Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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what do you think bad jjj would be trying to accoplish here?sig wrote:Wait a minute I'm a TS regular and constantlysometimes read both Epi and LC right.
Just like Turf Wars were I knew Epi was bad (lets not discus anything else I did that game unless I'm using it to defend myself) :P
And I was right about LC like three times when he was mafia so far.
I don't like that post from you JJJ I don't like it at all.
I've played with her before (assuming it's the same zebra as the old sites)... I played with you then, too (also assuming you're the same Matt) What relevance does that have to this game?Matt wrote:So Say We All!
Just finished catching up.
RIP ika, if you were good.
Let's poke Obscure. So how do you know Zebra, OA?
seriously have enjoyed the handful of posts I've seen from you, I love your paranoid theories! 
so Silver gets the pass because it's mother's day and you know her. Intimately. Epi doesn't get the mother's day pass for any reason.ika wrote:in regards to silvers RL issues, i can also atest to it. if her activities were to drop i would know and understand why.
and yes she is a mom of an amazing daughter so i know she was out most of the day
The bold is truth. It's why I tend to vote only once even in games with changable votes. Old habits die hardindiglo wrote:ISO results -
Polo's vote for LoRab was a mess up. He did not realize votes are non-changeable.
OA voted Polo for the mess up LoRab vote. She was camping and on a cell phone.
Although LC voted Matt, he also mentioned later he thinks Epi is also bad.
SW, I haven't voted yet because that's how non-changeable votes work. (At least to me, in my mind set.) It means I can gather all the info I have time to gather, and then finally, once I've gathered all that info (which I like to do for the entire day period if at all possible - if I'm going to be able to be here EoD) I make my vote. For me, it's dangerous to vote early in the day period with non-changeable votes, because something may happen to change my mind. Now, if I'm not sure I'll be here EoD, I'll definitely vote early to avoid missing the poll closing.
I'm actually seriously leaning Epi, unless something else comes up between now and then. I retain all of my normal, pre-lynch, Day 1 nerves, hesitation and fear.
Holy cow, the linki is strong!!
I'm so so very sorry you have to go through this. Please don't hesitate to reach out and yell at me about how much shit you have to go through over the next IDEK now how long goes. I have big ears and large shoulders. And what you have to go through is so so so VERY unfair and maybe if you yell at me lots about how unfair it is, it might help? I make no guarantees, but I'm here for all the yelling you need to make. For real.Silverwolf wrote:I don't give a flying fuck if you believe me. I was just diagnosed with cancer recently and have to go through chemo so fuck off!!Epignosis wrote:Demonstrable bullshit.Silverwolf wrote:I voted Epi independently of MM's vote. I used my own reasoning.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Do I think Silverwolf would genuinely suspect you for the reasons she has stated?Epignosis wrote:Changing their mind isn't my objective. They've already voted, and votes are not changeable.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:
Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.
Do you think a civilian Silverwolf would have waited for me to post? She voted for me way early in the day (judging by the fact that she was here a little while ago). Do you think a Sivilianwolf would follow MM's vote without questioning him about it instead of expecting me to do so?
That's the chief reason why I think Silverwolf is bad at this juncture. Her inability to keep my activity levels straight and her reasoning for suspecting me in other games (two, mind you) are secondary, but there.
Yes.
Do I think Silverwolf voted well earlier than she needed to and could have given you more time to respond to her accusations before placing a binding vote (particularly given her FoS strategies stated earlier)?
Yes.
Do I think it's meaningful that her vote followed MM's dubious vote without concern for that situation?
Yes.
Silverwolf, the latter two points apply to you. Please answer to them.
I wasn't sure I would be around EoD or that Epi would and I didn't want to miss the vote. Epi was around some during this day phase and had plenty of opportunities to post more meaningful content when he was here. His posts underwhelmed me, then he was barely here. Then he discredits me when I suspect him but gives ika and MM a pass.
This is plenty good reason for a D1 vote. I don't see anyone else putting their neck out to take a vote/stance on anyone. Don't you find that odd also? I do.
You voted me 4:33 pm.
