The Syndicate

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MovingPictures07 wrote:Fuck, that's exactly what I was thinking might happen. RIP Devin, you were a blast to play with finally; after hosting you too many times without getting to play alongside you, it was fun. You will be sorely missed, especially since your death confirms to me that you were very likely civvie.

DFaraday, why has Matt F pinged you?

And that's awfully funny for you to say, BDH, considering you've said hardly anything except for the fact that I am apparently the baddiest of them all. What are your current thoughts then; who are you eyeballing?

Interesting observation on Lizzy... she could be Trogdor. I would especially love to catch Trogdor or a Blue Laser today, but any baddie will do, frankly.

thellama73 wrote:My instinct is that there has been so much arguing among the more active players that the baddies have been lurking among the low posters. I'll be doing a few rereads today.

I agree completely.

I look forward to your re-reads.

I want to do a few myself... but I will be occupied for quite a while. If I get around to anything, I'll be sure to post my analyses.

I still think you are a baddies movingpictures but apparently nobody else does so why should I bother anymore?

While I may have been singularly focused, at least I've been a participatory player, which is what I was calling Dfaraday out for (now who's trying to twist my words movingpictures?). I'm going over those who have been largely silent and those who voted for Hedgeowl (hmmmm....didnt Movingpictures vote this way?) to look for other suspects today.

^In all fairness MP HAD to vote Owl to save himself.

Snow Dog wrote:^In all fairness MP HAD to vote Owl to save himself.

This makes no sense. Movingpictures only had 3 votes and Hedgeowl had 6. A couple other people I believe had 5 so MOvingpictures vote could've been used to vote anyone else. I don't see how he was in any danger of being lynched.

MP as you suggested, I did a complete re-read of BDH today - twice. I even took the time to summarize each post he made. I found him to be articulate and able to talk specifics about his suspicions of MP and oddly for me, I had had the exact same thoughts on most of what he said. (Not to get off on the subject of me but my suspicions have largely gone away by your turn around on llama MP.) In my opinion his arguments were logical and he has been consistent.

As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

BigDamnHero wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:^In all fairness MP HAD to vote Owl to save himself.

This makes no sense. Movingpictures only had 3 votes and Hedgeowl had 6. A couple other people I believe had 5 so MOvingpictures vote could've been used to vote anyone else. I don't see how he was in any danger of being lynched.

Huh. Now that's interesting. Still happy with my vote, but I'd like to see Snowdog's response to this.

I'd also like to know what MP thinks about Snowdog defending him in the thread with false information.

Such unprecedented good karma that Llama's xylophone's vestibular mouthpiece continues quickly percolating inside yellow jumpsuits, any other night he'd really be damned eight ways from zero!

Gleam, are you insanified, or do I just not understand what you're saying?

Nah, he always talks like that on Wednesdays.

ture

also, please don't vote Lizzy . . . or else.

Well, it might be important to know if that's a posting restriction or not, but it could be some kind of in joke between friends, and I just don't get it.

Vompatti wrote:ture

also, please don't vote Lizzy . . . or else.

I wish I had seen this earlier!!

Mata - I get the impression that many players here, whether good or bad, are extremely zany. Note to the abundance of players who have said things such as "Yeah I'm bad vote for me". Hahaha.

IMO, though it's tough to read these players, it's a nice change of pace from the all out seriousness of other games I've played (oh, and also, I am aware that I am one of the more "serious" posters).

Matt F wrote:Mata - I get the impression that many players here, whether good or bad, are extremely zany. Note to the abundance of players who have said things such as "Yeah I'm bad vote for me". Hahaha.

IMO, though it's tough to read these players, it's a nice change of pace from the all out seriousness of other games I've played (oh, and also, I am aware that I am one of the more "serious" posters).

Agreed, but that's why I'd like to hear straight from gleam whether he's insanified or not. I mean, if he isn't, and it was just zaniness, then he could say "hey I'm not under a posting restriction. I was just joking around...."

He was here for awhile after I asked him, but he never responded. I'd like to not cast an eyeball his way if possible.

It's not in OT green which to me says its part of the game but I really don't want to waste my time if he just forgot to make it green.

