The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:42 pm**

Matt F wrote:Can we stop saying SVS is getting personal and angry? That seems anti-fun to me. On that note, if we are to believe Elohcin, then SVS is good in my eyes.

I'm not voting Floyd today. If he's the last Harkonnen and gets lynched as such and I look like a moron, oh well nothing new. I think FZ is the obvious choice and as well she should be.

The only thing giving me pause is how hard Golden is defending her.

Why hasn't Harkonnen killed Sorsha yet? That's weird. :/

I dunno who to vote for.

Matt, if it makes you feel better, it stopped being fun for me long ago. And how would you call it if someone kept ignoring your questions and posts?

I really don't care any more. I'm voting for Floyd, but feel free to lynch me next day if we were wrong about him.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:44 pm**

Luke11646 wrote:
TheFloyd73 wrote:
Luke11646 wrote:
Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I think FZ could be bad.

I think Floyd & Luke are nubs and hard to judge by the standards with which we judge each other. And you know me, I pay attention to those i suspect, and not as much to everyone else.

Let me ask you a question. Do you hold the same degree of certainly about FZ that i hold about Bea? Be honest with me here.

Linki, What "tude"? Matt asked you a question you seem unwilling to answer it.
No, I definitely don't hold the same degree of certainty you hold about bea. This is why I'm trying to make clear that I don't have a 'number of days' thing.

Who would answer Matt's question? I disagree with you that it was a 'good' question. It's a question that, in fact, has no good answer, other than for me to claim info. It also starts by presuming that outcomes that are not FZ won't end the game.

My truest answer is 'if we don't lynch FZ today, NO civilians have to die, because we could lynch the last harkonnen and win. On the other hand, if we lynch FZ today, I think at least one civilian has to die, before we win." That would be the truest answer I could give.

But, as I say, this is not me having a bea level of certainty. It's just what I think is going on.

@Matt - well, that certainly makes life easier. My vote today will only be for either floyd or FZ. Lets hope luke isn't the baddie.
Lucky I'm not the baddie, I admit that I am a nub, but Floyd definitely isn't, he seems shady, his reasons for voting aren't very good and he hasn't answered any questions, so I'm voting for him.

What questions?
The questions about your item

I answered that, look through my posts and you will find it

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:46 pm**

FZ. wrote:
Matt F wrote:Can we stop saying SVS is getting personal and angry? That seems anti-fun to me. On that note, if we are to believe Elohcin, then SVS is good in my eyes.

I'm not voting Floyd today. If he's the last Harkonnen and gets lynched as such and I look like a moron, oh well nothing new. I think FZ is the obvious choice and as well she should be.

The only thing giving me pause is how hard Golden is defending her.

Why hasn't Harkonnen killed Sorsha yet? That's weird. :/

I dunno who to vote for.
Matt, if it makes you feel better, it stopped being fun for me long ago. And how would you call it if someone kept ignoring your questions and posts?

I really don't care any more. I'm voting for Floyd, but feel free to lynch me next day if we were wrong about him.

NOOOOOOOO don't stop having fun. That's not what I meant! Here, have a beer!

And honestly, I haven't done much more then you this game FZ. Again, I latched onto Sorsha's case on MM and was forced to vote for sig, and I voted bea instead of Turnip Head.

So yeah, we're in the same boat pretty much as far as bad votes. Haha

But yeah I think you're bad :P

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:13 pm**

Matt F wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Matt F wrote:Can we stop saying SVS is getting personal and angry? That seems anti-fun to me. On that note, if we are to believe Elohcin, then SVS is good in my eyes.

I'm not voting Floyd today. If he's the last Harkonnen and gets lynched as such and I look like a moron, oh well nothing new. I think FZ is the obvious choice and as well she should be.

The only thing giving me pause is how hard Golden is defending her.

Why hasn't Harkonnen killed Sorsha yet? That's weird. :/

I dunno who to vote for.
Matt, if it makes you feel better, it stopped being fun for me long ago. And how would you call it if someone kept ignoring your questions and posts?

I really don't care any more. I'm voting for Floyd, but feel free to lynch me next day if we were wrong about him.
NOOOOOOOO don't stop having fun. That's not what I meant! Here, have a beer!

And honestly, I haven't done much more then you this game FZ. Again, I latched onto Sorsha's case on MM and was forced to vote for sig, and I voted bea instead of Turnip Head.

