The Syndicate

Nooo!! Mongoose! RIP. You will be sorely missed.

Mongoose! Such a cute little varmint too.

IYWG Mongoose! I didn't really have any suspicions of you

Devin the Omniscient wrote: IYWG Mongoose! I didn't really have any suspicions of you

I was pretty confident of his civility. It's a real shame, because there aren't many I can say that about :-/

Yeah... this game is getting really depressing

/\ Agreed. RIP(IYWG) Mongoose. someone obviously wasn't as convinced as Nev, since 'Goose was killed by a Splicer. I thought we started off so well 4 days ago, too.

Indiglo, thank you for posting the case on bea. I've been among those defending her (though I haven't been subtle about it), largely because no case besides her infamous vote had been posted. Now that there is one I'll consider it carefully. I think the flip-flop on Epi is a very good point, and I was unaware of her ability to use a 'sweet bea act', as I believe you described it.

Russtifinko wrote:/\ Agreed. RIP(IYWG) Mongoose. someone obviously wasn't as convinced as Nev, since 'Goose was killed by a Splicer. I thought we started off so well 4 days ago, too.

I don't think he was. He was incinerated after the splicer walked away.
Presumably killed by the plasmid?
Could still be a civ kill, but I don't think anybody's been poking at him in thread.

Good point. Well, RIPIYWG anyway Mongoose. I have no reason to think you weren't.

Thank you Indiglo- the part about the flip on epig does stand out. I've done all the reading I can do for one day, in both games I'm in, on an iPhone. (no computer at the moment, but I have ordered one) anyhow, words are running together. I'll reread Bea tomorrow, and post my thoughts on Bullzeye too.

RIP Mongoose.

At this point I'm more inclined to vote for Bullzeye than Bea. I get part of the case on bea but I feel more strongly about the one on bullz.

RIP Mongoose!

Nevinera wrote:I don't think he was. He was incinerated after the splicer walked away.
Presumably killed by the plasmid?
Could still be a civ kill, but I don't think anybody's been poking at him in thread.

That's how I read it too. I think it's possible that a splicer attacked Mongoose and that the kill didn't go through. It's hard to say, the way MP has written it; it could just be part of the story line. If a splicer did attack Mongoose then I would be surprised, since I was not getting any baddie vibes from her.

I'm still not convinced about the case against bea. Like it has been mentioned several times, I don't think we should put too much stock in a day 2 vote, irrespective of its timing. I think the problem with that argument is that it's easier for us in hindsight to suspect foul play, but at the time putting a vote on someone else sometimes just makes more sense. It's very difficult for us to relive that exact moment when bea put her vote, from her perspective. Having said that, I also respect the fact that quite a few players think bea might be a baddie. With all the complex powers and role-interactions in this game, there may be reasons that I don't understand why people think so. I'm willing to consider that possibility, but at this moment, based simply on what's been happening in the thread, bea is not in my bad books. Equally importantly, I also see some subtle/some not-so-subtle bea-defense going on, and that makes me a little wary. I would like to hear more from bea herself, especially regarding her own suspects.

I haven't had a good read on Bullz so far. I'm going to read through the thread once again, a little later. Hopefully I will have something more to say about my own suspects at that time.

So which of you bitches tried to kill me?

RIP Mongoose. I thought you were good and I enjoy playing with you. What a way to go!

nutella wrote:RIP Mongoose.

At this point I'm more inclined to vote for Bullzeye than Bea. I get part of the case on bea but I feel more strongly about the one on bullz.

Really? There's more of a case on Bea than there is on me. You've got her early blendiness combined with her vote that may have been to save BWT, whereas the only reason anyone has mentioned for me is my vote. We'd be better off lynching Bea or Dex I think.

Zany Dex wrote:So which of you bitches tried to kill me?

Do you mean as an NK? Cause I think you know all of us who voted for you to be lynched. I also plan to vote for you again btw unless something drastically changes.

Snow Dog wrote:RIP Mongoose. I thought you were good and I enjoy playing with you. What a way to go!

Thanks, I always enjoy you too! I am glad to have made a rather glorious exodus!

