Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Pure meta crap. I expected him to compete with me in post count in this game, at least when he's been available to post. He is a relentless player who stops at nothing to scumhunt in a way that is very unique to him. In this game so far his effort has been null and he's dropped by often enough for that to alarm me.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Why is rdw at rock bottom?
I see what you mean. I have him as a town read myself because to me he seems genuinely flovivivalmisandergated at the new forum, which, while not excusing his lack of content, does excuse his suspiciousness. At least for the time being.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Pure meta crap. I expected him to compete with me in post count in this game, at least when he's been available to post. He is a relentless player who stops at nothing to scumhunt in a way that is very unique to him. In this game so far his effort has been null and he's dropped by often enough for that to alarm me.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Why is rdw at rock bottom?
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I see what you mean. I have him as a town read myself because to me he seems genuinely flovivivalmisandergated at the new forum, which, while not excusing his lack of content, does excuse his suspiciousness. At least for the time being.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Pure meta crap. I expected him to compete with me in post count in this game, at least when he's been available to post. He is a relentless player who stops at nothing to scumhunt in a way that is very unique to him. In this game so far his effort has been null and he's dropped by often enough for that to alarm me.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Why is rdw at rock bottom?
Bullzeye wrote:Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I see what you mean. I have him as a town read myself because to me he seems genuinely flovivivalmisandergated at the new forum, which, while not excusing his lack of content, does excuse his suspiciousness. At least for the time being.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Pure meta crap. I expected him to compete with me in post count in this game, at least when he's been available to post. He is a relentless player who stops at nothing to scumhunt in a way that is very unique to him. In this game so far his effort has been null and he's dropped by often enough for that to alarm me.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Why is rdw at rock bottom?
Interesting word...
As green as I ever wasJaggedJimmyJay wrote:I haven't had the opportunity to talk about or look into everyone, so many of these are purely based on gut. I know I'd been coloring my votes earlier in the game, but none of these amount to votes.
The names in each tier are ordered alphabetically. The order of the tiers themselves is what I'd call important. The selection that gave me the most pause was Ricochet as a green, I'll need to try to look him over. I know he's been a point of contention, but I haven't involved myself in that discussion yet.Spoiler: show
Never done it before, but right now I'm off to a concert and dinner with friends.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quick phone note:
This game would be perfect for gun to head reads. One mafia team, still 6 members alive. Someone with more time should head that up during a busy time in the thread.
#JJJForScum2015JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The counterargument is that he's giving me no real opportunity to change his mind and is painting everything I say in mafia colors -- but so is Zebra and I trust him. Sometimes people tunnel.
And since apparently this is necessary, here is the post I am talking about:Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Interesting.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think that one actually reflects decently well on Seaside. I read it as LC seeing an opportunity to policy lynch someone for a dumb reason and taking advantage.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Are you saying that the (first?) most pingy is the Seaside comment? That's what strikes out to me the most.Strawhenge wrote:The thing about Sorsha is the second most pingy one. He was asked directly by another player, and gave a really dodgy response.
Polite request that as many people as possible express their thoughts on this matter. I think it looks bad for Seaside, JJJ seems to think it "reflects decently well" for him. What are your thoughts?
linki: Toodle-oo
Now just a reminder, both Strawhenge and myself think that this post here looks very bad for seaside, while JJJ thinks the very same post makes it look good for him. Meanwhile, MacDougall and seaside don't know what post I'm talking about. What are your thoughts?Long Con wrote:Ugh. It makes me want to lynch him, but not because I particularly believe he was handed a Mafia card at the start. It's ugly, and ugly is such a smelly word.Choutas wrote:Your view of Seaside is right and I agree with it it's just that he told me before the game starts that he'll try his best to get lynched early in order to have more free time. It might sound ridiculous but I know Seaside and he's frankly ridiculous. On the other hand if he stops playing midway he'll be a problem to the mods and us.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Voting Seaside until he explains his numerous arbitrary reads to satisfaction.
It's a lose-lose situation to me.
You're sooooooo right. You see, I was born yesterday and this here is my first mafia game ever. I just didn't know that I shouldn't defend my baddie partners in the thread!Strawhenge wrote:Ho-kay. So.
My top three scumspects, in no order, are Sorsha, Seaside, and The 73rd Llama.
Part One: SorshaSpoiler: show
I'm not really seeing any actual defense from you. Just feigned offense and a defeatist attitude. You can't deny that you look bad for your defense of LC, but you could at least attempt to give a reasoned argument for why you aren't. Until you do, my vote will also be going to you.Sorsha wrote:You're sooooooo right. You see, I was born yesterday and this here is my first mafia game ever. I just didn't know that I shouldn't defend my baddie partners in the thread!Strawhenge wrote:Ho-kay. So.