So yeah, we're in the same boat pretty much as far as bad votes. Haha

But yeah I think you're bad :P

I'll take the beer, thanks

But I'm not the kind of person to take things personally, but some of it sure feels that way this game. Whatever. Never mind.

And you're wrong. I hope this lynch proves it, but if not, you're welcome to try again next day

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:14 pm**

Matt trust me when I say you mistook that post.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:23 pm**

@FZ - I really hope this lynch proves it! Fingers crossed!

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:29 pm**

FZ. wrote:
bea wrote:fz - without any game info - purely based on her thread actions, it's in the 98+ percent range. I'm usually all over with svs, this is the strongest civ read I've had on her in years. So, yes, she could still be fooling me as much as anyone can be, but I find it very very very very unlikely. Like outside of her admitting to being bad or there's an infodump, I just can't see a vote there.

Golden - I get why you feel the way you do about nanner. For realz. I was just including him on the list because he is unknown to me.
I understand, but I really don't get how if you two don't know anything about each other, both of you can be sure about the other, unless that's your way of not telling me you have info.

The thing with SVS is, either she's been quite rude and ignored specific questions I asked her, or it's too convenient that she ignored those questions.
Here are the questions she ignored:
1. I asked her after the first lynch (when it was between zebra and Eloh) why she decided yours and Floyd's votes were baddies not wanting to vote for their team mate (Eloh) and not wanting to be associated with the civ lynch (zebra), and why she didn't think that Eloh could be a civ and you two could still not want to take part in either civ's lynch. Never got an answer for that.
2. She said townie FZ tends to do x, while baddie FZ tends to do Y. I asked her when have she ever seen me as a baddie (since I was a baddie only one time here and it lasted a day due to reasons not related to me). She never answered that.

I think these are two important questions and she ignored both. The first one I asked twice, by the way.

So either she has something personal against me, or she's bad who doesn't know what to say.

I don't have info. It's just a gut read. And it could be wrong, but I will be very very sad if it is. It means I've played with her regularly for like 5 years now, met her twice, consider her one of my dearest friends and I STILL can't figure out her mafia.

As to your questions, I don't know why she didn't answer them, but I hope she does. I do believe though that she's not intentionally trying to be rude or mean to you. I think sometimes people read her tone more aggressive than she means it to be. She's a New York, straight to the point, no apologies kinda gal and sometimes that gets read more harsh than I know she intends it to be. She also has one of the largest hearts I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. I know darn well that if you are upset IRL about how she's treated you - she is the sort that will feel VERY badly about it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:33 pm**

Golden wrote:I am certain Eloh is truthful. I do, however, think it is possible you are Wellington Yueh. Your conduct today has begun to make me think you must be, because you seem to otherwise be ignoring things I wouldn't expect you to ignore.

I'm not 'twisting anything', but on the other hand I suppose there is a certain extent to which I should allow for perfectly normal civ Matt to be tunnelling right now, so it could well be that I'm just paranoid. But it does look to me like today, you've been less trying to solve it and more determined to make sure Floyd isn't lynched.

I don't think matt is bad. He may be miss reading things and reacting to them in a matt sort of way, but I don't think he's bad.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:33 pm**

1- I read it s i read it. Tangent votes always get my back up.

2- I recall this from a game at your home site more than anything.

FZ, don't call me rude.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:35 pm**

ebwop, I sincerely hope you are NOT bad. Becasue if you are i will be hurt, actually.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:40 pm**

Golden wrote:Hey, Luke... you've played pretty well for a newbie. Especially if you are a civ with no teammates to speak to. I hope you stick around

Thanks, I guess.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:41 pm**

I would still like to know why Turnip is on the poll.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:44 pm**

voted floyd. at this point, there's no way my vote means anything. It figures the one time this game I have time to be around at vote ending time and it's this lopsided. I hope you all are right about floyd.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:47 pm**

Luke11646 wrote:
Golden wrote:Hey, Luke... you've played pretty well for a newbie. Especially if you are a civ with no teammates to speak to. I hope you stick around
Thanks, I guess.

I agree with Golden. New people always make the game more fun! I hope you play again soon as well!!

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:48 pm**

TheFloyd73 wrote:
Luke11646 wrote:
TheFloyd73 wrote:
Luke11646 wrote:
Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I think FZ could be bad.

I think Floyd & Luke are nubs and hard to judge by the standards with which we judge each other. And you know me, I pay attention to those i suspect, and not as much to everyone else.

Let me ask you a question. Do you hold the same degree of certainly about FZ that i hold about Bea? Be honest with me here.