Matahari wrote:

Matt F wrote:Mata - I get the impression that many players here, whether good or bad, are extremely zany. Note to the abundance of players who have said things such as "Yeah I'm bad vote for me". Hahaha.

IMO, though it's tough to read these players, it's a nice change of pace from the all out seriousness of other games I've played (oh, and also, I am aware that I am one of the more "serious" posters).

Agreed, but that's why I'd like to hear straight from gleam whether he's insanified or not. I mean, if he isn't, and it was just zaniness, then he could say "hey I'm not under a posting restriction. I was just joking around...."

He was here for awhile after I asked him, but he never responded. I'd like to not cast an eyeball his way if possible.

I'm almost certain he has been insanified. If not, he should write more of that stuff for Nervous Horse.

Matahari wrote:

Matt F wrote:Mata - I get the impression that many players here, whether good or bad, are extremely zany. Note to the abundance of players who have said things such as "Yeah I'm bad vote for me". Hahaha.

IMO, though it's tough to read these players, it's a nice change of pace from the all out seriousness of other games I've played (oh, and also, I am aware that I am one of the more "serious" posters).

Agreed, but that's why I'd like to hear straight from gleam whether he's insanified or not. I mean, if he isn't, and it was just zaniness, then he could say "hey I'm not under a posting restriction. I was just joking around...."

He was here for awhile after I asked him, but he never responded. I'd like to not cast an eyeball his way if possible.

No, I hear ya. It'd be nice to know either way. I couldn't make it out either, but it sounds like Gleam thinks Llama should be dead by now? I dunno.

Matahari wrote:

Matt F wrote:Mata - I get the impression that many players here, whether good or bad, are extremely zany. Note to the abundance of players who have said things such as "Yeah I'm bad vote for me". Hahaha.

IMO, though it's tough to read these players, it's a nice change of pace from the all out seriousness of other games I've played (oh, and also, I am aware that I am one of the more "serious" posters).

Agreed, but that's why I'd like to hear straight from gleam whether he's insanified or not. I mean, if he isn't, and it was just zaniness, then he could say "hey I'm not under a posting restriction. I was just joking around...."

He was here for awhile after I asked him, but he never responded. I'd like to not cast an eyeball his way if possible.

mata, it just occurred to me he probably can't tell us if he is. He probably isn't allowed to.

JC, he can post though. If he isn't insanified, then he can say so. If he is, we could probably tell.

And yes, I get that it doesn't necessarily mean a player is a cheerleader if they have some kind of posting restriction. There could be other things going on, but it would be something worth knowing.

Matahari wrote:JC, he can post though. If he isn't insanified, then he can say so. If he is, we could probably tell.

And yes, I get that it doesn't necessarily mean a player is a cheerleader if they have some kind of posting restriction. There could be other things going on, but it would be something worth knowing.

Um...huh?

Looking at the roles, it's What's Her Face that is given a posting restriction if she protects a teammate the night before, and What's Her Face was Elo.

All kinds of confused right now.

Matt F wrote:

Matahari wrote:JC, he can post though. If he isn't insanified, then he can say so. If he is, we could probably tell.

And yes, I get that it doesn't necessarily mean a player is a cheerleader if they have some kind of posting restriction. There could be other things going on, but it would be something worth knowing.

Um...huh?

Looking at the roles, it's What's Her Face that is given a posting restriction if she protects a teammate the night before, and What's Her Face was Elo.

All kinds of confused right now.

Haha, evidently I am more confused than you. Just call me Emily Letella!

RIP Devin! I was afraid that was going to happen. Good luck with work, your wedding, and any other upcoming endeavors, man! I'll let you know if I hear about anything related to Devy for sure!

juliets wrote: As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

Just wanted to comment on this really quickly. I can understand this train of thought certainly. But I haven't seen enough from BDH yet to make me think he isn't a baddie.

Matt's theory on Lizzy is very interesting. Couple that with the fact that I am getting a different feel from her this game and I think it's enough to keep an eye on her. Lizzy, is there anyone you are currently suspicious of? I wouldn't mind hearing more from you about where you currently stand.

I think that's it for now. Going to check and make sure I didn't miss anything.

