The Syndicate

Also, tell me which of DDL/Snow Dog is my teammate. That's the hypothesis you've created to come to the conclusion that I'm bad. I feel like you're more interested in lynching me for hindsight information than your actual suspicion of me, and I'm not having it.

Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:Thanks for the catch up epi. Any other things you want to catch me up on?

Not really.

If you genuinely hadn't caught up, why do you have to blast people who suspect you?

Why not say, "Hey, I haven't read anything. I intend to, and will when I am able."

Instead you lose your shit. Why?

Nobody is lynching you Day 4. Everybody is lynching Quin.

Why shouldn't I blast people? It might wake them up.

I don't think I'm being lynched. I do think putting people on blast soon sorts out those who are thinking from those that aren't.

Whom are you waking up? You're only bitching at DDL. Don't give me that nonsense. You're not "putting people on blast" either. That's not the same thing as what I said.

My point was you could have explained why you were out (like I did). You didn't do that. You got pissy. Then you tried to turn things around on ME without even reading the thread. Shame on you if you are a civilian, and I hope you get killed if you're bad.

Quin wrote:Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

A soft indy. Get the fuck out of here.

No, you're gauging my reaction to this to see if your team ought to kill me tonight.

You're bad at this, Quin.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:Thanks for the catch up epi. Any other things you want to catch me up on?

Not really.

If you genuinely hadn't caught up, why do you have to blast people who suspect you?

Why not say, "Hey, I haven't read anything. I intend to, and will when I am able."

Instead you lose your shit. Why?

Nobody is lynching you Day 4. Everybody is lynching Quin.

Why shouldn't I blast people? It might wake them up.

I don't think I'm being lynched. I do think putting people on blast soon sorts out those who are thinking from those that aren't.

Whom are you waking up? You're only bitching at DDL. Don't give me that nonsense. You're not "putting people on blast" either. That's not the same thing as what I said.

My point was you could have explained why you were out (like I did). You didn't do that. You got pissy. Then you tried to turn things around on ME without even reading the thread. Shame on you if you are a civilian, and I hope you get killed if you're bad.

Bollocks. I never tried to turn it on you. I was just pointing out how little thought ddl put into it.

And if you can tell me the difference between 'blasting people' and 'putting them on blast' id like to know.

Ddl gave 6 names he believed should be killed by the vig... not because they were bad, but just because they didn't contribute during a single particular day. Explain to me why that doesn't deserve firm scrutiny?

I'm not 'pissy'. I'm pursuing what I saw as a bullshit attempt to appear contributory without actually being. I'd have no issue lynchind ddl, and if he is bad I'm willing to bet not one of those 6 are on his team.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

A soft indy. Get the fuck out of here.

No, you're gauging my reaction to this to see if your team ought to kill me tonight.

You're bad at this, Quin.

No, I just don't see a situation where you could be behaving this irrationally if you were a civ. And your baddie game is better than this. Your argument against me doesn't make sense, you're using crappy examples to back it up, you still haven't addressed my counter to your case, and this is just one occurrence of this behaviour. Your interaction with Spacedaisy about your unfounded trust of Long Con is yet another example of this.

If I was gonna throw a role at you now, I'd say you're the recruiter and that you've taken Long Con for the ride.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:Thanks for the catch up epi. Any other things you want to catch me up on?

Not really.

If you genuinely hadn't caught up, why do you have to blast people who suspect you?

Why not say, "Hey, I haven't read anything. I intend to, and will when I am able."

Instead you lose your shit. Why?

Nobody is lynching you Day 4. Everybody is lynching Quin.

Why shouldn't I blast people? It might wake them up.

I don't think I'm being lynched. I do think putting people on blast soon sorts out those who are thinking from those that aren't.

Whom are you waking up? You're only bitching at DDL. Don't give me that nonsense. You're not "putting people on blast" either. That's not the same thing as what I said.

My point was you could have explained why you were out (like I did). You didn't do that. You got pissy. Then you tried to turn things around on ME without even reading the thread. Shame on you if you are a civilian, and I hope you get killed if you're bad.

Bollocks. I never tried to turn it on you. I was just pointing out how little thought ddl put into it.

WHAT ABOUT EPI? WHAT ABOUT EPI?

Golden wrote:And if you can tell me the difference between 'blasting people' and 'putting them on blast' id like to know.

My intended meaning, as you can see from the context, is that you don't act rudely toward someone coming at you for not being around. Putting someone "on blast" is a stupid teenager phase that means to ridicule someone in front of others. You didn't ridicule others.

Golden wrote:Ddl gave 6 names he believed should be killed by the vig... not because they were bad, but just because they didn't contribute during a single particular day. Explain to me why that doesn't deserve firm scrutiny?

I'm not 'pissy'. I'm pursuing what I saw as a bullshit attempt to appear contributory without actually being. I'd have no issue lynchind ddl, and if he is bad I'm willing to bet not one of those 6 are on his team.

You can do better than that.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

A soft indy. Get the fuck out of here.

No, you're gauging my reaction to this to see if your team ought to kill me tonight.

You're bad at this, Quin.

