The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:04 pm I also don't want to discourage anyone from actively participating, but I do feel like the way Wilgy is fighting so hard right now makes me think more of scum than town. Wilgy doesn't like being scum much I don't think, but he takes his duty to his team pretty seriously. Having some heat on him here has lit a fire under him that I usually don't see when town!Wilgy gets suspected.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:06 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:04 pm I also don't want to discourage anyone from actively participating, but I do feel like the way Wilgy is fighting so hard right now makes me think more of scum than town. Wilgy doesn't like being scum much I don't think, but he takes his duty to his team pretty seriously. Having some heat on him here has lit a fire under him that I usually don't see when town!Wilgy gets suspected.

I'm a fan of his solving energy atm, so I'm inclined to TR his slot.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:04 pm I also don't want to discourage anyone from actively participating, but I do feel like the way Wilgy is fighting so hard right now makes me think more of scum than town. Wilgy doesn't like being scum much I don't think, but he takes his duty to his team pretty seriously. Having some heat on him here has lit a fire under him that I usually don't see when town!Wilgy gets suspected.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:17 pm {Wilgy, Rem, Pyxxy, Robyn}

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:17 pm {Wilgy, Rem, Pyxxy, Robyn}

our PoEs align so this is a good thing.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:17 pm {Wilgy, Rem, Pyxxy, Robyn}

our PoEs align so this is a good thing.

Why are you clearing Epi?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:32 pm I think Pyxxy/Robyn is a world that could make sense. Pyxxy has done a whole lot to look like they sus Robyn today without actually doing anything, and Robyn is just a big ole' ?????

Wilgy/Rem I feel are mildy anti-teamed (I wouldn't bet FX on it). I'm not sure I feel anything about any other matchups between people in those 4.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:28 pm so

everyone wants to scumlean Robyn

but nobody wants to vote Robyn, except me yesterday

Robyn spewed town by the thread, confirmed

solve remains Seanzie/Epi

early D2 (today) was theater to somewhat distance/somewhat clear Seanzie

flip me if you don't believe me

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm I mean, Robyn could be with anyone at this point, but yeah... the more I think about it, the more I don't like Pyxxy's Robyn stuff today.

Pyxxy posted a vote on Robyn with "look a distraction".

Didn't mention them again until Pyxxy put Seanzie, Epi, Robyn as PoE.

When asked "why Robyn?" their response was "why not?"

then declared Robyn spewed town by the thread.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:32 pm I think Pyxxy/Robyn is a world that could make sense. Pyxxy has done a whole lot to look like they sus Robyn today without actually doing anything, and Robyn is just a big ole' ?????

Wilgy/Rem I feel are mildy anti-teamed (I wouldn't bet FX on it). I'm not sure I feel anything about any other matchups between people in those 4.

the only people who have done less than me to sus Robyn today are

oh wait

it's the entire thread and I called you all out on it

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:28 pm so

everyone wants to scumlean Robyn

but nobody wants to vote Robyn, except me yesterday

Robyn spewed town by the thread, confirmed

solve remains Seanzie/Epi

early D2 (today) was theater to somewhat distance/somewhat clear Seanzie

flip me if you don't believe me

try again

or flip me if you don't believe me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:41 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

Robyn hasn't been a topic of discussion only because Robyn hasn't been around (and others haven't been around, so they haven't stood out as not being around).

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:41 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

Robyn hasn't been a topic of discussion only because Robyn hasn't been around (and others haven't been around, so they haven't stood out as not being around).

I disagree

I think people could have talked about Robyn, but didn't, besides me and Zenon and okay also a bit of Rem

and only now near EOD does Robyn become a topic again? when it's easiest to create fear of slankers?

I am denying that discussion. Robyn should never get chopped today.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:41 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

Robyn hasn't been a topic of discussion only because Robyn hasn't been around (and others haven't been around, so they haven't stood out as not being around).

I disagree

I think people could have talked about Robyn, but didn't, besides me and Zenon and okay also a bit of Rem

and only now near EOD does Robyn become a topic again? when it's easiest to create fear of slankers?

I am denying that discussion. Robyn should never get chopped today.

I @'ed Robyn at least twice today to bring them into the folds of discussion. They didn't come.

People could have talked about Robyn, but people talk about topics in front of them. Being afk all day is not something that deserves a shield.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:03 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.

If you flip wolf i will 100% clear Robyn based on this.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:07 pm Do you townread Robyn? @pyxxy

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:07 pm Do you townread Robyn? @pyxxy

Yes. I said that I think Robyn is spewed town by the lack of relative discussion of them today. I'm shielding them today. Tomorrow I'm happy to drop the shield and argue on merit (losing battle if they don't reappear).

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:07 pm Do you townread Robyn? @pyxxy

Yes. I said that I think Robyn is spewed town by the lack of relative discussion of them today. I'm shielding them today. Tomorrow I'm happy to drop the shield and argue on merit (losing battle if they don't reappear).

You are saying that Robyn is thread spewed because no one discussed about them?

That is not how thread spew works.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:11 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:07 pm Do you townread Robyn? @pyxxy

Yes. I said that I think Robyn is spewed town by the lack of relative discussion of them today. I'm shielding them today. Tomorrow I'm happy to drop the shield and argue on merit (losing battle if they don't reappear).

You are saying that Robyn is thread spewed because no one discussed about them?

That is not how thread spew works.

That's.....fair.