My top three scumspects, in no order, are Sorsha, Seaside, and The 73rd Llama.
Part One: SorshaSpoiler: show
Or...
Maybe I really actually thought LC was civvie because I don't have btsc with him because I'm not bad?
I don't know. All you geniuses have it all figured out. Please.... Teach me how to mafia.
Right, but why not say this when he was lynched as opposed to "nice lynch"?Sorsha wrote:Well the only defense I really have is that I'm crap at reading LC.
I think this is bad for Seaside, it seems like Long Con made this post as a back up. He could have turned around and voted for Seaside if he had to then used this post to defend his later in the phase vote when Seaside flipped mafia. Usually those who vote late on a mafia lynch are examined so that could be the reason,Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Let's try this again.And since apparently this is necessary, here is the post I am talking about:Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Interesting.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think that one actually reflects decently well on Seaside. I read it as LC seeing an opportunity to policy lynch someone for a dumb reason and taking advantage.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Are you saying that the (first?) most pingy is the Seaside comment? That's what strikes out to me the most.Strawhenge wrote:The thing about Sorsha is the second most pingy one. He was asked directly by another player, and gave a really dodgy response.
Polite request that as many people as possible express their thoughts on this matter. I think it looks bad for Seaside, JJJ seems to think it "reflects decently well" for him. What are your thoughts?
linki: Toodle-ooNow just a reminder, both Strawhenge and myself think that this post here looks very bad for seaside, while JJJ thinks the very same post makes it look good for him. Meanwhile, MacDougall and seaside don't know what post I'm talking about. What are your thoughts?Long Con wrote:Ugh. It makes me want to lynch him, but not because I particularly believe he was handed a Mafia card at the start. It's ugly, and ugly is such a smelly word.Choutas wrote:Your view of Seaside is right and I agree with it it's just that he told me before the game starts that he'll try his best to get lynched early in order to have more free time. It might sound ridiculous but I know Seaside and he's frankly ridiculous. On the other hand if he stops playing midway he'll be a problem to the mods and us.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Voting Seaside until he explains his numerous arbitrary reads to satisfaction.
It's a lose-lose situation to me.
What is everyone's thoughts on Seaside. Could he be mafia and was attempting to wallflower but when he started to get heat he posted and everything was redirected? I bring this up partly because of Long Con's post about him.Golden wrote:Long Con, JJJ, bea, ricochet, Dr Wilgy, sig.. one more... possibly MM.
That's where my head is at right now.
^--Talkin' about Long Con and her.Sorsha wrote: Of course he, as mafia, would try to associate with or otherwise make a civ look guilty.
1. And if LC was a civ he would have been a great leader, it's trueStrawhenge wrote:Ho-kay. So.
My top three scumspects, in no order, are Sorsha, Seaside, and The 73rd Llama.
Part One: Sorsha
1. Votes Long Con and Metalmarsh89 for CEO. Already not looking great, knowing that Long Con was pulling a long con.
2. Vote for BWT, terse, ambiguous assessment of Long Con, and some weird logic. Why's it totally cool and not backpedaly for Long Con to switch from bea to sig, but totally backpedaly for BWT to switch from sig to bea to sig?
3. ...then she admits that Long Con's ploy is suspicious...but still avoids any measure of conviction on the matter. Basically it's just a, 'Yeah it's suspicious. I don't get it. Huh. Weird. [silence] Welp, see ya later.'
4. This is a little stretchy, as far as a theory goes, but it's weird that at a few points she softly implies that Seaside was being framed for Burger's (specifically Burger's) death. Even going so far as to imply that everybody is against Seaside for a completely non-game-related reason. I know it's a second-degree casing, because this theory would only make sense if both Sorsha and Seaside were scum, but there's also a measure of strangeness about how noncommittal her defense of Seaside is. It takes her a few posts on the subject before outright saying she simply doesn't think he's scum, but I feel really shaky about the sidewaysy nature of the previous posts.
5. Comes to Long Con's defense again. And again, much more strongly, here. o_o
6. Her reaction to the Long Con lynch is remarkable in how unremarkable it is. 'Oooh...Nice lynch!' That's all you have to say after defending the guy? o_O Is there an eye-twitch smiley? Can someone make one? Can someone make one of a spinning red light? Because I would follow up this Sorsha ISO with a grand mosaic of those two smilies, stretching for pages and pages.
