Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Venn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
I'd allow kyle, jpic, and syn in that last slot. probably in kyle/syn/jpic orderHyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
now you have some day kamikaze role? wonders aboundMade wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:38 pmI will off myself right here right now. I am civvie willing and ready to risk it all on some petty typehollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:07 pm @Timsup2nothin the point of that game is: I think you're solidly town, like just unimpeachable, and I know you can take over games.
My concern about you is that you're not. You're content to just exist.
I know you've claimed shots, and the shots you've claimed make sense. I don't dispute that.
What I don't like is that my main perception of you is "you're all all wrong" that you had going for several days while we were chopping wolves.
Suddenly, when you can't impact things by voting and pressuring we start chopping townies. I see you railing vs made but I don't see you actually burying him like I know that town!Tim can do.
With Syn: My concern there is all sorts of tinfoil and doesn't make sense, I think. Like He's playing a really townie game, and he's made the right chops at the right time. It's basically some fear that he's been the mastermind behind those, aka busing.
Like GTH I have Syn as town, and if we (the three of us) make F3 I'm fucked trying to figure out which of you two it is.
I don't think we get there tbh, I think Made is the wolf we're looking for.
i'm also concerned about Michelle. Like of everyone else in the thread Michelle is the one I have the most fear about.
@Timsup2nothin (i was just trying to be cute i didnt mean *eyeroll* in a mean way i meant it in a friendly way im afraid if i didnt express it properly pls dont hate me T_T)tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:49 pmlmfaoTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:45 pmThat would be NAI, but I'd still be interested actually, not gonna lie.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:25 pmwell sure - maybe i dont sheep others all the time so i shouldnt expcet others to aswellHyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:22 pmI'm not saying they have to be wrong on all of their reads! I'm trying to see if you actually believe if that's good evidence from your PoV. Like, what makes their reads on you more credible than any of their other reads? Nutella thought I was lock town -- can I say that I'm lock town because of it, too? And how much would you believe Nutella's read if so?tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:12 pm just cuz they were wrong on some reads it doesnt mean they have to be wrong on all what is that logical fallacy....
if a person making a single wrong read invalidates everything they've done - how do u read people hyena?
tell me how are u townreading anyone rn?
but like. idk man im town lol
what am i supposd to do in a game where i got peeked town, and when i personally feel ive been obv town regardless, and then ppl start tinfoiling me - what do they want me to do? like-
im not gonna jump around and dance with a hoola loop on my waist if thats what ppl expect me to do thats for sure
i mean ... *eyeroll*
How do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pmVenn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
If I claim to be offended do I get the hula hoop video?tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:55 pm@Timsup2nothin (i was just trying to be cute i didnt mean *eyeroll* in a mean way i meant it in a friendly way im afraid if i didnt express it properly pls dont hate me T_T)tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:49 pmlmfaoTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:45 pmThat would be NAI, but I'd still be interested actually, not gonna lie.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:25 pmwell sure - maybe i dont sheep others all the time so i shouldnt expcet others to aswellHyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:22 pmI'm not saying they have to be wrong on all of their reads! I'm trying to see if you actually believe if that's good evidence from your PoV. Like, what makes their reads on you more credible than any of their other reads? Nutella thought I was lock town -- can I say that I'm lock town because of it, too? And how much would you believe Nutella's read if so?tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:12 pm just cuz they were wrong on some reads it doesnt mean they have to be wrong on all what is that logical fallacy....
if a person making a single wrong read invalidates everything they've done - how do u read people hyena?
tell me how are u townreading anyone rn?
but like. idk man im town lol
what am i supposd to do in a game where i got peeked town, and when i personally feel ive been obv town regardless, and then ppl start tinfoiling me - what do they want me to do? like-
im not gonna jump around and dance with a hoola loop on my waist if thats what ppl expect me to do thats for sure
i mean ... *eyeroll*
I just mean, let's yeet the strongest overlap between the generally accepted POE and your mirror-universe one.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:57 pmHow do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pmVenn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.
