Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[Spacedaisy]

I think there is a good reason why Epi is not a good vote though Golden. I believe there is a good thread based reason to think Epi is civ. Emphasis on believe, I don't know anything for certain, but it looked pretty straightforward to me.

That was a catch up post where I put all my thoughts as I went. Have I voted for you? No. In fact I said that what I think sig's alignment is would affect the way I felt about you. You are getting defensive of me off an old read.

However, I do think people should be more wary of claims they can't prove.

[Epignosis]

Also, I already set aside my suspicion of Scotty on your say so, so don't sweat over me. It's Scotty you might have to convince, lol.

I want to move my vote off Kyle, but I'm unsure where I want to put it.

Epi, it's insulting to me that you think I would utilize the OT color for a game strategy. That is an out of bounds move imo. Whether I am bad or good I would never ever put game strategy into OT green. It's a shitty accusation.

You're right. Of all people, I don't think you'd do that.

I'll move my vote when I'm ready.

[Golden]

I believe there is a good thread based reason to think Epi is civ. Emphasis on believe, I don't know anything for certain, but it looked pretty straightforward to me.

I don't know what you're referring to. Is it too dangerous to point it out?

[Kylemii]

Kyle, I find the claim questionable. 1. It's a really easy win con. 2. It's weird to put a civ into BTSC with an indy who's only win con is to predict a couple night poll outcomes. Seems more likely a set up to use you for credibility to me. What happens if TH predicts two outcomes and then suddenly gains an extra power or becomes like Lynch immune or something of that nature? There is a danger in just sitting back and watching if he goes away, it may be that he is wanting us to wait until it's too late. This concerns me.

if TH is mafia and the result of that gambit is anything other than a lynch immunity then the gambit is a bad gambit. if TH achievew his goal and vanishes then cool, if he achieves his wincon and doesn't vanish then we can deal with that then.

there's obviously ways he could be lying, and tbh i've been running under the assumption that he could possibly be lying for most of the game, but it doesn't seem important to me to fixate on it when it's incredibly easy to just, find out if he's telling the truth by making his thing happen. if he doesn't disappear after predicting elections twice in a row then we could just lynch him, and then he's a dead time cop.

on the other side of the coin, if TH was mafia that had some kind of mega power that was fueled by rigging elections wouldn't 2 still be kinda low?

[Epignosis]

Whether I am bad or good I would never ever put game strategy into OT green. It's a shitty accusation.

Epi hasn't made a single accusation with merit in the entire game in my opinion.

It's why this is the second day in a row I'm voting for him. He feels more like a parody of himself to me. It could just be a function of time.

From a game I'm not in:

And im trying to feel like Epi and use complex things that make little sense to solve shush and let me have this moment. ;(

Maybe you should see if you an find a single instance of Epi catching baddies like that before you go whole hog on it.

I don't give a shit about what people think has merit.

[Golden]

I don’t give a shit that you don’t give a shit about what people think has merit.

[Epignosis]

I don’t give a shit that you don’t give a shit about what people think has merit.

Then you're halfway to enlightenment, young man.

[Quin]

I condemn using OT as a scum strategy. It's for use unrelated to mafia. Don't exploit it.

[Spacedaisy]

But Kyle how likely is a win con like that for a 3P? It's too easy! He wants us to wait, which makes me worry then it will be too late. He is putting us off until the time when it best serves him. And I have exactly zero reasons to believe this is not to the civs detriment.

Golden, if I am right then yeah I would rather not draw attention to it. I'll read back again and see if I misread or it changes my opinion. but right now my vote would not be on Epi.

Quin, I didn't.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

I still think he's a charlatan.

[Epignosis]

I condemn using OT as a scum strategy. It's for use unrelated to mafia. Don't exploit it.

I agree. I've witnessed people using similar tactics when bad, but I do believe Spacedaisy is above that, so I withdraw my criticism.

[Spacedaisy]

Epi, I will endeavor not to use the OT green to communicate something I need a prompt answer regarding in the future, because I understand how it affects the way you will read both parties. I apologize for reacting as I did.