Oh yeah! I almost forgot to mention that I'm pretty sure gleam is insanified. I talk to him fairly often in IRC and I would not expect something like that from him.

Vompatti wrote:ture

also, please don't vote Lizzy . . . or else.

Also, I'm pretty sure kevin is insanified, but I can't dismiss the idea that he might find it funny to randomly pretend to be (because it kind of is).

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Matt's theory on Lizzy is very interesting.

Granted, I have probably used up the thread's goodwill after my theory on Llama, Dom, and JC, but note that this isn't conversations taking place in my head

Lizzy out of town, didn't post between Day 3 and Day 4, Trogdor didn't send in a PM (sure, I could be lying about the whole night protect thing, but I'd have to be pretty bold to do that!), Lizzy having two suspects - DP and Llama, one of which she is not interested in voting for and the other I believe to be civvie.

I dunno, it works in my head. Derp.

Linki

Matt F wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Matt's theory on Lizzy is very interesting.

Granted, I have probably used up the thread's goodwill after my theory on Llama, Dom, and JC, but note that this isn't conversations taking place in my head

Lizzy out of town, didn't post between Day 3 and Day 4, Trogdor didn't send in a PM (sure, I could be lying about the whole night protect thing, but I'd have to be pretty bold to do that!), Lizzy having two suspects - DP and Llama, one of which she is not interested in voting for and the other I believe to be civvie.

I dunno, it works in my head. Derp.

Linki

I'm not saying I do or don't believe you. I'm just saying it's interesting and, IMO, worth keeping track of. I'm not going to condemn Lizzy as Trogdor yet though.

I quoted you, BWT, but was addressing the thread with that last post. Feel free to condemn whoever you wish!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:RIP Devin! I was afraid that was going to happen. Good luck with work, your wedding, and any other upcoming endeavors, man! I'll let you know if I hear about anything related to Devy for sure!

juliets wrote: As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

Just wanted to comment on this really quickly. I can understand this train of thought certainly. But I haven't seen enough from BDH yet to make me think he isn't a baddie.

Matt's theory on Lizzy is very interesting. Couple that with the fact that I am getting a different feel from her this game and I think it's enough to keep an eye on her. Lizzy, is there anyone you are currently suspicious of? I wouldn't mind hearing more from you about where you currently stand.

I think that's it for now. Going to check and make sure I didn't miss anything.

I agree with you that the theory on lizzy is interesting.

While you say there's nothing from bdh that makes you think he isn't a civ is an interesting approach to take on a first time player. Why do you lean more automatically to "I've not seen anything that makes me think he isn't a baddie." I admit - he has some natural skill is there some reason you're wanting him to prove his civness? Something you see as bad? Did I miss something somewhere?

Also - re: gleam - is there a role that actually insanfies? I admit - I'm entertaining company and multitasking several things I have to cook soon so going back and looking is rough for me.

also- I'm quickly reaching the point where my drinking tells me it's time to step away from the intrawebs.


all kinds of linki - posting anyway.

I am very tempted to vote Lizzy myself, but will let this thought simmer for a while. There are other discussions to be had as well. So far, I've yet to think of a hole in Matt F's theory, and honestly it seems at least pretty likely that Lizzy could be Trogdor. Has anyone thought of any reason to void this?

Thank you, juliets and bea, for your opinions on BDH. I feel he is continuing to twist everything I say and that he's hostile about it, and consequently I feel I'm having a hard time not looking at him through tainted glasses. I can't help but shake the feeling that I think he's baddie though, and I may vote him today. Not sure. I might give him the BOTD for now if I feel Lizzy or anyone else is a better choice. I would appreciate thoughts from others as well.

What do both of you think of BWT, for that matter?

I do find it interesting that juliets and bea seem to be defending BDH to some degree, bea more so... not sure if this is true, but it's the impression I got from their posts. Is this true, either of you, or no? And did anyone else get this impression? Just curious.

