The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:43 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:42 pm3 confirmed town? what do you mean

Tutu is cop, peek on Alison and on Urist. Urist could be godfather, but I don't want to live in that world.

I think it's extremely unwise to treat Urist as confirmed town. He shouldn't be executed any time soon but confirmed town is a huge step.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:10 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:06 pm 1612 please don't talk about OGI stuff even more than you already have. It's a violation of game integrity.

Huh, my opinion was that reading people scum is all about IRL reads. I don't think this is necessarily too much OGI or maybe I am wrong? It jsut seemed like a lot of people thought he was scummy for an obvious fake cop claim so I am giving some people context and not let people automatically scumread Lavendar. Or is explaining that OGI, too? If that is so, I will not talk about it anymore. I just thought you guys were saying how Nanoook is easier to read for you guys so I was trying to do the same.

Hey 1612, it's appreciated! But technically in forum mafia, anything that happens outside of the confines of the actual game thread would be considered OGI. Hope that makes sense!

no, this doesn't really make sense to me. i think u r misunderstanding 1612's question. iirc at least 2 ppl called u town d1 because u were playing similar in this game to how u played town in another game. in fact, it seems like pretty much all y'alls d1 is based on discussing player meta, hell ur first question to me was asking me about whether how often i use reaction checking in my playstyle. i think that's what 1612 means by IRL reads

i assumed the criticism of 1612 was bringing up the OGI relating to DMs, which is against the rules of this site as i understand them. if i am misunderstanding, please let me know [mention]1612[/mention] [mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

My n0 peek is Alison (she can't be godfather)
My n1 peek is Urist, town. He mechanically can be godfather but shouldn't be considered for yeet before LyLo as Godfather flip clears him. Additionally

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:47 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:21 pm RIP Scirrus, you died.

If the cop has 2 checks still alive they should definitely claim. If they only have 1 they should claim if it's a red.

actually if the mafia have a godfather, it might not be worth claiming with 2 greens.
It brings the PoE to 8 with 2-3 mafia in that 8. Assuming the cop is killed tonight and a green is killed the following night, we have 1 non-goon in 7p. Which tbh is not that helpful unless it was someone who'd be banished otherwise.
But the n0 check is never the gf right? So that one is guaranteed. Hopefully it wasn't Nanook.
Whatever, use your own judgement.

I believe this post is a good look on Urist. If he is the Godfather, he is shooting himself in the foot. Unless you want to argue that this is WIFOM and he as the Godfather is purposely shooting himself in the foot to make it seem like not a Godfather. But then that's probably a bit too of an advanced Mafia play which isn't consistent with the fact that he let himself be put in a position to have 50% chance to be the yeet D1? But the biggest factor imo is the fact that I believe that regardless of how good as a Mafia player he is in terms of communicating and making good reads, he understands mechanics. He was the only one like me to get annoyed at people being like "uh oh why mech test scirrus? no point" and he also just like me immediately identified Scirrus's soft claim and had a gut reaction to publicly point it out. It seems ridiculous to me that if he is Mafia he couldn't find me as cop here and kill me night 1. And on top of that, even if he is Mafia and he couldn't cop read me, I think it makes no sense for him to be happy with the mafia team killing Scirrus instead of Cop hunting. Mafia killing Scirrus is an obvious mistake on their part. And with that, let me move on to Proto

Proto believes Mafia killing Scirrus was the standard play. It's obviously not, because the Cop has unlimited checks, and killing 1 clear (Scirrus) doesn't do anything as it gets replaced immediately with another clear by the Cop, or even worse, a guilty check. I believe this is a bad look for Proto and everyone from his community - Lavender, Jeraldo, 1612, as well as cobbler who has said he is newish to Mafia I believe. If Proto believes killing Scirrus is standard then that probably means the rest of these ppl also believe so?

Dizzy is obvious town for the amount of transparency, emotions, and "fragrancy" he expresses ITT.

Michelle I have as very strong town still due to her fighting tooth and nail against any and all kind of pressure. At one point she was preoccupied with clearing her name and being annoyed at scumreads more so than anything else ("who told you that since im champs player i cant be exe bait?") which just screams genuine to me. Perhaps her brain works like mine and Dizzy's, since he is also townreading her for the same reason. And all 3 of us are very likely town.

