The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:08 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Turnip Head is town.

Explain your thought process on why TH is town now? I liked your point about him watching and commenting and sitting on a dead wagon. (It may have only been 1 vote off, but it had no momentum.)

He's not lying about having a town read on leetic, and the response of telling me to shove my vote up my ass looked authentic.

I never get a pass for that.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:24 pm I basically have to clear myself because I was a counterwagon to flipped town

problem with that is that i have to push a scum and i don't have a fucking idea who that is right now

i'm deleting my entire ISO and starting from scratch, I'm re-reading and then coming up with my reads and shit

nothing that I posted before this matters k

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:30 pm i acknowledge mac's read on funnygurl. Her stance on ted makes more sense if she is town than if she is mafia.

Now having said that, Dragomir should be the most obvious civilian in this thread right now.

Would appreciate you making some effort to explain this

Look at what he's doing. He just threw up his hands and said "forget this!" and decided to go back to the beginning and start from scratch. I don't think that's how I'd handle the situation, but there's no way a member of any mafia team anywhere decides to do that. Drago hit the reset button for himself and he's following through with it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:21 am Nutella scum

Go on.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:08 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:03 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:08 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Turnip Head is town.

Explain your thought process on why TH is town now? I liked your point about him watching and commenting and sitting on a dead wagon. (It may have only been 1 vote off, but it had no momentum.)

He's not lying about having a town read on leetic, and the response of telling me to shove my vote up my ass looked authentic.

I never get a pass for that.

Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

I hear he's into Life brand cereal.

So that's a no then?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

ts account’s progression on me has felt very natural.

I'm here but not caught up. Now to see how many pages I missed.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it

I've never seen an appeal to hypothetical emotion before.

Or at least, not one quite like this.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:43 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it

I've never seen an appeal to hypothetical emotion before.

Or at least, not one quite like this.

You got a read on the funny gal?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:43 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it

I've never seen an appeal to hypothetical emotion before.

Or at least, not one quite like this.

You got a read on the funny gal?

Potential to be scum with Long Con there. Like she doesn't like the gambit and she's begrudgingly using it to turn his gamble into a strong townread.
I'm not sure whether her vote ending up on LC d1 supports this idea or not.

Okay forgive me if my memory is playing tricks on me but didn't Mac self-vote as mafia just last game? Then survived that day? And was scum?

It's the self-votes that survive, those are the scummy ones.

How confident are you in your Long Con vote?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:00 pm Okay forgive me if my memory is playing tricks on me but didn't Mac self-vote as mafia just last game? Then survived that day? And was scum?

It's the self-votes that survive, those are the scummy ones.

This did not happen. Mac might have self-voted at some point in the middle of a day, but he never left it there as a final vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?

Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:00 pm Okay forgive me if my memory is playing tricks on me but didn't Mac self-vote as mafia just last game? Then survived that day? And was scum?

It's the self-votes that survive, those are the scummy ones.

This did not happen. Mac might have self-voted at some point in the middle of a day, but he never left it there as a final vote.

Does that make the difference to you (assuming that he did)?

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] If you would indulge me, did you self vote in LC's game and why?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?

Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.

Care to explain in the simplest terms possible so we all have it moving forward? The thread is silent, we can put forth any ideas we want.

Epignosis is actually three skeletors in a trench coat.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:00 pm Okay forgive me if my memory is playing tricks on me but didn't Mac self-vote as mafia just last game? Then survived that day? And was scum?

It's the self-votes that survive, those are the scummy ones.

This did not happen. Mac might have self-voted at some point in the middle of a day, but he never left it there as a final vote.

Does that make the difference to you (assuming that he did)?

@MacDougall If you would indulge me, did you self vote in LC's game and why?

I mean, I don’t think Long Con is mafia in this instance, so I don’t follow this premise to the same conclusion as you regardless.

But also yes, there’s a clear difference. A self-vote in the middle of the day is purely for show. It means nothing in the end. A self-vote that remains in place tells us that self-sacrifice was a legitimate possibility for the player. Or at least it would appear so on the surface.

Master Radishes is a player I should ISO. I’m doing school things most of the day, but eventually I’d like to try to figure some things out in here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:00 pm Okay forgive me if my memory is playing tricks on me but didn't Mac self-vote as mafia just last game? Then survived that day? And was scum?

It's the self-votes that survive, those are the scummy ones.

This did not happen. Mac might have self-voted at some point in the middle of a day, but he never left it there as a final vote.

Does that make the difference to you (assuming that he did)?

@MacDougall If you would indulge me, did you self vote in LC's game and why?

