Re: [D4] Apathy Mafia
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:53 pm
I think that tracks. Roxy has been tinfoiling Camilla for a while
I think that tracks. Roxy has been tinfoiling Camilla for a while
This was literally during SoD2, and then Tutuu changed her mind on it and kept me in her towncore for the remainder of the game.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:52 pmTutuu is a bit of a messy player (but I am messier) I do not think of this post at all like a wifom. If it is then we should be paying attention to who she thought was mafia. FYI it was Rondo/CamillaScotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
The possibility is being raised because I'm locked into a wolves are Wilgy/Camilla world. But I'm considering the possibility of town Camilla.Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:51 pmIf it's Wilgy/Alison then Alison just lets town self-destruct rather than bus.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:49 pmThere's also very little reason for w!Alison to hellbus Wilgy. Like at 5 vs 2, to win, she needs 2 misyeets. Probably in Pyxxy, Camilla, Jack but at the time she started pushing Wilgy, Scotty and Roxy were also viable. All townies misyeetable. Why hellbus your partner and draw extra attention to yourself when any other yeet is preferable and if Wilgy is gonna go, it's better to NOT be hellbussing so that nobody questions why you aren't nked. There's just no way it's Wilgy/Alison.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:45 pmOh yeah, she did push Wilgy pretty hard at start of day and do that silly "clear Camilla if she votes for Wilgy" thing.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:40 pmIf Wilgy is wolf, Alison is clear as far as I’m concernedJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:33 pm
Me real quick internalizing if there's anyone besides Camilla that could be wolves with Wilgy or there's any wolfteam that doesn't include either Wilgy or Camilla.
I'm coming back with "I guess there's a very slim chance of Alison wolves with Wilgy instead of Camilla and I've missed it for not really looking at Alison" and "I guess there's a very slim chance of Pyxxy and Alison but I don't think we ever get there so it's not really worth looking into."
If she's the wolf, it's expected that she is nked after we yeet wolf Wilgy and it will be problematic when that doesn't happen. Ergo she's always just town if Wilgy is a wolf.
Good good.
I don't know why is this possibility even being raised.
also if Tutuu was the cop then why would she beg Pyx to out themselves if they were a town PR? Day 1?? Nah not buying this line of thinking.Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pmIf Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
Because we literally have two PRs who do not know the identity of each other.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:55 pmalso if Tutuu was the cop then why would she beg Pyx to out themselves if they were a town PR? Day 1?? Nah not buying this line of thinking.Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pmIf Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:44 pmAgain, I panicked when I realized that I was "outing" Tutuu and had no idea what to do with it. I just didn't want to talk about it anymore to prevent spewing.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:39 pmCome on though- you were a town voice. Why put Wilgy in nulls at all? You had 3 other town reads- you can easily put him in bottom of the town. Hell, you even had him below me, of all peopleCamilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:28 pmAgain, if I suddenly put Wilgy at the top after that exchange with Tutuu it would basically out to the wolves that I read Tutuu Cop with a green check on Wilgy.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:25 pm hmm, I just checked that progression. Camilla isn’t explaining herself well.
Check out this progression
Where tutuu lists her rainbow list towards top of day, with Wilgy weirdly listed as top town. Camilla asks about that read, and eventually pulls back because she thought she fucked up by blowing Tutuu’s cover.
The progression is all there, and I can see why from her perspective she would be paranoid of others going there.
However; that still doesn’t excuse why she would put Wilgy as a middling null in her own reads latwr
The entire reasoning I put Wilgy in the null zone was so I'd disguise this read and not talk more about it.
If Tutu flipped cop then I'd just put Wilgy as V and then actually out it. Yes, it's an awkward way of handling a wolf slot but as you can see in my SoD it was pretty much done as a result of me misreading Tutu as cop.
Like, what the actual fuck was that post?Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:56 pmBecause we literally have two PRs who do not know the identity of each other.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:55 pmalso if Tutuu was the cop then why would she beg Pyx to out themselves if they were a town PR? Day 1?? Nah not buying this line of thinking.Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pmIf Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
If Roxy's actually a villager then I'd rather deal with Frostburn Phoenix then her.
nah doc will out if they need toCamilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:48 pmI think so.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:42 pmWait I’m confused- this sounds like you’re arguing that you determined she was not the copCamilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pmIf Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
Am I missing the crux of this?
Here's what's happened.
1) I determined that she was the cop for putting a slanker as her top town read overnight, which felt that she n1'd Wilgy and found him green.
2) I did not want others to know that I thought that she was the cop so I lied about my reads and added artificial uncertainty to them.
That's basically it. Want me to out my doctor read as well?
Well, isn't it wolfy for me to withhold my doctor read and shouldn't I broadcast it to the entire world on who I think they are?Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:58 pmnah doc will out if they need toCamilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:48 pmI think so.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:42 pmWait I’m confused- this sounds like you’re arguing that you determined she was not the copCamilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pmIf Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
Am I missing the crux of this?
Here's what's happened.
1) I determined that she was the cop for putting a slanker as her top town read overnight, which felt that she n1'd Wilgy and found him green.
2) I did not want others to know that I thought that she was the cop so I lied about my reads and added artificial uncertainty to them.
That's basically it. Want me to out my doctor read as well?
aww nice of you to not out my age but tbph I am proud I have made it 60 years on this beautiful blue marble flying through space. BTW it's pretty spectacular so far even better when I am done posting.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:46 pmRoxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:37 pmlmao I did do thatScotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:13 pmJust as an awareness thing- and it’s no big deal- but when you bring up points like you did earlier on how ‘I’ve played with you before and should know your games’ this is kinda how I feel too. Meta can be hard for me to grab onto, because a) meta can change and b) I don’t have the mental capacity to remember people’s nuances.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:04 pmnah I do not do "meta" I do vibes/tone/feels. So thats the biggest NO from me I refuse to read back at a past game lmaoJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:22 pm And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.
