The Syndicate

Havok, from what the host said, he was somehow targeted by Apocalypse. But that is not the point. The point is he survived it because of who knows what. And that who knows what had nothing to do with redirected powers, otherwise we would have known. Brotherhood members can't survive night kills.

Polaris wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:

Polaris wrote:I'm just worried that Havok is one of Magneto's targets, and if we don't switch votes over efficiently, that we'll waste another lynch. As I said earlier, I believe Havok would be one of Magneto's targets since he was set up yesterday as today's lynchee.

I would switch my vote to White Queen if it came to it.

I do wonder though, with all the redirecting that happened the previous night, what if Magneto's targets have been redirected?

Ugh, I completely forgot about that. Well if that is the case, than we might not have to worry about it at all.

I think I might switch my vote then, just to set up a tie.

Well if you do at this point, it could decide who's lynched. So I hope you make the right choice.

No pressure though. :P

In case this is my lynching.....

I've had a blast. Here's to another lynched civ! Great game, Epignosis! You've done the X-Men proud! To my remaining fellow civvies, good luck! You are definitely going to need it against this group of baddies.

Shadowcat wrote:

Polaris wrote:

Hawkeye wrote:

Polaris wrote:I'm just worried that Havok is one of Magneto's targets, and if we don't switch votes over efficiently, that we'll waste another lynch. As I said earlier, I believe Havok would be one of Magneto's targets since he was set up yesterday as today's lynchee.

I would switch my vote to White Queen if it came to it.

I do wonder though, with all the redirecting that happened the previous night, what if Magneto's targets have been redirected?

Ugh, I completely forgot about that. Well if that is the case, than we might not have to worry about it at all.

I think I might switch my vote then, just to set up a tie.

Well if you do at this point, it could decide who's lynched. So I hope you make the right choice.

No pressure though. :P

I know, this lynch is driving me nuts.

me too!!

Good Luck, Havoc

Good luck to you as well.

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Poll ended at Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:06 pm

Banshee
0
No votes

Deadpool
0
No votes

Havok
5
Mikhail Rasputin (2), Longshot (3), Shadowcat (4), Banshee (12), Phoenix (14)
33%

Hawkeye
0
No votes

Longshot
0
No votes

Marrow
1
The Vision (5)
7%

Mikhail Rasputin
5
White Queen (6), Avalanche (7), Marrow (9), Havok (10), Deadpool (11)
33%

Phoenix
0
No votes

Polaris
0
No votes

Sebastian Shaw
0
No votes

Shadowcat
0
No votes

Spiral
0
No votes

The Vision
0
No votes

White Queen
3
Spiral (8), Hawkeye (13), Polaris (15)
20%

The Punisher (The Host, the Mod, the Non)
1
Epignosis (1)
7%


Total votes : 15

New York City was on the brink of annihilation. The sentinels were evacuating the last remaining survivors.

During the exodus, the participants had been engaged in much fighting on the demolished streets of a dying city.

Havok and Mikhail Rasputin were the most fervent warriors, and were set against each other.

Havok unleashed a mighty blast of cosmic energy against Mikhail Rasputin, but Mikhail opened a portal in front of him and sent the energy to the Fourth Dimension. Rasputin countered with an energy blast of his own, but Havok evaded it.

The blast exploded around a diamond figure.

“Enough,” said the White Queen.

Just as the falling top of the demolished Trump Tower was about obliterate everyone, it stopped and spread out overhead, brightening into a radiant blue and becoming a new firmament. The tall buildings became thick foliage. The cold air of New York became hot- strange given that they were in Antarctica. What once was an overturned convertible was now a dinosaur that screamed once and fled.

“The Savage Land,” someone uttered.

A winged reptilian descended from the sky, its eyes glowing orange and convincingly so.

“I am Sauron,” it said. “Today you will realize my cruelty. Today, two people will be forced to target each other.”

LOL, I knew that was coming. When that last vote switched to me.

So White Queen, I don't guess you can give us any idea of what just happened?

I assume that the lynch was redirected to me via manipulation, and I lived (yay me!) Like I said, I had a feeling it was coming.

