The Syndicate

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Fredwood wrote:Which leaves us in an interesting situation, unless Wilgy wants to deny being Leviathan. If he's not Leviathan... well I have no fucking clue why he would play it that way unless he wasn't Leviathan or a Reaper.

DrWilgy wrote:That explains your questions about Dom's death then Sprit.

I'm not a cop, but this:

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.

Along with your bad vote yesterday and buddying of me, I thought you were Gfish's teammate.

Your question makes me think you had knowledge or silenced JoH and were setting him up to kill him.

Fredwood wrote:I give up...Seriously, I just feel stupid now. I'll check back later and vote for whoever is leading.

nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.

I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.

linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?

nutella wrote:

Fredwood wrote:I give up...Seriously, I just feel stupid now. I'll check back later and vote for whoever is leading.

lol, I feel stupid for following you following wilgy.
I'd recommend a silver vote

linki @ dys: hmm, has he? maybe there are two people silenced, or one of them is faking? :/

Fredwood wrote:Which leaves us in an interesting situation, unless Wilgy wants to deny being Leviathan. If he's not Leviathan... well I have no fucking clue why he would play it that way unless he wasn't Leviathan or a Reaper.

DrWilgy wrote:That explains your questions about Dom's death then Sprit.

I'm not a cop, but this:

sprityo wrote:@DrWilgy with Dom being killed and also pushing to kill JoH earlier, how do you think this reflects back at JoH?

Wasn't asked by a knowledgeless civ.

Along with your bad vote yesterday and buddying of me, I thought you were Gfish's teammate.

Your question makes me think you had knowledge or silenced JoH and were setting him up to kill him.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Adam wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to finish these journal reviews, should be around starting hopefully within the next hour or so, then will be here off and on through EoD. First order of business will be investigating Nifty, LC, and whomever else you all think deserves higher priority for whatever reason. Let me know your requests if you have any please.

If you're after gfish's teammates, high priority should be those who tried to lynch the Geth.

Anyone? You don't think there's any way to discern which of those seemed sincere versus insincere in that treatment?

TonyStarkPrime wrote:So are we thinking Silver was silenced or just is absent? He doesn't have a vote up.

Dyslexicon wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:So are we thinking Silver was silenced or just is absent? He doesn't have a vote up.

Good point about the vote. Dunno.

Long Con wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:So are we thinking Silver was silenced or just is absent? He doesn't have a vote up.

Good point about the vote. Dunno.

What's the usual on HCR? Silencing that stops you from voting? Maybe he assumes he can't vote, if silenced?

nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.

I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.

linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?

Adam wrote:Is it considered bad etiquette here to lynch a silenced player?

Adam wrote:

CaptainNifty wrote:

Adam wrote:

CaptainNifty wrote:
Linki: Regarding what Adam just said. Voting Wigly is seriously scum. Fred is in my face and it makes me uncomfortable, but voting for him is ridiculous. Wigly is in your face, but he's clearly civ. vote Adam

Ebwop: Additionally, why do you say Wilgy is clearly civ? He pushed to lynch gfish, but we have two scum teams here, and there's nothing stopping Wilgy from being Reaper.

Because pretty much everyone from his home site is reading him that way.

Not to mention he's clearly scum hunting. Got anything other than he's pushing for you?

EBWOP: not to mention Long Con is not reading him that way.

And scum hunting for Cerberus =/= town.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:@SVS - I don't see a confirmation of Jack being silenced though, also he already posted this day so he's probably not. In any case I don't think that would be alignment indicative for him, do you?

Open question: How normal is it for info to be leaked through the write up? I'm not used to that, and I don't know the ME games, so I'm not getting a lot out of the write ups and not sure I should?

I think he's silenced becasue he's voting and not posting. It is more common than not for silencing to NOT be announced. But after I voted him, he moved his vote from Adam to me, then when I saw his last post was before the night post, and unvoted him, he moved his vote OFF of me. Either he is silenced or he is pretending to be silenced, but in either case, being unable to ascertain which, I prefer not to vote for him if he cannot respond.

Maybe he's trying to work out how to make a rainbow just using the poll?

Fredwood wrote:Well nutella just shot up to the top of the list of Spirit's teammates.

nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.

I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.

linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?

Adam wrote:Is it considered bad etiquette here to lynch a silenced player?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.

I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.

linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?

LA, tell me more about this S~V~S suspicion if you don't mind.

sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

Fredwood wrote:Here's why Nifty is pinging me so hard, I figured I had to make a seperate post because a lot of things he did yesterday bothered me, and kept building.

He was on the Epi pressure originally with gfish, despite his rainbow having gfish pretty low on his first rainbow list.

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CaptainNifty wrote:I_R
MP
LC
SVS
dom
dys
Fred
sprit
wigly
adam
Jack
TSP
Silver
nutella
gfish
Epi

Maybe this is different playstyle, but I really don't follow one of my biggest danger reads on a pressure train, even if it's on my strongest scum reads. Additionally there's no other additional information or explanation about his rainbow list aside from some generic statements in a previous post about gfish epi and myself. To me if you're gonna bother to do a rainbow, at least give people a chance to argue against it...dunno.

