The Syndicate

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:58 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:56 am

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:51 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:50 am

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:29 am It's pretty clear to me that we expel Alison Taylor.

For...being wolf Krusty's packmate?

Do you object?

Maybe.

The "let's cop this one for being that one's pack mate" when we really don't know that one is a wolf seems...premature.

Would you prefer Krusty first?

In a vacuum, yeah. I'm not totally sold on Krusty in the first place, but based on this recent exchange for sure.

And before Skinner consigns me to the flames for defending obv wolf Krusty...I'm at like 60/40 he's a wolf.

What I'm pretty close to a hundred on is that ONE of you and Krusty is a wolf. You are both making basically the same argument, and it is compelling. "I know him and he wouldn't miss three in a row like that as town." You both seem sincere and I am mostly sure you aren't w/w. I'm not as sure, but comfortable enough that you are both just wrong. What I'm not sure of is how to tell which is right.

Krusty seems more wolfy. You have seemed more like town pretty much from the jump. But we are down to the point where someone who seems pretty towny has got to be a wolf. So just saying "okay they both have the same basic argument, but Otto is truthful and Krusty is the wolf...man that's hard. Especially since I know Allison and I know me...and neither of us makes a habit of missing three times in a row either, but I did and if she is town so did she. Now I know who Bart is and I don't think she does either.

BUT WE ALL HAVE.

I am rambling because I still haven't really sorted out why I am where I am.

I think the distinguishing feature is the way you and Krusty have reacted.

Like, I know I've been wrong three times...I don't like it, but I feel like I can't just say you have been wrong three times, must be a wolf to someone. But you and Krusty did get into that "you"..."no you" headspace and I think that means one of you is right about the other. There's some sort of certainty in that exchange somewhere. I just don't know it started in Krusty.

Nice work missing the point and trying to shade me at the same time. I write numbered paragraphs all the time as both alignments, I'm infamous for it actually.

You said I was pulling conversation off Krusty, but I wasn't. I can show you plenty of posts I've made directly about Krusty's alignment and talking with others about Krusty's alignment this day phase.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:00 amI was sort of thinking that it's possible that you and Otto were pretending to squabble over something inconsequential so we get it into our heads that you two aren't teammates without actually having to make serious pushes against each other.

valid i guess. i think we had already squabbled about consequential things prior to that.

my frustration at otto was real. i barely have the energy for the effort i'm putting in. if i were mafia and someone came to me and said "hey let's get in a semi-heated debate about how many words is too many words or whatever" i'd just be like "no thanks, i would rather do something fun or productive with my free time"

What are your reads?

i haven't really had the time to look deeper into anything or anyone since day 3, so i haven't had any new feelings or thoughts that i haven't already said

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:22 am Nice work missing the point and trying to shade me at the same time. I write numbered paragraphs all the time as both alignments, I'm infamous for it actually.

You said I was pulling conversation off Krusty, but I wasn't. I can show you plenty of posts I've made directly about Krusty's alignment and talking with others about Krusty's alignment this day phase.

I'll take that into consideration.

So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

Rereading that post and I really feel like she's reasoning with me as opposed to actually sussing me more than Krusty.

The tone is like she knows shes talking to a towny and wants me off her back.

Maybe it's just me. Anyone else tone reading tonight?

You really are determined to twist everything I say aren't you?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

I forgot.
As of rn-

Skinner - town

Bart - love his continual push to unite town and find common ground through GTH and this exercise. Also, I find his tone light and easy. Probably town

Hugh - I find his posts (that aren't walls) engaging and thoughtful. Seems to be pushing a town agenda but at the same time isn't playing an unfakeable game. Town lean


Here's where it gets interesting for me. Yesterday I would've had Grumple and Gramps in the PoE, but after looking at the game state and gut checking I decided to go at my town reads from yesterday in Allison, Krusty and Burns.
Gotta say after my initial push on Krusty coupled with his lack of hunting and solving, I'm left almost certain he's scum. Allison seems to be defending him to some extent and I had her as potential w/w with Burns from earlier in the game. Thing is, I still kinda like Burns.

So if you need a straight up list of town to scum, based of where I'm at right now -

Skinner
Bart
Hugh
Grumple
Grandpa
Burns
Allison
Krusty

There might be something to the Burns slot though.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

Skinner mech town.

One in Otto/Krusty...more likely Krusty.

Most likely none but maybe one in: Bart, Hugh

Definitely one, likely two in:

Gramps, Grumple, Alisson

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:05 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

Skinner mech town.

One in Otto/Krusty...more likely Krusty.