Linki, What "tude"? Matt asked you a question you seem unwilling to answer it.
No, I definitely don't hold the same degree of certainty you hold about bea. This is why I'm trying to make clear that I don't have a 'number of days' thing.

Who would answer Matt's question? I disagree with you that it was a 'good' question. It's a question that, in fact, has no good answer, other than for me to claim info. It also starts by presuming that outcomes that are not FZ won't end the game.

My truest answer is 'if we don't lynch FZ today, NO civilians have to die, because we could lynch the last harkonnen and win. On the other hand, if we lynch FZ today, I think at least one civilian has to die, before we win." That would be the truest answer I could give.

But, as I say, this is not me having a bea level of certainty. It's just what I think is going on.

@Matt - well, that certainly makes life easier. My vote today will only be for either floyd or FZ. Lets hope luke isn't the baddie.
Lucky I'm not the baddie, I admit that I am a nub, but Floyd definitely isn't, he seems shady, his reasons for voting aren't very good and he hasn't answered any questions, so I'm voting for him.

What questions?
The questions about your item
I answered that, look through my posts and you will find it

You got asked on day 1 and answered on night 2, it took you a long time to answer a simple question.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:48 pm**

MacDougall wrote:I would still like to know why Turnip is on the poll.

DO NOT QUESTION THE GREAT AND POWERFUL EPI!!!! IGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTIAN!!!!

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:51 pm**

There is a christmas episode of futurama on now. It makes me miss Flyin' High more than normal. Santa was easily one of my top 5 favorite mafia roles.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:52 pm**

bea why is turnip head on the poll?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:12 pm**

cuz....... host error is my best guessIGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTIAN!!!!

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:13 pm**

MacDougall wrote:Matt trust me when I say you mistook that post.

That's usually how I roll.

If I did read that wrong (at least you see where I'm coming from, though), then apologies Golden. That was pretty much the only thing holding me back on Floyd.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:29 pm**

I deserve to be voted for today tbh

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:57 pm**

Close that poll!

Fingers crossed.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:00 pm**

I'm done for this time.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:05 pm**

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:07 pm**

TheFloyd73 wrote:

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Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:10 pm**

Who killed a2thezebra?

Poll ended at Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:58 pm

bea
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

FZ.
3
S~V~S (5), TheFloyd73 (11), Matt F (14)
18%

Golden
0
No votes

MacDougall
0
No votes

Matt F
0
No votes

NANANANANANA_BANANA
0
No votes

nijuukyugou
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

S~V~S
0
No votes

TheFloyd73
8
Golden (3), MacDougall (4), Elohcin (6), Luke11646 (8), Sorsha (12), nijuukyugou (15), FZ. (16), bea (17)
47%

Linda Hunt (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
6
MovingPictures07 (1), a2thezebra (2), Epignosis (7), Draconus (9), Metalmarsh89 (10), sig (13)
35%

Total votes : 17

Missing votes: NANANANANANA_BANANA

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:10 pm**

The question is, are you harkonnen?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:18 pm**

Day 5

You escape the sietch. With your stillsuits hastily thrown on, your maneuver out into the desert to find another strategic location away from trouble.

A ship is out there waiting. Sardaukar soldiers ambush you.

The Fremen fight them off with ease, but they soon realize that the Sardaukar are not there to destroy them.

It was an extraction mission for TheFloyd73.

TheFloyd73 has been lynched and was Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV.

It is now Night 5. You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:20 pm**

Well that's just I dunno what.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:20 pm**

Can we lynch FZ now

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:20 pm**

Turnip Head wrote:I deserve to be voted for today tbh

proving tranq and typh right - I am indeed the biggest nub. I should have voted TH so I could have hit voting a baddie for sure.

Wasted opportunity tbh.

linki - that result is a big? for me. IDK that he was my enemy. I was right in thinking he wasn't hark though.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:21 pm**

S~V~S wrote:Can we lynch FZ now

No

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:27 pm**

If there is a protector out there, I feel like I might need a hand to survive tonight.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:31 pm**

svs- do you have any reason to not trust Golden? I mean, with one Hark left, it's not like he's defending a baddie teammate. Or do you think he's just being snowed? Cuz if he is, I am too.