JPIC is a complete toss up for me. Like, there has been a lot of stuff that I wanted to lock him town for, but every once in a while, he'll say something that'll make me do a double take and think "am I wrong here?". I've pointed out a couple of these things in previous posts. I feel like I had a strong reason to call Michelle town earlier, but I dunno if she's done anything since then that makes me want to continue calling her town. I dunno.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:57 pmHow do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pmVenn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.
If we're still alive at near the end of day ten we'll consult again, but for now, sure.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pm@Timsup2nothin If you've got another shot, please keep it -outside- of these people, especially the main four.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
Oh, that makes sense. Right now, I think Made is in the bottom of the general accepted PoE, and he's, like, somewhere in the middle of mine. I have no problem starting there.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:59 pmI just mean, let's yeet the strongest overlap between the generally accepted POE and your mirror-universe one.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:57 pmHow do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pmVenn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:02 pmOh, that makes sense. Right now, I think Made is in the bottom of the general accepted PoE, and he's, like, somewhere in the middle of mine. I have no problem starting there.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:59 pmI just mean, let's yeet the strongest overlap between the generally accepted POE and your mirror-universe one.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:57 pmHow do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pmVenn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.
This is how the world ends.And the order I'd go in if I had full control is Made -> Alison -> Dizzy -> Michelle -> JPIC. JPIC is on the border though for me. Made -> Alison and then one of Michelle or Dizzy would probably always be what I would aim for right now though.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:02 pmOh, that makes sense. Right now, I think Made is in the bottom of the general accepted PoE, and he's, like, somewhere in the middle of mine. I have no problem starting there.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:59 pmI just mean, let's yeet the strongest overlap between the generally accepted POE and your mirror-universe one.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:57 pmHow do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pmVenn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.
@Alison When exactly do you leave the game again (assuming you leave when you've fulfilled your win con)?Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:07 pmAnd the order I'd go in if I had full control is Made -> Alison -> Dizzy -> Michelle -> JPIC. JPIC is on the border though for me. Made -> Alison and then one of Michelle or Dizzy would probably always be what I would aim for right now though.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:02 pmOh, that makes sense. Right now, I think Made is in the bottom of the general accepted PoE, and he's, like, somewhere in the middle of mine. I have no problem starting there.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:59 pmI just mean, let's yeet the strongest overlap between the generally accepted POE and your mirror-universe one.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:57 pmHow do I make a Venn diagram from that info? o:Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:50 pmVenn diagram now with the general thread suspicions.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:47 pm Either way, I think I've found the four of the five people that -I- need to have auto? Those people are Tim, HK, LC, and Tutuu. I think Kyle would make an okay 5th, and if not, Syn would probably okay. Don't care about anyone else -- you can yeet them in any order now for all I care.
Either way, I don't want to try reading Made anymore. I still have a mild suspicion of Dizzy, even if there has been more stuff I liked from them the past two day phases. I just can't shake away those bad gut feelings. One thing in particular that still weirded me out is the "cold feet" that the started getting on 112 right before 112 claimed 3P. It felt like Dizzy wanted 112 yeeted, thinking 112 was town, but didn't want to look bad for voting them later. Then, the "cold feet" seemed to disappear immediately once 112 claimed 3P.
Is anyone less townie than me from your view?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:12 pm @Made
I think maybe you are town, but there is no universe where I know that as fact.
I think you are tired, and lord knows I understand that. I shot you last night specifically because the state of the thread at EoD was "if Wilgy flips town it's Made" and I don't think you have the energy or the opportunity to fight that off, so even if shooting you was wrong it would have given town a fresh start on the day.
You can say, and I can agree, that town should "act as if you flipped town" and work on what then...but I think we both know that isn't realistic. Town will town.
IF you really do have a self blast in the tank, I think the town sided thing for you to do here, honestly, is use it rather than get chopped. That makes the next kill the chop, controlled by town, instead of the NK. It also forces the town to really enter the mindset you suggested, if you really are town.
