The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:44 pm**

Illyria wrote:
Scotty wrote:
sig wrote:I think Ika could've killed Silver, but I'm not sold. I really disliked Llama saying he was lock civ though.
I mean I just don't trust llama's reads at all this game anyway.
I am not sure I trust anyone's reads in this game, including my own. I am keeping my vote on Nero for now, the sudden Ika train makes me think we may be wrong about them both. I am going to re read and see iif something else sticks out.

On them both, eh? You're definitely someone I will be looking into further

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:45 pm**

Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

If my cases have been so bad, then why have I led three lynches in a row? Why did you have your vote on Nerolunar until the eleventh hour?

If my cases are bad, the time to say so is during the Day phase when I'm making them, not after you've seen the lynch result.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:46 pm**

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
This post sounds like someone who knows the person he is lynching is bad.

It sounds like someone who is capitalizing on a civ train and using it to make him seem like he is tryin his hardest when the train collapses

This doesn't even make sense.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:46 pm**

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:48 pm**

Scotty wrote:Dropping in to vote for Nero. Nothing he has said in defense of his leading 4 votes all day has made me think he is anything but bad.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:48 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.
If my cases have been so bad, then why have I led three lynches in a row? Why did you have your vote on Nerolunar until the eleventh hour?

If my cases are bad, the time to say so is during the Day phase when I'm making them, not after you've seen the lynch result.

I was busy, negative nancy. I wasn't the ones making the cases.
The point you were making in the town showing up to make their own cases is true, however you saying so doesn't make me feel better about you, but worse. It's like scolding a child for getting into the pantry to steal the peanut butter and while the child is in time out, you spoon out 10 tablespoons for yourself to pin on the child later

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:53 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dropping in to vote for Nero. Nothing he has said in defense of his leading 4 votes all day has made me think he is anything but bad.

I stand by this vote at the time, because he hadn't posted but a few times and couldn't make up his mind. In the rest of the phase, he seemed more defeated. I've already been through that.

i still want to vote ika before you, especially since you think he is civ.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:55 pm**

Scotty wrote:
Illyria wrote:
Scotty wrote:
sig wrote:I think Ika could've killed Silver, but I'm not sold. I really disliked Llama saying he was lock civ though.
I mean I just don't trust llama's reads at all this game anyway.
I am not sure I trust anyone's reads in this game, including my own. I am keeping my vote on Nero for now, the sudden Ika train makes me think we may be wrong about them both. I am going to re read and see iif something else sticks out.
On them both, eh? You're definitely someone I will be looking into further

Have at it, buddy.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:57 pm**

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.
If my cases have been so bad, then why have I led three lynches in a row? Why did you have your vote on Nerolunar until the eleventh hour?

If my cases are bad, the time to say so is during the Day phase when I'm making them, not after you've seen the lynch result.
I was busy, negative nancy. I wasn't the ones making the cases.
The point you were making in the town showing up to make their own cases is true, however you saying so doesn't make me feel better about you, but worse. It's like scolding a child for getting into the pantry to steal the peanut butter and while the child is in time out, you spoon out 10 tablespoons for yourself to pin on the child later

Nope. I feel like I'm one of the only ones doing any legwork and a large number of people are coming in just to drop a vote and fuck off somewhere.

I don't say things to make Scotty feel good, especially when there's an even stronger possibility that naughty Scotty is killing people.

And I don't like peanut butter, so there.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:59 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.
If my cases have been so bad, then why have I led three lynches in a row? Why did you have your vote on Nerolunar until the eleventh hour?

If my cases are bad, the time to say so is during the Day phase when I'm making them, not after you've seen the lynch result.
I was busy, negative nancy. I wasn't the ones making the cases.
The point you were making in the town showing up to make their own cases is true, however you saying so doesn't make me feel better about you, but worse. It's like scolding a child for getting into the pantry to steal the peanut butter and while the child is in time out, you spoon out 10 tablespoons for yourself to pin on the child later
Nope. I feel like I'm one of the only ones doing any legwork and a large number of people are coming in just to drop a vote and fuck off somewhere.

I don't say things to make Scotty feel good, especially when there's an even stronger possibility that naughty Scotty is killing people.

And I don't like peanut butter, so there.

Me neither. Gross stuff.

RIP Nero, I can't believe you could have saved yourself. But that Game of Thrones was pretty awesome, right?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:59 pm**

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dropping in to vote for Nero. Nothing he has said in defense of his leading 4 votes all day has made me think he is anything but bad.