As to Snow Dog defending me, that was really strange. I was the first person to admit I didn't have to vote for Hedgeowl; I even had stated that I wish I had thrown off to BDH and let fate decide between AP and Hedgeowl, but I didn't do that, and here was why:

- AP and Hedgeowl each had 5 at the time I voted; I had 3; llama had 4. There were a few other players who had not voted at that last minute besides myself, and just in case one of them might have voted and could have done so for llama, I didn't want there to be any chance llama could die over two of those, so I felt obligated to pick one or the other.
- Consequently, I picked Hedgeowl because I believed to foresee at least some set of circumstances where she was Elo's teammate; however likely that was to be, I had no idea. I honestly was thinking Mongoose seemed more likely to be a Elo teammate, but no one seemed to agree with me, and by the time of my vote some of those feelings had sort of faded in intensity anyway; especially given Mongoose has only pinged me with one post (and in addition to point 1 above), I felt it unnecessary to give her my vote. Additionally, I could not tell (and still can't, really) on AP one way or the other, so I thought I'd give my vote to the player I felt was more likely to be baddie of the two. Hedgeowl was certainly not the player I was most suspicious of, but I did think she could have been bad. It was unfortunate that she wasn't.

Given that, I find Snow Dog's defense of me to be unnecessary and it honestly pings me a bit.

BigDamnHero wrote:
I still think you are a baddies movingpictures but apparently nobody else does so why should I bother anymore?

While I may have been singularly focused, at least I've been a participatory player, which is what I was calling Dfaraday out for (now who's trying to twist my words movingpictures?). I'm going over those who have been largely silent and those who voted for Hedgeowl (hmmmm....didnt Movingpictures vote this way?) to look for other suspects today.

If you still think I am a baddie, why would you stop pursuing it just because "nobody else does"? Also, I received three votes yesterday. That hardly equates to nobody.

What do you mean "may have been"? I still don't see a single other name you have actually mentioned as suspicious. Now if you were calling out DF as suspicious, could you clarify? Just because someone may call someone out doesn't necessarily mean they think that person is suspicious, so I'm curious if you think DF might be bad, and if so, why.

As to twisting of words, I'm not twisting your words, and I'm bothered by the insinuation that you think I am doing so. Can you not understand how I have been interpreting your posts at times to be twisting my words? You're spinning around everything I say and giving it a bad intention. If you are a civvie, consider the idea that I am playing a civvie game. Your tenacity is a bit irksome, regardless of whether it's directed at me or not.

Please let me know what you find after you go over silent and Hedgeowl voters, or whoever else you plan on looking at as well. I look forward to reading your thoughts.

A Person, what are your thoughts?

bea wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:RIP Devin! I was afraid that was going to happen. Good luck with work, your wedding, and any other upcoming endeavors, man! I'll let you know if I hear about anything related to Devy for sure!

juliets wrote: As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

Just wanted to comment on this really quickly. I can understand this train of thought certainly. But I haven't seen enough from BDH yet to make me think he isn't a baddie.

Matt's theory on Lizzy is very interesting. Couple that with the fact that I am getting a different feel from her this game and I think it's enough to keep an eye on her. Lizzy, is there anyone you are currently suspicious of? I wouldn't mind hearing more from you about where you currently stand.

I think that's it for now. Going to check and make sure I didn't miss anything.

I agree with you that the theory on lizzy is interesting.

While you say there's nothing from bdh that makes you think he isn't a civ is an interesting approach to take on a first time player. Why do you lean more automatically to "I've not seen anything that makes me think he isn't a baddie." I admit - he has some natural skill is there some reason you're wanting him to prove his civness? Something you see as bad? Did I miss something somewhere?

There was one quote in particular that I quoted of his. He deliberately twisted some of MP's words to use against him. And the way he did it makes me think he could be bad.

I'll try to find the quote, but I would recommend looking for it yourself. I can't remember for sure how far back it was, and I might skim right by it in the myriad of posts from Day 3.

Thanks for your thoughts on Snowdog, MP. And as one of two people in the game who can see I'm not making up about the night protect, I appreciate your thoughts on my theory, as well!

Right now, my friends are making me go out and be social, so I'll be back in a few hours.

juliets wrote:MP as you suggested, I did a complete re-read of BDH today - twice. I even took the time to summarize each post he made. I found him to be articulate and able to talk specifics about his suspicions of MP and oddly for me, I had had the exact same thoughts on most of what he said. (Not to get off on the subject of me but my suspicions have largely gone away by your turn around on llama MP.) In my opinion his arguments were logical and he has been consistent.

