The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:02 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:01 am Who was it who said that they'd take TSP as townspewed because someone must've TMI'd him?

that was gira bruv

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:32 pm i'm going to just assume at least some of the townreads on tsp are tmi on his alignment and take him as town because usually when someone is getting defended and i don't really see it that's what's going on. i just don't know who is doing it as of right now

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:03 am mac, gira

who can tell those two apart anyway

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:03 am and I've had beers I still got better memory than this dawg

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:05 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine

Sorry Robyn ily but I do think you're strategizing like a wolf rn

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:05 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine

Sorry Robyn ily but I do think you're strategizing like a wolf rn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:02 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:40 am Literally never seen any town make that read ever cuz Rondo is a total maniac and everyone has the fear. Explain the read cuz it's hecka tilting me.

my top villa read is tsp

i was asking you why you wolfread rondo, cuz i was falling for his posting

Cuz the mother fuck did some wolfy ass shit even tho he did some town shit cuz that mother fuck can't help himself

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:07 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:05 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine

Sorry Robyn ily but I do think you're strategizing like a wolf rn

Wasn't their last post at midnight EST?

(And yes, here I am up at 4. Perhaps I should move to the Aleutians)

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:08 am Although the way robyn dipped was a bit weird. Town does sometimes implode due to frustration, but the way robyn handled it felt like it came out of nowhere.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:45 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:44 am Is it time to tell you why I was entertaining Robyn and voting Bereft? Or should I save it for later?

fuck yeh it's time

Ok so I was asking earlier when Robyn was wavering on their Bereft take, and then Bereft seemed to have listed Robyn as a scumread. I didn't want to force a dichotomy between them because it would go terribly if I was wrong, but I wanted to poke around and see what people's reasons for scum reading Robyn were (the reasons for people scumreading Bereft were very clearly that he was gimmick posting).

Robyn claimed that they could solve both Bereft and me within the first 24hours, which resulted in them expressing a townread on me and what seemed like a throwaway scumread on Bereft,which is why I was trying to gauge their confidence in that read (and unfortunately, I was unable to gauge how confident Bereft was in his read on Robyn but maybe someone else picked that up).

I did actually think, once Bereft posted about the objects and put down the first 3 votes, that he was slightly towny for doing so solving under the gimmick. I believe Robyn picked up on this and decided to commit to the bereft push because it would be pretty easy for others to follow without much convincing. The real hindrance to that would be the dissenters who thought Robyn themself was a wolf, however.

Earlier in the game, I did think Robyn's read on Ranmilia was satisfactory enough that I wasn't going to question Robyn right away. I decided it was mildly towny enough and that I could probably leave their slot and see how it goes, so I took to responding to the scumreads on Robyn to figure out what their logic was (or at least, I tried to). So then when Robyn was trying to butter me up and also ask for my readlist, I decided to be sneaky and just not give it (but also because I was too lazy to type it up) and see what behavior I could observe.

I expressed low confidence in my current reads and no real scumreads. This was true enough, and as you pointed out earlier in someone else's case (TSP?), Robyn went straight for pocketing me after I said that. I decided I would vote for Bereft to force the dichotomy between them, correct or not, but without saying that's what I was doing. I downplayed my interpretation of bereft's posts in order to do this, and made a paranoia post that allowed Robyn to amplify it (TSP picked up on this, but thought I looked bad for sowing paranoia in saying that highposters contained a wolf). What I said in response to his vote on me after I caught up was that he should look for who reacted to that post. The answer should be Robyn, because Robyn immediately echoed that sentiment and told the thread that I was "correctly" voicing concern that there was an active wolf. In my opinion, if Robyn is a wolf, then they ARE the most active wolf commenting on my post. If I were more accurate and someone who was a wolf with Robyn was more active than them, they would not want to amplify that.

Sorry this is so longwinded, and also I'm not voting Robyn right now because I don't want to encourage a hammer until closer to the voting deadline. So I just voted pyxxy so that I'm voting somewhere, lol (sorry pyxxy).

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:02 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:40 am Literally never seen any town make that read ever cuz Rondo is a total maniac and everyone has the fear. Explain the read cuz it's hecka tilting me.

my top villa read is tsp

i was asking you why you wolfread rondo, cuz i was falling for his posting

Cuz the mother fuck did some wolfy ass shit even tho he did some town shit cuz that mother fuck can't help himself

wolfy shit, such as?

i’m not asking you to wolfread you, so don’t be shy. i just wanna know to not take my wolfread off him for some minor good posting with emotion

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:07 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:05 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine

Sorry Robyn ily but I do think you're strategizing like a wolf rn

Wasn't their last post at midnight EST?