I stand by this vote at the time, because he hadn't posted but a few times and couldn't make up his mind. In the rest of the phase, he seemed more defeated. I've already been through that.

i still want to vote ika before you, especially since you think he is civ.

It's a shame you didn't make any effort to get ika lynched this phase.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:08 pm**

RIP Nero.

Derp.

Yeah I think Epig's right, sig and Daisy were probably civ btsc buddies, so next phase I'll prolly vote Epig for being number 1 on Wilgy's list.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:13 pm**

Honestly, the number of votes that Ika got makes me think he is a civvie.

I think I am going to spend tonight putting on my Opposite Day glasses. The baddies are just sitting back and picking us off one by one. I am going to start looking at people I had put into the town column because at this point I think I have too many of them in there.

From that list I am going to look at previous supishes that I have let go.

How do you NOT like peanut butter?? It is yummmmmmy delish. GoT was really good last night. It could have been great, but I am assuming the writers are going to string us along for a bit....

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:16 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Lorab
8
Epignosis (4), Nerolunar (10), Matt (11), DFaraday (12), Metalmarsh89 (13), sig (14), Spacedaisy (15), Polo (19)
42%

DrWilgy
5
Epignosis (9), Nerolunar (11), sig (12), Metalmarsh89 (13), DrWilgy (16)
31%

Nerolunar
6
Epignosis (3), Illyria (5), Black Rock (7), Long Con (8), Scotty (10), Sorsha (12)
46%

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dropping in to vote for Nero. Nothing he has said in defense of his leading 4 votes all day has made me think he is anything but bad.

I stand by this vote at the time, because he hadn't posted but a few times and couldn't make up his mind. In the rest of the phase, he seemed more defeated. I've already been through that.

i still want to vote ika before you, especially since you think he is civ.
It's a shame you didn't make any effort to get ika lynched this phase.

It really is. being busy on a day phase is never a good combination.

I can only start looking at the common denominator- something you so readily gave us:

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:17 pm**

EBWOP: that first quote should be at the end of that post

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:19 pm**

Good luck everyone. Yeah Long Con, GoT is always a pleasure.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:27 pm**

Tbqh, I was being a little snooty with my last post because I'm befuddled why more peeps didn't vote siggy boy this phase.

But REALLY thinking about it, Epig has a point. Why would Daisy and sig have a PM discussion without anyone else on it if they really were on a baddie team? That means they were most likely civ btsc'ers. So who else was on Wilgy's list? Epig. Right on top.

I know it's lame and I'm piggybacking off the role reveal of Wilgy, but what does everyone else think?

Ya all think Wilgy was just messin' ? He could've been, knowing Wilgy, but I dunno. I actually have three days off this week, starting today, so assuming dem mafias don't butcher me tonight, perhaps I'll "pay attention" and reread some peeps.

Illy are you bad?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:33 pm**

Nero you deserved to die for watching the new game of thrones after all the books are much much better. :P

Also RIP looking forward to playing with you in golden's game soon.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:38 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
This post sounds like someone who knows the person he is lynching is bad.

It sounds like someone who is capitalizing on a civ train and using it to make him seem like he is tryin his hardest when the train collapses
This doesn't even make sense.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:42 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
This post sounds like someone who knows the person he is lynching is bad.

It sounds like someone who is capitalizing on a civ train and using it to make him seem like he is tryin his hardest when the train collapses
This doesn't even make sense.

Did you just sneeze

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:43 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.
This post sounds like someone who knows the person he is lynching is bad.

It sounds like someone who is capitalizing on a civ train and using it to make him seem like he is tryin his hardest when the train collapses
This doesn't even make sense.

Apparently you need to take some hints on cheerleading from Triple-J.

I don't know what Scotty sees here, because I don't think this post has anything to do with who's being lynched, especially since Nerolunar wasn't even bad.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:56 pm**

Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

Epignosis would be a good place to look.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:59 pm**

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:00 pm**

I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:05 pm**

"Let Epi."

I don't control where people vote. That old lady died Day 1.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:07 pm**

thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:24 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.
Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.

The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:25 pm**

Why sdint I get lynched?

Sigh....

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:26 pm**

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.
Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.
The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

Okay man.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:26 pm**

ika wrote:Why sdint I get lynched?

Sigh....

Because math.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:27 pm**

Anyone trying to pint the silver kill to me is really pulling bullshit. Anyone should see from the champ game that would know that I couldn't do it.

