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[tutuu]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

[nutella]

I need to be honest. I can't read Long Con. I shouldn't fake the confidence and say a number just for the sake of keeping my "image".

Long Con has often times faked frustration as Mafia. It's not a towntell for him.

He has slanked and been active as either alignment. Neither of these things are towntells or scumtells for him.

Actually let me double think on that claim. Have I seen him active as town? @Long Con would you call yourself as active as Town as you are when you are Mafia?

Am I wrong to think that you are more enthusiastic about the game when you are Mafia or 3P compared to when you are Town?

Anyway. Having contrarian or non-contrarian reads is also a thing I've seen him do as either alignments.

I don't think that people realize just how hard/impossible he is to read.

From my personal and subjective point of view, everyone who claims that they can read Long Con with confidence is faking that confidence.

I am well aware he's hard to read. I've said multiple times that I've played with him for 13 years and still have a hard time, and yet Alison seems to think I have a godread since I caught him in two recent games. However I believe those were significant in increasing my confidence/ability to read him when he's on the block early, and he's just as obviously caught here if not more than in those games.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i struggle to follow the entire dialogue from and about Michelle. my head is only half in the game so

generic read: i have concerns about the honesty of the reads she has given, but i wouldn't call her as overtly suspicious as she was in the champs finale. i am less confident

[nutella]

Good morning

why is SPF mafia if Michelle is town

Because

1) Michelle is an underrated player, and while I haven't consistently seen her be accurate, people do underestimate her accuracy and they do so a lot
2) SPF is one of the best scum players I know, and people consistently underestimate / disrespect her scum game by giving her free townreads just because she's being solvy. We almost lost Grasslands, she reached f3, and now here we are again giving her free town reads before she has even chopped a wolf
3) I have a gut feeling that SPF is mafia

Yeah I said this earlier but if Michelle is town we should probably trust her gut read there bc her gut reads are godly

[tutuu]

I am not busy 'probably', i am rl busy with work and family. Sue me.

- in response to Dizzy

Your Poe lost a game, i will never forget that and i am still salty thinking back at it.

- in response to Jay

Alright. Michelle is indeed capable of faking the "erect finger tell" as Mafia. I still believe that she's probably Town this game.

[Michelle]

Michelle is Town. I'm 95% confident.

I have not seen her wolf game which is the sole reason the number is less than a hundred.

I have had a good record of always finding her correctly as town.

She is hitting her town marker of, as Dizzy would say it, the "erect finger tell".

In which she's sternly telling people to shoo off, because she is town and from her point of view she is in the right.

Depending on my mood I can also fall into that kind of playstyle, therefore I can empathize with it.

Realistically there should be nothing stopping Michelle from faking it as wolf, however I am yet to see evidence that she would. I would because I am very passionate about Mafia, to the extend that I wouldn't mind going all-in just for the win, even towards people who are correctly scumreading me. I think a lot of people would feel uncomfortable at the prospect of doing that, though.

I think she's capable of faking it fwiw, especially as she's heavily leaning on one of her standard broad game philosophy takes in "big wagons bad"

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

Are you seriously comparing this game with the Champs finale?

[DaughterOfOmega]

tutu
StayPositive
Esooa
Made
Nanook

and potentially Alison are my town. I want to build up my alison read slowly, I see a bit of things that I take pause with.

[nutella]

Honestly, why is DOOM also getting a free pass?

I understand Ellie and perhaps Grogu, they're both talismans and adorable, but why are people ignoring DOOM?

Found a series of her posts quite towny. Could continue reevaluating though.

[nutella]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

I mean she herself was the big wagon since early d1 there and was a hit

[nutella]

i struggle to follow the entire dialogue from and about Michelle. my head is only half in the game so

generic read: i have concerns about the honesty of the reads she has given, but i wouldn't call her as overtly suspicious as she was in the champs finale. i am less confident

nod

[DaughterOfOmega]

Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

i'd appreciate hearing a summary of your gripes with mac and nutella

[nutella]

Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

I was top poster until 12 hours ago and I'm pretty incapable of that as mafia

[tutuu]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

I mean she herself was the big wagon since early d1 there and was a hit

So your original point was entirely about LC and not about Michelle? I thought that's unneeded since we've both seen him do it as Mafia already and I never claimed that he's towny for it. Well, whatever, carry on. It was nice to acquire a tiny bit of insight on Michelle either way.

[Michelle]

I am not busy 'probably', i am rl busy with work and family. Sue me.

- in response to Dizzy

Your Poe lost a game, i will never forget that and i am still salty thinking back at it.

- in response to Jay

Alright. Michelle is indeed capable of faking the "erect finger tell" as Mafia. I still believe that she's probably Town this game.

I was really busy, nothing is stopping me to be honest
The post adressed to Jay is perfectly valid and that is my opinion and he knows it since that game i talked about.

The champs finale would be a bad town game too from lack of time, is not a representative game for my meta.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

i'd appreciate hearing a summary of your gripes with mac and nutella

Macdougal has this feeling of desperation when he was starting to get a little bit heat, if that makes sense. This could come from a towny perspective, although the timing felt scummy to me.