Lavender is a wild card. I really really hated how he sussed me a few hours before the Night ended, I was convinced I was the kill and he was doing it to look towny. Me not dying makes me reconsider. But I'm still in the mindset to scumread him, and my gut reaction is to think that he perhaps pussied out of killing me because of how much I FoSed him. It could be, it could not be what happened.

Lavender wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:59 pm ALSO

tutuu, i'd like to formally retract my townread on u and insert a scumread in its place

reasons

1) abysmal reasoning for voting lc/nanook, this is the best i could find:

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:01 pm [VOTE: Nanook] aubergine let it rand

2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason), and entirely unjustified scum reads. most of your posts lately are just asking for scumcases. like why so interested in a scumcase on mp7 from urist??

3) i don't see a coherent reason for why nanook flipping town would make your reads go from this:

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:57 pm urist and nanook both maf

idk whos the last maf. maybe like 1612 or lavender or cobbler or something. someone who fooled us.

to this:

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:00 am i think jeraldooo and 1612 are both mafia

i'd be especially interested in an explanation for 3)

ps: the reason michelle is town to me is that she claimed villy when pressured, i'd like to give her enough credit to claim pr if mafia
pps: 1612 is confirmed mafia lol

i'm going to get off for a while after this, but ill be here for the next 10 minutes for a quick ama

(e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)

He basically spells it out. He spells it out himself that I have no reason to townread Alison. Or at least it's for a "mysterious" reason. I would be puzzled if he's scum and he couldn't put two plus two together and figure out Alison was my n0. I feel like it's a good look for him? But I think he is a good player, way better than he is being perceived as. I think he is capable of fooling us.

Cobbler - everyone including myself townread this guy for a reason that could have been very silly. I think we should all take a step back and consider. Cobber: "Dizzy said that luckily I'm town. I think he scumslipped. Anyone else noticed that" - is literally the only reason I townread him for. This is good enough for an early D1 reads but I don't think this holds up now considering how much has happened.

MP7 im locking as town due to her reaction to the fake peek and eagerness to immediately jump to doing ISOs. If she is mafia she knoew my peek on 1612 is fake regardless of 1612's alignment, but she didn't show it at all.

jeraldo i find no reason to townread.

1612 im going to treat like i have a pseudo town peek on him. (i dont think he's mafia goon)

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:47 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:10 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:06 pm 1612 please don't talk about OGI stuff even more than you already have. It's a violation of game integrity.

Huh, my opinion was that reading people scum is all about IRL reads. I don't think this is necessarily too much OGI or maybe I am wrong? It jsut seemed like a lot of people thought he was scummy for an obvious fake cop claim so I am giving some people context and not let people automatically scumread Lavendar. Or is explaining that OGI, too? If that is so, I will not talk about it anymore. I just thought you guys were saying how Nanoook is easier to read for you guys so I was trying to do the same.

Hey 1612, it's appreciated! But technically in forum mafia, anything that happens outside of the confines of the actual game thread would be considered OGI. Hope that makes sense!

no, this doesn't really make sense to me. i think u r misunderstanding 1612's question. iirc at least 2 ppl called u town d1 because u were playing similar in this game to how u played town in another game. in fact, it seems like pretty much all y'alls d1 is based on discussing player meta, hell ur first question to me was asking me about whether how often i use reaction checking in my playstyle. i think that's what 1612 means by IRL reads

i assumed the criticism of 1612 was bringing up the OGI relating to DMs, which is against the rules of this site as i understand them. if i am misunderstanding, please let me know @1612 @M Plus 7

I don't know Lavendar, but I'm going to try to respect the gameplay here and not interfere

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:25 pmDerping is sweet when is spontaneous. Idk if i am right but is what i felt reading that.

What do you mean by this, Michelle?

Confirmed town:
tutuu
Alison

Town town town:
Dizzy
MP7

Town town town but with slight caveats:
Urist (mechanically they could still be godfather)
1612(mechanically they could still be godfather. they can't be goon if you think my reaction test was solid AND his reaction was also solid)

Towny:
Michelle

Sketchballs:
Lavender
cobbler
jeraldooo

re: was it right for the mafia to kill Scirrus?

Mechanically speaking, it is correct for the mafia to kill Scirrus if they believe the Godfather will be checked N1. And if Urist is the Godfather, he probably thinks he's being checked N1 as the counterwagon to nanook.