I really don't think fz is bad. I keep thinking back to the teen wolf game on k-site - the last game I played with her. She was a civ. I was a civ. Rox was a civ. Rox and I hard core defended a baddie. Rox was sure she was civ and I was sure (like I am with you now) that rox was a civ. FZ kept defending MP. Hardcore. To the point that because we defended the other baddie she was convinced I was bad. Even though I was screaming from the start of the game that MP was bad.(OMG- he was so classically MP bad too.

) At the end of the game it was all a massive amount of "I quit listening to you because I was sure you were bad." I was POSITIVE fz was defending MP because they were teammates and she wasn't listening to me. She was positive I was bad because I kept going after MP.

Couldn't something similar be going on here?

If it is - my question is - who is pulling the strings? Is it a lurker who's staying out of the fray or a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:37 pm**

Fine I'm wrong, then I guess. My vote won't have any bearing on the result.

And i has nothing to do with Golden. I don't trust FZ. Results can be falsified.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:38 pm**

What results can be falsified?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:39 pm**

I'm not a cop, I'm not a lie detector, I don't trust FZ for any reason that 'can be falsified', I've tried to make really clear these things.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:41 pm**

True... I could be wrong. But it is possible you could be wrong too, SVS, no?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:46 pm**

S~V~S wrote:Fine I'm wrong, then I guess. My vote won't have any bearing on the result.

And i has nothing to do with Golden. I don't trust FZ. Results can be falsified.

I'm not saying your wrong. That's not at all the response I was hoping to get from you svs.

I am just trying to look at all the options and trying to figure out what's going down.

I'm starting to get bogged down in the emotional tension here and trying to find the game related bits that can lead to clarity. In my weird way.

I know you have great insight and I know you can tunnel as hard as matt does when you are civ and your tunnel comes from an emotional place.

I guess what I'm asking you - if not fz, who else? Maybe you are wrong about her, maybe you're not. I'm not sure because I don't see what you see and I don't have the reference to the game on k-site that gave you are basing your read of her baddie game on.

Is there any info of the source material that can help us? I have to admit feeling very lost on the sorce matrial. I'm not a suppafan and outside of having seen the movie once I'm pretty lost.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:47 pm**

Good game everyone. Have fun getting rid of Sting.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:13 pm**

HA take that Floyd! Rebel Alliance for the wi.............oh wait wrong Empire?

Good game Floyd it was fun to play with you again

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:22 pm**

Golden wrote:If there is a protector out there, I feel like I might need a hand to survive tonight.

Lol.. You think Team Hark is going to kill you? Shouldn't they be thanking you?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:23 pm**

Sorsha wrote:
Golden wrote:If there is a protector out there, I feel like I might need a hand to survive tonight.
Lol.. You think Team Hark is going to kill you? Shouldn't they be thanking you?

For what? Not letting FZ die? They weren't invested in which of those two was lynched. But they will be invested if tomorrow is FZ vs the real harkonnen.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:24 pm**

Well, I hate that we were wrong. I guess we gave too much credit to the baddies for possibly having such a plan. I am a bit at a loss. I really wish you (Golden) would share more with us about your trust in FZ and how it came to be.

Golden wrote:I am certain Eloh is truthful. I do, however, think it is possible you are Wellington Yueh. Your conduct today has begun to make me think you must be, because you seem to otherwise be ignoring things I wouldn't expect you to ignore.

I'm not sure how to respond to this? Epi really hates my eagerness for role hinting, so I try to be very cautious.

What things am I ignoring?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:25 pm**

That was a response to Matt, not you, Eloh. I have never had the sense you are ignoring anything.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:28 pm**

S~V~S wrote:Can we lynch FZ now

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:28 pm**

RIP Floyd

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:35 pm**

Golden - Who are you looking at tomorrow? Luke?

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:37 pm**

Elohcin wrote:I really wish you (Golden) would share more with us about your trust in FZ and how it came to be.

I've been working very hard, espeically by way of observing others responses to what happens in the game and various discussions and hints, to establish which house I believe each player to be in. There have been good reasons why this has felt like a good strategy for figuring out the game, not least of which is your own contributions. I believe I have established the house of many players. FZ is one. I believe there is evidence as to which house she is in, and I don't think it's Harkonnen.

I won't say more - I'll let FZ claim which house if she will, because even ruling out Harkonnen, if I'm wrong and she wanted to lie she only has a 25% chance of guessing right.

Posted: **Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:43 pm**

svs - do you think team hark is in a GTO sort of situation?

@ golden - I think I know what you are on about re: FZ's potential house. If I'm reading correctly, it has to do with specific questions she asked a player who is not svs yes?

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