What do YOU think happened?

That was the worst-case scenario I was worried about: That nobody would be lynched and we wouldn't learn anything. So basically, it's another 72 hours of a whole lot of debating back and forth.

The only thing I've thought of so far is that the lynch ended in a tie, and I know Epig generally keeps those as no one getting lynched? What do others think? Agree or disagree?

Havok and Mikhail: Do either of you know why you weren't lynched?

Linki: Wait, how, White Queen? What makes you think it was redirected towards you? I didn't glimpse that from the story. But if that is the case, do you know why you weren't lynched? And would you be willing to share with us?

Oh wait, nevermind. I can see how it could be interpreted as being directed towards you. So ignore that part.

The rest of my questions stand though. Do you know how you survived?

I guess if anything, it tells us that Magneto targeted Mikhail and Havok to leech their votes and give them to White Queen. Definitely interesting to say the least...

That whole little, Aw gee, maybe we can vote for White Queen, and not for Rasputin, thingy there at the end. So casual.



Um, I think you should reread that post, Shadowcat. You might have missed summat or other. Plus there is a tie breaker role.

Cyclops
Optic blasts make his vote worth three. As the leader of the X-Men, he determines the outcome of all ties.

And I had reason to think I would live today, yes.

Linki, OK, and yeah.

Shadowcat wrote:That was the worst-case scenario I was worried about: That nobody would be lynched and we wouldn't learn anything. So basically, it's another 72 hours of a whole lot of debating back and forth.

The only thing I've thought of so far is that the lynch ended in a tie, and I know Epig generally keeps those as no one getting lynched? What do others think? Agree or disagree?

According to the roles, our fearless leader Cyclops determines the outcome of ties

White Queen wrote:I assume that the lynch was redirected to me via manipulation, and I lived (yay me!) Like I said, I had a feeling it was coming.

What do YOU think happened?

I don't have a clue.

Ooh yikes, sorry for repeating your info, WQ!

I would also like to know what Polaris, Hawkeye & Spiral think happened

Magneto
The master of magnetism, Magneto targets one person at Night. On odd Nights, that person will receive the votes of two other selected targets the following Day. On even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Since last night was an odd night, I presume that the baddie team would have had to target me for that result. Since the push towards me spearheaded by Rasputin did not take, they would have had to put a few votes on me, right? A bold move, but this is a bold bad team.

Linki; I asked since you seemed to think a specific thing happened.

White Queen wrote:I would also like to know what Polaris, Hawkeye & Spiral think happened

Magneto
The master of magnetism, Magneto targets one person at Night. On odd Nights, that person will receive the votes of two other selected targets the following Day. On even Nights, that person’s received votes may be halved and distributed evenly to two other selected targets.

Since last night was an odd night, I presume that the baddie team would have had to target me for that result. Since the push towards me spearheaded by Rasputin did not take, they would have had to put a few votes on me, right? A bold move, but this is a bold bad team.

Linki; I asked since you seemed to think a specific thing happened.

Ok i totally understand now.

White Queen wrote: And I had reason to think I would live today, yes.

Linki, OK, and yeah.

Are you going to tell us what any of those reasons are or not? And are you willing to share how you survived this lynch?

White Queen wrote:That whole little, Aw gee, maybe we can vote for White Queen, and not for Rasputin, thingy there at the end. So casual.



Um, I think you should reread that post, Shadowcat. You might have missed summat or other. Plus there is a tie breaker role.

Cyclops
Optic blasts make his vote worth three. As the leader of the X-Men, he determines the outcome of all ties.

And I had reason to think I would live today, yes.

Linki, OK, and yeah.

Yeah, I agree with you, WQ. I think you were targeted by Magneto and the votes on myself and Rasputin were put onto you. Those last, "Gee willikers, Batman, maybe we should vote White Queen" are interesting to say the least.

Epignosis: Was the lynch a tie?

Havok wrote:Epignosis: Was the lynch a tie?

No.