[MacDougall]

Mac, I proved myself to him. It had nothing to do with his role.

Golden, I was starting to worry about you.

How is this in any way accurate when he explicitly implied that you alignment claimed in some way that only he could tell?

I'm sick of being made to feel like I am being irrational when people keep doing things like this. The list of people actually applying rationalisation in this game is as short as Epi's penis.

[Epignosis]

Epi, I will endeavor not to use the OT green to communicate something I need a prompt answer regarding in the future, because I understand how it affects the way you will read both parties. I apologize for reacting as I did.

Nah, you're cool. Ignore me. I've been up in a hot ass attic tonight.

[Spacedaisy]

You aren't irrational. I can understand your hesitance to trust anyone. I will defend Golden at this point though because he could have ignored it and thrown me to the wolves but he didn't. It confirms to me I am right in my belief he is a civ. Baddies don't eliminate people as lynch candidates if they can help it.

Now my problem is who do I not trust?

Right now I lean TH.

Epi

[Epignosis]

I need a drink. Excuse me.

[Epignosis]

I have a Southern Comfort on the rocks. Judge me not.

[Quin]

But Kyle how likely is a win con like that for a 3P? It's too easy! He wants us to wait, which makes me worry then it will be too late. He is putting us off until the time when it best serves him. And I have exactly zero reasons to believe this is not to the civs detriment.

Golden, if I am right then yeah I would rather not draw attention to it. I'll read back again and see if I misread or it changes my opinion. but right now my vote would not be on Epi.

Quin, I didn't.

No, I know. I'm just saying.

[Spacedaisy]

[mention]lapluie[/mention] Can you give me your opinion on the following people:

TurnipHead
Kylemii
ColinisCool
Choutas
Lunalee
insertnamehere

Is there anything that you've seen that stands out to you?

[Quin]

I have a Southern Comfort on the rocks. Judge me not.

Next you'll be joining my mother at Saturday morning bingo with the rest of the old bags.

[Epignosis]

I would lynch either lapluie or INH. I stand by my Zeph thing and lapluie is tied to that. INH needs to work on his script. Also, I don't think he's a civilian. He called himself "not a threat to the civilians" and no amount of shit he can throw at me in his script means that's the same thing as addressing the civilians in the third person. He called himself "not a threat to the civilians."

[Epignosis]

I have a Southern Comfort on the rocks. Judge me not.

Next you'll be joining my mother at Saturday morning bingo with the rest of the old bags.

Is that an old woman drink? For real?

[Quin]

I have a Southern Comfort on the rocks. Judge me not.

Next you'll be joining my mother at Saturday morning bingo with the rest of the old bags.

Is that an old woman drink? For real?

All the oldies in my family drink it, anyway. They also love bingo.

[Kylemii]

But Kyle how likely is a win con like that for a 3P? It's too easy! He wants us to wait, which makes me worry then it will be too late. He is putting us off until the time when it best serves him. And I have exactly zero reasons to believe this is not to the civs detriment.

the likeliness doesn't seem that important when it could be determined by just waiting til day 3. the only way it all could be faked long term is if the mafia has a power that fakes vanishings or i guess if they just killed him, or if the benefit gained from basically just surviving til day 3 was strong enough to ensure his survival or his team's win, which as you mentioned would be an incredibly easy thing to do with not only the aid of his mason pal's vote but also a whole mafia team worth of night votes

the reason i don't believe that's what he's doing is because it's the kind of plan that could have it's end result taken place without doing the plan at all. why would he have done any of that stuff when he could just.... not do it and still get whatever the thing is he'd get from predicting 2 night poll results, or surviving til day 3 or whatever?

idk maybe i'm being naive, maybe i'm assuming turnip head would only lie if he had a huge and cool master plan, maybe he's bad and he's actually just been winging it this whole time

[Epignosis]

I'm not a doctor. I was trying to draw a kill, but that isn't going to happen now.

[Scotty]

Perhaps the most obvious thing to me is that Spacedaisy is spending half her time in this game in some form of BTSC.