As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

I completely agree with this. Not seeing where the suspicion of BDH is coming from, and frankly I still think there's a reasonable chance that MP is bad. He would have had to about face on me regardless of his affiliation.

bwt, I will look at the quote you're talking about. I'm sure i can find it.

I am not insanified.

RIP Devin, if you were a civ you sure as hell weren't acting like one, in my opinion. I still have you pegged as a baddie. Maybe Teen Gril Squad will be down another member...

I don't know who to suspect at this point, nor do I know what to make of the other theories that have arisen since then. It's been a very busy few days for me with moving to a new house.

My suspicions of Llama have not changed, but I haven't seen anything he has done since then either.

MovingPictures07 wrote:A Person, what are your thoughts?

As far as current discussion goes, I'm not getting a baddie vibe from Lizzy. I would agree she seems different lately, but she seems slightly different every game. I assume part of it because she has been sick/away lately and hasn't had the time/energy to devote to the game like she has in previous ones, but otherwise I don't feel like her style is any different. I also don't think she'd play the same card twice and be purposely transparent again so soon.
I was wondering about whether or not post frequency meant anything, if it does it would be hard to tell at this point due to the sheer amount of posts already. I'm leaning towards it meaning nothing, though.
As far as current events go, I'm mostly confused. It is strange that Trogdor didn't kill and Kevin being insanified (?) at once, despite neither thing happening before in this game. Kevin's post about associating Alan with Trogdor is interesting, but I think I'd need to see how it plays out now that Alan's alive again. Otherwise, I don't have any suspicions/theories at this moment. I've felt strange about you and Llama all game due to the high number of posts, but again that's only a feeling and nothing concrete. I've felt many people were a bit strange in this game. Must be all the soy sauce I've been drinking.

Kooby isn't insanified, I guess.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:MP as you suggested, I did a complete re-read of BDH today - twice. I even took the time to summarize each post he made. I found him to be articulate and able to talk specifics about his suspicions of MP and oddly for me, I had had the exact same thoughts on most of what he said. (Not to get off on the subject of me but my suspicions have largely gone away by your turn around on llama MP.) In my opinion his arguments were logical and he has been consistent.

As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

I completely agree with this. Not seeing where the suspicion of BDH is coming from, and frankly I still think there's a reasonable chance that MP is bad. He would have had to about face on me regardless of his affiliation.

So even after what happened toward the second half of Day 3.....you still think there's a good chance MP is bad? What did you see that made you have another change of heart?

Still looking for that quote btw.

Rereads on low posters:
DFaraday: Not much there, but I don't see anything that pings me.
agleaminranks: This post caught my eye.
[quot="agleaminranks"]
What most concerns me is the behind-the-scenes information regarding the first poll. Frankly, given the small number of allegiances, I find it unlikely that there would have been anyone who would not have received some sort of information regarding a possible additional result from the Day 1 poll, either beneficial or detrimental, as some people have indicated. I myself also received information on a certain location. It feels to me like the small number of locales available would have to have some sort of impact on every faction involved.

I'm of the suspicion that Alex received background information, and had a similar deduction to this, putting out feelers just to see who responded and who didn't with that sort of information. Anyone who answered truthfully given my suspicions are correct don't really raise any red flags in my eye, as all that confirms for me is that they are indeed possibly good or bad. Anonymous as they started out. I'm more suspicious of the people who claimed to have no background information whatsoever, for the reasons I've mentioned above. Hence, I must cast an early vote for the one I noticed being most adamant about their ignorance: Vomps.[/quote]

Gleam is the third person to admit having info on the poll, and he believes every faction received info. I think Snow Dog and Bullzeye are probably civ, so this would either mean he would be the third civ with info (seems unlikely) or from a different faction.

Timmer: He has barely been around at all, but he spent a long time defending me, then flipped around and voted for me without much explanation. Possibly saw a chance to get a civ out of the way by bandwagoning. Possibly not. It's so hard to read people who don't post.

