The Syndicate

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:20 am Did a Nutella iso. They kind of suspected Mac and thought they showed tmi but it didn't seem a super strong push from Nutella.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:18 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:11 am I'm back. Sorry for missing yesterday, mixed up which days the thread would be open and thought I had more time.

Why aren't we lynching Nanook?

Same reason why we aren’t yeeting you or LC, there’s so little to actually scum read that we don’t know for sure who’s the scum, just that they’re likely to be lurkers / off-wagonners.

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:21 am

112 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:14 am Town
tutuu
Amy
Urist
Mac

This is now 3 dead town plus a partner, Mac. Do we think 112 puts all town into their town circle?

112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:08 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:01 pm What's 112 wolf meta?

It's hard to say tbh. I think of anyone here I have the best idea but I wouldn't trust my meta all that much.

The first time I encountered 112 was in champs last year in the qualifiers they were town and they had as much wim as anyone I'd ever played with. Sharp as hell, unafraid to ruffle feathers. We had a town v town war. I've never seen that 112 since so I think that it's unfair to scumread her in the absence of that meta.

The second time I played with 112 they randed wolf and deepwolfed very well and got to f3 in the champs semi last year where they bested me and Vanity after I got myself into kingmaker. In that game their wolfgame was typified by being unafraid to vote for and even eliminate partners. They would have been scumread more if not for flips revealing that 112 had pushed partners. By the end of the game there was evidence of 112 having cased and voted on each and every single partner. One notable thing was hammering their teammate Evenstar while 112 and I were both in the thread laughing at how outed she was. 112 just lolnoped and hammered her when really I wasn't even that convinced she was mafia.

I think the two aforementioned games are probably 112 playing town (and mafia) at her top form. Since then by and large I have seen 112 play near identical as either alignment. Mostly surface level reads. Significant periods of no content. Doesn't really care when people scumread her. Just hasn't seemed to have near the wim as either alignment. I understand a lot has occured for 112 personally since champs last year and I think mostly 112 feels like they can't afford to get themselves that immersed in mafia for their own sanity frankly.

Hope that helps.

I'm just biding energy until we get 112 Unleashed.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:24 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:18 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:11 am I'm back. Sorry for missing yesterday, mixed up which days the thread would be open and thought I had more time.

Why aren't we lynching Nanook?

Same reason why we aren’t yeeting you or LC, there’s so little to actually scum read that we don’t know for sure who’s the scum, just that they’re likely to be lurkers / off-wagonners.

Well, perhaps we should murk the people who were actively on civ wagons day 1. I think it's silly that Nanook isn't being discussed as much as it should be.

Even a policy yeet on 10k or me should probably be more in discussion if content is the issue.

Re yesterday, I probably would've voted Nanook again without crying about TSP getting yeeted.

I don't feel as confident in proto as I was day 2, BUT they are still likely town. Sad to see our towncore decimated.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 am i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:12 am those are actual good points

No. Neither of them are good points. Scum reading 112 and Urist and voting for Urist just means I had a bigger scum read on Urist. You will find this in keeping with the reality.

Voting not Urist right now is partly for the same reason I didn't just vote 112 day 1. Why bother? His wagon is formed and everybody seems at peace with it. I'll be of more use elsewhere.

So no.

You had a maf read on 112 the entire day. I don't recall whom you were voting before me, but it sure wasn't 112. And to stay on me when it was clear that Alison was being wagoned and there was a chance of 112 not beng yeeted... yuck. If you were town, I think you'd have abandoned your read on me and wagoned 112 a lot earlier. You only voted 112 when it was already decided.

If you actually thought I was outed scum, you'd just vote for me.

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:39 am

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:49 am i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

So in your opinion it makes more sense for a 112 teammate to late vote 112 when 112 can still be saved than any other alternative?

I voted at 6-5 15 before eod. If I don't vote there any dumb fuck thing could happen. I am the least likely teammate on vote analysis. I am effectively responsible for hammering day 1. It's not out of my range to do but I wait til much later to determine whether I need to. I don't just throw away teammates for the fuck of it.