You posted in the five o'clock hour, the six o'clock hour, the eight o'clock hour, the nine o'clock hour, and you're here in the ten o'clock hour.
but athena - not boomer - that means something in the meta of the show.ika wrote:so epi is cylong number 8
if hes still alive im going right back to it
Apologies for snipping in this big post you made, but I want to get straight to the point.Silverwolf wrote:Also, for Rico to say ika and I never called Epi bad is BS.
I've started last afternoon with a plea for ika to be more focused and more open to a discussion about whether the gamedesign is complex or not. It denigrated into him telling me that "I don't even believe in the arguments I'm putting forth" and then further shit. I fueled it further, no doubt, but if you think that's the territory debating should go into, well tough.Silverwolf wrote:I really, really, really, really dislike all the people who are saying ika should be lynched for nothing more than having an opinion that doesn't match up to others or for what amounts to a PL. This, plus the fact that Rico is treating him the way he is, makes me not even want to post or play.
Don't mix things. I reported ika for taking a list of volunteers, striking every name on the list and writing himself instead of every name, because to me that was the height of his I-do-what-the-frak-I-want attitude during that time, in a situation where cooperation would have been more advised.Silverwolf wrote:Rico-you were the first person to call ika a child, if you are gonna report him, then report yourself first.
Host Posts are flavor.Polo wrote:So, Ricochet's face was on the top as well. Does this mean that he was voted to be NK'ed along with Ika?
S~V~S wrote:Isn't that role, Sharon Agaton,a baddie? She's a Cylon, right?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So say we all.
What makes you think he was rezzed as a baddie?S~V~S wrote:How horrible
He wanted to die, and now he was rezzed? He is a rezzed baddie?
So say we all.
Usually on here we do not learn the identity of nks.DrumBeats wrote:So Say We All!
So wait, we do not get to know the identity of those killed? That's going to be a pain moving forward.
Yeah, I started watching the series last night;I had tried before but only made a few episodesinand hadno idea what I was watching. I think I will have to buckup & buy the mini series though, a lot happened apparently before season 1, it waskind if like starting in the middle of a story. Had I not known about it from *this game* I would have been pretty perplexed by teh multiple Sharons. Even knowing it, I got their plotlines a bit mixed up.bea wrote:S~V~S wrote:Isn't that role, Sharon Agaton,a baddie? She's a Cylon, right?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So say we all.
What makes you think he was rezzed as a baddie?S~V~S wrote:How horrible
He wanted to die, and now he was rezzed? He is a rezzed baddie?
So say we all.
there were 2 number 8s at the beginning - boomer and athena. boomer was a human who had the cylon switch fliped - and though before it fliped she was human, once the switch fliped she sided cylon.
Athena was a cylon that knew she was model 8 cylon who ended up being the replacement for the hole boomer left in the fleet. If there were *any* cylon I could think would be civ it'd be Athena.
linki - @ Rico -how else would you have me do it?
I'm about done for tonight - I know I have very little to do early tomorrow but my catsup will be the same.
I imagine that the baddies have BTSC, because it's highly traditional for them to be informed and in contact with each other. There are future games that have claimed to want to experiment with BTSC-less mafia team, but I don't see Golden applying this here, either. Depending on how many baddies are we projecting, it then comes into question if all of them are in contact (Talking Heads Mafia style) or are split in, say, two groups with enabled BTSC within one group, but no knowledge of the other group.Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!
OK, I'm just thinking out loud here. Epi is a Cylon but claims not to be aligned with the Mafia (Baddies) in this game and has no BTSC. Taking him at his word, do we all agree that there must be a BTSC inhabited by the Mafia (Baddies)? I know of games where the Mafia have not had the benefit of BTSC but I can't see Golden doing that here. Assuming that not all the Cylons are Mafia (Baddies) and the (however remote the possibility) that some humans may be as well, where does that leave us? What is the connection between the presumably six or seven players that are the Mafia (Baddy) Team? I know next to nothing about this show, does anyone who's a fan of it care to hypothesise as to what we're dealing with here?
Reading your role card might help.Vompatti wrote:Question: How can I tell if I'm a Cylon?
