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Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:46 pm
by Tangrowth
Jay and MP Bros 4 lyfe :keys:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:47 pm
by Sloonei
I feel so felt

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:48 pm
by Elohcin
You are all making a big mistake.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:49 pm
by birdwithteeth11
MovingPictures07 wrote:
sanmateo wrote:that vomp guy is being really secretive
His meta is hands down the most bizarre of anyone at this forum, easily. I've really given up trying to understand him, but I can't help but try at times anyway.

I've seen him say in more than a couple games blatantly that he's rooting for the mafia regardless of alignment, for example.

But I've also seen him actually participate in the game a couple of times (early in his mafia career) as a somewhat active civilian willing to voice his opinions, even if they did occasionally still have the bizarre Vomps-reactionary flavor to them.

So I really have no idea what to expect from him here other than likely zaniness.
To all our new players:

The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.

I think the guy's extremely hard to read, and he's been lynched a ton as a civvie because of this. Of course, he's also been lynched as a baddie for sometimes the same reasons as when he's a civ.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:49 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Elohcin wrote:You are all making a big mistake.
could be. could you leave any parting warnings/thoughts?

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:49 pm
by Tangrowth
birdwithteeth11 wrote: To all our new players:

The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.
QFT

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:50 pm
by Sloonei
Elohcin wrote:You are all making a big mistake.
Who do we look at as potential scums if you are good?

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:50 pm
by Bass_the_Clever
Voting Elo for reasons stated earlier.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:51 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
birdwithteeth11 wrote:The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.

I think the guy's extremely hard to read, and he's been lynched a ton as a civvie because of this. Of course, he's also been lynched as a baddie for sometimes the same reasons as when he's a civ.
if any of you good Syndicateers ever come to RYM for a game, bring Vompatti along and we'll make sure chumlum plays

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:51 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
i threw my vote on Elo. every other option is mathematically impossible. and she's a red read. so cool beans.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:51 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.

I think the guy's extremely hard to read, and he's been lynched a ton as a civvie because of this. Of course, he's also been lynched as a baddie for sometimes the same reasons as when he's a civ.
if any of you good Syndicateers ever come to RYM for a game, bring Vompatti along and we'll make sure chumlum plays
YES

THIS MUST HAPPEN

MAFIA #86

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:54 pm
by Tangrowth
Also Syndicateers should be used to describe anyone from TS for all of eternity

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:58 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
i'm getting a lot of gut pings that i've been wrong about DDL. he'll need a lookover.

Re: Death and Taxes: Polls

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:58 pm
by thellama73
Who's killing all these people?

Poll ended at Sun May 24, 2015 5:57:41 pm

acrosstheaether
1
Dragon D. Luffy (7)
6%

Bass_the_Clever
0
No votes

birdwithteeth11
0
No votes

Black Rock
1
fingersplints (9)
6%

Dragon D. Luffy
2
Turnip Head (10), Elohcin (15)
13%

Elohcin
8
TinyBubbles (3), sanmateo (4), MovingPictures07 (5), acrosstheaether (6), G-Man (11), Sloonei (13), Bass_the_Clever (14), JaggedJimmyJay (16)
50%

fingersplints
0
No votes

G-Man
0
No votes

JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

Roxy
0
No votes

sanmateo
0
No votes

Sloonei
0
No votes

TinyBubbles
1
Vompatti (12)
6%

Turnip Head
1
Roxy (8)
6%

Paul Krugman (Hosts/Mod)
2
thellama73 (1), Metalmarsh89 (2)
13%

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:59 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i'm getting a lot of gut pings that i've been wrong about DDL. he'll need a lookover.
I'm starting to wonder the same, especially if Elo flips civilian.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:00 pm
by Ricochet
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.

I think the guy's extremely hard to read, and he's been lynched a ton as a civvie because of this. Of course, he's also been lynched as a baddie for sometimes the same reasons as when he's a civ.
if any of you good Syndicateers ever come to RYM for a game, bring Vompatti along and we'll make sure chumlum plays
Next year we'll send him in the Champions game. :nicenod:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:00 pm
by Tangrowth
I swear, if I'm wrong about Elo again, I may just start forcing myself to always think the opposite read of how I'm reading her. I'm really hoping here.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:01 pm
by Tangrowth
Ricochet wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.