No, I just don't see a situation where you could be behaving this irrationally if you were a civ. And your baddie game is better than this. Your argument against me doesn't make sense, you're using crappy examples to back it up, you still haven't addressed my counter to your case, and this is just one occurrence of this behaviour. Your interaction with Spacedaisy about your unfounded trust of Long Con is yet another example of this.

"This irrationally?" What have I said that was irrational? Everything I've said is based in the thread.

3J said the same thing about me in the last game we were in.

He was the serial killer.

Keep going.

whatevs. Look at things however you want. I really can't be bothered engaging with people who want to tell me I'm doing things I'm not, don't want to listen, and decide to play word semantics.

DDL deserves all the scrutiny he gets.

Quin wrote:If I was gonna throw a role at you now, I'd say you're the recruiter and that you've taken Long Con for the ride.

"Epi, you're irrational. Oh hey, I'm going to make up something about you now."

Fuck outta here with that (which here means the phrase you just said is unwanted, unwarranted, and unwise).

I wanna visit the office to! Dr Orwell here I come.

By the way, ddl handled the scrutiny fine. You seem to have taken it worse, despite the fact I wasn't even scrutinising you.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

A soft indy. Get the fuck out of here.

No, you're gauging my reaction to this to see if your team ought to kill me tonight.

You're bad at this, Quin.

No, I just don't see a situation where you could be behaving this irrationally if you were a civ. And your baddie game is better than this. Your argument against me doesn't make sense, you're using crappy examples to back it up, you still haven't addressed my counter to your case, and this is just one occurrence of this behaviour. Your interaction with Spacedaisy about your unfounded trust of Long Con is yet another example of this.

"This irrationally?" What have I said that was irrational? Everything I've said is based in the thread.

3J said the same thing about me in the last game we were in.

He was the serial killer.

Keep going.

I literally just gave you two examples of you behaving irrationally.

Whether I'm civ or not doesn't make you any less irrational. 3J being the SK didn't make you any less irrational in that game either. I don't make up reasons to accuse people that aren't legitimate. You most definitely know that considering you were my teammate in Mad Max.

I don't care what irrational behavior you accuse me of. I don't care what's rational. I do what wins.

Honestly I'm seeing the Epi/Quin thing as civ on civ. I think the mafia is lying low. I'll have more thoughts tomorrow who knows maybe the doctor will give me something to go on.

You're not doing a very good job of it right now.

That wasn't directed at you sig, I'd never say something like that to you

Quin wrote:You're not doing a very good job of it right now.

What am I not doing a good job of?

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:You're not doing a very good job of it right now.

What am I not doing a good job of?

If you're civ, winning.

Quin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:You're not doing a very good job of it right now.

What am I not doing a good job of?

If you're civ, winning.

Well, uh.

Quin wrote:Putting down Epi as a soft Indy. I don't think he's bad, but he's being too irrational to be civ.

You have me down as an independent.

Tell me how exactly I am not being rational with you specifically. Lay it out for me.

I literally just did like 5 posts back.

Quin wrote:I literally just did like 5 posts back.

It wouldn't kill you to quote it.

QUIN IS BAD
ELOH IS BAD
GOLDEN IS BAD

I'm calling you clowns out.

If anybody else thinks I'm being irrational, please speak up.

Epignosis wrote:QUIN IS BAD
ELOH IS BAD
GOLDEN IS BAD

I'm calling you clowns out.

Fine with me. Here's my number, call me a clown maybe.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:QUIN IS BAD
ELOH IS BAD
GOLDEN IS BAD

I'm calling you clowns out.

Fine with me. Here's my number, call me a clown maybe.

You're third on the list. Relax a minute.

Epignosis wrote:If anybody else thinks I'm being irrational, please speak up.

I think you are being perfectly rational. You're the only person who has expressed a legitimate reason to suspect me. It strikes me as very rational to suspect quin right now.

Rational does not mean correct.

Linki @epi - why are you so convinced I'm pissy and not relaxed? I'm on holiday - I'm chilled as. I literally do not care that you suspect me one iota. Ive long ago learned that you can be stubbornly wrong and the only way to snap you out of it is to hit you over the head with a shell. I'm not sure where the shell will come from, but I'm not going to talk my way out of it. I have to make you realise it on your own. It still doesn't make you right.

I hope you don't die tonight. I think you're probably civ.

Quin wrote:Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

I generally wouldn't LD "I think" statements because I can't say with absolute certainty what a player thinks.

DFaraday wrote:

Quin wrote:Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

I generally wouldn't LD "I think" statements because I can't say with absolute certainty what a player thinks.

Untrue.

Epignosis wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Quin wrote:Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

I generally wouldn't LD "I think" statements because I can't say with absolute certainty what a player thinks.

Untrue.

Epi has been modkilled.

Hang on, dontbwe find out the role card in a modkill?

DFaraday wrote:

Quin wrote:Frankly, I think the whole thing stands. If I took anything from the kerfuffle in The Office its that lie detectors can only check things phrased as a statement, rather than a thought or assumption. I'm assuming it follows the same thing here.

Want to chime in, DF?

I generally wouldn't LD "I think" statements because I can't say with absolute certainty what a player thinks.

well howdy do


also, lucky break.