I mean, I don’t think Long Con is mafia in this instance, so I don’t follow this premise to the same conclusion as you regardless.

But also yes, there’s a clear difference. A self-vote in the middle of the day is purely for show. It means nothing in the end. A self-vote that remains in place tells us that self-sacrifice was a legitimate possibility for the player. Or at least it would appear so on the surface.

In a game with role madness, I'm more interested in the end result. Maybe mafia has a doublevoter and they wanted to run a gambit. Even then it's within one vote, but it's different.

Then again, I lynched G-man too, so maybe I'm just expecting optimal play and it's not happening.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?

Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.

Care to explain in the simplest terms possible so we all have it moving forward? The thread is silent, we can put forth any ideas we want.

Epignosis is actually three skeletors in a trench coat.

30% is the self-vote, 30% is his early response to suspicion, and the other 40 percent is the stuff in between. LC is like a sandwich with good filling and moldy bread.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:00 pm Okay forgive me if my memory is playing tricks on me but didn't Mac self-vote as mafia just last game? Then survived that day? And was scum?

It's the self-votes that survive, those are the scummy ones.

This did not happen. Mac might have self-voted at some point in the middle of a day, but he never left it there as a final vote.

Does that make the difference to you (assuming that he did)?

@MacDougall If you would indulge me, did you self vote in LC's game and why?

I mean, I don’t think Long Con is mafia in this instance, so I don’t follow this premise to the same conclusion as you regardless.

But also yes, there’s a clear difference. A self-vote in the middle of the day is purely for show. It means nothing in the end. A self-vote that remains in place tells us that self-sacrifice was a legitimate possibility for the player. Or at least it would appear so on the surface.

In a game with role madness, I'm more interested in the end result. Maybe mafia has a doublevoter and they wanted to run a gambit. Even then it's within one vote, but it's different.

Then again, I lynched G-man too, so maybe I'm just expecting optimal play and it's not happening.

I considered the possibility of vote manipulation too. But without anything to go on except speculation, I’m not comfortable basing my vote on that theory.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?

Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.

Care to explain in the simplest terms possible so we all have it moving forward? The thread is silent, we can put forth any ideas we want.

Epignosis is actually three skeletors in a trench coat.

30% is the self-vote, 30% is his early response to suspicion, and the other 40 percent is the stuff in between. LC is like a sandwich with good filling and moldy bread.

I’m interested in the latter 70%. Tell me more.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:28 pm Leeeeeetic, rockin' in here like that like that gets ma blood buzzin' gets ma heart thumpin'

This first post is free, fun, and has a lot of unnecessary verbiage. In other words, it's comfortable.

Then LC gets some suspicion and for a while his ISO consists of short, unfun, unresponsive posts like this:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:52 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:47 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:45 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:34 am Assassin's creed has people in the modern day going into a matrix-like thing and reliving the lives of assassins of the past to gain skillz.

Maybe nutella and JJJ are like a templar and an assassin from the future and they're in our heads right now, living our lives, making our posts.

I haven't felt like myself lately...

Have you know counters to my points about you?

False dichotomy.

Or this:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:13 pm Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.

I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?

Did speedchuck even give a reason?

Did Dragomir even respond to my criticism of his suspicion?

For a full 24 hours of the ISO, LC plays low and quiet and without any ease to his tone. The posts there don't have much to say, either. Only later in the day (after I've thrown some shade) does LC loosen up, and the posts he makes there are a good mech of his style. Reactive, inquisitive, comfortable, content-ful. I'm not quoting the whole ISO, just skim it. There's some good stuff.

Then there's the self-vote.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:40 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

I hear he's into Life brand cereal.

I do not like life, and do not drink milk any more, so no cereal. When I still did, I enjoyed cinnamon toast crunch the most, I think.

Speedchuck's posts isolated to this page sound fairly genuine, so I am not sure what to think.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:40 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

I hear he's into Life brand cereal.

I’ve been holding up the relevant gif

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?

Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.

Care to explain in the simplest terms possible so we all have it moving forward? The thread is silent, we can put forth any ideas we want.

Epignosis is actually three skeletors in a trench coat.

30% is the self-vote, 30% is his early response to suspicion, and the other 40 percent is the stuff in between. LC is like a sandwich with good filling and moldy bread.

HEY man

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:01 pm How confident are you in your Long Con vote?

Maybe 60%? I'm not married to it, but I also think it bears talking about.

Care to explain in the simplest terms possible so we all have it moving forward? The thread is silent, we can put forth any ideas we want.

Epignosis is actually three skeletors in a trench coat.