We should use this night poll to our advantage, should we not?

this is the weirdest damn mafia game i ever been to

I'm glad that is over with. Ugh I couldn't even remotely get my meaning into those posts…

So I voted Marrow because I wasn't able to explain my thoughts on anything in this lynch, and felt that it might actually be effective to vote in a way that would highlight someone without having to say anything. Hawkeye picked up my meaning nicely; reading back through Marrow's posts, there is just… nothing much there. We're quite far into this game, and we've got these great big lines in the same drawn, with multiple factions etc. and Marrow just doesn't seem to want to do much to contribute, so I felt I could effectively highlight that.

As for the lynch result. it's a bit confusing. Epig says it wasn't a tie, so ultimately then someone dodged death, and it seems like it was WQ rather than Havok or Mikhail? I'm still leaning towards Havok and WQ being civs, at least more likely than Mikhail, but events are still a touch baffling.

And finally, as for this night poll. If I'm interpreting it right, we vote for two people to target each other with night actions tonight? I'll put my name into the ring, if people are willing. Who the other would be could be totally up to you, but I think I'd be a good choice for this, tbh.

Shadowcat wrote:

White Queen wrote: And I had reason to think I would live today, yes.

Linki, OK, and yeah.

Are you going to tell us what any of those reasons are or not? And are you willing to share how you survived this lynch?

Not particularly, no I don't think I am. Maybe next time, Rasputin can get those stragglers in line, it might turn out differently for the baddies

Much as he has gone after me, I doubt Spiral is one of them; I would not be surprised if he was set up as the patsy. I do think that the people who shuffled votes around probably are bad, tbh. That was a vastly ballsy risk, but like I said before, this is a vastly ballsy baddie team. I could be totally wrong here, but this is how it looks to me.

If they have to target each other, I would rather see two people I don't particularly trust win that poll. Maybe I will vote for Rasputin and one of the people who switched votes towards the end? In any case, I will think on that in the AM, I am off tomorrow

Deadpool wrote:this is the weirdest damn mafia game i ever been to

Sho nuff!

there were last minute vote switches? Interesting… baddies be coin' da maths… i've got to catch up on the specifics of that!

The Vision wrote:Interesting… baddies be coin' da maths…

What?

White Queen wrote:I assume that the lynch was redirected to me via manipulation, and I lived (yay me!) Like I said, I had a feeling it was coming.

What do YOU think happened?

I don't know why White Queen, but I just get this feeling that you're rubbing it our faces that you're Apocalypse. You've told us why you know you would survive an NK and why you know you would survive a lynch, and that you think both of those things have happened.

Shadowcat wrote:That was the worst-case scenario I was worried about: That nobody would be lynched and we wouldn't learn anything. So basically, it's another 72 hours of a whole lot of debating back and forth.

My apologies Shadowcat. I was hoping that some vote manipulation would be revealed from this. Scenarios are still running in my head, and this is all getting kinda frustrating.

Polaris wrote:

The Vision wrote:Interesting… baddies be coin' da maths…

What?

doin lol, not coin'. If there was some last minute vote splitting, I find that interesting.

Polaris wrote:

White Queen wrote:I assume that the lynch was redirected to me via manipulation, and I lived (yay me!) Like I said, I had a feeling it was coming.

What do YOU think happened?

I don't know why White Queen, but I just get this feeling that you're rubbing it our faces that you're Apocalypse. You've told us why you know you would survive an NK and why you know you would survive a lynch, and that you think both of those things have happened.

this is actually what my first thought was...

i mean... implies an ability to survive night kills, implies an ability to survive a lynch... those are like... the 2 main things of apocalypse right?

but would someone with that role really be that obvious? what would be the advantage?

I am not rubbing anything in anyones face; even saying that feels kinda sour grapey on your part, tbh. There is more than one way to survive a lynch and an NK. Maybe if you guys had not tried to Magneto-ize me , this would not be an issue.

I am feeling pretty sure that those last minute vote changes are gonna be baddies. I wish I had taken screenshots.

Yeah, I think it's quite likely that Polaris and Hawkeye are Brotherhood.

