Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Master Radishes]

I'm too young to know Joe Piscopo except by people older than me referencing him.

Remember when I thought I was sorry about trying to shoot you?

[hollowkatt]

@DrWilgy its probably HK or Dizzy. What do you think about dizzy?

[Kylemii]

why is MR obvious town again

[Made]

why is MR obvious town again

Pepsi man

[Master Radishes]

@DrWilgy its probably HK or Dizzy. What do you think about dizzy?

A Matt Groening creation.

Scum confirmed.

[hollowkatt]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

[hollowkatt]

@DrWilgy its probably HK or Dizzy. What do you think about dizzy?

A Matt Groening creation.

Scum confirmed.

[Master Radishes]

why is MR obvious town again

I'm innocent child.

[Made]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

[Kylemii]

why is MR obvious town again

Pepsi man

Edgar Pepis

[Made]

why is MR obvious town again

Pepsi man

Edgar Pepis

Edgar Allen PepsiMan

[Justplayingitcool]

I have a burning desire to vote for made again lol

[Made]

@DrWilgy its probably HK or Dizzy. What do you think about dizzy?

[Master Radishes]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

[Kylemii]

Joe Pp

[hollowkatt]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

Then why are you voting Tim, especially WITH Dizzy? Like that's what I don't get. Your POE may say it's Tim and that's fine, I can get that.
What I can't wrap my head around is you wanting it to be me or dizzy but then voting your POE along side of one of us. Doesn't jibe.

[Made]

I have a burning desire to vote for made again lol

Our ability to delay gratification is what makes us human

[Kylemii]

Hollowknight? yes no

[Made]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

Then why are you voting Tim, especially WITH Dizzy? Like that's what I don't get. Your POE may say it's Tim and that's fine, I can get that.
What I can't wrap my head around is you wanting it to be me or dizzy but then voting your POE along side of one of us. Doesn't jibe.

I don’t think both of you are bad. I think I’m likely wrong with one of you in Tim, you, Dizzy. I’m of the mind that there’s one mafia left, MAYBE 2, but IMO that’s less likely

[Made]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

Hmm. Okay. So is it just HK/Tim here then?

[Timsup2nothin]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

Your POE needs help.

[hollowkatt]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

Hmm. Okay. So is it just HK/Tim here then?

Made, Made, Made. It's simple. Elementary, even. If you open your heart, your mind, nay - your very soul, the truth will come to you. Philosophers debated this question in the great forums of Athens, but even they were too closed-minded to understand the truth. The greatest thinkers of the modern era have grappled with this question. Hobbes, Locke, Descartes, Nietzche, Einstein, Watterson - all have buckled under the weight of the intellectual burden, because they too did not understand the truth.

My villager alignment is not something you learn - it's something you already know.

[Made]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

Hmm. Okay. So is it just HK/Tim here then?

Made, Made, Made. It's simple. Elementary, even. If you open your heart, your mind, nay - your very soul, the truth will come to you. Philosophers debated this question in the great forums of Athens, but even they were too closed-minded to understand the truth. The greatest thinkers of the modern era have grappled with this question. Hobbes, Locke, Descartes, Nietzche, Einstein, Watterson - all have buckled under the weight of the intellectual burden, because they too did not understand the truth.

My villager alignment is not something you learn - it's something you already know.

Bold of you to assume I can read

[Master Radishes]

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

[Made]

But yeah, I was wrong on Ted, but my reason for not Wilgy is the same you’re are giving for not Dizzy, Radishes. I just don’t see that much busing. Both before they were caught and after they were caught they bussed Wilgy at every turn.

[Timsup2nothin]

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

it's always been a mystery to me how when I do the right thing I get called scummy

[hollowkatt]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

Hmm. Okay. So is it just HK/Tim here then?

Made, Made, Made. It's simple. Elementary, even. If you open your heart, your mind, nay - your very soul, the truth will come to you. Philosophers debated this question in the great forums of Athens, but even they were too closed-minded to understand the truth. The greatest thinkers of the modern era have grappled with this question. Hobbes, Locke, Descartes, Nietzche, Einstein, Watterson - all have buckled under the weight of the intellectual burden, because they too did not understand the truth.

My villager alignment is not something you learn - it's something you already know.