Fuck. My dinner is going cold while I'm desperately trying to figure out wtf is going on here =p

Be back soon

Anyway I agree that we're never executing Urist or 1612 until ExLo since a GF flip clears them, regardless of whatever read we have on Urist.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:55 pm re: was it right for the mafia to kill Scirrus?

Mechanically speaking, it is correct for the mafia to kill Scirrus if they believe the Godfather will be checked N1. And if Urist is the Godfather, he probably thinks he's being checked N1 as the counterwagon to nanook.

My fragile mind is not ready for this wifom

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm hmm. okay i wont push it further

i retract. i dont have a mafia check on 1612 and i didnt check him. i ... kinda buy the reaction? looks solid. im gonna go ahead and treat this as a pseudo town check on 1612. i could be wrong, but i think he's either town or the godfather

im also lock towning mp7 for her effort in already ISOing stuff with the assumption that 1612 is mafia (like he could be godfather still, but maf!mp7 would know that im lying)

sorry for lying and sorry if i wasted ur effort. i thought it was worth the shot

my real peek is urist n1 town

Oh LMAO, well I certainly don't blame you so no apologies necessary!

I hadn't started full-fledged analyses that would take hours yet, so no harm no foul. I'll re-adjust my worldview accordingly.

Huh... does that mean all d1 wagons were villager though? I don't understand that then.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:55 pm re: was it right for the mafia to kill Scirrus?

Mechanically speaking, it is correct for the mafia to kill Scirrus if they believe the Godfather will be checked N1. And if Urist is the Godfather, he probably thinks he's being checked N1 as the counterwagon to nanook.

Risk so much just for the potential to get the cop to check the Godfather Urist n1?

Instead of ... hunting for the cop, and killing the cop?

If I'm Mafia I would be fighting tooth and nail against this play in Mafia chat

That's like purposely not killing a Doctor as Mafia, in hopes that the Doctor heals you from the Vigilante.

My execution order in the sketchballs is Lavender > jeraldo > cobbler. I think cobbler's posts were independently townie, not just that one "townslip". jeraldo made one good post and then slanked, and Lavender actually TMI'd me in a very suspicious way (he said "if Alison is town Michelle is scum", which makes it look like mafia trying to set up a Michelle kill after I flip).

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm I feel like Michelle had no reason to re-eval on me. It looked like I was going to get executed, full steam ahead. She had all the reasoning and argumentation in the world to justify leaving her vote on me. And then she went "stop. This doesn't make sense. Is Alison really scum?" and then she listened to tutuu's argument and nodded her head and went "okay. I'm taking my vote off Alison."

And that is super town.

I'll consider this, thanks Alison!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:14 pm

Lavender wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:13 amextremely notably, i posted this before tutuu claimed cop. i am not cop. the play of non-cop town claiming a red check on someone they sus in this d2 seems clear to me: if they are actually mafia and they or their partners believe the claim, their reaction may be very telling. i feel that the likelihood of the real cop taking this is a hard cop claim and rashly counter claiming is below the caliber of all the players in this game, from what i can tell (note, for example, that tutuu didn't even acknowledge it). the wifom here was directed at mafia. obviously it serves no purpose now

also i'm taking credit for tutuu surviving last night. i like to think my directing sus at her confused the shit out of them

ur welcome tutuu

My worry was just that, that your post may prompt the cop to claim. But actually, I don't mind Tutu claiming here either way. She was probably not very well hidden anyway.

With that last sentence, are you claiming that your read on Tutu was fake and done on purpose to protect her?

no, i can't in good conscience say that was my intention (i definitely wasn't thinking tutuu was cop, or even that there was a cop in the setup). but i would like to think it confused mafia and kept tutuu alive

I believe this post is a good look on Urist. If he is the Godfather, he is shooting himself in the foot. Unless you want to argue that this is WIFOM and he as the Godfather is purposely shooting himself in the foot to make it seem like not a Godfather. But then that's probably a bit too of an advanced Mafia play which isn't consistent with the fact that he let himself be put in a position to have 50% chance to be the yeet D1? But the biggest factor imo is the fact that I believe that regardless of how good as a Mafia player he is in terms of communicating and making good reads, he understands mechanics. He was the only one like me to get annoyed at people being like "uh oh why mech test scirrus? no point" and he also just like me immediately identified Scirrus's soft claim and had a gut reaction to publicly point it out. It seems ridiculous to me that if he is Mafia he couldn't find me as cop here and kill me night 1. And on top of that, even if he is Mafia and he couldn't cop read me, I think it makes no sense for him to be happy with the mafia team killing Scirrus instead of Cop hunting. Mafia killing Scirrus is an obvious mistake on their part. And with that, let me move on to Proto

Ah this is pretty true, I am now liking Urist again LOL. I was thinking the other way how Urist said something intentionally scummy "that votes is wrong" as godfather to force a check on himself but that quote you brought up

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:47 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:21 pm RIP Scirrus, you died.