Captain Bunny Killer: In normal circumstances I would say she sounds blendy and unhelpful. Popping in now and then with some non-committal, superficial analysis. But Daisy's clarification of her situation makes me think she isn't bad. I don't think Daisy would intentionally hint about the alignment of a player, but if I were hosting and a baddie was getting attention for their play style, I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to give out RL info that I knew would deflect that attention.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: So even after what happened toward the second half of Day 3.....you still think there's a good chance MP is bad? What did you see that made you have another change of heart?

What change of heart are you talking about? I never let go of the idea that MP could be bad. Him suddenly letting go of his suspicion of me means nothing with respect to his affiliation.

BWT, I know exactly which one you're talking about. I felt there was one in particular where he was doing just that; it was the one you commented on. There have been a few other posts of his that really make me feel he is just twisting my words to get a reaction or something. I don't know. I suppose he could be genuine... if so, he needs to learn to take a step back once and a while (yes, I should listen to my own advice).

Llama, wait until BWT pulls up that quote and let me know if you think he's nefariously twisting my words. Hell, maybe I'm wrong about him. I doubt I'll vote him today since that's really all I have right now, but he's still pinging me as a very possible baddie.

No problem, Matt F. I am curious to see if anyone finds any reason to debunk your theory because it seems to me Trogdor missed his/her night PM last night for sure.

Thanks for the thoughts, AP.

Gleam, curious to hear your thoughts when you get the chance. Why have your suspicions of llama not changed; why do you think he is bad?

Llama, nice low posters analysis, that is great. I have to admit I am a bit curious of that post of Gleam's myself. I too was pinged by timmer's vote yesterday; hopefully he can explain it. CBK I honestly have no read on. What do you think of S~V~S and Mata, out of curiosity?

I have to finish up some studying and then it's bed time for me. I'll be back at lunch tomorrow and maybe very briefly in the morning. I will likely have to vote tomorrow night because I'll be out of town at a conference all day on Friday.

I'll wait for BWT to bring up the post to answer any more questions about BDH.

Alright, I'm having trouble finding it. If JC or MP wish to help me look for it, I'm going to take one more look tonight. If I can't find it this time, I'll try again tomorrow.

Linki: Did you happen to see it yet or not?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright, I'm having trouble finding it. If JC or MP wish to help me look for it, I'm going to take one more look tonight. If I can't find it this time, I'll try again tomorrow.

Linki: Did you happen to see it yet or not?

I haven't found it yet but tell me this: can you remember the subject matter? And do you remember whether MP said at the time that BDH was twisting his words?

Nevermind. It was part of a bigger post from me. Maybe that's why I had trouble finding it. But here it is:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So what if they haven't or wouldn't? I am merely speculating. What good are the civvies to each other if they don't communicate and speculate? I never outed any player once, ever, and I never proclaimed my opinions to be fact. The baddies can do what they want. Lest you forget, there are also civvies that can protect other players in this game.

You still have not exactly told me why you find me to be such a baddie. Can you seriously not think of any civvie explanation for my behavior or are you just THAT narrow-minded? You realize there are 20something other players playing this game and yet you refuse to actually suspect any of them except for me, now for three days straight?

Besides, you play your way. I play mine. And that makes me a baddie? Before you try and argue that I am declaring you to be a baddie, think again. You have already voted. I have not. Additionally, that is not the reason I find you bad.

I am orchestrating against llama? That is rich. I am the one actually attempting to throw out discussion on a wide variety of topics, and I even stated in my post I wasn't even sure I would be voting for llama. I had other discussion points. What do you have? Just MP, MP, and MP. Someone in your BTSC must have told you how easy it was to get me lynched.

That third paragraph is a pretty good example of why I find you to be a baddie. You make the supposition that you haven't declared me to be a baddie, and then just one sentence removed from that you say that you DO suspect me to be a bad guy. All of your posts this entire game have been filled with such wishy-washy, flip-flopping comments from you. I don't see any reason behind it other than as a potential failsafe in the event that one of your many far-stretching theories blows-up in your face you have something to go back to stating you were never fully commited to the idea.

I'm not sure what BSTC is but the only person I've been talking to is Daisy and I can say with the uttmost confidence and certainty that she is neither a civilian or a bad guy!

I wanted to cut this down, but I think the full quote is better.