Wilgy is right about my meta. He scummed with me in pyre.

112 could not be saved, give me a break. Nobody was posting at EoD. Of all the votes on that wagon, yours is certainly the least impactful and the most likely to come from a partner.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:39 am Proto - you can town core me if you want :P

Really hope I can get a scum yeet today so that I can finally solidify myself in a town core and potentially even eat a bullet for it

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:27 pm i think of all the players who like hard pushed 112, i'd agree that mac has the highest bussing equity just because i think it's absolutely in his range to do so

i'd probably consider tsp/112 soft unaligned off tsp's vote unless it was a coordinated full-team bus, tbh. i don't think tsp is investing enough effort in this game for "bus and go deep" to look like an attractive option to him

colin and proto i think made villagery choices to vote 112 over alison; alison voted in self-pres and i don't THINK the wagons were w/w

and then nutella is dead and i am me

so that's the 112 wagon

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:29 pm i also suspect that w!mac kills exactly nutella last night

certainly other wolves can make that kill, but i think mac ALWAYS makes that kill if he's a wolf

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:41 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:29 pm i also suspect that w!mac kills exactly nutella last night

certainly other wolves can make that kill, but i think mac ALWAYS makes that kill if he's a wolf

I'm sorry what?

let me first clarify that you're one of my top town and this is like. lylo tinfoil

but i got myself to thinking "IF mac is a wolf here, who would he have killed last night"

and i suspect the answer is "whoever is most likely to catch him"

which would, i believe, be nutella

linki: alison, insomnia is tedxtr

112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:09 am Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.

Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.

Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:15 am someone called tenthousandcalories obvious town but i didn't like the only post i remember from that slot

who was it and why are they obvtown?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:18 amin last game proto showed evidence (imo) that he understood how d0 works. i was surprised he forgot, so i thought it was scum struggling to fill up the thread with a post.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:30 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:18 amin last game proto showed evidence (imo) that he understood how d0 works. i was surprised he forgot, so i thought it was scum struggling to fill up the thread with a post.

tutuu got nightkilled, maybe proto did it... not sure how this accusation gets followed up on.

Just quoting as I go, reading with a mind on who has died, and that 112 was mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:12 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:03 am wait why is TSP voting mac

He’s a wolf

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:48 pm mac is a wolf because he only wolf reads me when he's a wolf
town mac knows I'm always town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:49 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:48 pm mac is a wolf because he only wolf reads me when he's a wolf
town mac knows I'm always town

You went from great at mafia to bad at Mafia so fast lol

it's the school year again I'm back on break.
But seriously I think you read me pretty well. And it doesn't come up often, but I think these sporadic pushes from you are wolfier than not.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:49 pm I can absolutely believe that Mac is a wolf here though perhaps the late vote doesn't quite work with 112's reactions. More likely Carotte wait didn't I make a read about the gif thing

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:33 pm okay so we've got

next two night kills:
tutuu
alison

obvtown:
Colin
10k
proto but I can't remember why


??:
nanook
ted

wolves:
mac?
carot

scheduled misyeet:
drwilgy

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?

No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.

Arbitrarily I think this is what you are

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:18 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:46 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:10 pm Mac, are you bad?

No I am obvious when I am mafia. Obvious in a "he's mafia but I can't actually get him yeeted" kinda way.

Arbitrarily I think this is what you are

It's pretty obvious to me that you haven't actually earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way so even if you're town this is a garbage baseless take that'll lose town the game on your back. You know better than to play this way. Your entire tone is sporadic and manic and totally unlike any TSP I've ever seen. I am very clearly my town self. I am nothing like Pyre and Space Invaders, games you played with me. I cannot believe you think this is accurate and now I am even more convinced you are mafia.