Most likely none but maybe one in: Bart, Hugh

Definitely one, likely two in:

Gramps, Grumple, Alisson

Why is Skinner mech town?

Your associatives gave me a headache, how do you plan to find a wolf like this?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

hi

skinner
hugh
burns
bart
otto
allison
grumple
krusty

my ISO of Allison was half-assed but I've liked her reactions today so she gets a slight bump up, not in a "yeah she gucci" way but in a "hm, not so confident" way

don't get the sussing of hugh at all beyond tinfoil, he's been rock solid and responsive. He went from "let's chop the slanking nobody" to a pretty level head, and I'll admit his reactions to the wall and tone stuff earlier in the game have been a little town-meld-y for me. gut and substance puts him near the top for me after this long

more thoughts inbound Soon(tm)

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:41 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:05 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

Skinner mech town.

One in Otto/Krusty...more likely Krusty.

Most likely none but maybe one in: Bart, Hugh

Definitely one, likely two in:

Gramps, Grumple, Alisson

Why is Skinner mech town?

what

???

claimed tracker D1, no counterclaim

did I miss something critically important about this

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:41 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:05 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

Skinner mech town.

One in Otto/Krusty...more likely Krusty.

Most likely none but maybe one in: Bart, Hugh

Definitely one, likely two in:

Gramps, Grumple, Alisson

Why is Skinner mech town?

Your associatives gave me a headache, how do you plan to find a wolf like this?

(Pssst.. I'm not sure he wants to find a wolf.)

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:42 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:41 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:05 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

Skinner mech town.

One in Otto/Krusty...more likely Krusty.

Most likely none but maybe one in: Bart, Hugh

Definitely one, likely two in:

Gramps, Grumple, Alisson

Why is Skinner mech town?

what

???

claimed tracker D1, no counterclaim

did I miss something critically important about this

Whoa man, you missed it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:38 am

Please note that because of Daylight Saving Time, Day 4 will actually end at 8:30 PM Eastern time, one hour earlier than normally scheduled. I apologize for our society's continued reliance on this practice.

This practice should stop nowadays.

Grumple's trended down for me. EOD D3 was spent slinging mud with Otto and D4 has been low energy (no actual shade from me on this, I haven't been here either). But what stood out as "eh..." to me was his answer to Bart about reads, which after the flip and NK have remained static

I could see not moving anything around too much but no change at all is Weird, and is also easily proven wrong

he isn't voting within his own POE lol

this is his D3 reads list, with top being town and bottom being scum

Allison Taylor
The Grumple
Hugh Jass
Marge Simpson
Otto Mann
Principal Skinner

Bart Simpson
Grampa Simpson
Krusty the Clown
Lisa Simpson
Mr. Burns

currently voting hugh, was voting otto earlier today

yet insists his reads are the same when asked directly

Noted how Burns and Gramps didn't read through the thread.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:49 am Noted how Burns and Gramps didn't read through the thread.

are you gaslighting me

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:52 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:49 am Noted how Burns and Gramps didn't read through the thread.

are you gaslighting me

Bold from you to assume i know what gaslighting means but anyway i am positive you missed some things in Skinner's Iso. And that for me means you didn't read the thread with attention.
Are you sure my intention is to gaslight you? Wanna go in that direction?

I have some RL things to do i will be back later

Though idk what to do with Gramps reaction

[VOTE: Gramps ] aubergine

What a beautiful wagon formation

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:57 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:52 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:49 am Noted how Burns and Gramps didn't read through the thread.

are you gaslighting me

Bold from you to assume i know what gaslighting means but anyway i am positive you missed some things in Skinner's Iso. And that for me means you didn't read the thread with attention.
Are you sure my intention is to gaslight you? Wanna go in that direction?

haven't read super closely today due to not being here, but my last memory of Skinner is him trying to rescind the tracker claim, Otto trying to trap him, and Skinner reaffirming the track results on Otto

is there something else that's happened since then that casts in serious doubt Skinner is clear?

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:05 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:57 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:52 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:49 am Noted how Burns and Gramps didn't read through the thread.

are you gaslighting me

Bold from you to assume i know what gaslighting means but anyway i am positive you missed some things in Skinner's Iso. And that for me means you didn't read the thread with attention.
Are you sure my intention is to gaslight you? Wanna go in that direction?

haven't read super closely today due to not being here, but my last memory of Skinner is him trying to rescind the tracker claim, Otto trying to trap him, and Skinner reaffirming the track results on Otto

is there something else that's happened since then that casts in serious doubt Skinner is clear?

k you made me paranoid enough to go check Skinner's ISO

nothing except exactly what I just recalled

what are you going on about, dude

lol and you vote me for it

alright

there is nothing I can say about Krusty that everyone else hasn't already said today, and I'm not going to paraphrase just to appear like I'm contributing something new on that front

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:41 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:05 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:36 am So from everyone i pinged only Alison wanted to share reads, and Hugh promised to do them later, i wonder what stops you to share your reads, everyone else?