Conclusion: Sorsha's not looking so great to me, I'll tell you h-whut.
And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.Matt F wrote:Russ looks completely anti-Mafia to me now. He might be SK (er...apologies to whoever doesn't like talking about the SK...?), but consider this...
Russ made the 8th and final vote for Long Con, and was rather late with it.
Then, Long Con was forced to use his "x3 vote" on bcornett just to TIE with bcornett. I very seriously doubt Russ would make that vote if Long Con was his teamie. He could've easily avoided it by voting bcornett or Llama.
Anywho, right now I believe Sorsha is a baddie.
^--Talkin' about Long Con and her.Sorsha wrote: Of course he, as mafia, would try to associate with or otherwise make a civ look guilty.
What's funny about this, is when I mentioned how Sorsha maybe voted with Eloh in Day 0 all three times to make Elohcin look guilty in the case that Sorsha was lynched and flipped baddie...Sorsha said how ridiculous I was.
But now, you do believe it's possible that members of the Mafia try to associate with civs to make them look guilty?
Linki
I like Golden, heck he even voted me CEO (thanks G!), however, after seeing Russ' very late vote for Long Con, I see Golden switched his vote to bcornett before the poll ended.
Golden - What are your thoughts on Sorsha? Do you think we should lynch her today?
Also, I had a slight ping on espers, but I'll write out a new post for that one. What's everyone else think of espers?
No, it wouldn't be worth it if you were civvie. At all.Sorsha wrote:And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.
I'm not sure I agree, it wouldn't be worth it for the civilian cause, but as a haha maybe it would be. This is looking more and more like a civ who just lost it and isn't good under pressure. Without any previous meta on Sorsha she seems like an emotional civilian to me.Matt F wrote:No, it wouldn't be worth it if you were civvie. At all.Sorsha wrote:And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.
Sorsha
Btw, I'm guessing you agree now that Mafias attempt to associate with civvies in case they get lynched?
Sure it will, it will prove you wrong and me right. Worth it to me.Matt F wrote:No, it wouldn't be worth it if you were civvie. At all.Sorsha wrote:And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.
Sorsha
Btw, I'm guessing you agree now that Mafias attempt to associate with civvies in case they get lynched?
Should I take this mean to that you have other suspicions that are unpopular? And if so, what are they?Devin the Omniscient wrote:Yup. Sorsha. That's about the only suspicion I agree with completely, atm.
Your fence-sitting is nothing short of hardcore. I didn't know hardcore fence-sitting was even theoretically possible, but you have proved its existence with your post here. Sadly, I don't think I can make any judgments about your alignment from this fence-sitting, which makes your fence-sitting contagious, and here I am, same as it ever was.sig wrote:At this point I'm unsure of a Sorsha lynch, I could go for a Golden or maybe a Seaside lynch.
So here is my question what is everyone's thoughts on Golden and his defense of Long Con as well as this post.What is everyone's thoughts on Seaside. Could he be mafia and was attempting to wallflower but when he started to get heat he posted and everything was redirected? I bring this up partly because of Long Con's post about him.Golden wrote:Long Con, JJJ, bea, ricochet, Dr Wilgy, sig.. one more... possibly MM.
That's where my head is at right now.
Good point about Russt, I would never have noticed that, and it definitely makes me re-evaluate the scummy vibes I got from him earlier. As or espers...I haven't been thinking about espers at all, actually. And I don't like that. Low key much?Matt F wrote:Russ looks completely anti-Mafia to me now. He might be SK (er...apologies to whoever doesn't like talking about the SK...?), but consider this...
Russ made the 8th and final vote for Long Con, and was rather late with it.
Then, Long Con was forced to use his "x3 vote" on bcornett just to TIE with bcornett. I very seriously doubt Russ would make that vote if Long Con was his teamie. He could've easily avoided it by voting bcornett or Llama.
Also, I had a slight ping on espers, but I'll write out a new post for that one. What's everyone else think of espers?
sig wrote:I'm not sure I agree, it wouldn't be worth it for the civilian cause, but as a haha maybe it would be. This is looking more and more like a civ who just lost it and isn't good under pressure. Without any previous meta on Sorsha she seems like an emotional civilian to me.Matt F wrote:No, it wouldn't be worth it if you were civvie. At all.Sorsha wrote:And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.
Sorsha
Btw, I'm guessing you agree now that Mafias attempt to associate with civvies in case they get lynched?