I hope bea comes on and says something about her flip-flop on Epi. I'm having trouble deciding between her and Dex.

Russtifinko wrote:I hope bea comes on and says something about her flip-flop on Epi. I'm having trouble deciding between her and Dex.

I wouldn't mind hearing a bit more about this myself. Thank you for pointing this out Indi! I had forgotten about the flip-flop.

Dex?

Zany Dex wrote:So which of you bitches tried to kill me?

Other than the lynch voters who tried to kill you? Or when??

Zany Dex wrote:So which of you bitches tried to kill me?

It was me. I had an extra plasmid lying around sooooooo....

Viking funeral, eh Mongoose? RIPIYWG. As for this day's lynch, it really doesn't seem like we're getting any significant new information. Good to see Ajira bringing up the post count, bad to see Dex being so rude :P. I don't want to get tunnel vision, but it seems like we haven't yet been able to act on the conclusions of the last few days, so I don't see lynch targets really getting changed.

Mongoose wrote:Love the voting option of Stephen King, MP!

Ever the astute Mongoose! Nice crossover.

Boomslang wrote:Viking funeral, eh Mongoose? RIPIYWG. As for this day's lynch, it really doesn't seem like we're getting any significant new information. Good to see Ajira bringing up the post count, bad to see Dex being so rude :P. I don't want to get tunnel vision, but it seems like we haven't yet been able to act on the conclusions of the last few days, so I don't see lynch targets really getting changed.

Yeah, I agree with this. Not a lot has changed, so its a quiet forum again. Also, with tomorrows US of A holiday I imagine many like me will be voting early.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Viking funeral, eh Mongoose? RIPIYWG. As for this day's lynch, it really doesn't seem like we're getting any significant new information. Good to see Ajira bringing up the post count, bad to see Dex being so rude :P. I don't want to get tunnel vision, but it seems like we haven't yet been able to act on the conclusions of the last few days, so I don't see lynch targets really getting changed.

Yeah, I agree with this. Not a lot has changed, so its a quiet forum again. Also, with tomorrows US of A holiday I imagine many like me will be voting early.

That's probably true. So, among those of us who are here (or in and out, at least), who are you guys favoring?

I forgot to mention G.O.B. in my earlier post, by the way. His postless voting also merits votes by now, I think.

As I seem to recall it - I was leary of epi during the time before teefies flipped baddie. After that, not so much.

Also - indi - I'm curious as to what game it is you are referring to that I was bad and conned you by being all "sweet." I for the life of me can't recall a single game in which we played together where I was bad and you weren't.

also - rip boo and mongoose.

ebwop - and boats. :faceplam: this is what mafia is like for me before caffine.

Ok - so my thought today was to see who, if anyone, has consistently voted for a civ, while not voting for teefies on day 2. Here's what i've come up with:

Day 1: A Person voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Devin, Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Snow Dog and Mata.
Day 3: Llama voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Devin and Mata. (Snow Dog voted Lizzy)
Day 4: Boo voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Mata, Devin, Bullzeye and Snowdog
Day 5: Boats voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Bullzeye, Devin, and Mata.

My main thinking here was that on Day 2 maybe the potential teammates didn't try to save teefies, but also maybe they didn't throw a vote their way. When I play as a baddie, I tend to vote the strongest case w/o much thought to it so that I can blend it. What I didn't expect to find was the same names pop up so often. I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

I'd been leaning civ for devin.

I'm unsure about snowdog.

I forgot name was playing again.

I have no read on mata at all.

What the fuck is teefies?

Snowie, I think teefies is BWT.

bea, thanks for the response. Your analysis is really interesting, and makes me think maybe the names on your list need a second look.

I think I'm unlikely to vote bea today. Still leaning more G.O.B. or Dex more than anyone else, but I'd also like to hear what the names bea mentioned have to say about their vote records.

Russtifinko wrote:Snowie, I think teefies is BWT.

bea, thanks for the response. Your analysis is really interesting, and makes me think maybe the names on your list need a second look.