My take on nutella isn't a good one, I'd like to reread parts of the game to solidify my takes on him.

[tutuu]

I am not busy 'probably', i am rl busy with work and family. Sue me.

- in response to Dizzy

Your Poe lost a game, i will never forget that and i am still salty thinking back at it.

- in response to Jay

Alright. Michelle is indeed capable of faking the "erect finger tell" as Mafia. I still believe that she's probably Town this game.

I was really busy, nothing is stopping me to be honest
The post adressed to Jay is perfectly valid and that is my opinion and he knows it since that game i talked about.

The champs finale would be a bad town game too from lack of time, is not a representative game for my meta.

Alright, thanks for letting me know

[JaggedJimmyJay]

have made's reads ever changed in this game

[nutella]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

I mean she herself was the big wagon since early d1 there and was a hit

So your original point was entirely about LC and not about Michelle? I thought that's unneeded since we've both seen him do it as Mafia already and I never claimed that he's towny for it. Well, whatever, carry on. It was nice to acquire a tiny bit of insight on Michelle either way.

It was about Michelle leaning on her generic take that early big wagons are universally bad, when in this case that doesn't apply because LC is so outed, and she's seen them be hits before so her insistence on the point is disingenuous.

[Michelle]

Macdougal
Michelle
Grogu
Jay
Nutella

Is my list of current suspects, I'm not sure where I'd vote at the moment, I want to see more from them all

You have seen from me a lot, what is there more to see?

[Michelle]

have made's reads ever changed in this game

I didn't notice this, he should come back itt and post

[nutella]

@Michelle what are your strongest reads in both directions at the moment?

[Michelle]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

I mean she herself was the big wagon since early d1 there and was a hit

So your original point was entirely about LC and not about Michelle? I thought that's unneeded since we've both seen him do it as Mafia already and I never claimed that he's towny for it. Well, whatever, carry on. It was nice to acquire a tiny bit of insight on Michelle either way.

It was about Michelle leaning on her generic take that early big wagons are universally bad, when in this case that doesn't apply because LC is so outed, and she's seen them be hits before so her insistence on the point is disingenuous.

Why is LC outed!? i probably skipped the posts
Except his slip of putting the host in scum reads

[tutuu]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

I mean she herself was the big wagon since early d1 there and was a hit

So your original point was entirely about LC and not about Michelle? I thought that's unneeded since we've both seen him do it as Mafia already and I never claimed that he's towny for it. Well, whatever, carry on. It was nice to acquire a tiny bit of insight on Michelle either way.

It was about Michelle leaning on her generic take that early big wagons are universally bad, when in this case that doesn't apply because LC is so outed, and she's seen them be hits before so her insistence on the point is disingenuous.

Oh, alright. I won't argue on semantics, I don't know where I misunderstood but I'll assume I misunderstood somewhere and you explained yourself properly the first time, sorry.

Anyway. So you're saying Michelle is disingenuous in her indirect defense of Long Con. You're confident LC is Mafia, so you think Michelle is a partner.

If Long Con flips town, do you think Michelle is TMI'ing him town?

If you do, would that not make Michelle a strictly better yeet than Long Con from your point of view?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

not sure i've ever seen a mafia michelle post as this rate

[nutella]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

I mean she herself was the big wagon since early d1 there and was a hit

So your original point was entirely about LC and not about Michelle? I thought that's unneeded since we've both seen him do it as Mafia already and I never claimed that he's towny for it. Well, whatever, carry on. It was nice to acquire a tiny bit of insight on Michelle either way.

It was about Michelle leaning on her generic take that early big wagons are universally bad, when in this case that doesn't apply because LC is so outed, and she's seen them be hits before so her insistence on the point is disingenuous.

Why is LC outed!? i probably skipped the posts
Except his slip of putting the host in scum reads

*Gestures broadly at his entire iso*

[Michelle]

@Michelle what are your strongest reads in both directions at the moment?

Spf scum
Doom looks agenda-y so scum

Nanook villager
Made villager

For everyone else i have less confidence

[nutella]

Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale

She did that in the Champs finale? Okay, I will skim her ISO there if I can manage to find the thread.

I mean she herself was the big wagon since early d1 there and was a hit

So your original point was entirely about LC and not about Michelle? I thought that's unneeded since we've both seen him do it as Mafia already and I never claimed that he's towny for it. Well, whatever, carry on. It was nice to acquire a tiny bit of insight on Michelle either way.

It was about Michelle leaning on her generic take that early big wagons are universally bad, when in this case that doesn't apply because LC is so outed, and she's seen them be hits before so her insistence on the point is disingenuous.

Oh, alright. I won't argue on semantics, I don't know where I misunderstood but I'll assume I misunderstood somewhere and you explained yourself properly the first time, sorry.

Anyway. So you're saying Michelle is disingenuous in her indirect defense of Long Con. You're confident LC is Mafia, so you think Michelle is a partner.

If Long Con flips town, do you think Michelle is TMI'ing him town?

If you do, would that not make Michelle a strictly better yeet than Long Con from your point of view?