I wish I knew how to embed this video, but: https://ifunny.co/video/9bGzHy7X7

I just don't see how we can go with LC today. Tied votes, especially ones without last minute shuffling, are so often v/v, and LC's self-vote was way too risky to be a scum gambit IMO.

I'm not going to vote LC today. I'll only revisit it if we approach LYLO.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that

TS is a townread for me until proven otherwise. I've not had a moment where I think 'no way a scum says/does that' but their overall play has looked solid.



I agree about Mac's vote. Anyone else and I'd say that was a very wolfy pop-in, but Mac built up enough cred last round in my eyes that I'm willing to wait for him to come back and play properly.

Having not done any associative reads, I'm going with FG and/or Epi as a starting point.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:32 pm I've not had a moment where I think 'no way a scum says/does that'

If this is the case for you, then I have not been playing as well as I should be.

ts account wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:57 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:32 pm I've not had a moment where I think 'no way a scum says/does that'

If this is the case for you, then I have not been playing as well as I should be.

If I add the word 'probably' I can say it a few times.

I'm not very trusting. I've been burned before by towncores I thought I could trust. Tragic tales...

alright so here's what happened: i worked yesterday and got so sleepy that i just conked for 12 hours. then i went back and now i'm here

won't be here for eod again (ugh) however i'll be able to play 'til 3:00 EDT. so i'm brewing up a cup of joe and i'm gonna try to go aggro for you all

(also saw the thing about champs. good luck guys <3 i'll cheer y'all on)

i have three votes. fitting. ooh this is exciting. you know what this means? sloonei and/or tsp is a wolf

oh to answer a q on this page: mikey's town. move on. don't worry abuot him

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:47 am

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:17 am Does ted play on mafiauniverse? What is their username there?

Sup mikey i’m insomnia

Feel free to lock clear me and move on

;_; i've played with you before too

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome

I will not point out all the times you have looked into dumbtells too far.

Well, just one- Color Wheel mafia :p

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome

Don't like this, it's a nothing statement. We can't know until the game ends. [VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:02 pm i have three votes. fitting. ooh this is exciting. you know what this means? sloonei and/or tsp is a wolf

I am responsible for 0 of those 3 votes

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:59 pm [VOTE: funnygurl555] aubergine

She personified the que sera sera mentality of the thread last round, which right now is not a good look considering I really think we had v/v(/v?) wagons yesterday.

i guess i can see where you'd think this. i defended the (/v?) wagon though and deferred to mikey about another read. not to mention my voting pattern closer to eod was as dynamic as i coulda made it given i wasn't really present

idk if that helps you at all or if you're just set on voting me, which is cool

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:15 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:02 pm i have three votes. fitting. ooh this is exciting. you know what this means? sloonei and/or tsp is a wolf

I am responsible for 0 of those 3 votes

yeah i just realized that ted betrayed me

ts account wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:11 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome

I will not point out all the times you have looked into dumbtells too far.

Well, just one- Color Wheel mafia

my tell is correct here shhhHHHHHHH

anyway i have four votes

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:14 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:07 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.

absolutely and forever town here look at this. is it a dumbtell? perhaps, idk, however this is a tell

if there are 3 wolves, look to turnip head. thanks

my tells are never wrong you're welvome

Don't like this, it's a nothing statement. We can't know until the game ends. [VOTE: funnygurl] aubergine

yeah i just realized that lmao. well theoretically... i'm not going into stuff like that in here. anyway i liked mikey's take on that and i think that's clear evidence that he's town

To elaborate on why that is my thought:
In a 15 player game with three wolves and no additional KP, mylo can happen as soon as Day 6. With four wolves, lylo happens on Day 4. From a game design perspective, I feel the latter is preferable to the former. The only thing that gives me pause is the knowledge that two players were not rolled into the game, so I do not know if that will affect parity math.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:43 pm

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:27 am think about it: if you had a team and you had a pretty good shot of lasting the phase BUT YOU VOTED YOURSELF how would your team feel?

idk man there'd be rage, RAGE. wolves have more of a responsibility to live.

ok yeah i guess wolves could self vote at eod like that but if you do that then you're just bad. and like i don't like to call ppl bad, but like if you do that as a wolf then you deserve it

I've never seen an appeal to hypothetical emotion before.

Or at least, not one quite like this.

You got a read on the funny gal?

Potential to be scum with Long Con there. Like she doesn't like the gambit and she's begrudgingly using it to turn his gamble into a strong townread.
I'm not sure whether her vote ending up on LC d1 supports this idea or not.

uhhh no a me/lc team isn't exactly logical here. first of all i'm town. second of all lc's probably town