I think I'm unlikely to vote bea today. Still leaning more G.O.B. or Dex more than anyone else, but I'd also like to hear what the names bea mentioned have to say about their vote records.

What is there to say really? I've had crappy instincts this game . Doesn't really mean anything in my opinion.

@ Snowdog - yes - teefies is BWT. sorry, it's one of my pet names - he was horse with teeth then bird with teeth. I took to calling him teefies.

@ Russti - I agree - I'm not willing to vote any of the people mentioned without a decent look back at them, but I thought it was an interesting enough thing to point out to everyone.

@ bullz - If my theory isn't worth much, where else should we look? I mean obviously, besides me. Surely you can agree that there are more baddies than one in this game? And surely you can agree that it might be helpful to start looking for them yes? Since we disagree about my civness, perhaps we can agree on who else might be bad?

@ MP - that's perfectly fine by me. Thanks actually for the extension!

bea wrote:@ Snowdog - yes - teefies is BWT. sorry, it's one of my pet names - he was horse with teeth then bird with teeth. I took to calling him teefies.

@ Russti - I agree - I'm not willing to vote any of the people mentioned without a decent look back at them, but I thought it was an interesting enough thing to point out to everyone.

@ bullz - If my theory isn't worth much, where else should we look? I mean obviously, besides me. Surely you can agree that there are more baddies than one in this game? And surely you can agree that it might be helpful to start looking for them yes? Since we disagree about my civness, perhaps we can agree on who else might be bad?

@ MP - that's perfectly fine by me. Thanks actually for the extension!

I think it would be worth something if there was more to it. As it stands it's just an interesting observation that several of us have had bad luck with all of our votes. Aside from you I think Dex is worth taking a look at, he's been on and off my radar all game. I also don't have the best feeling about Dom, but I can't quite put my finger on why that is. Something about him just isn't sitting right with me.

Another thing I've been wondering about, which I think Boo sort of touched upon before he died, is the possibility of DH himself being a BWT teammate. For all the witch hunting he did he voted early for Mongoose on the day BWT died. Dedicating a large amount of your posts to finding a baddie's teammates is definitely a good way of making people doubt that you yourself are on that team I suppose. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? It's 100% WIFOM but I think it's worth considering.

Bullzeye wrote:Another thing I've been wondering about, which I think Boo sort of touched upon before he died, is the possibility of DH himself being a BWT teammate. For all the witch hunting he did he voted early for Mongoose on the day BWT died. Dedicating a large amount of your posts to finding a baddie's teammates is definitely a good way of making people doubt that you yourself are on that team I suppose. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? It's 100% WIFOM but I think it's worth considering.

I think you're a hypocrite. DharmaHelper voted seventh for Mongoose on Day 2. You voted for Aces twenty-second.

honestly, I am not sure where I stand with DH. I've seen his baddie game more intimately than his civ one and I know his bad game is so good, it's easy to always think of him as bad. So, yea, I combat that a lot. I mistakenly helped lynch him quickly in Spongebob. Right now, all I'm seeing that could make him be bad is paranoia.

I can't even begin to make heads or tails of what is going on in dex's world. His posts feel like they are wabbit posts on crack.

Dom hasn't sparked me yet though I don't trust him yet either. For me, it's our mutual lack of trust for each other is the thing that has me most convinced that Dom might be civ. I'd need more than a "something I can't put my figure on" to look his way at this point. (I realize this sounds odd, but it is completely about par for the course of every time dom and I have played together. I'd be hecka worried about him if he were championing hard for my civness. I'm sure he would feel the same about me.)

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Another thing I've been wondering about, which I think Boo sort of touched upon before he died, is the possibility of DH himself being a BWT teammate. For all the witch hunting he did he voted early for Mongoose on the day BWT died. Dedicating a large amount of your posts to finding a baddie's teammates is definitely a good way of making people doubt that you yourself are on that team I suppose. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? It's 100% WIFOM but I think it's worth considering.

I think you're a hypocrite. DharmaHelper voted seventh for Mongoose on Day 2. You voted for Aces twenty-second.

