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Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:05 pm
by DharmaHelper
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:02 pm What theory? That LC is bad?
Yeah.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:06 pm
by S~V~S
I still think he's bad. How does this disprove it?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:09 pm
by DharmaHelper
A mafia member that gets penalized for voting for civilians?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:10 pm
by colonialbob
Yeah that would be an awesome mafia role and a pretty bad civ one.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:12 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
I think that role is worse on a civ than a baddie.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:12 pm
by DharmaHelper
colonialbob wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:10 pm Yeah that would be an awesome mafia role and a pretty bad civ one.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:14 pm
by S~V~S
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:09 pm A mafia member that gets penalized for voting for civilians?
I disagree. Nub DH.

I don't think the roles indicate affiliation directly.

That proves nothing except Golden is very evil. We already knew that.

So your game plan for tomorrow, let me guess, Lynch Dom?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:15 pm
by DharmaHelper
What utility would LC's role serve on a mafia team?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:18 pm
by S~V~S
Massive vote manipulation. He votes for his own teammates, never trying hard to build cases, and gets extra votes. Or he does the opposite and is able to save teammates with negative votes.

In the hands of a smart baddie team, the possibilities with that role are endless.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:19 pm
by Epignosis
That is a shitty civilian role if it's a civilian role. It almost guarantees that you would be screwing the pooch unless you played perfectly.

The role makes more sense if you know who the mafia are, in which case, it becomes a risk-reward role. If you voted for your teammates, you grow in strength, but, you know, you voted for your teammates, which could make it a short-term gain, long-term loss.

I recommend lynching Long Con a second time.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:20 pm
by S~V~S
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:19 pm That is a shitty civilian role if it's a civilian role. It almost guarantees that you would be screwing the pooch unless you played perfectly.

The role makes more sense if you know who the mafia are, in which case, it becomes a risk-reward role. If you voted for your teammates, you grow in strength, but, you know, you voted for your teammates, which could make it a short-term gain, long-term loss.

I recommend lynching Long Con a second time.
:nicenod:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:20 pm
by Epignosis
And, just to be clear, regardless of the alignment, I'm glad that role is gone.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:21 pm
by S~V~S
It's like a new thread, off to reread with new eyes.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:22 pm
by DharmaHelper
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:20 pm And, just to be clear, regardless of the alignment, I'm glad that role is gone.
The role isn't gone.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:25 pm
by S~V~S
Today I learned a valuable Mafia lesson; your role doesn't make your affiliation, your gameplay does.

Be safe all :cloud9:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:25 pm
by Epignosis
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:20 pm And, just to be clear, regardless of the alignment, I'm glad that role is gone.
The role isn't gone.
Oh?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:26 pm
by S~V~S
The role says he can't evolve.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:27 pm
by DharmaHelper
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:25 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:20 pm And, just to be clear, regardless of the alignment, I'm glad that role is gone.
The role isn't gone.
Oh?
Word.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:33 pm
by DharmaHelper
I mean fuck it he could be bad and that whole explanation was total garbage IMO so maybe it is a mafia role.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:40 pm
by colonialbob
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:18 pm Massive vote manipulation. He votes for his own teammates, never trying hard to build cases, and gets extra votes. Or he does the opposite and is able to save teammates with negative votes.

In the hands of a smart baddie team, the possibilities with that role are endless.
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:19 pm That is a shitty civilian role if it's a civilian role. It almost guarantees that you would be screwing the pooch unless you played perfectly.

The role makes more sense if you know who the mafia are, in which case, it becomes a risk-reward role. If you voted for your teammates, you grow in strength, but, you know, you voted for your teammates, which could make it a short-term gain, long-term loss.

I recommend lynching Long Con a second time.
:nicenod:

They pretty much nailed it.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:45 pm
by Epignosis
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:27 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:25 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:20 pm And, just to be clear, regardless of the alignment, I'm glad that role is gone.
The role isn't gone.
Oh?
Word.
Why is the role not gone?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:45 pm
by DharmaHelper
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:26 pm The role says he can't evolve.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:52 pm
by Dom
That role makes zero sense as a civ.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:55 pm
by speedchuck
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm LC voted for Quin, Chuck and DDL.
This explains the nutella lynch
As well as... townfirming Quin and I?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm
by DharmaHelper
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm LC voted for Quin, Chuck and DDL.
This explains the nutella lynch
As well as... townfirming Quin and I?
And me.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm
by speedchuck
Oh somebody already said that I'll shut up now K.