Here's how I think it went down. It was an even day following an odd night, so the Brotherhood picked two players to have their votes moved to a third party. I ended up with 5 votes as did Mikhail Rasputin. Leading up to the last 30 minutes or so of the lynch White Queen only had 1 vote. She had to be the target of Magneto to receive the votes from 2 other players. I think all of the votes that were on me went to her. I don't think they targeted Mikhail Rasputin because I don't think they thought he would be receiving votes after setting me up so nicely yesterday. I think it's likely that Vision was also targeted but he didn't receive any votes. Polaris and Hawkeye changed their votes to White Queen because if they hadn't either Rasputin or me would have been lynched, and with Cyclops still out there and the vote being a tie with their guy Rasputin they couldn't risk it. So they moved their votes and WQ ended up with 3 visible votes. Move my visible votes to White Queen and she has 8. 8-5 White Queen.

I have been leaning civvie on Hawkeye for the entire game, but now I think he's likely Brotherhood.

I suggest everyone go back and start at this post from Shadowcat and read through the end of the lynch. I think it becomes obvious that my above theory has some weight. Shadowcat comes in to express doubt about what this lynch will reveal. Hawkeye and Polaris are there to quickly agree with her and switch their votes to WQ.

The good news is that I think we have a great handle on tomorrow's lynch. We have 4 solid suspects in Polaris, Shadowcat, Hawkeye and Mikhail Rasputin and they can only pick one of those 4 to move votes away from.

Sorry to rain on your parade Apocalypse and Friends, but there was not a single Brotherhood member at work here (or if there actually was, that's purely coincidental), it was all me. I've been suspecting WQ as scum for quite some time, and by the looks of it, I wasn't that far from being wrong, but I had no evidence to support that. The other day she made those statements regarding her survival, so I thought that's as good as it gets. I was going to vote for Havok and I did, but after that I realized with all the redirected powers, that if Magneto was still alive, his could have been as well, so I took a risk. Yes, Spiral and Polaris, unknowingly happened to help with the numbers, so if one of them is a member of the Brotherhood, I suppose you can say there were baddies involved, but they basically had no idea.

I see WQ and Havok keep bringing up Rasputin = baddie leader of some sort, when there is clear evidence IN the thread, not info dumping or anything else, that he survived a night kill in a game where baddies don't have that ability. Looking back at it all, it makes sense. WQ targeted Rasputin on Night 4, and something tells me Rasputin returned the favor on Night 5.

Sorry to triple post but as I was about to exit I noticed the night poll again. I'm not sure how to approach it. It would be nice if we could figure out who Magneto is and make him target someone who won't factor into the lynch tomorrow, but there really is no telling who. I would guess that Rasputin is Magneto based on him coming in yesterday and trying to downplay Magneto's ability. I think he did that because he didn't want people to not vote for me because of the fear of Magneto targeting me....and based on the events immediately following the 5.2 lynch I think it's obvious that I was a Magneto target on night 5. I could be totally wrong about Rasputin being Magneto...he could have just been the one to come in and doubt Magneto for the team. Any other ideas?

EBWOP - from being right. and possibly other missed words.

Hawkeye wrote:Sorry to rain on your parade Apocalypse and Friends, but there was not a single Brotherhood member at work here (or if there actually was, that's purely coincidental), it was all me. I've been suspecting WQ as scum for quite some time, and by the looks of it, I wasn't that far from being wrong, but I had no evidence to support that. The other day she made those statements regarding her survival, so I thought that's as good as it gets. I was going to vote for Havok and I did, but after that I realized with all the redirected powers, that if Magneto was still alive, his could have been as well, so I took a risk. Yes, Spiral and Polaris, unknowingly happened to help with the numbers, so if one of them is a member of the Brotherhood, I suppose you can say there were baddies involved, but they basically had no idea.

I see WQ and Havok keep bringing up Rasputin = baddie leader of some sort, when there is clear evidence IN the thread, not info dumping or anything else, that he survived a night kill in a game where baddies don't have that ability. Looking back at it all, it makes sense. WQ targeted Rasputin on Night 4, and something tells me Rasputin returned the favor on Night 5.