(And yes, here I am up at 4. Perhaps I should move to the Aleutians)

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:10 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:45 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:44 am Is it time to tell you why I was entertaining Robyn and voting Bereft? Or should I save it for later?

fuck yeh it's time

Ok so I was asking earlier when Robyn was wavering on their Bereft take, and then Bereft seemed to have listed Robyn as a scumread. I didn't want to force a dichotomy between them because it would go terribly if I was wrong, but I wanted to poke around and see what people's reasons for scum reading Robyn were (the reasons for people scumreading Bereft were very clearly that he was gimmick posting).

Robyn claimed that they could solve both Bereft and me within the first 24hours, which resulted in them expressing a townread on me and what seemed like a throwaway scumread on Bereft,which is why I was trying to gauge their confidence in that read (and unfortunately, I was unable to gauge how confident Bereft was in his read on Robyn but maybe someone else picked that up).

I did actually think, once Bereft posted about the objects and put down the first 3 votes, that he was slightly towny for doing so solving under the gimmick. I believe Robyn picked up on this and decided to commit to the bereft push because it would be pretty easy for others to follow without much convincing. The real hindrance to that would be the dissenters who thought Robyn themself was a wolf, however.

Earlier in the game, I did think Robyn's read on Ranmilia was satisfactory enough that I wasn't going to question Robyn right away. I decided it was mildly towny enough and that I could probably leave their slot and see how it goes, so I took to responding to the scumreads on Robyn to figure out what their logic was (or at least, I tried to). So then when Robyn was trying to butter me up and also ask for my readlist, I decided to be sneaky and just not give it (but also because I was too lazy to type it up) and see what behavior I could observe.

I expressed low confidence in my current reads and no real scumreads. This was true enough, and as you pointed out earlier in someone else's case (TSP?), Robyn went straight for pocketing me after I said that. I decided I would vote for Bereft to force the dichotomy between them, correct or not, but without saying that's what I was doing. I downplayed my interpretation of bereft's posts in order to do this, and made a paranoia post that allowed Robyn to amplify it (TSP picked up on this, but thought I looked bad for sowing paranoia in saying that highposters contained a wolf). What I said in response to his vote on me after I caught up was that he should look for who reacted to that post. The answer should be Robyn, because Robyn immediately echoed that sentiment and told the thread that I was "correctly" voicing concern that there was an active wolf. In my opinion, if Robyn is a wolf, then they ARE the most active wolf commenting on my post. If I were more accurate and someone who was a wolf with Robyn was more active than them, they would not want to amplify that.

Sorry this is so longwinded, and also I'm not voting Robyn right now because I don't want to encourage a hammer until closer to the voting deadline. So I just voted pyxxy so that I'm voting somewhere, lol (sorry pyxxy).

So to boil this down you think robyn was pocketing/manipulating you like mac described?

sorry my brain is getting major mafia fatigue (i legit would not have signed on if i knew this was gonna have a 72h d1)

i believe hammer ios never enabled. unfortunately.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:08 am Oh yeah and I meant to also point out, notice how Robyn retracted the Bereft take when it seemed like there was danger that there was a real dichotomy being forced between them and almost nobody was voting Bereft (other than Robyn and me, and I had gone afk)

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:10 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:45 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:44 am Is it time to tell you why I was entertaining Robyn and voting Bereft? Or should I save it for later?

fuck yeh it's time

Ok so I was asking earlier when Robyn was wavering on their Bereft take, and then Bereft seemed to have listed Robyn as a scumread. I didn't want to force a dichotomy between them because it would go terribly if I was wrong, but I wanted to poke around and see what people's reasons for scum reading Robyn were (the reasons for people scumreading Bereft were very clearly that he was gimmick posting).

Robyn claimed that they could solve both Bereft and me within the first 24hours, which resulted in them expressing a townread on me and what seemed like a throwaway scumread on Bereft,which is why I was trying to gauge their confidence in that read (and unfortunately, I was unable to gauge how confident Bereft was in his read on Robyn but maybe someone else picked that up).

I did actually think, once Bereft posted about the objects and put down the first 3 votes, that he was slightly towny for doing so solving under the gimmick. I believe Robyn picked up on this and decided to commit to the bereft push because it would be pretty easy for others to follow without much convincing. The real hindrance to that would be the dissenters who thought Robyn themself was a wolf, however.

Earlier in the game, I did think Robyn's read on Ranmilia was satisfactory enough that I wasn't going to question Robyn right away. I decided it was mildly towny enough and that I could probably leave their slot and see how it goes, so I took to responding to the scumreads on Robyn to figure out what their logic was (or at least, I tried to). So then when Robyn was trying to butter me up and also ask for my readlist, I decided to be sneaky and just not give it (but also because I was too lazy to type it up) and see what behavior I could observe.