If the cop has 2 checks still alive they should definitely claim. If they only have 1 they should claim if it's a red.

actually if the mafia have a godfather, it might not be worth claiming with 2 greens.
It brings the PoE to 8 with 2-3 mafia in that 8. Assuming the cop is killed tonight and a green is killed the following night, we have 1 non-goon in 7p. Which tbh is not that helpful unless it was someone who'd be banished otherwise.
But the n0 check is never the gf right? So that one is guaranteed. Hopefully it wasn't Nanook.
Whatever, use your own judgement.

doesn't seem like Godfather talking. (How do you guys remember all theses quotes)
I wouldn't even suggest godfather hunting as our first priority so it doesn't matter too much. we should look somewhere else for our next day vote. I guess my tunnel vision on urist was again wrong same as it was wrong on proto.
Oh god, I am doing very poorly for my forum player debut, aren't I? Thankfully you guys are super nice and not toxic at all

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:55 pm re: was it right for the mafia to kill Scirrus?

Mechanically speaking, it is correct for the mafia to kill Scirrus if they believe the Godfather will be checked N1. And if Urist is the Godfather, he probably thinks he's being checked N1 as the counterwagon to nanook.

Risk so much just for the potential to get the cop to check the Godfather Urist n1?

Instead of ... hunting for the cop, and killing the cop?

If I'm Mafia I would be fighting tooth and nail against this play in Mafia chat

That's like purposely not killing a Doctor as Mafia, in hopes that the Doctor heals you from the Vigilante.

In a world where Urist is my Godfather, I would make that play. The cop doesn't get any extra information from the N1 check, is extremely likely to out in the next couple of days so they can infodump before they get killed, and if they have a false check on your Godfather, you guarantee that they survive to endgame.

I don't see a compelling check target other than Urist from the perspective of a cop. Like I said I'd 100% check Urist if I was the cop there and so did you, and so would many other people on this list. It's not as big of a gamble as it seems.

I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01 pm I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

The actual fallacy here is assuming that mafia is on-point with their cop detection at all times. I've seen mafia just ignore obvious cop softs many times before. You can't assume everyone's going to play perfectly, and we did allude to a lot of meta stuff between us so M could easily be a meta thing.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:03 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01 pm I don't know what's the name of this fallacy or paradox, but

"2) i've seen a whole lot of hastily justified town reads (e.g. alison for the mysterious "M" reason)" - Lavender

I desire to townread Lavender for this line, because I think if he's Mafia he puts 2 + 2 together and figures out I'm cop with Alison n0. Because I think it's silly of him if he couldn't do that as Mafia. But, if he does end up being Mafia, and I wrongly cleared him for it, then the embarassment falls on me. I'm sure this situation has some kind of name

The actual fallacy here is assuming that mafia is on-point with their cop detection at all times. I've seen mafia just ignore obvious cop softs many times before. You can't assume everyone's going to play perfectly, and we did allude to a lot of meta stuff between us so M could easily be a meta thing.

M stood for Madoka btw

Unrelated but I love being mechnically confirmed town. Every time I roll town I have to deal with people paranoid that I'm deepwolfing them whenever I get townread. >< It makes the game easier for me to be able to just post whatever I want without having to worry about justifying or defending myself if someone finds it scummy.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:01 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:55 pm re: was it right for the mafia to kill Scirrus?

Mechanically speaking, it is correct for the mafia to kill Scirrus if they believe the Godfather will be checked N1. And if Urist is the Godfather, he probably thinks he's being checked N1 as the counterwagon to nanook.

Risk so much just for the potential to get the cop to check the Godfather Urist n1?

Instead of ... hunting for the cop, and killing the cop?

If I'm Mafia I would be fighting tooth and nail against this play in Mafia chat

That's like purposely not killing a Doctor as Mafia, in hopes that the Doctor heals you from the Vigilante.