Ultimately it is your decision of course, and I certainly don't envy you facing it...but that's my take on the state of the game.
your 1000th post should be your kamikazeMade wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:19 pmIs anyone less townie than me from your view?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:12 pm @Made
I think maybe you are town, but there is no universe where I know that as fact.
I think you are tired, and lord knows I understand that. I shot you last night specifically because the state of the thread at EoD was "if Wilgy flips town it's Made" and I don't think you have the energy or the opportunity to fight that off, so even if shooting you was wrong it would have given town a fresh start on the day.
You can say, and I can agree, that town should "act as if you flipped town" and work on what then...but I think we both know that isn't realistic. Town will town.
IF you really do have a self blast in the tank, I think the town sided thing for you to do here, honestly, is use it rather than get chopped. That makes the next kill the chop, controlled by town, instead of the NK. It also forces the town to really enter the mindset you suggested, if you really are town.
Ultimately it is your decision of course, and I certainly don't envy you facing it...but that's my take on the state of the game.
thanks, appreciated.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:56 pm @hollowkatt
Two things to hopefully make you feel better:
1) Sometimes town Tim is genuinely clueless and does not take over the game specifically for that reason. Wolf Tim is never clueless and will pretty much always take over the game.
2) You may have noticed that my town playstyle is not a terrific good fit with the Syndicats. Taking over a game here is really fucking hard work for me. So if town is gonna win by me taking over and spiking the last wolf it is going to happen later, not sooner. F5 maybe. F12...just not. At this point I'm more focused on just not getting mislynched for not being Syndicatty enough.
o7Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:37 pm but yeah, uh, I don't actually think tutuu is scum. LC is prob fine. Kill Tim then kill HK. Personally, I'd go for someone else before Alison, but that cuz i still don't see why she needs to die. but yeah.
great game ____ & _____!! (i technically can't mention their names or i'm complying with the curse)
see y'all on the flip side
1000 post in one game is new record, and third new record in a row
but yeah, see ya later nerds
It is finished.
Honorable play. o7Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:37 pm but yeah, uh, I don't actually think tutuu is scum. LC is prob fine. Kill Tim then kill HK. Personally, I'd go for someone else before Alison, but that cuz i still don't see why she needs to die. but yeah.
great game ____ & _____!! (i technically can't mention their names or i'm complying with the curse)
see y'all on the flip side
1000 post in one game is new record, and third new record in a row
but yeah, see ya later nerds
It is finished.
I trust nothing until I see a mod posted flip.
I meant we can still suck even if made flips wolf.
fairhollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:59 pmI meant we can still suck even if made flips wolf.
If there's one wolf left, then we have a few shots at it. Made had to be one of them, didn't he? I don't think it sucks, he just didn't acquire all the credentials along the way to rank higher in general trust.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:49 pmHonorable play. o7Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 11:37 pm but yeah, uh, I don't actually think tutuu is scum. LC is prob fine. Kill Tim then kill HK. Personally, I'd go for someone else before Alison, but that cuz i still don't see why she needs to die. but yeah.
great game ____ & _____!! (i technically can't mention their names or i'm complying with the curse)
see y'all on the flip side
1000 post in one game is new record, and third new record in a row
but yeah, see ya later nerds
It is finished.
If Made is town we suck.
That's on him to a degree. It doesn't have to mean WE suck. I don't want to suck.You mean that ability that makes it seem like a villager is bad?
Yeah.
here's one: his facehollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:01 am
I'd have to have a very convincing argument made to consider Tim as wolf.
Nanook flipped as some nerd, not Stefan UrquellTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:29 amYeah.
"You are not only an incredible polka accordionist, you are also a brilliant scientist able to convert others into more useful or dangerous versions of themselves. Using your transformation chamber, you may metamorph your target into Carl Winslow or turn yourself into Stefan Urquell. Carl Winslow can check someone and determine the role and description, but not alignment. Stefan Urquell can charm someone into going on a date with him and receive BTSC with the target for the next phase. Be warned that giving someone the Urquell treatment is not without consequences. If someone dies in this state (including you) he or she will be revealed as the transformed figure and as mafia, regardless of alignment. Did I do that?"