Quick to defend DH's honour there, did I touch a nerve? There isn't even any proof I voted for a civvie that day. We don't know Aces' role, he could be anyone. As to the earliness of DH's vote: "How could I possibly have been trying to protect a teammate? Look at how early my vote for absolutely anyone but him was!". Like I said, it's total WIFOM but I thought it was something worth mentioning. Considering how Boo was calling for his head on a spike I don't think I'm the first to notice. Not seeing how that makes me a hypocrite.

Yeah I have been doing a pretty shitty job of reading people this game! I have all but given up on it!
It doesn't help that I don't have time to do thorough rereads either.

Dom wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:I ended up voting him because if he was civ he wasn't helping. I didn't really have anything much in the way of baddies so I decided to vote a person who wasn't around at all anyway.

It's more so I didn't have suspicions, so I'd rather give it a shot with someone who wasn't around than someone who was actually potentially helping the cause.

So you voted for someone you believed to be civvie? And you had no other suspicions?
Not Bullz, Bea, Snow Dog, Me, Aces, Epig, or GOB on the list of some of the people who have been dicussed at some length? You suspected NONE of them? So you voted for someone who you felt was a CIVVIE

Wow. What the hell kind of game are you playing?

Never once did I say that. In fact I was actively trying to make it clear I was not saying that.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Another thing I've been wondering about, which I think Boo sort of touched upon before he died, is the possibility of DH himself being a BWT teammate. For all the witch hunting he did he voted early for Mongoose on the day BWT died. Dedicating a large amount of your posts to finding a baddie's teammates is definitely a good way of making people doubt that you yourself are on that team I suppose. Does anyone have any thoughts about that? It's 100% WIFOM but I think it's worth considering.

I think you're a hypocrite. DharmaHelper voted seventh for Mongoose on Day 2. You voted for Aces twenty-second.

Quick to defend DH's honour there, did I touch a nerve? There isn't even any proof I voted for a civvie that day. We don't know Aces' role, he could be anyone. As to the earliness of DH's vote: "How could I possibly have been trying to protect a teammate? Look at how early my vote for absolutely anyone but him was!". Like I said, it's total WIFOM but I thought it was something worth mentioning. Considering how Boo was calling for his head on a spike I don't think I'm the first to notice. Not seeing how that makes me a hypocrite.

I think you're clutching at straws now.

And Boo called for his own head on a spike before anyone else's. As far as I can tell, he had no way of knowing anything. He could have used reason to back up his swan song, but he didn't. Instead, he insulted people with his bluff.

bea wrote:ebwop - and boats. :faceplam: this is what mafia is like for me before caffine.

Ok - so my thought today was to see who, if anyone, has consistently voted for a civ, while not voting for teefies on day 2. Here's what i've come up with:

Day 1: A Person voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Devin, Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Snow Dog and Mata.
Day 3: Llama voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Devin and Mata. (Snow Dog voted Lizzy)
Day 4: Boo voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Mata, Devin, Bullzeye and Snowdog
Day 5: Boats voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Bullzeye, Devin, and Mata.

My main thinking here was that on Day 2 maybe the potential teammates didn't try to save teefies, but also maybe they didn't throw a vote their way. When I play as a baddie, I tend to vote the strongest case w/o much thought to it so that I can blend it. What I didn't expect to find was the same names pop up so often. I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

I'd been leaning civ for devin.

I'm unsure about snowdog.

I forgot name was playing again.

I have no read on mata at all.

I think Snow Dog is certainly worth a second look.

But Bullz seems to be desperately just yelling, "omg look at everyone else but me"

bea wrote:honestly, I am not sure where I stand with DH. I've seen his baddie game more intimately than his civ one and I know his bad game is so good, it's easy to always think of him as bad. So, yea, I combat that a lot. I mistakenly helped lynch him quickly in Spongebob. Right now, all I'm seeing that could make him be bad is paranoia.

I can't even begin to make heads or tails of what is going on in dex's world. His posts feel like they are wabbit posts on crack.