In a world where Urist is my Godfather, I would make that play. The cop doesn't get any extra information from the N1 check, is extremely likely to out in the next couple of days so they can infodump before they get killed, and if they have a false check on your Godfather, you guarantee that they survive to endgame.

I don't see a compelling check target other than Urist from the perspective of a cop. Like I said I'd 100% check Urist if I was the cop there and so did you, and so would many other people on this list. It's not as big of a gamble as it seems.

Yeah but then this quote comes out of nowhere where it seems like if Urist is godfather, he would not want to throw out that plan of baiting a cop check which in itself is a hard play to execute even if he is skilled player :

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:47 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:21 pm RIP Scirrus, you died.

If the cop has 2 checks still alive they should definitely claim. If they only have 1 they should claim if it's a red.

actually if the mafia have a godfather, it might not be worth claiming with 2 greens.
It brings the PoE to 8 with 2-3 mafia in that 8. Assuming the cop is killed tonight and a green is killed the following night, we have 1 non-goon in 7p. Which tbh is not that helpful unless it was someone who'd be banished otherwise.
But the n0 check is never the gf right? So that one is guaranteed. Hopefully it wasn't Nanook.
Whatever, use your own judgement.

This goes completely against my logic on why I scumread Urist this morning for her quotes but another quote that tuttu brought up seems to fail my train of thought or tunnel

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm Like that doesn't make sense, why would I be the check? there are far better things to resolve such as MP7 or Urist, that imo would have been VERY helpful
I mean if this is fake cop we will see if you die and flip and then we can move on so it doesn't really matter i guess. lol this is hilarious
so real cop doesn't really need to cc here, nevermind DON"T CC

This doesn't even make any sense from a town perspective. "If" she's a fake cop? If you're town then you'd know if she was or not.

I really don't see why the Urist quote is evidence that Urist isn't Godfather sorry. Can you break it down for me?

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:54 pm Confirmed town:
tutuu
Alison

Town town town:
Dizzy
MP7
Town town town but with slight caveats:
Urist (mechanically they could still be godfather)
1612 (mechanically they could still be godfather. they can't be goon if you think my reaction test was solid AND his reaction was also solid)

Towny:
Michelle

Sketchballs:
Lavender
cobbler
jeraldooo

Does anyone have disagreements / thoughts / complaints / suggestions to this?

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm Like that doesn't make sense, why would I be the check? there are far better things to resolve such as MP7 or Urist, that imo would have been VERY helpful
I mean if this is fake cop we will see if you die and flip and then we can move on so it doesn't really matter i guess. lol this is hilarious
so real cop doesn't really need to cc here, nevermind DON"T CC

This doesn't even make any sense from a town perspective. "If" she's a fake cop? If you're town then you'd know if she was or not.

He could think she's the real cop and faked the check, I guess.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:51 pm I really don't have the energy to do this but if someone else does please go and check whether the proto/nanook wagons have strong overlap. They are both confirmed to be town now so just see if anyone was like a little too "okay, this seems good" on either/both of them.

Saying this made me realize that it increases Urist's scum equity because the kerfluffle at EOD is unlikely to be 100% town cannibalizing each other, there had to be mafia influence somewhere and if Alison/nanook/proto/Urist really was V/V/V/V I feel they'd be happier just sitting back and eating popcorn. So I guess move Urist up to scummy for me based off that.

Actually holy shit, these wagons are the exact flipped town and two peeks though. So either Urist is actually godfather or mafia was real happy about that whole situation. Mental note to reread that whole mess once I have the time to do so

Also really disappointed that I was the n1 check, there were way better options. Considering I can only be scum if all 3 scum were on Nanook d1. Also I tried to save Nanook d1 by swinging the banish onto proto, like wtf kind of scum play would that be
Anyway

MP7 N2 vibes reads pre-ISOs

Confirmed town
tutuu
Alison

Pseudo-confirmed town
Urist

Strong town
Dyslexicon

Slight town
cobbler
jeraldooo

POE
Michelle
Lavender
1612

Updated. I effectively need to sort the bottom five.