If you did this already and i missed, can you link your presvious reads post? Thanks

Skinner mech town.

One in Otto/Krusty...more likely Krusty.

Most likely none but maybe one in: Bart, Hugh

Definitely one, likely two in:

Gramps, Grumple, Alisson

Why is Skinner mech town?

Your associatives gave me a headache, how do you plan to find a wolf like this?

Well, if Skinner claimed tracker to get off the block day one and there is a real tracker somewhere that just let wolf Skinner make that claim uncountered for going on a fourth day...I lose and hard blame that tracker.

As for the plan...I figure to shoot in the Otto/Krusty pair because if there isn't a wolf in there I'm just dead in the water...but I'm more sure of that than I am of anything in this cluster of a game. On the good side I think once I know which of them is a wolf I can unravel their pack pretty cleanly...like if it is Otto I know exactly where to go from there...if it is Krusty it's a little more complicated but not terrible.

What have YOU got?

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:07 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:05 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:57 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:52 am

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:49 am Noted how Burns and Gramps didn't read through the thread.

are you gaslighting me

Bold from you to assume i know what gaslighting means but anyway i am positive you missed some things in Skinner's Iso. And that for me means you didn't read the thread with attention.
Are you sure my intention is to gaslight you? Wanna go in that direction?

haven't read super closely today due to not being here, but my last memory of Skinner is him trying to rescind the tracker claim, Otto trying to trap him, and Skinner reaffirming the track results on Otto

is there something else that's happened since then that casts in serious doubt Skinner is clear?

k you made me paranoid enough to go check Skinner's ISO

nothing except exactly what I just recalled

what are you going on about, dude

Quote please the evidence for what you recalled, i assumeed you have TMI on that slot and this is why i am voting you.

I want to say my read on Principal Skinner is villager independent of that claim, so the mech thing from 2 parts scared me

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:28 am Glad I'm not the only one who felt like Allison was trying to pull conversation off Krusty and put it on me.

Yeah, your scum buds agree with you

Skinner & Otto look like wolves. Otto has been largely TR until now, & Skinner is the supposed tracker. Neither of whom has been worthy of an MK, which is weird cuz largely TR players & special claims should be Mafia fodder for sure.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:34 am Skinner & Otto look like wolves. Otto has been largely TR until now, & Skinner is the supposed tracker. Neither of whom has been worthy of an MK, which is weird cuz largely TR players & special claims should be Mafia fodder for sure.

your vote is on Hugh, i presume has he a bigger scum equity for you than Skinner and Otto? Why?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:38 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:07 am

k you made me paranoid enough to go check Skinner's ISO

nothing except exactly what I just recalled

what are you going on about, dude

Quote please the evidence for what you recalled, i assumeed you have TMI on that slot and this is why i am voting you.

ok

claim

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:14 pm im the tracker dont lynch me

track

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:45 am

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:20 pm Deets on the track @Principal Skinner

you my good sir did not visit anyone

slot rescind attempt

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

I don't know why this question exists. I'm as vanilla as they come.

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:54 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:53 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

I don't know why this question exists. I'm as vanilla as they come.

So you rescind your slot's claim?

I don't read slot's claim.

What did slots claim?

Can slots claim?

Otto's trap and Skinner's reaffirmation

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:57 pm

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:55 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:54 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:53 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:59 pm Did ever Skinner reveal result today?

Were you expecting something from me?

I don't know why this question exists. I'm as vanilla as they come.

So you rescind your slot's claim?

I don't read slot's claim.

What did slots claim?

Can slots claim?

Your predecessor claimed doc

Then how'd I know you targeted no one? Docs don't do that.

Vote Krusty.

you even engaged with Skinner during this, so I'm not going to spend any more time on it

if you want to seriously case Skinner as a fake tracker, by all means

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:09 am if you want to seriously case Skinner as a fake tracker, by all means

nah don't wanna

Back like we never left

I have a little bit more energy today so that's noice

Grumple and Burns are the only non-voters so far. Someone give me a hot take

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:46 am

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:34 am Skinner & Otto look like wolves. Otto has been largely TR until now, & Skinner is the supposed tracker. Neither of whom has been worthy of an MK, which is weird cuz largely TR players & special claims should be Mafia fodder for sure.

your vote is on Hugh, i presume has he a bigger scum equity for you than Skinner and Otto? Why?