I expressed low confidence in my current reads and no real scumreads. This was true enough, and as you pointed out earlier in someone else's case (TSP?), Robyn went straight for pocketing me after I said that. I decided I would vote for Bereft to force the dichotomy between them, correct or not, but without saying that's what I was doing. I downplayed my interpretation of bereft's posts in order to do this, and made a paranoia post that allowed Robyn to amplify it (TSP picked up on this, but thought I looked bad for sowing paranoia in saying that highposters contained a wolf). What I said in response to his vote on me after I caught up was that he should look for who reacted to that post. The answer should be Robyn, because Robyn immediately echoed that sentiment and told the thread that I was "correctly" voicing concern that there was an active wolf. In my opinion, if Robyn is a wolf, then they ARE the most active wolf commenting on my post. If I were more accurate and someone who was a wolf with Robyn was more active than them, they would not want to amplify that.

Sorry this is so longwinded, and also I'm not voting Robyn right now because I don't want to encourage a hammer until closer to the voting deadline. So I just voted pyxxy so that I'm voting somewhere, lol (sorry pyxxy).

So to boil this down you think robyn was pocketing/manipulating you like mac described?

sorry my brain is getting major mafia fatigue (i legit would not have signed on if i knew this was gonna have a 72h d1)

i believe hammer ios never enabled. unfortunately.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:58 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:47 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:47 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 4:44 am Is it time to tell you why I was entertaining Robyn and voting Bereft? Or should I save it for later?

HURRY UP PLEASE IT'S TIME

#thirstyformech

There was no mech involved lol, I was just baiting Robyn to see what they'd do. Sometimes I lie about my reads, other times I just intentionally withhold them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:10 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:07 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:05 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine

Sorry Robyn ily but I do think you're strategizing like a wolf rn

Wasn't their last post at midnight EST?

(And yes, here I am up at 4. Perhaps I should move to the Aleutians)

and?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:11 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:08 am Oh yeah and I meant to also point out, notice how Robyn retracted the Bereft take when it seemed like there was danger that there was a real dichotomy being forced between them and almost nobody was voting Bereft (other than Robyn and me, and I had gone afk)

and yet Bereft does seem to be trying to tell me I'm a dumbass for sussing her... what make u of dat?

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:15 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

Abby is a more active poster though. But enough with the nitpicks, I believe the three people you're voting are the same that received secret votes, what do you make of that?

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:16 am Yeah, I'd love to stay up with y'all, but I really should be going to bed now. If you see me post again during nighttime EST today, tell me to go to bed

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:16 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:15 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

Abby is a more active poster though. But enough with the nitpicks, I believe the three people you're voting are the same that received secret votes, what do you make of that?

Bereft did not, but replace him with Robyn and those would be the three names.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:15 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

Abby is a more active poster though. But enough with the nitpicks, I believe the three people you're voting are the same that received secret votes, what do you make of that?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:20 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

those are the people who got secret votes...

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:18 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:15 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:12 am i think my vote will be in abi / bereft / rondo

don’t particularly care to reread and get a better feel for the game. it’s prolly a bad sign im sussing 2 of my voters since it seems like mostly villas do it on here, but c’est la vie, in my low investment mode i haven’t picked up on anything egregious from the more active posters

Abby is a more active poster though. But enough with the nitpicks, I believe the three people you're voting are the same that received secret votes, what do you make of that?

yeah, i’ve also mentioned that. it prolly means it’s wrong, i didn’t get the feel i was correct with confidence on any wolfread i’ve made today, so i’m not stressing it

for the mechanic itself, it seems odd to come from someone in the other thread, but who knows, the game is odd enough as it is

i’d wager it’s the work of someone from our own thread, and maybeeee villagery, but there being 3 people who received this is worrisome

hedge is hedge but we really can’t know. i’m gonna likely choose to ignore it, but if i start to believe it comes from the wolfteam, i’m ghanna park on bereft prolly

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:22 am u mad sus Ted brah

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:21 am i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:21 am i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:24 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:23 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:21 am i’d say it ~never comes from a villa in the other thread

could come from a wolf role in either thread

or a villa from ours


likelihood from least likely to most likely

I would still bet on them being the result of non-intention e.g. people are paired between threads and being a wagon in one thread leads to getting a secret extra vote in this one, possibly going both ways

and on further reflection, possibly with a minimum # of votes to activate it so that vanity wagons don't just flood our poll and mess things up

also can't rule out rondo's self-vote theory unless I iso abigail and robyn and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm going to bed instead tyvm

Rule it out, Robyn never self voted and I explicitly told Abbi there was no self voting before she could try it

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:26 am why would people be paired between threads?