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:09 pm Also really disappointed that I was the n1 check, there were way better options. Considering I can only be scum if all 3 scum were on Nanook d1. Also I tried to save Nanook d1 by swinging the banish onto proto, like wtf kind of scum play would that be
Anyway

If you're town have you scumread a single scum this game?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:51 pm I really don't have the energy to do this but if someone else does please go and check whether the proto/nanook wagons have strong overlap. They are both confirmed to be town now so just see if anyone was like a little too "okay, this seems good" on either/both of them.

Saying this made me realize that it increases Urist's scum equity because the kerfluffle at EOD is unlikely to be 100% town cannibalizing each other, there had to be mafia influence somewhere and if Alison/nanook/proto/Urist really was V/V/V/V I feel they'd be happier just sitting back and eating popcorn. So I guess move Urist up to scummy for me based off that.

Actually holy shit, these wagons are the exact flipped town and two peeks though. So either Urist is actually godfather or mafia was real happy about that whole situation. Mental note to reread that whole mess once I have the time to do so

I need to go back and do that too.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:10 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:09 pm Also really disappointed that I was the n1 check, there were way better options. Considering I can only be scum if all 3 scum were on Nanook d1. Also I tried to save Nanook d1 by swinging the banish onto proto, like wtf kind of scum play would that be
Anyway

If you're town have you scumread a single scum this game?

I've scumread most people so yes probably!

Fwiw I wanted to check jeraldooo but I remember Alison asking me about Urist so I checked Urist just because I wanted to help her out so I changed it at the last moment.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm Like that doesn't make sense, why would I be the check? there are far better things to resolve such as MP7 or Urist, that imo would have been VERY helpful
I mean if this is fake cop we will see if you die and flip and then we can move on so it doesn't really matter i guess. lol this is hilarious
so real cop doesn't really need to cc here, nevermind DON"T CC

This doesn't even make any sense from a town perspective. "If" she's a fake cop? If you're town then you'd know if she was or not.

He could think she's the real cop and faked the check, I guess.

Yeah I did suspect that she was just faking notes since tutu was already a strong town read for me (and it makes sense how much she defended you as the n0 peek)
I was like wondering if she was trying to say she wasn't the real cop and surviving the night kill but I thought that was a stretch and a waste of time. AND you don't actually give your real notes if you do die, so it was loooking pretty bad without her real notes.
In hindsight, I wish I allowed more reactions to take place but yeah i panicked. I hope there was enough info there though

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:51 pm I really don't have the energy to do this but if someone else does please go and check whether the proto/nanook wagons have strong overlap. They are both confirmed to be town now so just see if anyone was like a little too "okay, this seems good" on either/both of them.

Saying this made me realize that it increases Urist's scum equity because the kerfluffle at EOD is unlikely to be 100% town cannibalizing each other, there had to be mafia influence somewhere and if Alison/nanook/proto/Urist really was V/V/V/V I feel they'd be happier just sitting back and eating popcorn. So I guess move Urist up to scummy for me based off that.

Actually holy shit, these wagons are the exact flipped town and two peeks though. So either Urist is actually godfather or mafia was real happy about that whole situation. Mental note to reread that whole mess once I have the time to do so

yup.

Lavender/jeraldo/some other inactive (1612 the Godfather? Cobbler?) makes sense as a scum team to me. I've been pushing people not to give Urist a pass but I don't actively scumread Urist right now. It could well be this three, sitting back and being very happy and smug about town cannibalizing each other EOD1.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:04 pmSeriously, please let me know whenever you play other games.

I'm only signing up for games with Tutu in after this tbh tbh. We stan.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:13 pm Fwiw I wanted to check jeraldooo but I remember Alison asking me about Urist so I checked Urist just because I wanted to help her out so I changed it at the last moment.

I don't think it's usually correct to check inactives except in special circumstances so I prefer Urist over jeraldo check anyway.

I don't think 1612 is Goon. Godfather or nothing. I'm treating 1612 as lock town if we see the Godfather flip.

Gosh we really did just cannibalize the shit out of each other, that's the only explanation then.

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm Like that doesn't make sense, why would I be the check? there are far better things to resolve such as MP7 or Urist, that imo would have been VERY helpful
I mean if this is fake cop we will see if you die and flip and then we can move on so it doesn't really matter i guess. lol this is hilarious
so real cop doesn't really need to cc here, nevermind DON"T CC

This doesn't even make any sense from a town perspective. "If" she's a fake cop? If you're town then you'd know if she was or not.

He could think she's the real cop and faked the check, I guess.