[MacDougall]

I'm not a doctor. I was trying to draw a kill, but that isn't going to happen now.

Oh, yay.

[Scotty]

No need to believe Scotty, I can independently verify it's the truth.

I don’t know how you can verify that from your end. Is that because you found me? The world’s lamest game of hide and seek, this was

[Scotty]

This game is fucking weird.

Yes.

That TH would be masons with Kyle and TH is most def some sort of indie, and Kyle is...not another indie? He could be anything.

Hell, Nutella was mason with nijuu in GoC and one of them was mafia. So I’ve seen it happen.

[Spacedaisy]

I put my vote on TH for the moment. i'm not sure it's staying there. [VOTE: turniphead] aubergine

[Scotty]

OK. So Scotty and Epi both claim doctor. Who’s #3?

it's possible one is a doctor and the other is The Doctor

fuck he's right

[Scotty]

counterpoint?

it's weird as hell to put an indie and civ randomly in btsc together, like the btsc isn't even what my role is about, it doesn't have anything to do with TH's role either apparently, it seems to just be a thing that happened cus our characters are both grumpy dudes.

but like,.... if turnip head is telling the truth about his role and wincon then this is an odd choice for a masonic group, it's not as helpful as a true masonry but it's not as dangerous as a true mixmason either, it's just me kinda using Turniphead as a sounding board for ideas and crazy theories like about how maybe everyone else is paired off into masons too and talking about our favorite breakfast cereals.

it's kinda great actually

No. I am lonely.

sorry the theory was that everyone else was also masons, us talking about cereal was a separate thing. if everyone in the game had a btsc chat where they specifically talked about cereal that would be a crazy coincidence

Ah yes the ole cereal scumslip

[Quin]

If someone asks you what your favourite kind of cereal is and they tell you that they don't eat cereal, they're bad.

[Quin]

woah i really need to proof read my fluff

[Kylemii]

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] you voted for me earlier, and don't believe TH's claim then why wouldn't you just assume that i am also lying and TH's teammate

[Scotty]

Kyle, I find the claim questionable. 1. It's a really easy win con. 2. It's weird to put a civ into BTSC with an indy who's only win con is to predict a couple night poll outcomes. Seems more likely a set up to use you for credibility to me. What happens if TH predicts two outcomes and then suddenly gains an extra power or becomes like Lynch immune or something of that nature? There is a danger in just sitting back and watching if he goes away, it may be that he is wanting us to wait until it's too late. This concerns me.

I really don't understand why claims get so readily accepted by some. This is closed set up with no flips. frankly a sacrifice of a single baddie with a false claim can easily lead to multiple civ mislynches. Because we can't prove or disapprove a damn thing. Mac is basing his reads of who is scum upon sig. While I agree that I think sig looked bad, sig frequently looks bad and isn't. The point here is that we don't know anything. I think sig was probably bad too, but I don't know it and I'm not about to go lynch people just because they voted him in a stupid night poll.

Mac, I proved myself to him. It had nothing to do with his role.

Golden, I was starting to worry about you.

In case you can't tell, I don't believe most of the stuff people are saying.

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Will the real slim-baddie please stand up?

[Kylemii]

If someone asks you what your favourite kind of cereal is and they tell you that they don't eat cereal, they're bad.

people who skip breakfast are the real life mafia

[MacDougall]

If you had to lynch one of;

Lunalee
Choutas
Lapluie

Who shall it be?

[MacDougall]

Kyle, I find the claim questionable. 1. It's a really easy win con. 2. It's weird to put a civ into BTSC with an indy who's only win con is to predict a couple night poll outcomes. Seems more likely a set up to use you for credibility to me. What happens if TH predicts two outcomes and then suddenly gains an extra power or becomes like Lynch immune or something of that nature? There is a danger in just sitting back and watching if he goes away, it may be that he is wanting us to wait until it's too late. This concerns me.