DDL is probably bad with LC and LC saved him.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:58 pm
by Quin
:hug:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:34 pm So quin and Chuck 1.0 are confirmed civs.
yeah but don't night kill me plz

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:58 pm
by speedchuck
Dom is not scum with LC. He would not have done anything to lead to this lynch. Gives us too much info.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
by S~V~S
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm LC voted for Quin, Chuck and DDL.
This explains the nutella lynch
As well as... townfirming Quin and I?
Why would you think this? It's possible but nothing is proven.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
by DharmaHelper
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm Oh somebody already said that I'll shut up now K.

DDL is probably bad with LC and LC saved him.
Easiest game ever tbqh.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
by speedchuck
DDL/LC scumteam

If I die, lynch them both until they stop breathing.

If I don't die, I'll help.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:02 pm
by speedchuck
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm LC voted for Quin, Chuck and DDL.
This explains the nutella lynch
As well as... townfirming Quin and I?
Why would you think this? It's possible but nothing is proven.
It's probable.

For the Nutella lynch to even be close to overtaking the DDL lynch, lots of negative votes would have to be on DDL or lots of positives on nutella. Furthermore, confusing roles like LC's role are more likely to be overlooked in a complicated game like this (Sorry Mods, all the respect for your game).

There could be other vote manipulators, but this is pretty perfect.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:06 pm
by S~V~S
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm LC voted for Quin, Chuck and DDL.
This explains the nutella lynch
As well as... townfirming Quin and I?
Why would you think this? It's possible but nothing is proven.
It's probable.

For the Nutella lynch to even be close to overtaking the DDL lynch, lots of negative votes would have to be on DDL or lots of positives on nutella. Furthermore, confusing roles like LC's role are more likely to be overlooked in a complicated game like this (Sorry Mods, all the respect for your game).

There could be other vote manipulators, but this is pretty perfect.
Agreed, probable. But confirmed equals "fact" and there are no facts so far in this game so far as affilation goes. And people proclaiming themselves confirmed when they aren't gets my Spidey senses spideying.

But yeah probable works.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:08 pm
by speedchuck
Psh, I make assumptions all of the time. It's how I POE. Doesn't seem to be harmful unless I refuse to reevaluate them.

Quin will be treated like a townfirm by me until I find reason not to.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:09 pm
by S~V~S
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:08 pm Psh, I make assumptions all of the time. It's how I POE. Doesn't seem to be harmful unless I refuse to reevaluate them.

Quin will be treated like a townfirm by me until I find reason not to.
Me too, he didn't declare himself confirmed ;)

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:10 pm
by speedchuck
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:08 pm Psh, I make assumptions all of the time. It's how I POE. Doesn't seem to be harmful unless I refuse to reevaluate them.

Quin will be treated like a townfirm by me until I find reason not to.
Me too, he didn't declare himself confirmed ;)
Oh, you. :grin:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:11 pm
by Dom
Wait... why is anyone town-cleared?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:12 pm
by Dom
DDL had -2 already. That tied him with nutella, no?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:14 pm
by speedchuck
Dom wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:12 pm DDL had -2 already. That tied him with nutella, no?
Did he? I wasn't paying attention, apparently.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:19 pm
by S~V~S
Dom wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:12 pm DDL had -2 already. That tied him with nutella, no?
I believe so. And I feel Quin is probable. Not just for the LC votes. Chuck waffles me, I didn't like his reaction to the whole LC situation, but I don't like alot of things, doesn't mean I'm right. LC was on my civvie list, so I am spending time reanalyzing my reads.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:20 pm
by Dom
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:14 pm
Dom wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:12 pm DDL had -2 already. That tied him with nutella, no?
Did he? I wasn't paying attention, apparently.
His role

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:24 pm
by S~V~S
DDL had 6 including LC and Nutella had 3 including DDL. So it wasn't tied, was it?

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:24 pm
by Dom
oo i done bad a math my bad

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:25 pm
by Dom
i divided :fist:

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:25 pm
by Dom
(i teach math fam)

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:26 pm
by S~V~S
Those are unmanipulated votes as shown in the poll

Linki silly math teacher

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:31 pm
by Epignosis
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm LC voted for Quin, Chuck and DDL.
This explains the nutella lynch
As well as... townfirming Quin and I?
No.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:32 pm
by Epignosis
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:55 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:14 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm LC voted for Quin, Chuck and DDL.
This explains the nutella lynch
As well as... townfirming Quin and I?
And me.
No.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:41 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
DharmaHelper wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm Oh somebody already said that I'll shut up now K.

DDL is probably bad with LC and LC saved him.
Easiest game ever tbqh.
Isn't it. Silly Golden, giving away his teammate like this, in a faction that probably only has 2 people, knowing his role would reveal everything when it flipped.

Re: Pikachu Tribe - Night 4

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:41 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
Silly LC*