I don't believe a civilian should say things like "It will totes be worth it just to see the stupid look on your face" (obviously I'm paraphrasing)...sig wrote:I'm not sure I agree, it wouldn't be worth it for the civilian cause, but as a haha maybe it would be. This is looking more and more like a civ who just lost it and isn't good under pressure. Without any previous meta on Sorsha she seems like an emotional civilian to me.Matt F wrote:No, it wouldn't be worth it if you were civvie. At all.Sorsha wrote:And I absolutely LOVE proving people wrong. So if I do get lynched today it be kinda worth it to just have my civvie role shoved right in your face.
Sorsha
Btw, I'm guessing you agree now that Mafias attempt to associate with civvies in case they get lynched?
That was Long Con, who was neck-in-neck with bcorn at the time with everyone else far behind. Therefore, one of the two that were most likely to be lynched that I was arguing against, was also one of the names I mentioned as someone who would be preferable to those two lynch candidates. I planted this pardox to see if JJJ or anyone else would address it. He did not, only you did. Proof:espers wrote:i'd like to see this answered soon tbh. if it's not totally clear: you mentioned "two that are the most likely to actually be lynched", and implied they weren't good choices. one is obviously brian. who is the other leading lynch candidate you're talking about?espers wrote:who is the other, town lynch candidate if not long con?Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Ok J, I would say right now all of these people are more likely to be scum than bcornett: Wilgy, Epig, yourself, Long Con, Russt, sig, Floyd, and llama. That's a LOT of candidates that are preferable to the two that are the most likely to actually be lynched. Nobody knows what they're talking about.
You're voting for someone based on their temporary silence combined an apparent difference in meta. Neither of those are solid reasons compared to the eight people I've listed.
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Does no one see my para-never mind.
Anyway, JaggedJimmyJay.
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:to see if JJJ or anyone else would address it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm literally not more likely to be scum than bcornett. Are you sure about that?Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Ok J, I would say right now all of these people are more likely to be scum than bcornett: Wilgy, Epig, yourself, Long Con, Russt, sig, Floyd, and llama. That's a LOT of candidates that are preferable to the two that are the most likely to actually be lynched. Nobody knows what they're talking about.
You're voting for someone based on their temporary silence combined an apparent difference in meta. Neither of those are solid reasons compared to the eight people I've listed.
Your reads are your own. Why are you demanding that I share them? I've spent a ton of this phase talking with sig and Long Con. Go read that and tell me why I should vote for them right now.
Floyd's content is definitely not inherently more suspicious than bcornett's. I can understand it being called suspicious, but more suspicious is nonsense. There is nothing to assess beyond a vote.
I haven't seen a good reason to be suspicious of Wilgy.
Epi and llama are getting a lot of crap. I have no strong opinion. Focus on those two: sell me on either of those votes.
ebwop: You all should lynch me b/c I am having a hard time keeping up in this game.Elohcin wrote:Tell who?Ricochet wrote:Tell.Elohcin wrote:Who's there?Ricochet wrote:Knock knock, Eloh!
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Great job on the LC lynch guys. See, I always feel like LC is bad and a lot of the time I am wrong. SO, I try hard not to suspect him.
I'm talking about the paradox. You didn't address the paradox, likely because you didn't notice it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I did address that Zebra. You may not have liked the way I addressed it, but don't tell people I never bothered.
You're right, I didn't. I had to read your post and subsequent explanation just now to even know what you were talking about. I still don't know what you had in mind with this maneuver or what it might expose.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I'm talking about the paradox. You didn't address the paradox, likely because you didn't notice it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I did address that Zebra. You may not have liked the way I addressed it, but don't tell people I never bothered.
You can't expect me to see inside your brain. I misunderstood you and have just stated how. I was indeed unaware of your paradox thing.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:ffs the whole responding to my posts without reading them thing is getting old JJJ
This right here is what I had in mind. It reveals, once again, that you are more eager to defend yourself than anything else, both then and especially now. And don't try to pretend that the paradox was impossible to notice because espers noticed it immediately, thinking I meant someone other than Long Con when it clearly had to be him. What does that say about espers exactly? I'm not sure, but as someone who pulled the maneuver that you did at the end of Day 2, you shouldn't see my much less risky and much less elaborate maneuver as a pointless one.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You're right, I didn't. I had to read your post and subsequent explanation just now to even know what you were talking about. I still don't know what you had in mind with this maneuver or what it might expose.Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I'm talking about the paradox. You didn't address the paradox, likely because you didn't notice it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I did address that Zebra. You may not have liked the way I addressed it, but don't tell people I never bothered.