I'm gonna be switching, I said as much earlier this RD

Burns uncertainty here feels fake to me. He isn't actually engaging people's thoughts and entertaining them to like enlighten himself and solve th game. He's rebuffing cases and thoughts doesn't align with that at all, comes off as someone trying to stay in control of the narrative and doesn't want people to reach conclusions just yet. He wants to guide them there after figuring out where everything stands and paving out a way for him to win. Does that make sense lol?

Otto's main argument against me is that I've voted for 3 TP wagons, and that I'm not that off the mark usually.




Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Otto voted for 2 green flips? What about his vote last RD? If he's so sure that his vote for last RD was on a wolf, then why isn't he voting there now?



At best Otto is a total hypocrite, or more likely he's scum.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:36 am Grumple and Burns are the only non-voters so far. Someone give me a hot take

Burns away from the thread so much time is nagl -

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:44 am Burns uncertainty here feels fake to me. He isn't actually engaging people's thoughts and entertaining them to like enlighten himself and solve th game. He's rebuffing cases and thoughts doesn't align with that at all, comes off as someone trying to stay in control of the narrative and doesn't want people to reach conclusions just yet. He wants to guide them there after figuring out where everything stands and paving out a way for him to win. Does that make sense lol?

it took me a while to find the gif, but i see we had a mindmeld

A PoE of Burns, Otto +1 looks tempting atm

Otto's probably one of the weirdest TR I've had in a minute. I don't really remember much of what he said after one phase each time nor have we rea the game the same way, there also hasn't been some strong cues where I go "that's a town thought" since like D1. I had more of those with fucking Comic Book Guy lmao. Even without these I haven't actually suspected him. He just feels so smooooth, all of his posts come off naturally and it just feels genuine. He's just playing his own game and I just don't see an agenda behind any of the angle he's pushed.

Think the clashes he's had so far this phase reflects good on him. He feels isolated and unique in his thoughts.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:59 am Lemme guess Skinner, your next move is "Burns must be Allison's packmate since she must be Krusty's packmate, so let's chop Burns."

I just think preflip associations are cards to build a house from. If you think w!Allison was protecting w!Krusty doesn't flipping Krusty seem like the move?

Exactly.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:47 am Grumple's trended down for me. EOD D3 was spent slinging mud with Otto and D4 has been low energy (no actual shade from me on this, I haven't been here either). But what stood out as "eh..." to me was his answer to Bart about reads, which after the flip and NK have remained static

I could see not moving anything around too much but no change at all is Weird, and is also easily proven wrong

he isn't voting within his own POE lol

this is his D3 reads list, with top being town and bottom being scum

Allison Taylor
The Grumple
Hugh Jass
Marge Simpson
Otto Mann
Principal Skinner

Bart Simpson
Grampa Simpson
Krusty the Clown
Lisa Simpson
Mr. Burns

currently voting hugh, was voting otto earlier today

yet insists his reads are the same when asked directly

Grumple hasn't voted though?

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:34 am Skinner & Otto look like wolves. Otto has been largely TR until now, & Skinner is the supposed tracker. Neither of whom has been worthy of an MK, which is weird cuz largely TR players & special claims should be Mafia fodder for sure.

Why do you reckon the real tracker hasn't CC'd yet?

It's D4 move on

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:50 am Otto's probably one of the weirdest TR I've had in a minute. I don't really remember much of what he said after one phase each time nor have we rea the game the same way, there also hasn't been some strong cues where I go "that's a town thought" since like D1. I had more of those with fucking Comic Book Guy lmao. Even without these I haven't actually suspected him. He just feels so smooooth, all of his posts come off naturally and it just feels genuine. He's just playing his own game and I just don't see an agenda behind any of the angle he's pushed.

Think the clashes he's had so far this phase reflects good on him. He feels isolated and unique in his thoughts.

That's cuz he's meta reading me, and since he's the only one who knows me, he's uniquely qualified. Brilliant Otto & Hugh, tone reading champs....riiiiiiiight.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:54 am

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:34 am Skinner & Otto look like wolves. Otto has been largely TR until now, & Skinner is the supposed tracker. Neither of whom has been worthy of an MK, which is weird cuz largely TR players & special claims should be Mafia fodder for sure.

Why do you reckon the real tracker hasn't CC'd yet?

Beats me. Why do you reckon the Maf haven't touched the tracker? Or any of the largely town read players?