The fact I struggled this much in champ game alone should show enough that I can't do it twice. Much less before the champ game.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:33 pm**

ika wrote:Anyone trying to pint the silver kill to me is really pulling bullshit. Anyone should see from the champ game that would know that I couldn't do it.

The fact I struggled this much in champ game alone should show enough that I can't do it twice. Much less before the champ game.

Silverwolf was killed here before you killed her in MCS.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:37 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
ika wrote:Anyone trying to pint the silver kill to me is really pulling bullshit. Anyone should see from the champ game that would know that I couldn't do it.

The fact I struggled this much in champ game alone should show enough that I can't do it twice. Much less before the champ game.
Silverwolf was killed here before you killed her in MCS.

That was the point I was trying to make?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:38 pm**

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Lorab
8
Epignosis (4), Nerolunar (10), Matt (11), DFaraday (12), Metalmarsh89 (13), sig (14), Spacedaisy (15), Polo (19)
42%

DrWilgy
5
Epignosis (9), Nerolunar (11), sig (12), Metalmarsh89 (13), DrWilgy (16)
31%

Nerolunar
6
Epignosis (3), Illyria (5), Black Rock (7), Long Con (8), Scotty (10), Sorsha (12)
46%

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dropping in to vote for Nero. Nothing he has said in defense of his leading 4 votes all day has made me think he is anything but bad.

I stand by this vote at the time, because he hadn't posted but a few times and couldn't make up his mind. In the rest of the phase, he seemed more defeated. I've already been through that.

i still want to vote ika before you, especially since you think he is civ.
It's a shame you didn't make any effort to get ika lynched this phase.
It really is. being busy on a day phase is never a good combination.

I can only start looking at the common denominator- something you so readily gave us:

Hey Scotty, do you know if the Lorab lynch would have been a bad one?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:39 pm**

ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
ika wrote:Anyone trying to pint the silver kill to me is really pulling bullshit. Anyone should see from the champ game that would know that I couldn't do it.

The fact I struggled this much in champ game alone should show enough that I can't do it twice. Much less before the champ game.
Silverwolf was killed here before you killed her in MCS.
That was the point I was trying to make?

Your point would be stronger if the Downton Abbey Silverwolf kill would have happened after the MCS one.

However, I'm not the one you're going to have to convince on that front.

If you are a civilian, please do not vote for yourself again.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:41 pm**

im starting the day with a self vote and it won't be moving.

Look, I'm mobile so I can't post proper but I'm not going to defend the points anymore I'm sick that people are misrepresenting me and think it's just some walk in the park to kill silver. It's not.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:43 pm**

ika wrote:im starting the day with a self vote and it won't be moving.

Look, I'm mobile so I can't post proper but I'm not going to defend the points anymore I'm sick that people are misrepresenting me and think it's just some walk in the park to kill silver. It's not.

The fuck is this.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:45 pm**

Epignosis wrote:
ika wrote:im starting the day with a self vote and it won't be moving.

Look, I'm mobile so I can't post proper but I'm not going to defend the points anymore I'm sick that people are misrepresenting me and think it's just some walk in the park to kill silver. It's not.
The fuck is this.

Words.

I'm about to go back to work

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:18 pm**

ika wrote:im starting the day with a self vote and it won't be moving.

Look, I'm mobile so I can't post proper but I'm not going to defend the points anymore I'm sick that people are misrepresenting me and think it's just some walk in the park to kill silver. It's not.

Ika, who would you vote for if it were day phase right now?

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:18 pm**

Scotty wrote:
ika wrote:im starting the day with a self vote and it won't be moving.

Look, I'm mobile so I can't post proper but I'm not going to defend the points anymore I'm sick that people are misrepresenting me and think it's just some walk in the park to kill silver. It's not.
Ika, who would you vote for if it were day phase right now?

If you weren't allowed to vote yourself, I mean

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:20 pm**

Also reading back through llama's ISO has me thinking he's my bad, but has made some blunderous reads for civs so far.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:06 pm**

thellama73 wrote:I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

Strange... I could have sworn that Epignosis advocated against ika's lynch recently.

What sorcery is this llama? Every banner is broken except for yours!