Dom hasn't sparked me yet though I don't trust him yet either. For me, it's our mutual lack of trust for each other is the thing that has me most convinced that Dom might be civ. I'd need more than a "something I can't put my figure on" to look his way at this point. (I realize this sounds odd, but it is completely about par for the course of every time dom and I have played together. I'd be hecka worried about him if he were championing hard for my civness. I'm sure he would feel the same about me.)

Yeah, I feel similarly.

I think Bea brought up a good point about those voters. I'd say Devin feels the most civ to me of that group. Bullz and Snow I'm a bit leery of, but I don't have a strong read on them. And as for Mata, I think I'm leaning civ on her.

bea wrote:As I seem to recall it - I was leary of epi during the time before teefies flipped baddie. After that, not so much.

Also - indi - I'm curious as to what game it is you are referring to that I was bad and conned you by being all "sweet." I for the life of me can't recall a single game in which we played together where I was bad and you weren't.

I'm rubbish with remembering names of previous games, but it was an HV game and it was quite a while ago. I don't remember if I was civ or not (I didn't say anything about my role in that game b/c I don't remember) but I remember you even apologized afterwards for tugging at my heart strings during the game. I, of course, have no hard feelings about it, but I also don't forget that routine that I saw.

Why did your opinion of Epi flip so very quickly?

Also, I'm not sure I understand what kind of point you were trying to make with your analysis of non-BWT voters who are still alive. Are you saying you think those people are his teammates?



MP, thanks for extending the deadline! This will give me more time to do some rereads. I'm especially pleased as my next couple of days just got more hectic.

As I said - I remember being wary of him prior to finding out bwt's alignment. I believe during that night following the bwt lynch, that mata proposed the idea that he could be on the opposing baddie team, which is plausible and made some sense at the time, I changed my mind during the llama lynch because mata's theory felt less likely based on how epi was behaving in the thread.

I'm also saying - with that list that it's just as likely that we're likely to find a bwt teammate there as well. They have consistently followed the crowd and voted for a civ (even on day 1) but did not vote the one baddie we've lynched. I have yet to go back and look at individual posts, and if I had to vote now, I wouldn't be able to. It's just where I'm going to focus my read back and thought I'd share it with the thread as it's the best idea I can come up with at the moment.

Also - I can't really be arsed to go find said HV game to double check you, but to my knowledge I've only ever successfully conned LT as a baddie. During Wabbit's Ceasar game. In any event, might it be possible that my play style has changed since said game that happened so long ago that neither of us can remember what game it was?

Dom wrote:
But Bullz seems to be desperately just yelling, "omg look at everyone else but me"

Haha, no. I was directly asked who I'm suspicious of so I answered. Given it was late at night and I was tired I wasn't in the mood for much elaboration but answering a specific question addressed to me is in no way 'desperately yelling' to look at other people but me. Half the case on me doesn't even make sense tbh, and the rest of it is based on a couple of bad votes. Since about three people have called me suspicious so far I pretty much don't care. People are welcome to look at me if they want. When you base your opinion on my posts and not my votes you'll probably realise I'm not bad.

bea wrote:ebwop - and boats. :faceplam: this is what mafia is like for me before caffine.

Ok - so my thought today was to see who, if anyone, has consistently voted for a civ, while not voting for teefies on day 2. Here's what i've come up with:

Day 1: A Person voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Devin, Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Snow Dog and Mata.
Day 3: Llama voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Devin and Mata. (Snow Dog voted Lizzy)
Day 4: Boo voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Mata, Devin, Bullzeye and Snowdog
Day 5: Boats voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Bullzeye, Devin, and Mata.

My main thinking here was that on Day 2 maybe the potential teammates didn't try to save teefies, but also maybe they didn't throw a vote their way. When I play as a baddie, I tend to vote the strongest case w/o much thought to it so that I can blend it. What I didn't expect to find was the same names pop up so often. I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

I'd been leaning civ for devin.

I'm unsure about snowdog.

I forgot name was playing again.

I have no read on mata at all.

This is... actually rather excellent analysis. The clustering is definitely worth a look, especially for mata, who hasn't seemed to raise any previous concerns. I've been pointing out Snowdog's blendiness in thread posts before, and this corroborates that gut instinct with some poll results.