Joe. Calm down. I just played a game where I got beaten up by a wolf team I could do nothing about for two weeks. I move back to school this week and have a lot of work to do in preparation. I'm only sporadically around for the thread and I'm only sporadically even on the internet at all, and the entire reason I'm here is to relax. You're right. I haven't earnestly analysed anything in a non surface level way. The one non-this-is-how-this-post-makes-me-feel take I've had is that Amy was in prime position to have bussed and that went nowhere.

I don't think you're very clearly your town self, for what it's worth. Your spurt of energy going into day 2 reminded me of you in day 3 of GOC or day 4? of Fallout, or even late game in that one amrock mash turbo. You were a wolf in all of those games too. I'm not going to try to push you today. I admitted as much in the post you're yelling about. Maybe I'll get around to actually ISOing Carot, or more accurately just trying to wrap my head around if Carot's day 2 feels wolfy or not wrt to how she interacted with me because that's all I remember.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:26 am

112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:09 am Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.

Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.

Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.

Townleans on town players, and then "put Colin under the microscope"... without WIFOMing it too much, it's a good look for Colin,

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:26 am

112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:09 am Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.

Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.

Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.

Townleans on town players, and then "put Colin under the microscope"... without WIFOMing it too much, it's a good look for Colin,

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:12 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:46 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:44 pm gotta say Proto is starting to look mighty poo to me

I also find this post incredibly towny

why

Does mafia Mac ever make such a bad and naked push onto billboard town?

Yes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:17 pm Two of Alison carrot Mac. Proto can be tinfoil. Epi also potential tinfoil but we have to trust he’s town I guess.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:14 pm Fine.

POE:
Kill: Carotte

Sort out:
Ted
Nanook

Probably town but hmm:
Proto

Town until I decide otherwise:
Mac
Alison
Tutuu

Actually town:
10k
Colin

And I’m missing a name. They’re probably in the sort out pile

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:53 pm Nanook’s slanking and Mac and Alison are TMIing me as town and people are still voting me smh

112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:10 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:06 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:51 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:49 am one in mac / nutella might be wolf which would mean I'd have to drop my slank / meme shtick and push there which is a total drag

You've got my interest. Talk to me about this.

I think nutella hasn't shown any town trait and I didn't like her town read on proto, nor her read on me as that's kind of NAI behaviour for me - she's town reading "lhf" for very weak reasoning which she has shown in other scum games that it seems to be her MO mostly

I also think Mac's opening post reads are okay in a vacuum, in the sense that town can also do it but from personal experience, they are more reliable when it comes to scum reads rather than town reads ; so him (presumably) town reading Nutella just for that when she's experienced enough is maybe TMI-y

that's why I'm kinda stuck in between the two

first line here is coherent and I understand where it's coming from but I can't parse the second one at all

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:15 pm @protocultures why Mac over LC, Nanook and I specifically?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:59 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:11 am [VOTE: MacDougall ] aubergine

think his reads are barely progressing and most of the ones that are being changed are done for surface level reasoning that don't show depth of thought

feels opportunistic

protocultures wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:14 pm Fine.

POE:
Kill: Carotte

Sort out:
Ted
Nanook

Probably town but hmm:
Proto

Town until I decide otherwise:
Mac
Alison
Tutuu

Actually town:
10k
Colin

And I’m missing a name. They’re probably in the sort out pile

So as not to provide a misleading picture TSP does then flip the read into Mac to be town again. I don't follow the logic from the iso though.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:20 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:16 am Stop it I’m trying to townread you

Idk man, if scum is like Mac and Alison or something then I'll happily give them the win over someone that kissed mac's ass without doing any solving of his own when I am fully aware that as a town, they have a desire to solve the puzzle

I know it's a silly reasoning but I'm playing minesweeper in this

Like it can't be just LC / Wilgy, game can't possibly be that easy

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:22 am Truth is I don't have anything that compelling, if you're town Nanook then the world would have to be exactly LC and Wilgy, which in theory is possible but it would be so "wtf I just wasted my time" that I don't even wanna explore right now without having you flipped first