You're right. It's whatever the inverse of thread spew is. I just know of thread spew as a concept. And I think the inverse has happened today. If there's a term for it, let me know.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:16 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:11 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:07 pm Do you townread Robyn? @pyxxy

Yes. I said that I think Robyn is spewed town by the lack of relative discussion of them today. I'm shielding them today. Tomorrow I'm happy to drop the shield and argue on merit (losing battle if they don't reappear).

You are saying that Robyn is thread spewed because no one discussed about them?

That is not how thread spew works.

That's.....fair.

You're right. It's whatever the inverse of thread spew is. I just know of thread spew as a concept. And I think the inverse has happened today. If there's a term for it, let me know.

There is no such thing as the inverse.

People just forget about zero posters until they are not forgotten anymore.

I think you are shielding Robyn because you got TMI she is town

Or

You are shielding a slanker because you are a slanker yourself, if you manage to shield an slanker successfully, they might do it for you too.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:27 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:26 pm pyxxy's TMI checklist:

tutuu
cape
seanzie
wilgy
zenon WIP

@Guillotine lemme know if I missed one that you caught

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:19 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:16 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:11 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:07 pm Do you townread Robyn? @pyxxy

Yes. I said that I think Robyn is spewed town by the lack of relative discussion of them today. I'm shielding them today. Tomorrow I'm happy to drop the shield and argue on merit (losing battle if they don't reappear).

You are saying that Robyn is thread spewed because no one discussed about them?

That is not how thread spew works.

That's.....fair.

You're right. It's whatever the inverse of thread spew is. I just know of thread spew as a concept. And I think the inverse has happened today. If there's a term for it, let me know.

There is no such thing as the inverse.

People just forget about zero posters until they are not forgotten anymore.

I think you are shielding Robyn because you got TMI she is town

Or

You are shielding a slanker because you are a slanker yourself, if you manage to shield an slanker successfully, they might do it for you too.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:27 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:26 pm pyxxy's TMI checklist:

tutuu
cape
seanzie
wilgy
zenon WIP

@Guillotine lemme know if I missed one that you caught

Robyn

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:23 pm It's the list of people that you've said I've TMI'd as town.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:23 pm It's the list of people that you've said I've TMI'd as town.

So that is the list of people Seanzie pushed plus Robyn?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:23 pm It's the list of people that you've said I've TMI'd as town.

So that is the list of people Seanzie pushed plus Robyn?

It's the list of people that you think that I, pyxxy, scumdog millionaire, have TMI'd as town so far in this game.

And I had a lot of TMI'ing to catch up on after D1!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:33 pm I am not feeling super confident on the Rem wagon right now, but all other wagons are vanity wagons. I don't like this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.

1. I suggested you two could be teamed, but Robyn could be teamed with anyone at this point, which is why IMO they aren't a bad chop.

2. We have two miselims left. waiting to chop slots that aren't contributing like you're suggesting only works for so long. If we miss today and Robyn is town, that sends us to F5, which is bad.

3. The gain from a town!Robyn flip is removing a slot that is not showing signs of coming closer to being socially resolved. The detriment of not flipping Robyn is that we only have so many elims, and while Robyn is the worst offender from today, there are a lot of slots that IMO are not contributing the content required to suss out the wolves in time.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:34 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:23 pm It's the list of people that you've said I've TMI'd as town.

So that is the list of people Seanzie pushed plus Robyn?

It's the list of people that you think that I, pyxxy, scumdog millionaire, have TMI'd as town so far in this game.

And I had a lot of TMI'ing to catch up on after D1!

Ok so who are the wolves that Seanzie failed to catch on day 1 then?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:34 pm @DrWilgy @Rem @Guillotine @robyn

All of you are either voting yourself, on a vanity wagon, or not voting. This is not a good spread with only a few hours left in the day.

Can we try to consolidate? If not, I'll be moving to Rem, but I wouldn't mind a second good option.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:36 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.

1. I suggested you two could be teamed, but Robyn could be teamed with anyone at this point, which is why IMO they aren't a bad chop.

2. We have two miselims left. waiting to chop slots that aren't contributing like you're suggesting only works for so long. If we miss today and Robyn is town, that sends us to F5, which is bad.

3. The gain from a town!Robyn flip is removing a slot that is not showing signs of coming closer to being socially resolved. The detriment of not flipping Robyn is that we only have so many elims, and while Robyn is the worst offender from today, there are a lot of slots that IMO are not contributing the content required to suss out the wolves in time.

1. That's focusing entirely on all of the upside if Robyn flips scum. But you also are saying that Robyn could be with anyone. That also means that chopping Robyn clears.....no one. So how is it a good chop?

2. Wait. So in point #1, you were preflipping Robyn as scum. But in this point, you're preflipping Robyn as town?

You can only have one argument. Stick with #1 or #2. Can't have both.

3. But flipping town Robyn doesn't get us zip. Zero. Zilch. As opposed to flipping literally anyone else, myself included, where solving can be done and associations can be made tomorrow.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:41 pm Seanzie's vote is bad but at least I get it.
Rem's vote is bad and I don't get it.
Guillotine's vote is alright, but I don't think the best.
Falcon and Epi's vote is fine.
Pyx and Zenon's votes are questionable.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:34 pm @DrWilgy @Rem @Guillotine @robyn

All of you are either voting yourself, on a vanity wagon, or not voting. This is not a good spread with only a few hours left in the day.

Can we try to consolidate? If not, I'll be moving to Rem, but I wouldn't mind a second good option.

Out of Rem/Pyx/Robyn I don't think it's yet time to toss Rem on merit of Zenon (but as I stated earlier this grows weaker as it goes). Pyx is at least here doing things and I think it's similar enough to cyberpunk in vibe.

[VOTE: Robyn] aubergine

45% confidence.