Bold of you to assume I can read

That's why it's funny. You don't have to read to know I'm villager, you know it in your heart of hearts.
Lets find the last wolf, wiggly, together friendo. if I'm wrong then great, it means you've found me, the last wolf, and the game is yours! But if I'm right.. think of all the sweet af happiness chemicals in your brain

[Master Radishes]

And I doubt it's HK either. I agree he fits the conventional profile of what a scum in D7 might look like - less present than others, less engaged, less involved, etc. But Sloonei really wanted him dead D1/D2. Like, more than your standard distancing tactics, I think. And you take into account Sloonei's treatment of Cat, Nanook, Marmot, and Ted, all of which he barely interacted with...

HK remains PoE by virtue of others being more clear, but man, I doubt it.

[Master Radishes]

Basically Made, your PoE is wrong.

It's Wilgy or you.

[Master Radishes]

Or maybe Hyena. Maybe.

[hollowkatt]

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

it's always been a mystery to me how when I do the right thing I get called scummy

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[Master Radishes]

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

it's always been a mystery to me how when I do the right thing I get called scummy

I think it's your face.

[Michelle]

confident town: - ignoring mechanics these people are playing townie games
tim
syn
dizzy
hyena
jpic
kyle
LC
HK

not confident town: - people in this bucket are mechanically likely to be town, but their play isn't filling me with confidence.
MR
Michelle
tutuu
made

not town: - obvs bucket is obvs.
alison
wiggly

Explain your reads for your not confident town pls
You can start with me, because i happen to have TMI on the slot

[Timsup2nothin]

Or maybe Hyena. Maybe.

Hyena is a hard sell for me. His role is obviously verified and I just can't see giving that role to a wolf (and yeah I know it has been done, but that was by a...less conventional...host).

[Justplayingitcool]

Made's PoE bothers me a lot

[Made]

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

I agree that it makes sense, my read of Tim as baddie is very PoE. For me, if it’s not you, LC, or Dizzy—no matter how absurd—it has to be Tim or HK and Tim seems most likely. Tim as mafia means Tim is playing a phenomenal game, but his behavior makes sense if he’s bad. More sense than HK anyways. I’m not able to draw the same kinda conclusions based on actions in HK’s behavior I can on Tim

[Michelle]

also, @Made if it's me or dizzy why are you voting with dizzy on Tim? inquiring minds want to know

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

Hmm. Okay. So is it just HK/Tim here then?

Made, Made, Made. It's simple. Elementary, even. If you open your heart, your mind, nay - your very soul, the truth will come to you. Philosophers debated this question in the great forums of Athens, but even they were too closed-minded to understand the truth. The greatest thinkers of the modern era have grappled with this question. Hobbes, Locke, Descartes, Nietzche, Einstein, Watterson - all have buckled under the weight of the intellectual burden, because they too did not understand the truth.

My villager alignment is not something you learn - it's something you already know.

Bold of you to assume I can read

That's why it's funny. You don't have to read to know I'm villager, you know it in your heart of hearts.
Lets find the last wolf, wiggly, together friendo. if I'm wrong then great, it means you've found me, the last wolf, and the game is yours! But if I'm right.. think of all the sweet af happiness chemicals in your brain

I am confused by this post tbh

[Master Radishes]

Or maybe Hyena. Maybe.

Hyena is a hard sell for me. His role is obviously verified and I just can't see giving that role to a wolf (and yeah I know it has been done, but that was by a...less conventional...host).

I'm just thinking if our very narrow PoE is wrong, I think I go to Hyena next. Role aside, I don't understand for a second why people think his game has been towny. He's in the mushy middle (and sinking lower every round) of the roster in terms of presence, reads, engagement, etc.

But yeah, between his role being a bit townsided, and Sloonei going pretty hard on him in D1, I can accept him probably just being town.

[Kylemii]

made said he wouldn't be lynchable right? that should be factored in as we try to solve stuff

[hollowkatt]

confident town: - ignoring mechanics these people are playing townie games
tim
syn
dizzy
hyena
jpic
kyle
LC
HK

not confident town: - people in this bucket are mechanically likely to be town, but their play isn't filling me with confidence.
MR
Michelle
tutuu
made

not town: - obvs bucket is obvs.
alison
wiggly

Explain your reads for your not confident town pls
You can start with me, because i happen to have TMI on the slot

nobody in the second bucket reads as town to me. The reason they're not in the "not town" bucket is because I'm told they're town for some reason or another.
Basically, I don't like your tunnel on tutuu, I think it's anti-town and I worry you're missing bigger picture things b/c of your focus.
Tutuu is abrasive, intransigent, and playing difficult on purpose. she's also apparently mech town.
MR I've already explained, and Made my understanding is they've been mechanically likely town, but their play, especially over the last couple days, ain't good. And his POE is ugh bad.