I think the guy's extremely hard to read, and he's been lynched a ton as a civvie because of this. Of course, he's also been lynched as a baddie for sometimes the same reasons as when he's a civ.
if any of you good Syndicateers ever come to RYM for a game, bring Vompatti along and we'll make sure chumlum plays
Next year we'll send him in the Champions game. :nicenod:
Oh hell no. :haha:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:01 pm
by thellama73
Night 2: Population Control


"So," the economists said in unison. "You want to keep the population down, do you, Malthus? Well, welcome to You Town. Population: zero!"

Serves him right for having terrible theories.

Elohcin has been lynched. She was Thomas Malthus.
You have 24 hours to send in role PMs.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:02 pm
by Sloonei
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
sanmateo wrote:that vomp guy is being really secretive
His meta is hands down the most bizarre of anyone at this forum, easily. I've really given up trying to understand him, but I can't help but try at times anyway.

I've seen him say in more than a couple games blatantly that he's rooting for the mafia regardless of alignment, for example.

But I've also seen him actually participate in the game a couple of times (early in his mafia career) as a somewhat active civilian willing to voice his opinions, even if they did occasionally still have the bizarre Vomps-reactionary flavor to them.

So I really have no idea what to expect from him here other than likely zaniness.
To all our new players:

The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.

I think the guy's extremely hard to read, and he's been lynched a ton as a civvie because of this. Of course, he's also been lynched as a baddie for sometimes the same reasons as when he's a civ.
this is simultaneously exciting and worrying. On the one hand I look forward to seeing what y'all mean when you describe him first hand. On the other hand, by this description i'm basically just crossing my fingers that he's town.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:02 pm
by birdwithteeth11
SON OF A.....

I saw I had about 30 seconds left (I thought), went to click on the bubble next to Bass' name, and then went to vote....and it wouldn't accept my vote because it was past the deadline. :( Oh well.

But yeah, if I could have voted, I would have voted for Bass probably. DDL would be a close second for his pressing Elo on her Golden vote, and DDL's voicing suspicion of her, but then going with an aether vote which seemed like an easy cop-out to me.

Might as well finish catching up for now.

Linki: If Elo flips civ, I think DDL is definitely getting a closer look from me. The only person I remember having anything resembling a substantial case on her is MP. I feel like there was one more player but I can't remember right now who it is.

That, and I think it's more likely Elo comes up civ because of all the weak reasons IMO I saw for voting for her. Seemed like an easy target unfortunately.

Linki: Holy shit did NOT expect that at ALL! :faint:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:02 pm
by Bass_the_Clever
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok I would also like to hear what everyone else is thinking about the super posters. lol. Does anyone else feel like there could be mafia lurking among them?

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:02 pm
by Tangrowth
HOLY SHIT YES. :yay:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:03 pm
by Sloonei
WOOHOO

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:03 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
that'll do. nice work everyone.

nobody gets any points for this one though. mafia probably thought she'd flip town. :)

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:03 pm
by Tangrowth
thellama73 wrote:
Night 2: Population Control


"So," the economists said in unison. "You want to keep the population down, do you, Malthus? Well, welcome to You Town. Population: zero!"

Serves him right for having terrible theories.
:haha:

So true. Awesome.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:04 pm
by Ricochet
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:The best way to describe Vompatti is that he's the most Dadaist/avant-garde mafia player you could imagine. I can't think of any other way to describe it.

I think the guy's extremely hard to read, and he's been lynched a ton as a civvie because of this. Of course, he's also been lynched as a baddie for sometimes the same reasons as when he's a civ.
if any of you good Syndicateers ever come to RYM for a game, bring Vompatti along and we'll make sure chumlum plays
Next year we'll send him in the Champions game. :nicenod:
Oh hell no. :haha:
Stop squashing this. It needs to happen!

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:04 pm
by Ricochet
Oops wrong color wtf

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:05 pm
by Tangrowth
I am seriously so happy right now. Not a mafia, but god damn does that rock.

Thanks for playing, Elo. Hope to play with you again soon. I promise I won't yell at you next time. :P

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:05 pm
by birdwithteeth11
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Night 2: Population Control


"So," the economists said in unison. "You want to keep the population down, do you, Malthus? Well, welcome to You Town. Population: zero!"

Serves him right for having terrible theories.
:haha:

So true. Awesome.
Yeah. I loled at that one too.

Alright, so for everyone who was bouncing around theories of Elo and Epig being connected, how do you feel about Epig now? Because I'd be more likely to lean civ on him.

Also, BIH Elo! :feb: Sad to see you go but not your role!