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CaptainNifty wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:
Bad town picks realizing that this is just my thought process: thellama73 (Don't tell me what to do), CaptainNifty (MovingPictures07), Jackofhearts2005 (MovingPictures07), and Adam (colonialbo). The commonality is that they all mentioned someone that had already been mentioned. (Yes, Adam, I was spamming so that the prior results were always close by). I hardly care who they picked, but I do care that they picked someone that already was posted. I give you a 90% chance one of these people is mafia.

I'm compelled to point out that this is ridiculous argument against me. I pointed out MP well before Jack did.

Fredwood wrote:So Saren is in the game, I'm vanilla now.

Kinda sucks, not as much as EDI dying (sniff)

I didn't initially follow this, but Wigly(?) connected the dots for me. Still, Why would you jump to the Saren thing instead of reading your own damn role? This might have been a mistake (Lord knows I've made similar in mafia), but I don't think you'll ever be able to get out of the yellow now for me.

gfishfunk wrote:Right now, my topic scum pick is Epignosis for a simple reason.

Epi was pinging some of the syndicate and did not vote. I targeted Epi with a role block. Only one kill occurred last night, and there should have been two (see the roles in he beginning). With no doctor and no bodyguard, the lack of a kill is indicative of a role block.

Epi is pinging me as well, and it's not a playstyle thing. If I had a roleblock I probably would have used it on him to. I know Syndicate people aren't used to info dump, but I'd like one from Epi. That's where my vote is going to go.

DrWilgy wrote:I think it's safe to assume we will lynch a baddie if we choose either Gfish today, or Hazelnut Spread friend.

Discuss.

While above I agree with gfish, that doesn't mean that he's not scum. I'm not sold hes civ. I'm leaning to them both as orange right now. I think there's a good chance one of them is scum, but I (and I hate to say this) agree with Jack that it is definitely not safe.

Unless you have some info or special insight - in which case please share.

For what it's worth, I don't think bob got killed because people read him as civ. bob got killed because someone from the Realms told their buddies that the longer bob stayed around the worse it would be for them. Jack is prone to having the town turn against him, I_R was too quiet yesterday to be a factor in the decision, gfish was too suspect to be a good target. I'm never a N1 kill, I don't become dangerous until the midgame. Silver is also under a lot of suspicion and is likely to set himself on fire and take people with him. From a Realms perspective a non-faction cbob or adam are the best first night, and adam has been off his game.

I'll post a rainbow in a bit.

That's the only explanation he has for any of his rainbow.

His gfish suspicion seems weak at best, and it's in response to him calling him out. Putting him at the bottom of this list for no other reason then calling you out seems weak.

Another interesting thing here is his statement about me never leaving yellow, but an hour later completely buys my fuck up as innocent after other players just dismiss it as being suspicious.

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CaptainNifty wrote:I can't trust my gut on Jack. There's just too much history, and there hasn't been enough play for me to point to anything that is just glaringly wrong.

My gut says Jack is scum, but my gut always says Jack is scum. Jack also feels less scummy than usual.

My gut just can't be trusted with Jack right now.

TSP however is acting more scummy. His read of me I think is completely off base. His read of adam and gfish also seem suspect.

Moving vote to TSP

CaptainNifty wrote:
I want to hear from Silver. His next post will determine if I vote for him or not.

I probably won't vote for you today at all. If your town your too valuable, and you've pinged enough people scum that if you are we can survive you another night. Out of the three of you I think Epi is the best lynch because he's safe, but right now I'm leaning silver.

I'm leaving my vote on TSP, because while I like that he's engaging, his reads are all bad.

These post are all kinds of weird to me. The first one is literally the first post after Epi drops his Geth Bomb, it's not a linki, it's 10 minutes after Epi's post. So between the time Epi seemed to be claiming Vega, he switched from Epi to Jack, then the post after Epi plays a gambit, he switches to TSP...what?

The second quote is a response to Jack asking him of the choices between Jack, Epi and Fish who Nifty is most likely to vote for...He responds by saying he's probably going to vote for Silver, but he's going to keep his vote on TSP

So there's 3 legitimate options to vote for, and in a direct question to who you're inclined to vote for you Say you're probably going to vote for a 4th one, but keep your vote on a 5th person? What?

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CaptainNifty wrote:With 5 and 5 on Epi and Jack, I need to take a side.

I'm voting Epi

Couple of hours after the previous post, sticks to the belief that Epi is the best lynch between Gfish, Jack and Epi...furthering the safest lynch scenario that Gfish put forward. Also there was plenty of time to come on later and change his vote, in fact he did later, this is with 4 hours left in the phase. It wasn't time to take a stand.

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CaptainNifty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Can we aim to at leas make Gfish the alternate wagon?

Hmm... a thought. I'm damn near a unanimous town read. Yet little to no one is voting with me.

Who legitimately thinks that I am just wrong out of this group.

Just because I trust that your town, doesn't mean I think your right.

Same with Fred. I'm 100% Fred is town. That doesn't make him right.