[Made]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

[Master Radishes]

made said he wouldn't be lynchable right? that should be factored in as we try to solve stuff

Let's test it then.

[Timsup2nothin]

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

it's always been a mystery to me how when I do the right thing I get called scummy

I think it's your face.

my face?

[Made]

Conclusion is one of the two Ted or Sloonei was busing Wilgy/HK?

[hollowkatt]

It's also not Tim, I don't think.

Everything about him this game makes sense to me now. He deliberately took an anti-town approach to dodge any chance of a NK (a bit presemptuous of him imo), waited for his N6 kill, and was obviously frustrated that that got blocked too. You could see him reluctantly agree to townread me and explain his thought process (the post everyone called scummy).

I agree that it makes sense, my read of Tim as baddie is very PoE. For me, if it’s not you, LC, or Dizzy—no matter how absurd—it has to be Tim or HK and Tim seems most likely. Tim as mafia means Tim is playing a phenomenal game, but his behavior makes sense if he’s bad. More sense than HK anyways. I’m not able to draw the same kinda conclusions based on actions in HK’s behavior I can on Tim

Why are you ignoring wiggly? What makes him so lock clear town for you that you're completely unwilling to even think he could be a wolf here?
Your POE is bad and the process you're using to get there is also bad.

Explain to me how it's Tim or myself. Like actually lay out the case.

[Kylemii]

i think anyone who says they wouldn't bus their final teammate and try to heroically turn a 7 player deficit into a win is a liar

[Kylemii]

@Made are you still immortal

[hollowkatt]

My PoE says it’s Tim, but my heart says it’s you or Dizzy

It is never Dizzy. He was the single biggest factor in making sure Ted got yeeted at EoD6. His claimed role is town-sided, and has been essentially verified to exist.

And that's not even taking into account him being standard Dizzy. Well, Dizzy-lite. But still Dizzy.

Hmm. Okay. So is it just HK/Tim here then?

Made, Made, Made. It's simple. Elementary, even. If you open your heart, your mind, nay - your very soul, the truth will come to you. Philosophers debated this question in the great forums of Athens, but even they were too closed-minded to understand the truth. The greatest thinkers of the modern era have grappled with this question. Hobbes, Locke, Descartes, Nietzche, Einstein, Watterson - all have buckled under the weight of the intellectual burden, because they too did not understand the truth.

My villager alignment is not something you learn - it's something you already know.

Bold of you to assume I can read

That's why it's funny. You don't have to read to know I'm villager, you know it in your heart of hearts.
Lets find the last wolf, wiggly, together friendo. if I'm wrong then great, it means you've found me, the last wolf, and the game is yours! But if I'm right.. think of all the sweet af happiness chemicals in your brain

I am confused by this post tbh

I'm calling Mades read on me bad. I'm saying the last wolf is wiggly. I'm also saying that if I'm wrong it means I'm the last wolf (this part is sarcasm btw), and the last phrase is for laughs.

[Master Radishes]

wilgy’s town game is a lot better / more invested than his iso looks and his EoD doesn’t look like he is pushing his reads / a more confident one that he should have.

i know it sounds pretty level 1 and whatnot but i think he despises wolfing and loooves villaging and the latter doesn’t show at all

i also secretly think he’d be having less posts but a lot more bite as a town probably, the more posts thing is wolfy for him because you need to post a lot as a wolf for town reads and as a town he just doesn’t care to post a lot, but cares in pushes etc etc

Ted goes on like every day on this shit. This is why I don’t think it’s wilgy

Imagine there are two wolves left, and both are basically outed or deep in the PoE, and they're up against like 15 town who are mostly getting cleared or heavily townread.

How do they play it? Do they try to associate themselves by working together in thread or agreeing with each other or even just staying casually neutral? Or do they go for the hard distance?

[Made]

made said he wouldn't be lynchable right? that should be factored in as we try to solve stuff

Let's test it then.

I mean it’s sub optimal play, but like go nuts. I’m cool clearing some of the mystic. Are we at a mylo situation at end game rather than a lylo. It’s not terrible play to go for a kill on me as a no chop if it makes end game better