What if Wilgy's power got stolen or redirected or whatever?
Nanook flipped as a dead bland Mafia Goon.
Look at the rest of the flips.
Does that even make sense?
No, Nanook would have been revealed as Carl Winslow, Mafia if that were the case.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:29 amYeah.
"You are not only an incredible polka accordionist, you are also a brilliant scientist able to convert others into more useful or dangerous versions of themselves. Using your transformation chamber, you may metamorph your target into Carl Winslow or turn yourself into Stefan Urquell. Carl Winslow can check someone and determine the role and description, but not alignment. Stefan Urquell can charm someone into going on a date with him and receive BTSC with the target for the next phase. Be warned that giving someone the Urquell treatment is not without consequences. If someone dies in this state (including you) he or she will be revealed as the transformed figure and as mafia, regardless of alignment. Did I do that?"
What if Wilgy's power got stolen or redirected or whatever?
Nanook flipped as a dead bland Mafia Goon.
Look at the rest of the flips.
Does that even make sense?
or it's just youTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:12 am So, here's the thing. Assuming Made dying does not end the game one of two things is happening here...
We are collectively reading someone as town who isn't.
There is some sort of mechanical fuckery going on.
There are definitely people who are 'mech cleared' that have not been all that towny. I actually think fuckery is more likely here, but YMMV.
This is kinda why I've been trying to steer the game the past couple hours towards stuff based on reads rather than based on mechanics. I've been screwed over as town by mechanics so many times in the past.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:12 am So, here's the thing. Assuming Made dying does not end the game one of two things is happening here...
We are collectively reading someone as town who isn't.
There is some sort of mechanical fuckery going on.
There are definitely people who are 'mech cleared' that have not been all that towny. I actually think fuckery is more likely here, but YMMV.
To be clear, every game I have played on the Syndicate has been mostly resolved by mechanics...more often badly interpreted mechanics than not.Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:20 amThis is kinda why I've been trying to steer the game the past couple hours towards stuff based on reads rather than based on mechanics. I've been screwed over as town by mechanics so many times in the past.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:12 am So, here's the thing. Assuming Made dying does not end the game one of two things is happening here...
We are collectively reading someone as town who isn't.
There is some sort of mechanical fuckery going on.
There are definitely people who are 'mech cleared' that have not been all that towny. I actually think fuckery is more likely here, but YMMV.
i know there's like a 50% chance you're not being serious about this but my thieving power is 100% public and happened like a half hour before tutuu was even on the table. i was protecting madeTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:35 am If Made was a miss y'all can get all excited about chopping me, and that's all good...but someone with some sense of the mech should consider the possibilities of Nanook being the night kill and Kyle just somehow protecting TuTuu without an actual redirect.
I'm catching up, good morning, and I saw the alerts.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:33 pm@Michelle You might be replacing Syn in the towncore. The new people in charge are still discussing it.Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:32 pmOkay, cool.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:26 pmI'll pick SynHyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:23 pmMADE! NO! WE'RE A TOWN CORE! PICK SOMEONE -NOT- IN THOSE FOUR!!!Made wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:13 pmI’d say it’s always Long Con as town. Tim is probably scum, HK could be scum, Long Con is almost always townHyena wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:49 pmThere's 11 players remaining. If the five of us are town, then we only need to find ONE more person that's town, excluding @Alison (though Alison, if you want to help out with this, you're free to join, too). Who should be the last person we include in our towncore?
@Timsup2nothin
@Made
@Long Con
@hollowkatt
@Syn You're now in the new towncore with me, Tim, Made, HK, and LC. There's six of us, and five of them -- we just chop them one by one now and we win, assuming the six of us are all town! How do you feel about that?