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:16 pm**

If Ika has given up the will to play and just keeps self voting we should lynch him, he will in the end just aid the mafia by doing that.
I'm at a loss who to vote for, I think LC might be good.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:58 pm**

Dom, A Retrospective - Part 1

1. Starts out with an OT-sandwich, hold the green. Between two throwaway comments to Illy, a small challenge to ika for not revealing all his reads. Suspicion of ika

2. OT and throwaway

3. Throwaway, and asks Polo if he's bad. Open question

4. Keeps some sideways pressure on ika, then tells of a read without revealing it (like he was pressuring ika for doing), answers Polo's counter-are-you-bad with a "no". Suspicion of ika

5. Asks Illy what she thinks of Polo's post. Open question

6. Declares he "noticed something" about Polo's post, but that he liked Polo's response. Suspicion of Polo Unsuspicion of Polo

7. Denies Polo any information about post #6.

8. Asks ika if Silverwolf is bad. Open question

9. Links ika to A World Reborn to see Macdougall's policy lynch in that game

10. Asks for more people to talk about his interaction with ika Open question

11.

I don't like how it was announced that there were suspicions, but not what they were. Waiting to announce a suspicion is one thing. Announcing a suspicion, but holding it to yourself is weird to me.

But this is kind of what Dom did in # 6 & 7? Suspicion of ika

12. Says ika is mischaracterizing Dom's point. I don't see that perspective. Suspicion of ika

13. Tells Illy his play hasn't changed significantly.

14. OT

15. Accuses ika of a No U because ika red-graded him. Suspicion of ika Briefly delves into dissecting Silverwolf's suspicion of him.

16.

It was intentional that I withheld the suspicion I had of the person who was withholding suspicions. Your second point isn't a suspicion. I said something about the post caught my eye and I liked his response, so

Dom says he withheld his suspicion of ika intentionally... but my analysis to this point contains several posts where suspicion of ika seems pretty clear.

------------------

I know I'm not too far in here, but I'll post this starter analysis. Probably better to have it in a few separate posts anyway.

Posted: **Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:00 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:What sorcery is this llama? Every banner is broken except for yours!

Ain't my Photobucket.

sig wrote:If Ika has given up the will to play and just keeps self voting we should lynch him, he will in the end just aid the mafia by doing that.
I'm at a loss who to vote for, I think LC might be good.

I am good. Which is why you shouldn't vote for me.

How does it aid the Mafia?

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:25 am**

Scotty wrote:
Scotty wrote:
ika wrote:im starting the day with a self vote and it won't be moving.

Look, I'm mobile so I can't post proper but I'm not going to defend the points anymore I'm sick that people are misrepresenting me and think it's just some walk in the park to kill silver. It's not.
Ika, who would you vote for if it were day phase right now?
If you weren't allowed to vote yourself, I mean

dom/epi

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:26 am**

sig wrote:If Ika has given up the will to play and just keeps self voting we should lynch him, he will in the end just aid the mafia by doing that.
I'm at a loss who to vote for, I think LC might be good.

so now im town but you still want to lynch me?

add sig to the vote list. if its onlyone i would vote sig out of the 3

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:46 am**

17. Corrects Black Rock's "sneaky" analysis to "nuanced".

18. Brings up the dichotomy of Black Rock not suspecting him yet calling him "sneaky" Suspicion of Black Rock

19. Repeats the point from #18 in different words. Suspicion of Black Rock

20. After Epi brings up that BR wasn't talking about this game, Dom says he doesn't suspect her, but then reiterates that the word choice could be intentional to foster suspicion of him. Suspicion of Black Rock

21. Confronts sig for his true opinion of Dom's alignment. (I will not label this one as "Open question" because it's more direct than "Are you bad?" or "What do you think of XXX?") Denies Silverwolf's 'try-hard' analysis. Accepts that Black Rock wasn't trying to get Dom lynched ("I can buy that."). Upon reread... Dom had already said that he wasn't suspicious of BR. Why would he act like Epi convinced him, rather than respond with something like "Exactly, she was not suspecting me" kind of talk? "I can buy that." reads to me like "That works, let's drop it now".

22. Hard-claims town, and gives a

for ika presupposing Dom is bad due to their previous interactions.

23. Tells ika he has no read on Metalmarsh "because he's too wacky". Responds to Spacedaisy's detective work into the BR affair with a pretty legit answer.

That's where I'm calling it a night, peeps. Way too 4:45am-ish for me to go on. Right now, I have an elevated level of suspicion for Dom, but I did like his answer in post #23. I'll try to continue this tomorrow here and there.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:37 am**

Elsie, I applaud you. That is an endeavor I doubt I would take on.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:16 am**

Scotty wrote:Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

Question:

What does Scotty thinking I had BTSC with Polo have to do with my cases being bad "to say the least?"

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