The Syndicate

It is the wrong course to take. Why me?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:29 am It is the wrong course to take. Why me?

Your vote was bad.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:11 am @Turnip Head is replacing Zemmi

Wuuuuuuuuut?

RIP Nutella.

Also, this theme is way memeier than I ever knew. All these gifs and things I didn't know were from the Wire.

Can someone give me the notes from class?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:17 am Can someone give me the notes from class?

Rej was bad and lynched d2. If you wanna look at a lynch to analyse start with that one. Though you'll have to iso the host to find the poll post.

D2 also had a double lynch. TSP died with Rej. He was a civ.

Day 1 was a tie between Dragomir and Dom. The former got lynched. He was a civ.

N1 Dom and Mac were killed. Both civs. Most people think the Dom death was by a vig and I think that's probably the case.

I won't tell what most people think of the living ones. Let's see what conclusions you make while playing.

I had a strong civ read on LC but then I forgot he existed.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Someone tell me why we should humor this dude any longer. He's barely doing anything. And Jack who can read his meta says he's suspicious.

Was Day 2 a tie, like Day 1, or was it a double lynch? And did we know 2 people would be lynched? Seems a good place to start for sure. Is dunya playing?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:41 am Was Day 2 a tie, like Day 1, or was it a double lynch? And did we know 2 people would be lynched? Seems a good place to start for sure. Is dunya playing?

Yes, we knew there would be two lynches. People were allowed to vote two people each. And dunya is playing.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:29 am It is the wrong course to take. Why me?

Your vote was bad.

Civs don't have bad votes sometimes?

RIP game

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:29 am It is the wrong course to take. Why me?

Your vote was bad.

Civs don't have bad votes sometimes?

They do. But your vote for me felt weak and you never flinched from start to finish. It was bad in that it felt like a vote a bad guy would make.

I’ll do things eventually this phase. The semester just ended and I’m mentally fatigued. Interactive ISOs are in order.

Yeah, Creature's scum. He hasn't posted since Thursday and the posts he made on Thursday were damn near contentless except a vote on Sloonei because he "failed to townread him." Town Creature isn't crazy active or crazy analytical but this is worse than I'd expect. 42 posts over 2 weeks. Didn't even vote two players. Inquiries into Rej's alignment but no reaction to the answers he got. Just votes Sloonei.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Flinching isn't really LC's style

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:52 pm Flinching isn't really LC's style

I mean it was a weak vote and he never seemed to consider alternatives. Like he did on Day 1.

I'm here thinking of the latest post from Jack isn't a reaction by scumjack to me calling him an authority on creature and giving him an opportunity to bandwagon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:17 pm I'm here thinking of the latest post from Jack isn't a reaction by scumjack to me calling him an authority on creature and giving him an opportunity to bandwagon.

I do not follow. Is this a good look for jack?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:30 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:17 pm I'm here thinking of the latest post from Jack isn't a reaction by scumjack to me calling him an authority on creature and giving him an opportunity to bandwagon.

I do not follow. Is this a good look for jack?

You don't follow because I made a typo and wrote "of" instead of "if" in the first sentence.

This was me being paranoid.

You wanna sheep my Creature read or not?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:59 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:52 pm Flinching isn't really LC's style

I mean it was a weak vote and he never seemed to consider alternatives. Like he did on Day 1.

Did I really do that on Day 1 though? Or was I just making you believe I was?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:29 pm You wanna sheep my Creature read or not?

I already did.

I have a whole 24 hours to decide if I stay there.

But Creature is not helping his case by his continued non posting.

We should probably lynch boo. He scares me.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:02 pm Any takers on Long Con?

There never fuckin' is man. Jack can claim being impossible to lynch all he wants, but I'm pretty sure he's gotta be in second place behind LC for the title on that one.

No way, I am exceptionally easy to lynch. Mostly when I'm not around to defend myself.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:14 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:02 pm Any takers on Long Con?

There never fuckin' is man. Jack can claim being impossible to lynch all he wants, but I'm pretty sure he's gotta be in second place behind LC for the title on that one.

No way, I am exceptionally easy to lynch. Mostly when I'm not around to defend myself.

I'd reckon Boo is thinking about the olden days LC, who was super evil and nasty and always lynched poor little Sig.

I'm not against a Creature lynch, but at the same time I'm not really for it. Can anyone recall if he's usually more active as a mafia member or less?

Speed is a player I think would be worth a look. I keep forgetting he's in the game which isn't a good sign given his normal active/aggressive civ meta.

Less. Consensus on MU is to read him straight on volume and I think that’s wrong but it’s not all that far off.

Talk to me about Speed [mention]sig[/mention]. Is it strictly you forgetting about him?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:59 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:52 pm Flinching isn't really LC's style

I mean it was a weak vote and he never seemed to consider alternatives. Like he did on Day 1.

Did I really do that on Day 1 though? Or was I just making you believe I was?

It looked like you did. What reason would civilian Long Con have to be deceptive in that instance?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:28 pm We should probably lynch boo. He scares me.

Is this just because of his name, or is there more to it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:30 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:28 pm We should probably lynch boo. He scares me.

Is this just because of his name, or is there more to it?

Pun notwithstanding... I've seen him scooch past suspicion as a baddie before. Very unassuming baddie game. I'd be remiss if I didn't point some attention at him.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:30 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:28 pm We should probably lynch boo. He scares me.

Is this just because of his name, or is there more to it?

Pun notwithstanding... I've seen him scooch past suspicion as a baddie before. Very unassuming baddie game. I'd be remiss if I didn't point some attention at him.

I ISO’d him yesterday and thought his Day 1 looked very good, but his Day 2 left a lot to be desired. That was before he posted a Big Ass case against me, which I didn’t love but I have a slight bias in that area.