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:06 pm
by Sloonei
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok I would also like to hear what everyone else is thinking about the super posters. lol. Does anyone else feel like there could be mafia lurking among them?
You seem to be implying that you think there's scum hiding out here. Which of us (I assume I'm being counter amomg the super posters, i dunno if that's accurate) would it most likely be? Least likely? and why do you feel this way?

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:06 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:that'll do. nice work everyone.

nobody gets any points for this one though. mafia probably thought she'd flip town. :)
How does this fit into your newfound gut pings on DDL?

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:06 pm
by Tangrowth
I still really think Epi was mafia, BWT. Elo was more so connected to Epi in my mind, but Epi's actions stood alone as intentionally manipulative.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:07 pm
by Tangrowth
Can we play the game now, Jay?

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:07 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Notice:

anyone who was just deliberating how other players will look in the event of a townie Elohcin flip... those concerns are still valid. this lynch should be treated as the lynch of a townie from an analytic standpoint as we pursue mafia.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:08 pm
by fingersplints
Well that is a pleasant surprise. :omg:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:08 pm
by Tangrowth
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Notice:

anyone who was just deliberating how other players will look in the event of a townie Elohcin flip... those concerns are still valid. this lynch should be treated as the lynch of a townie from an analytic standpoint as we pursue mafia.
I was just thinking that myself.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:08 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
MovingPictures07 wrote:Can we play the game now, Jay?
i'm game.

HEY Y'ALL: if you're here right now and will be for the next 10-20 minutes, say aye.

if we get enough people, i have an activity for you. :feb:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:09 pm
by Tangrowth
Aye.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:09 pm
by Bass_the_Clever
aye

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:09 pm
by Sloonei
Dragon, fingersplints, Turnip Head, vomp, and Roxy all voted for someone other than Eloh. I am making nothing of this yet, just pointing out that it's a reality and something which may be worth pursuing later.
The people who voted for Eloh are in no way abovd suspicion for doing so, of course.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:10 pm
by Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Can we play the game now, Jay?
i'm game.

HEY Y'ALL: if you're here right now and will be for the next 10-20 minutes, say aye.

if we get enough people, i have an activity for you. :feb:
nay, i'm about to leave for like 30 minutes to an hour, but i'll he back after then

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:11 pm
by Turnip Head
That worked out nicely.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:11 pm
by Elohcin
MovingPictures07 wrote:HOLY SHIT YES. :yay:
SMH. See ya, sucker.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:11 pm
by birdwithteeth11
Roxy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Le snipped
Sloonei wrote:
sanmateo wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin -- (#1 No read or unsure, #2 Slight civilian read, #3 no change) -- DROP! Fixated on me all game, then suddenly had opinions on a ton of players with no explanation, including "leaning civilian" on Golden. Then continues to subtly push heat on me until I had an emotional breakdown, upon which she says that both (1) the breakdown doesn't bode well for me yet (2) votes Golden with literally no explanation. Could it get any objectively more scummy than this?
i think you are being manipulative with this, the problem for me isnt that she focused on you but that she had golden as a civilian read and without building a case she flipped and voted for him

at this point i think as scum team of elo + mp07 is more likely than elo + epi, if elo and epi were scum teams their voting would have been very clumsy. in any case i think everyone should focus on getting 1 scum and work their way back instead of trying to catch the whole scum team at once.
Another interesting observation that I'd not really considered. How common is it for scum partners to outright bus each other from Day 1 over here?
Depends on the player. Some will go after teammates left and right and some are completely adamant about throwing teammates under the bus unless absolutely necessary. For Day 1 though, I would consider that to be quite uncommon. I can't remember a time that's happened that springs to mind. But if I'm wrong, someone feel free to correct me.
I've thrown a teammate under on Day 1. :feb:
WWE anyone?
Herpa de derp. I should have remembered that one. :disappoint:

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:12 pm
by thellama73
Aye.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:12 pm
by fingersplints
How long will this activity be? It's already 11 here

How many people missed the vote?
I also think that her team would be more likely to have distanced from her since she was so obviously going down.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:13 pm
by Tangrowth
fingersplints wrote:How long will this activity be? It's already 11 here

How many people missed the vote?
I also think that her team would be more likely to have distanced from her since she was so obviously going down.
She was the Serial Killer.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:14 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
fingersplints wrote:How long will this activity be? It's already 11 here
10-20 minutes, if the pace is maintained.

Re: Death and Taxes: An Economics Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 6:14 pm
by Tangrowth
Please more people say aye. I want to play the game!