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If anybody else thinks I'm being irrational, please speak up.

I think you are being perfectly rational. You're the only person who has expressed a legitimate reason to suspect me. It strikes me as very rational to suspect quin right now.

Rational does not mean correct.

Linki @epi - why are you so convinced I'm pissy and not relaxed? I'm on holiday - I'm chilled as. I literally do not care that you suspect me one iota. Ive long ago learned that you can be stubbornly wrong and the only way to snap you out of it is to hit you over the head with a shell. I'm not sure where the shell will come from, but I'm not going to talk my way out of it. I have to make you realise it on your own. It still doesn't make you right.

I hope you don't die tonight. I think you're probably civ.

I don't deny that suspecting me is rational, especially after Dom flipped. But Epi's specific case against me isn't rational at all.

To break it down, he threw a post at me claiming it could be detected even though all signs point towards that not being the case; his accusation rests on the belief that either DDL or Snow Dog is my teammate, and although I've pressed him to elaborate three times now, he still hasn't given me the time of day about it; he's accusing me of fabricating my reads even though he's the last person who should be accusing me of that given that he was my teammate in Mad Max.

He's irrational.



Let me outline:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If anybody else thinks I'm being irrational, please speak up.

I think you are being perfectly rational. You're the only person who has expressed a legitimate reason to suspect me. It strikes me as very rational to suspect quin right now.

Rational does not mean correct.

Linki @epi - why are you so convinced I'm pissy and not relaxed? I'm on holiday - I'm chilled as. I literally do not care that you suspect me one iota. Ive long ago learned that you can be stubbornly wrong and the only way to snap you out of it is to hit you over the head with a shell. I'm not sure where the shell will come from, but I'm not going to talk my way out of it. I have to make you realise it on your own. It still doesn't make you right.

I hope you don't die tonight. I think you're probably civ.

I don't deny that suspecting me is rational, especially after Dom flipped. But Epi's specific case against me isn't rational at all.

To break it down, he threw a post at me claiming it could be detected even though all signs point towards that not being the case; his accusation rests on the belief that either DDL or Snow Dog is my teammate, and although I've pressed him to elaborate three times now, he still hasn't given me the time of day about it; he's accusing me of fabricating my reads even though he's the last person who should be accusing me of that given that he was my teammate in Mad Max.

He's irrational.

ebwop

DFaraday wrote:Upon returning from the office, the rest of the company immediately knew that one of the hypnotized must be the firestarter (a word here meaning arsonist).

Anyway, what's this about?

Quin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Upon returning from the office, the rest of the company immediately knew that one of the hypnotized must be the firestarter (a word here meaning arsonist).

Anyway, what's this about?

An excuse for the non-office people to be the only ones on the poll.

One good thing - we can't just follow one unanimous lynch with another. Quin can wait, and this will force discussion.

DFaraday wrote:INH has been killed by Mr. Poe.

Golden wrote:One good thing - we can't just follow one unanimous lynch with another. Quin can wait, and this will force discussion.

Tell me why my lynch is unanimous.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:One good thing - we can't just follow one unanimous lynch with another. Quin can wait, and this will force discussion.

Tell me why my lynch is unanimous.

You tell me! Because of Dom, it sounds like. Just my perception, of course. But look at what epi said to me 'we're not lynching yiu, we're lynching quin.'

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:One good thing - we can't just follow one unanimous lynch with another. Quin can wait, and this will force discussion.

Tell me why my lynch is unanimous.

You tell me! Because of Dom, it sounds like. Just my perception, of course. But look at what epi said to me 'we're not lynching yiu, we're lynching quin.'

Epi has yet to provide a valid post or interaction that supports his argument, so Epi isn't the most reliable guy right now.

As for Dom's accusations towards me, I don't think he even checked me. His accusation felt more 'heat of the moment' based on the fact that I was the lone off-wagoner than it was built on information. He never even interacted with me before he died, as far as I can recall.

Epignosis wrote:QUIN IS BAD
ELOH IS BAD
GOLDEN IS BAD

I'm calling you clowns out.

Agree, agree, disagree.

Epi, I agree with everything you said, and I don't see evidence of irrationality. If I were hosting, I would accept that LD statement. "I think xxx and yyy are teammates", when xxx is my teammate and yyy isn't, is a 100% no-squirming-room, verifiable lie. It's as simple as it gets, unless you want to accept fancy language like "I can think anything I want! Right now I am thinking I'm Oprah Winfrey, so a LD check on 'I think I'm Oprah!!' comes back true!" No. Just no.

Quin looks very bad to me from this whole interaction. I think he's trying quite hard to discredit you by any means necessary. I get the vibe that, were he a family member, he would be trying to get you put away in a sanitarium just so he can have power of attorney.

And Eloh.... I have a partly finished ISO of her, and she's already twinged my suspicions more than making me feel comfortable.

Golden. Frustrated Civ.

Want to pick up Epi's slack, Long Con? If you agree completely, then you'll tell me which of DDL or Snow Dog is my teammate. Now.

The fact that I have to ask other people to fill in the details of another persons case should be evidence enough that his case is full of holes.