:Faraday when you say I read civvie so you're not pinged by my "strange alignment comments" what comments are you referring to?

Oh thank god he wasn't just being a giant idiot.

Llama, explain how we "lost a civilian?" His unkillable role from which he literally can't be targeted and will therefore be able to advise as a mod-confirmed civilian for the everlasting future of the game is an unfavorable outcome? I honestly think this went better than lynching scum Day 1, as Rico would surely be lynched later down the line for his actions up to this point.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Glad to see you're all caught up and enthusiastic about the game Timmer.

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.

Nor would I.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?

If there is more than one mafia team, I could care less which one llama is on if he's bad.

My goal was to figure out whether there is 1 mafia team or more, and potentially discover who might be mafia. I believe there are two mafia teams. I think three is far-fetched, and one would be "less fun". Also I know I had a discussion with SVS about multiple mafia teams before. I believe she had stated that she prefers smaller teams, but I'm having trouble finding this conversation.

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?

If there is more than one mafia team, I could care less which one llama is on if he's bad.

My goal was to figure out whether there is 1 mafia team or more, and potentially discover who might be mafia. I believe there are two mafia teams. I think three is far-fetched, and one would be "less fun". Also I know I had a discussion with SVS about multiple mafia teams before. I believe she had stated that she prefers smaller teams, but I'm having trouble finding this conversation.

This didn't answer my question at all.

Assuming you were going to get an answer to "which mafia team is X on?", How did you expect anyone to indicate which team?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

Juliets suggested I know what the mafia team names are. To have this knowledge, I would probably have to be mafia. But she didn't seem very convinced considering the suggestion she made.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:Also, I agree that it is not unlikely that the Trickster is involved in the Night Polls. Unfortunately, if it's similar to A World Reborn, there's not really much we can do about it. First, there's a really wide variety of possible poll outcomes... could be some good some bad, or there could be one bad one and the rest are neutral, or something else, something we've never seen before.

Do each of the options correspond to a player?

Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Polar Bear - ?

Brown Bear. Shameful.

thellama73 wrote:Because he's dead? He died. He is no more. He is an ex-Rico. He's pushing up the daisies. He's shuffled off the mortal coil and gone to join the choir invisible.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Cattle = Domestic Cow = Hamburgerboy?

Long Con wrote:Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Brown Bear - S~V~S?

DharmaHelper wrote:I understand the question was bait, but at the time you asked it, surely you would have expected a response. At the time you asked, nobody knew it was a bait question. So given that, they would indicate to you "which team", how exactly?

The question itself is a poison pill, is what I'm getting at. You suspect JC for saying that you suggested the teams were named, which you didn't explicitly, but you can't in turn suspect her when "which team is he on" requires a distinction between teams.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Brown Bear - S~V~S?

I searched the Syndicate for "spider monkey", and this came up.

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