This post isn't important right now, but it will be later. The time of this post was 1pm when Wilgy is clearly pushing for a gfish lynch, and after I had stated Gfish as an alternative to the current lynch targets because WIlgy was so sure of him.

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CaptainNifty wrote:I think Epi is a better lynch than Jack, but I think gfish is a better lynch than Epi. I'll vote gfish

I would have earlier, but there didn't seem to be enough traction.

This is his Fish vote, the writing is on the wall at this point. Epi lynch isn't going to happen, and Jack, Dys and I are changing our votes soon. It was stated in thread that we would. Timing doesn't give him credit like nutella's does.

Then his caveat about wanting to vote for him before but there not seeming to be enough traction. BS, Wilgy wanted people to join him earlier, you resisted it. You were asked specifically between 3 options of Epi, Jack and Gfish. You said Epi was better option, but also presented two other options for voting. At no point did you ever push for a Gfish lynch despite some minor bussing and a ceremonial place on your suspect lynch, you hardly mention Gfish.

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CaptainNifty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

CaptainNifty wrote:I haven't paid enough attention to the roles, so I went back and re-read them. Here are a couple of things I noticed.

1) Only Alliance has access to roleblocks as far as a i can tell.
2) Both Cerberus and Reapers seem to have access to as much investigative powers as the town.
3) Cerberus can poison through Kai Leng which would also explain one kill last night because we have one more kill coming.

I realize this isn't scum hunting so I apologize, but if I missed these things other townies might have as well.

1) There is a Cerberus role:

Oleg Petrovsky
You are an experienced and formidable military strategist focused on the preservation of humanity. Three times during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. That player’s role will not function.

That sounds like a roleblock to me.

2) What does this mean to you - why is it notable, from your perspective?

3) Good point that I hadn't factored in. Guess we'll know soon enough! I don't know if it's the type of one-shot that needs to get used early though.

1) I just crl+F "roleblock". I'll have to revise my search.
2) I think this is notable because it gives scum cover. Scum is empowered to scum hunt. This needs to be noted that just because a cop catches someone doesn't mean that cop is civ.

This last post isn't really proof, but it's the first thing that rubbed me the wrong way. I can buy the mistake of not thinking scum didn't have a roleblock. It could possibly be dissemination.

The bigger problem for me was the last part feels like he's trying to preemptively discredit cops, when everyone already knows scum will have cops. Even a scum cop that catches other scum is still good for the town. It feels a very strange thing to bring up in response to a role block


Anyway...that's why Nifty is where he is. Any comments, critiques, rebuttals. Am I crazy or do other people think there is something here?

Also

That's my first ISO you guys!!! hooray

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?

S~V~S wrote:I did not realize we had two potential silencers (and on both of MY suspects, lol).

At this stage, not sure where I am gonna shift to though.

Linki@MP~ I don't have reads on most people, you know I don't really play that way. If I had to make choices, I feel better about Wilgy than LC, I feel better about you than Nutella, after today Dizzy went a bit into the red for me. When I looked back at Jacks posts and saw that he had not posted (I thought) today, and Dizzy asked me about it, she said, first, Oh yeah, I did notice he was voting a lot, like it was something she had not connected to being silenced, but then she said, but he did post today. And she was right, once after the NP, I did not notice it since it was the post right after the NP. So she noticed that his one post was today, but did not connect the way his vote was moving all over the place?

So those two things did not go together for me.

I think I talked myself into *Voting Dyslexicon*

Linki @Epi, he "feels" bad to me, I just think he's bad. Not sure why other people do.

nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.

Adam wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?

It's two things.

1) Meta, HCR folk think Silver fits mafia Silver meta more than town Silver meta
2) He hasn't done much other than defend himself against the meta accusations.

Less than 20 minutes left.

Adam wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone point me to the case on Silver Lantern?

It's two things.

1) Meta, HCR folk think Silver fits mafia Silver meta more than town Silver meta
2) He hasn't done much other than defend himself against the meta accusations.

Less than 20 minutes left.

nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.

You are not working on the assumption that every role in that list is in the game until proven otherwise? Why?

And he moved his vote without posting 3 times in literally 5 minutes.

I look forward to your case.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?

I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.

sprityo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?

I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.

I believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independent

I just dont think he's playing towards the town's interest as of current. (or at least on my last check of him)

sprityo wrote:im going to vote silver just in case, so no funny business happens

nutella wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:As I said I'm still processing how I feel about SVS and I don't really think I could have a solid case on her in time for this EOD. But I have had an on and off feeling about her for a few days, and her being the first to "notice" Jack was silenced somehow rubbed me the wrong way. Particularly because of her wording "I forgot we had a silencer" -- we have had no way of knowing until today that one or both of the silencing roles was really in the game, so it kind of made me think she's on a team with one.

You are not working on the assumption that every role in that list is in the game until proven otherwise? Why?

And he moved his vote without posting 3 times in literally 5 minutes.

I look forward to your case.

Uh, because only a fraction of them are?? And we didn't seem to have anyone silenced (that we noticed) on day 2?
But I can believe that you figured it out from the vote moving. I just didn't like the way you worded that post.

MovingPictures07 wrote:LA, what do you think of Nifty?