You are intentionally misinterpreting what MP is saying. He said it is a different REASON as to why he finds you bad. So he was saying in that third paragraph that he still finds you bad.

I'm starting to feel you're twisting words that MP is using against you. He's not cleared yet by any means in my book, but I think you've made your way up there in terms of players I will be looking at today.

And in case anyone is keeping a running tally (:P), I am currently looking at A Person, llama, Devin, and BDH. I'm thinking there is a baddie among 1 of those 4. Possibly 2 depending on if certain people have certain roles I'm thinking of.

Linki w/ llama: Alright, thanks for the explanation.

I'm still looking at you today however.

I would not mind hearing other's opinions about this, in particular JC and llama. And unlike a lot of other ideas and speculations in this game, this is something that is far more concrete. Do others think I'm right in that BDH is twisting words to meet his case, or do any of you think I'm way off here?

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do you think of S~V~S and Mata, out of curiosity?

Mata reads fairly civvie, and she voted for Elohcin, so I would say thta at the very least she is not a member of the Girl Squad.

If SVS is a baddie, she's doing an amazing job of it, because she has seemed helpful and inquisitive in the extreme since subbing in. True, she was one of the main campaigners against Hedgeowl, but I thought Hedgeowl's posts looked pretty shifty too when I read them all at once, so I can't really blame her for a mistake I myself made.

linki: I don't know, BWT. I remember when that was posted and you and MP making a big deal out of the word twisting, but I'm afraid it just didn't strike me that way. Granted, that may have been due to the fact that I myself was being heavily accused of twisting MP's words at the time.

I think BDH has has a lazor focus this game. I don't think that makes him bad. (he's not the only person this game to make that mistake)

I wish he would widen his scope some and look at other people as well, but I can't fault him for thinking he's onto something.

I've been completely sure I was right more than once. Only to find out I was wrong. I still read him as civ. Maybe misguided but still civ..

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do you think of S~V~S and Mata, out of curiosity?

Mata reads fairly civvie, and she voted for Elohcin, so I would say thta at the very least she is not a member of the Girl Squad.

If SVS is a baddie, she's doing an amazing job of it, because she has seemed helpful and inquisitive in the extreme since subbing in. True, she was one of the main campaigners against Hedgeowl, but I thought Hedgeowl's posts looked pretty shifty too when I read them all at once, so I can't really blame her for a mistake I myself made.

linki: I don't know, BWT. I remember when that was posted and you and MP making a big deal out of the word twisting, but I'm afraid it just didn't strike me that way. Granted, that may have been due to the fact that I myself was being heavily accused of twisting MP's words at the time.

svs is always hard for me to read. I always want her to be a civ with me. I tend to never catch she is bad till it is far too late for me.

bwt I will get right on it in the morning

MovingPictures07 wrote: Also, If we were both baddies, it sure would benefit us to bring so much attention to ourselves, right? Not.

I'm sorry, MP, but I found this very interesting. You're dismissing baddies on separate teams that could go after each other. I don't think that's what civvie MP would do at all.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, thanks Daisy! That answers that then.

I did think it was weird Bullz died Night 1 because only three players picked that particular hut. I have considered if there was anything to gleam (pun intended) from that information, but I don't think anything conclusive can be drawn.

Also, regarding llama, I am considering still that I am being played... but I don't feel there's any reason for me to believe so. I will wholeheartedly not support a llama lynch tomorrow.

I need to mull on things and see which players should be analyzed because we definitely need to look elsewhere in addition to BDH, Vomps, A Person, et al.

Interesting that you and Llama have both, simultaneously decided to back off each other....

And you oth want everyone to look at anyone else.

thellama73 wrote:My instinct is that there has been so much arguing among the more active players that the baddies have been lurking among the low posters. I'll be doing a few rereads today.

Very interesting indeed. Very interesting that yesterday, both of you were making a big to-do about one of you definitely dying that day, but that didn't happen. In fact, it wasn't even close.

Just very interesting indeed.

BigDamnHero wrote:
I still think you are a baddies movingpictures but apparently nobody else does so why should I bother anymore?

You are NOT alone.


Also, I think Lizzy and Snow Dog have earned themselves an eye for their actions...