Yeah I did suspect that she was just faking notes since tutu was already a strong town read for me (and it makes sense how much she defended you as the n0 peek)
I was like wondering if she was trying to say she wasn't the real cop and surviving the night kill but I thought that was a stretch and a waste of time. AND you don't actually give your real notes if you do die, so it was loooking pretty bad without her real notes.
In hindsight, I wish I allowed more reactions to take place but yeah i panicked. I hope there was enough info there though

Contrary to that I actually wish you would have reacted immediately. I kept refreshing the thread lol. But yeah. I've never done this before, I'm assuming you too. Was an interesting experience! Reaction checks happen almost every single game on Epic Mafia, it's kinda brutal over there. Good work to both of us!!!

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:13 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:07 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:36 pm Like that doesn't make sense, why would I be the check? there are far better things to resolve such as MP7 or Urist, that imo would have been VERY helpful
I mean if this is fake cop we will see if you die and flip and then we can move on so it doesn't really matter i guess. lol this is hilarious
so real cop doesn't really need to cc here, nevermind DON"T CC

This doesn't even make any sense from a town perspective. "If" she's a fake cop? If you're town then you'd know if she was or not.

He could think she's the real cop and faked the check, I guess.

Yeah I did suspect that she was just faking notes since tutu was already a strong town read for me (and it makes sense how much she defended you as the n0 peek)
I was like wondering if she was trying to say she wasn't the real cop and surviving the night kill but I thought that was a stretch and a waste of time. AND you don't actually give your real notes if you do die, so it was loooking pretty bad without her real notes.
In hindsight, I wish I allowed more reactions to take place but yeah i panicked. I hope there was enough info there though

You clearly thought you were caught and tried to implicate me by asking me to counterclaim cop for you lol get out of here

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:15 pm Gosh we really did just cannibalize the shit out of each other, that's the only explanation then.

It's not the only explanation, there's an outside chance Urist is Godfather. But it doesn't matter as much to me for the next few days. If Urist is Godfather I think his most likely teammates are Lavender, jeraldo etc. If it was just a town on town fiesta then... we should still be executing Lavender, jeraldo etc. I'll leave the question of whether Urist is the Godfather to the people who have to sort him as ExLo. :P

If 1612 thinks he's caught why wouldn't he go in anti-spewing? Why would he try to fight it? He knows nobody can win a cc fight vs me?

Why doesn't it make sense for town!1612 to panic and ask his cop read (he cop read you Urist) to save him? (or godfather!1612)

I also hesitant to clear 1612 for anything said recently. I’m not sure what to make of it.

like do u think 1612 could still be Goon, urist?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:18 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:15 pm Gosh we really did just cannibalize the shit out of each other, that's the only explanation then.

It's not the only explanation, there's an outside chance Urist is Godfather. But it doesn't matter as much to me for the next few days. If Urist is Godfather I think his most likely teammates are Lavender, jeraldo etc. If it was just a town on town fiesta then... we should still be executing Lavender, jeraldo etc. I'll leave the question of whether Urist is the Godfather to the people who have to sort him as ExLo. :P

Yeahhh I’m going to try not to worry about that for now hehe.

My immediate reaction to 1612's "your cop check is fake!" post was "I'm impressed by the effort, I'd totally lolcat if I was caught scum there".

I guess reaching out to Urist does look like anti-spew.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:19 pm like do u think 1612 could still be Goon, urist?

Yes absolutely, he probably is.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:20 pm My immediate reaction to 1612's "your cop check is fake!" post was "I'm impressed by the effort, I'd totally lolcat if I was caught scum there".

I guess reaching out to Urist does look like anti-spew.

it does?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:25 pm gut reading 1612 not villagery for the looong explanation about the cop claims and the double explanation about Long Con.

Derping is sweet when is spontaneous. Idk if i am right but is what i felt reading that.

Add the lack of reaction at my ping and at the fact i voted him.

@tutuu i will keep my word but now i have to sleep. Anyway in my Poe rn i have Lavander and 1612, and i think Alison may go either way.

If i would try to FPS a red check as fake cop i would go for Lavander.

Funny thing, my MU sig contains a quote "Wolves never w peek someone".

anybody else notice that michelle got away without giving reads before tutuu gave her checks? and then continued posting for half an hour after they said they were going to sleep? no? just me? aight then