Ok.S~V~S wrote:Post game it is fair game, but ongoing is not, imo. If you avoid mentioning it specifically, like say "I have see X do this when bad"; without saying where you saw it, that should be fine, though.
Yes, this (quite succinctly put) was where I was headed although not in respect of Ika but in a more general sense. That's what I was referring to in terms of the TV Series, like were there any human characters that fraternised (if that's the right word...) with the Cylons? You said Rico, it was a "bit far from likelihood" but frankly, nothing would surprise me in this game...Ricochet wrote:2.1. I would find awkward for a human to be bad, together with other bad cylons, and have a conflicting agenda with his factions agenda (unless if he has a traitor-like status, which is not out of the question, but a bit far from likelihood).
So Say We All!Ricochet wrote:I imagine that the baddies have BTSC, because it's highly traditional for them to be informed and in contact with each other. There are future games that have claimed to want to experiment with BTSC-less mafia team, but I don't see Golden applying this here, either. Depending on how many baddies are we projecting, it then comes into question if all of them are in contact (Talking Heads Mafia style) or are split in, say, two groups with enabled BTSC within one group, but no knowledge of the other group.Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!
OK, I'm just thinking out loud here. Epi is a Cylon but claims not to be aligned with the Mafia (Baddies) in this game and has no BTSC. Taking him at his word, do we all agree that there must be a BTSC inhabited by the Mafia (Baddies)? I know of games where the Mafia have not had the benefit of BTSC but I can't see Golden doing that here. Assuming that not all the Cylons are Mafia (Baddies) and the (however remote the possibility) that some humans may be as well, where does that leave us? What is the connection between the presumably six or seven players that are the Mafia (Baddy) Team? I know next to nothing about this show, does anyone who's a fan of it care to hypothesise as to what we're dealing with here?
As for connections between Cylons, if that's what you meant by "six or seven players that are Mafia (Baddy)", the problem with the show is that it's not all very clear and ultimately becomes very nuanced and divisive about the Cylon ranks. Athena is the closest thing to a potential civilian clear within the Cylon ranks. Caprica Six could almost count as an indy (and Matt did in fact propose this), due to her distinct relation and interest in Gaius Baltar. Numbers such as Leoben (#2) started out as clear villains (sleeper agent on Galactica, I think), but then another model of that number became involved in influencing Starbuck towards a certain goal. So really, if you start taking all the Cylons and judge which model was pure evil and which model was nuanced or ultimately divided about fighting the humans, it gets really, really, really complicated.
Spacedaisy wrote:P.P.S. Marmot, I've already submitted two of your posts for the Sockys from this game, LOL. Keep them coming man!
First, rip if you were good (or ripiywg) is the standard night kill statement on here. I wouldn't read too much into people saying that.Silverwolf wrote:
ika was civilian, I know I saw a post where Matt said IF you are good, and it made me cringe. He was obviously human civilian. I would never be happy for a town ika NK but I actually am now. The thought of him being mislynched today after he being so obviously civ would of stressed me out to no end.
Side rant-I don't know how to play this game. I'm used to Mafia. That means an informed minority with the same wincon. And uninformed majority with the same wincon. And of course there's always the possibility of an independent person with their own agenda and/or a second uninformed majoirty in the game. I'm used to using voting analysis and flips-seeing how people flip to play. LoRab's post that I need to listen to others that have played her longer doesn't sit well with me in a game where there are clearly multiple agendas and wincons and I sure as hell don't trust most of the people.
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So that is one area I'm willing to listen to from others on not all cylons are bad but it seriously fucks with my ability to scumhunt. I also believe if ika was town/civ, then Cylons should be scum/mafia/bad because he clearly had an agenda to see them destroyed. I really don't like that multiple wincons that clearly are going on here. Add that in with the game being dependent on show lore and the flipless NK's and I'm lost.
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Also, regarding Mafia BTSC. I can only assume they have it because how else do they coordinate a kill? But that doesn't rule out the fact that some cylons can be bad and not be a part of it. In this game, I'm not ruling out anything and I'm not ruling out changing wincons and alignments as well. I really don't think humans are bad despite the glee that Rico said he would feel if one was to blow ika and myself's theory out the window.