Trying to turn the attention of the thread to Apocalypse....smart. And to say that Rasputin is not a brotherhood member just because he seemingly survived a NK doesn't hold any weight. Who knows what really happened on Night 4? Reading back over that post, nothing is made clear. And to say that surviving a NK= not being a Brotherhood member is foolhardy at best. We have no idea what is happening BTS. Maybe there was a protection or a block involved? Maybe Rasputin received something from a night poll?

And as for WQ being Apocalypse....that could very well be accurate, but considering the role says that he can't be NKed or Lynched what do we do about it?

The poll that Rasputin won was to augment his power, so that might be a possibility, but I'm thinking it was to do with his already existing power, not extra elements. And you were one of his voters, were you not?

Also, you're welcome for having exposed Apocalypse. I don't see how I'm turning the attention to him, when I came out as the one responsible for it in the first place. And what do we do now that we know who he is? We focus on the Brotherhood, because he can't be lynched or night killed. That's what we do - what we've been trying to do since the game started, except now we're a little wiser.

Yes, I agree. We are a lot wiser. What about blocks? You didn't acknowledge the possibility that every night the Brotherhood can block someone. Isn't it possible that on Night 4 Juggernaut blocked Rasputin's killer? There is also a protector out there. So, you still think that Rasputin no being killed equals him not being a Brotherhood member?

Yes, I did, and I'm not sure Apocalypse can be role blocked.

Hawkeye wrote:Sorry to rain on your parade Apocalypse and Friends, but there was not a single Brotherhood member at work here (or if there actually was, that's purely coincidental), it was all me. I've been suspecting WQ as scum for quite some time, and by the looks of it, I wasn't that far from being wrong, but I had no evidence to support that. The other day she made those statements regarding her survival, so I thought that's as good as it gets. I was going to vote for Havok and I did, but after that I realized with all the redirected powers, that if Magneto was still alive, his could have been as well, so I took a risk. Yes, Spiral and Polaris, unknowingly happened to help with the numbers, so if one of them is a member of the Brotherhood, I suppose you can say there were baddies involved, but they basically had no idea.

I see WQ and Havok keep bringing up Rasputin = baddie leader of some sort, when there is clear evidence IN the thread, not info dumping or anything else, that he survived a night kill in a game where baddies don't have that ability. Looking back at it all, it makes sense. WQ targeted Rasputin on Night 4, and something tells me Rasputin returned the favor on Night 5.

How do you know Polaris isn't bad?


Also, nice diversion to Apocalypse.

You're bad.
I'm voting for you and Polaris.



Also-- sorry I was wrong about you WQ. :/ I think it's pretty clear that this lynch was a botched job by the baddies.

I didn't say Polaris wasn't bad. You're doing that thing again where you don't read what I'm posting. I said, if you or Polaris are bad, then yes, members of the Brotherhood have been involved, but without their knowledge. And of course I'm not bad. Sunfire and his role. And I just love how you jumped on your yesterday's 'partners in crime'. Trust me, if I were bad, Havok would not be here arguing.

Honestly... havok turning against hawkeye and rasputin looks kinda bad to me. they're both players that i've seen as good for a while and they have thread evidence proving that, or at least indicating that...

I just don't really see where havok is coming from with this if he's civ.

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Poll ended at Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:06 pm

Havok
5
Mikhail Rasputin (2), Longshot (3), Shadowcat (4), Banshee (12), Phoenix (14)
33%

Marrow
1
The Vision (5)
7%

Mikhail Rasputin
5
White Queen (6), Avalanche (7), Marrow (9), Havok (10), Deadpool (11)
33%

White Queen
3
Spiral (8), Hawkeye (13), Polaris (15)
20%

if i'm understanding correctly, the Hawkeye Polaris thing relies on members of that group (specifically hawkeye and polaris) being bad and wanting to save either Havok and/or Rasputin from being lynched, and doing so by voting for white queen because they're aware of some kind of vote manipulation which took place.