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Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.
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Cartomancy. Wolves conceed D5. I vote 4 times all game.
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Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.
Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.
Again, just bringing awareness that you seem to not want to use meta when looking at other people but use it as a defense when others suspect you, and it can come off as hypocritical.
Please know this is not an indictment on your character, but how I read you in games![]()
I cannot thank you enough for this post I will try to refrain from it in new games. <3![]()
How’s your 30th birthday treating you?
The doctor isJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:59 pm I wanna know who Camilla thinks is the doctor wowee
sorry I didn't realize we had moved to a no joke zone......Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:50 pmOkay, are you reading the thread?Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:44 pmso Tutuu had you and Rondo as her top two mafia suspects...............Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:25 pmI thought that this was weird for her to do so since Wilgy was basically fairly nullish to me as his vote did have bussing vibes.![]()
Tutu had me as her top suspect at the SoD2 but then during D2 and D3 she began townreading me. I can literally bring up any of Tutu's posts to prove this shit.
I mean, I already pointed out my interaction with Tutuu where I pretty clearly read them as a cop green checking Wilgy and my reaction to realizing I fucked up. Not sure what else I can do.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:03 pmsorry I didn't realize we had moved to a no joke zone......Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:50 pmOkay, are you reading the thread?Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:44 pmso Tutuu had you and Rondo as her top two mafia suspects...............Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:25 pmI thought that this was weird for her to do so since Wilgy was basically fairly nullish to me as his vote did have bussing vibes.![]()
Tutu had me as her top suspect at the SoD2 but then during D2 and D3 she began townreading me. I can literally bring up any of Tutu's posts to prove this shit.
I made this comment and another similar bc everyone is going on and on with this Tutuu green check bs. I was tying to have some fun as it was an early D 2 read.
No offense meant---- but did you have to jump and shout at me? <3
that we want to be hidden -yes? Then why did Tutuu try and get pyx to out themselves during the D 1 elim?Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:56 pmBecause we literally have two PRs who do not know the identity of each other.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:55 pmalso if Tutuu was the cop then why would she beg Pyx to out themselves if they were a town PR? Day 1?? Nah not buying this line of thinking.Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pmIf Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
Because it's better to have an outed PR than a mislynched PR.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:07 pmthat we want to be hidden -yes? Then why did Tutuu try and get pyx to out themselves during the D 1 elim?Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:56 pmBecause we literally have two PRs who do not know the identity of each other.Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:55 pmalso if Tutuu was the cop then why would she beg Pyx to out themselves if they were a town PR? Day 1?? Nah not buying this line of thinking.Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:34 pmIf Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:31 pmI must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blownJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
I'm actually less certain on you now as I remembered something.
Could you talk about it now? Or at least who you have with Wilgy?
It's a theory that I'd like to wait until tomorrow to talk about.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:35 pmCould you talk about it now? Or at least who you have with Wilgy?
Cause I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone but you that can be wolves with Wilgy. But if you think Wilgy is a wolf and I might not be....who could he be wolves with?
Would this be influenced by Wilgy’s alignment?Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:41 pmIt's a theory that I'd like to wait until tomorrow to talk about.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:35 pmCould you talk about it now? Or at least who you have with Wilgy?
Cause I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone but you that can be wolves with Wilgy. But if you think Wilgy is a wolf and I might not be....who could he be wolves with?
I feel like I've been reading much of the game all wrong.
Not really. It's about NKs.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:44 pmWould this be influenced by Wilgy’s alignment?Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:41 pmIt's a theory that I'd like to wait until tomorrow to talk about.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:35 pmCould you talk about it now? Or at least who you have with Wilgy?
Cause I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone but you that can be wolves with Wilgy. But if you think Wilgy is a wolf and I might not be....who could he be wolves with?
I feel like I've been reading much of the game all wrong.
.......mnop.......qr.......S.......T.......some letters.......Z.....................oh my god.....................Alison next confirmed.......Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:56 pmNot really. It's about NKs.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:44 pmWould this be influenced by Wilgy’s alignment?Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:41 pmIt's a theory that I'd like to wait until tomorrow to talk about.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:35 pmCould you talk about it now? Or at least who you have with Wilgy?
Cause I'm having a hard time thinking of anyone but you that can be wolves with Wilgy. But if you think Wilgy is a wolf and I might not be....who could he be wolves with?
I feel like I've been reading much of the game all wrong.
I'm not going to talk more about it as it could mess up my theory.
Theory like this was about Jack being the Doctor and if so then I'll basically have to readjust my worldview as he has some PR-or-wolf vibes.
.......ah..............ty.......
Like, Jack's progression of Wilgy basically goes from Wilgy being very towny but not exactly towncore and suddenly after Alison and I start pushing him he's basically just casing a me with my interactions with Wilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 3:44 pm Prince Jack (the real rock n rolla....jk that song actually blows chunks and I like the Prince's WWE theme more)
Tutuu
Alison
Camilla
(line)
Wilgy
Scotty
(line)
Roxy
(line)
Pyxxy
Falcon
Ugh still feels too easy but I don't see a way out of it. I've isoed half the game this phase. Idk what more I'm supposed to do and fuck, maybe it really is the right answer and game is just ez.
Re-reading Jack it's actually funny how obviously he's TMI'ing hard the pushes here lmao.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:38 amYou/Scotty is a difference check.
It’s not hard to read this as tmi Falcon is town to be used to yeet town Scotty later.![]()