No because I'm like 95% on LC being maf and only like 65% on Michelle

[Michelle]

not sure i've ever seen a mafia michelle post as this rate

I don't, i think much more at what to say.

[nutella]

@Michelle what are your strongest reads in both directions at the moment?

Spf scum
Doom looks agenda-y so scum

Nanook villager
Made villager

For everyone else i have less confidence

alright interesting

what do you find agenda-y from doom?

[Michelle]

Where Tutuu wants to sacrifice me to 'check' LC..
</3

[nutella]

Make that more like 50/50 on Michelle lol she really is more in her town meta I just don't feel it entirely

[Michelle]

@Michelle what are your strongest reads in both directions at the moment?

Spf scum
Doom looks agenda-y so scum

Nanook villager
Made villager

For everyone else i have less confidence

alright interesting

what do you find agenda-y from doom?

His Poe

[JaggedJimmyJay]

general question for the whole gang:

if the game isn't some simple set featuring three among [grogu, long con, made, michelle, omega], what is the explanation for the current game state that comes to mind first

if you want to shuffle a name in or out and sustain the spirit of the question, go for it

[nutella]

@Michelle what are your strongest reads in both directions at the moment?

Spf scum
Doom looks agenda-y so scum

Nanook villager
Made villager

For everyone else i have less confidence

alright interesting

what do you find agenda-y from doom?

His Poe

Her btw
And @DaughterOfOmega I am also she/her I think you said him for me earlier but nbd

I think her poe isn't great but I don't see her pushing it much yet, just kinda against the grain. Shrug

[JaggedJimmyJay]

player i forget about the most: ellie

whatever that means. i am sure she's great and not forgettable; i am just not in tune with their posts man

[nutella]

general question for the whole gang:

if the game isn't some simple set featuring three among [grogu, long con, made, michelle, omega], what is the explanation for the current game state that comes to mind first

if you want to shuffle a name in or out and sustain the spirit of the question, go for it

spf or alison or maybe nanook 'boozlin

[Michelle]

Nut, Doom belongs to a mafia generation i played with, they're scary monsters in the most mafia-esque meaning, kind of like Jay and Mac
I expect a genuine scum play and a perfect thread manpulation from her

[nutella]

player i forget about the most: ellie

whatever that means. i am sure she's great and not forgettable; i am just not in tune with their posts man

same af

[nutella]

ellie is def poe for me, perhaps more so than doom/grogu

[Michelle]

player i forget about the most: ellie

whatever that means. i am sure she's great and not forgettable; i am just not in tune with their posts man

She said she is at 3rd game or something like that
Probably doesn't lie, but idk

[nutella]

Nut, Doom belongs to a mafia generation i played with, they're scary monsters in the most mafia-esque meaning, kind of like Jay and Mac
I expect a genuine scum play and a perfect thread manpulation from her

Yeah fair. I don't have experience with her specifically but I am generally pretty scared of the 2+2 veteran types lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

general question for the whole gang:

if the game isn't some simple set featuring three among [grogu, long con, made, michelle, omega], what is the explanation for the current game state that comes to mind first

if you want to shuffle a name in or out and sustain the spirit of the question, go for it

spf or alison or maybe nanook 'boozlin

litrallee the same three names for me. spf has been in the ~gray space~, alison could have pocketed me, and nanook's reads are weird

generally view them as townish or better but for that specific question, agreed

[Michelle]

general question for the whole gang:

if the game isn't some simple set featuring three among [grogu, long con, made, michelle, omega], what is the explanation for the current game state that comes to mind first

if you want to shuffle a name in or out and sustain the spirit of the question, go for it

Spf, Dkk + 1
I don't care how towny is Dkk but he didn't post in last 24 hours

Btw how much time until eod? Don't send me to the poll, just tell me how many hours pls.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

general question for the whole gang:

if the game isn't some simple set featuring three among [grogu, long con, made, michelle, omega], what is the explanation for the current game state that comes to mind first

if you want to shuffle a name in or out and sustain the spirit of the question, go for it

Spf, Dkk + 1
I don't care how towny is Dkk but he didn't post in last 24 hours

Btw how much time until eod? Don't send me to the poll, just tell me how many hours pls.

32 hours to eod

hi made

[nutella]

Dkkoba should be active I agree and not just let the early cred excuse them from playing

[tutuu]

Where Tutuu wants to sacrifice me to 'check' LC..
</3

No, I don't, I think you're town, I wanted to see Nutella's answer

[tutuu]

32 hours to EoD

[Michelle]

general question for the whole gang:

if the game isn't some simple set featuring three among [grogu, long con, made, michelle, omega], what is the explanation for the current game state that comes to mind first

if you want to shuffle a name in or out and sustain the spirit of the question, go for it

Spf, Dkk + 1
I don't care how towny is Dkk but he didn't post in last 24 hours

Btw how much time until eod? Don't send me to the poll, just tell me how many hours pls.

32 hours to eod

hi made

Thanks

[Michelle]

Where Tutuu wants to sacrifice me to 'check' LC..
</3

No, I don't, I think you're town, I wanted to see Nutella's answer

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