He’s kind of a back burner suspect for me at the moment, but i’ll have a clearer idea of things if/when I find the motivation to do some interactive isos.

Hello I am here. Why is it so hard to find past vote counts

So competing viable wagons were Sloonei and Colin. No common voters between the two, which is just fantastic. People on Rej and Tony--DDL, Speedchuck, dunya. Not interested in any of those players any time soon. People on Rej and a competing wagon--Jack, Sig. Not super interested there either, as they could've swapped off rej and saved him.

Players on Colin/Sloonei/Tony (including myself, full disclosure)--Sloonei (self prez but not onto rej, which is notable), and Boo.

It's also notable that rej didn't vote on either of sloonei or Colin, which would've given him a chance to survive.

All told I think this points towards sloonei being scum--maybe Colin with his meaningless speedchuck vote, but I tend to think sloonei's votes look worse, coupled with rej not voting there.

Day 0

Day 1

Day 2

For what it’s worth I was going to vote for Rej until boo threatened to flip to me if I did that. Would have put me in a tie for the lead (or second place), if memory serves correctly. So a Rej vote would have been suicide or close to it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:50 am For what it’s worth I was going to vote for Rej until boo threatened to flip to me if I did that. Would have put me in a tie for the lead (or second place), if memory serves correctly. So a Rej vote would have been suicide or close to it.

Source? Boo's votes look sketchy with rej's flip. Nova just posted the poll results thread if anyone wants to take a look. That thing was tight

Nanook's votes don't look great either

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:50 am For what it’s worth I was going to vote for Rej until boo threatened to flip to me if I did that. Would have put me in a tie for the lead (or second place), if memory serves correctly. So a Rej vote would have been suicide or close to it.

Source? Boo's votes look sketchy with rej's flip. Nova just posted the poll results thread if anyone wants to take a look. That thing was tight

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:39 pm I will switch to rej if it means guaranteeing my survival. But colin is my top choice today.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:41 pm But then I'd just switch back to you.

I'm ready to lynch boo now

Sloonei, you also forgot to mention you did vote for Rej before, but then you took off your vote on the grounds of...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:48 pm took my vote off rej since he's got enough attention on him as is.

... whatever this is.

From what I understand, Boo made a "deal" with Sloonei. He offer to take his vote off him if Sloonei voted for the other person Boo wanted to lynch (Colin). So this wasn't much specific to Rej. It was about Colin. If Sloonei had said he'd vote for Nova, Boo might have made the same threat.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:08 pm

boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:07 pm Although you could move your LC vote to TSP and then I'd be willing to consider moving my vote on you to Colin. Sloonei

What does my vote have to do with your vote?
What’s your strongest point against Tony?

You're in a position to be voting to keep yourself alive. I'm in a position I may need to but don't currently need to, but it's in the back of my mind.

Outside of you, everyone else who spoke on it agreed he came across as nonsensically pingy last night. What he's contributed today has just made him look worse.

Now, we could discuss whether this kind of behavior is even pro-civilian. The above sounds like what a real life mafioso would say. That said, the fact Boo has been acting against town's interests doesn't mean he is necessarily mafia, it could also mean he believes so much in his reads he thinks forcing other people to follow them is fair game.

And it would be consistent with what I've seen of Boo in the previous game I played with him, and this one. He is not a team player. At all.

Actually correction: Boo wanted to lynch TSP, and he accepted to vote for Sloonei's target (Colin) in exchange of that. It's a deal, but also made in a forceful way.

Road map:

Sloonei really wanted to lynch Colin. He also had a few other people he was okay with lynching, such as Rej, TSP and LC.

Boo really wanted to lynch TSP. He also wanted to lynch Sloonei. He was not interested on lynching LC or Rej. He was okay with lynching Colin.

Boo realized he has less votes on him than Sloonei, so he made "an offer you can't refuse" to Sloonei. Vote for TSP with him, and Boo would change his second vote from Sloonei to Colin. Sloonei accepted. By this point, Sloonei had already voted for Rej, but changed off it on the grounds of "there are enough people on him".

Towards the EoD, Sloonei voiced interest in switching to a Rej lynch again. Boo then reminded Sloonei he still had a gun pointed to his head, and threatened to change his vote back to him if he backed down on the "deal". Sloonei accepted it.

This is what happened. Interpret the alignments how want.

Based on this, I do not feel like voting Sloonei. He spontaneously expressed interest in voting Rej towards the end, and I would not expect even a veteran player to predict Boo acting like a thug the way he did. Granted, Sloonei could have been more decisive and just voted instead of saying he wanted to vote, but this is classic on-the-fence behavior that is common of civilians, including myself, so it's not a big deal.

I could vote for Boo, but still don't want to that much. Voting for him at this point would be close to a policy lynch. Boo is someone who would use force to make civilians vote for each other torwards the end of the game. But he could still be a civilian, independently of that. And he did protect Rej, but the deal with Sloonei existed independently from the Rej thing, and you could say Boo was being consistent with the deal (albeit in a way very harmful to the civilian faction).

I think sloonei looks worse than boo in this exchange. I don't see a baddie boo going this dangerously public route. Boo is a civilian here.

Okay but now I suspect DDL for having such an in-depth take on it. I still don't like that boo's "deal" looks so much like trying to get Rej out of a tight spot in a double lynch. The double lynch aspect of it contributes to what irks me. Why would a townie boo be so invested in who someone else voted for when two people are going to be lynched? Boo already had his man with TSP, but he got greedy and wanted to keep rej safe too.

Ddl could be bad with him, the way he's hedging. Not the brash and reckless DDL I've come to know and love 0_0