I really don't understand why claims get so readily accepted by some. This is closed set up with no flips. frankly a sacrifice of a single baddie with a false claim can easily lead to multiple civ mislynches. Because we can't prove or disapprove a damn thing. Mac is basing his reads of who is scum upon sig. While I agree that I think sig looked bad, sig frequently looks bad and isn't. The point here is that we don't know anything. I think sig was probably bad too, but I don't know it and I'm not about to go lynch people just because they voted him in a stupid night poll.

Mac, I proved myself to him. It had nothing to do with his role.

Golden, I was starting to worry about you.

In case you can't tell, I don't believe most of the stuff people are saying.

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Will the real slim-baddie please stand up?

Because Spacedaisy is the kind of player who just rolls around scumslipping everywhere.

[Golden]

I have a Southern Comfort on the rocks. Judge me not.

I judgeth not on drink choices.

[MacDougall]

The completely objective list of players in order of most likely good to most likely bad without me on it because I hate it when people do that.

-Scotty
-Golden
-Spacedaisy
-Quin
-Epignosis
-Coliniscool
-insertnamehere
-Kylemii
-Lunalee
-Turnip Head
-Choutas
-Lapluie
-Sig

This is different from the completely subjective list of who Mac thinks is bad btw.

I have left Zeph and Nutella off because they were lynched and sig seems like he's gonna come back.

[MacDougall]

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[MacDougall]

God damn it

[Golden]

No need to believe Scotty, I can independently verify it's the truth.

I don’t know how you can verify that from your end. Is that because you found me? The world’s lamest game of hide and seek, this was

You know I’m correct, though.

[Golden]

The completely objective list of players in order of most likely good to most likely bad without me on it because I hate it when people do that.

I know, right? Me too.

[Golden]

If you had to lynch one of;

Lunalee
Choutas
Lapluie

Who shall it be?

My order

Luna
Lap
Choutas

(from most to least bad)

[Scotty]

Here’s where I’m at:

I feel like someone would have raised a fit by now if they were also searching for me. My role mentions someone trying to find me, but I don’t know what happens or whatnot. So cool, golden found me.

That I had that function and supposedly cool shit happens now, I can’t not trust Golden. Especially since no one else is claiming to find me.

On that note, he also found Daisy. I don’t know to what extent, but I have a hard time not listening to Golden as the first person I’d go to when I can’t find the remote. Ergo I should trust Daisy.

I’m on higher alert for Epi, who I was nodding my head with and thought he was finding some good stuff against sig...and yet voted for INH during that day...

I think that losing TH is a shrug but also could be annoying if we need his vote when he farts off to Eden.

Also lap is playing this game. Lest we forget, because I did forget.

These names are most ambiguous to me, in order of me most likely to lynch to least likely to lynch:

Epi
Lap
Luna

I feel ok about Colin, and I guess I’m neutral about Quin. He could have got good info from someone, known both were on opposite teams, and we just mislynched sig and INH is a candidate for the Green Party. Could be, I guess. I don’t have info in my role so I don’t reallt know shit and have to take info one letter at a time.

[mention]Quin[/mention] are you still actually claiming stump? Does that mean you are currently a stump and your vote doesn’t count right or it has to activate?

[Spacedaisy]

@Spacedaisy you voted for me earlier, and don't believe TH's claim then why wouldn't you just assume that i am also lying and TH's teammate

I can see a baddie team putting one player at risk, that is acceptable. I can't see them putting two people at risk for the same lie. I find TH less believable.

[MacDougall]

If Sig is bad, he triggered his effect at a random part of the day. Surely his teammates would have been going after him at that juncture safe in the knowledge he wasn't going to be lynched?

[Scotty]

If you had to lynch one of;

Lunalee
Choutas
Lapluie

Who shall it be?

I need to do a proper iso of Luna and lap but currently lap but only because I don’t remember her input.

Luna was doing some protection of sig so if we’re assuming sky is bad then maybe Luna can jump up. Dunno, will look through.

Choutas’ recent post I liked. Looks like he’s having a tough go of it, but I found myself nodding with his recent reads. Sorta. More like a halfway nod like that Pepsi commercial from the 80’s