That's about it for me right now. I noticed the poll wording changed. I'm gonna assume that is the host trying to neutralize using the wording of it to declare baddies but I still think voting for Who is a Cylon is significant, even though it was kind of laughed off when ika brought it up earlier. We only vote off baddies this game. If not all cylcons are bad, I still think all baddies are cylon.
Well, I just stated what I feel about Zebra, without referencing a game, everyone can discount it or not.Silverwolf wrote:rico-Where I've played-one site, discussing ongoing games in ANY way would get you a warning or a modkill depending on the severity of it. The other site, it wasn't allowed but they were more lack on it if nothing was said to compromise the game. I don't know what the rules are here but I would feel weird, based on my history of playing, using or talking about meta from ongoing games. More than likely, I'll just discount that.
I'd normally be interested in such a post proof, because I would find it most awkward for me to have said that you two did not call Epig bad, when I spent countless pages trying to debate whether Epig is bad, based on you two insisting that he is. If this is about ika suddenly making semantic difference between calling Epig antitown ("scum") and yet never calling him mafia ("bad"), then I'm not interested in this argument anymore, partly frankly because I found that semantic twisteroo on his behalf rather sickening.Silverwolf wrote:Also, you did say neither of us called Epi bad and I was reiterating we most certainly did. I can find the post but I don't think this point really matters because I have ZERO intention of continuing the argument of whether cylons are good or bad.
Nobody said this game can't be Mafia, after all. Nobody said the perspective of informed and uninformed factions sharing opposite wincons has been distorted. Nobody said you can't keep doing voting analysis and focusing on lynching a mafia (bad) flip. You are simply clinging on the very black and white notion that all humans must form the civilian faction and all Cylons must form the mafia faction. The main counterargument is that the civilian and mafia faction exist very distinctly, except that they contain members of both human and Cylon race.Silverwolf wrote:Side rant-I don't know how to play this game. I'm used to Mafia. That means an informed minority with the same wincon. And uninformed majority with the same wincon. And of course there's always the possibility of an independent person with their own agenda and/or a second uninformed majoirty in the game. I'm used to using voting analysis and flips-seeing how people flip to play. LoRab's post that I need to listen to others that have played her longer doesn't sit well with me in a game where there are clearly multiple agendas and wincons and I sure as hell don't trust most of the people.
The only way I would have done either of those things would be if I were convinced that neither Metalmarsh nor anyone else was there to do it on time... and I would have done the next scheduled square.ObscureAllure wrote:SO SAY WE ALL (love ice cream)Didn't Golden already say that the stories weren't to be taken at face valuePolo wrote:So Say We All.
So, Ricochet's face was on the top as well. Does this mean that he was voted to be NK'ed along with Ika?
LC: If you would have been online in time, would you have offered the next scheduled spot or picked one of your own?
There was progressively various and intense fraternization in the show between humans and cylons.Glorfindel wrote:Yes, this (quite succinctly put) was where I was headed although not in respect of Ika but in a more general sense. That's what I was referring to in terms of the TV Series, like were there any human characters that fraternised (if that's the right word...) with the Cylons? You said Rico, it was a "bit far from likelihood" but frankly, nothing would surprise me in this game...Ricochet wrote:2.1. I would find awkward for a human to be bad, together with other bad cylons, and have a conflicting agenda with his factions agenda (unless if he has a traitor-like status, which is not out of the question, but a bit far from likelihood).
I voiced my plan almost 12 hours beforehand, so everyone had plenty of time to disagree with it if they wanted to.Long Con wrote:So say we all!
The only way I would have done either of those things would be if I were convinced that neither Metalmarsh nor anyone else was there to do it on time... and I would have done the next scheduled square.ObscureAllure wrote:SO SAY WE ALL (love ice cream)Didn't Golden already say that the stories weren't to be taken at face valuePolo wrote:So Say We All.
So, Ricochet's face was on the top as well. Does this mean that he was voted to be NK'ed along with Ika?
LC: If you would have been online in time, would you have offered the next scheduled spot or picked one of your own?
So, Metalmarsh went off the schedule and voted for E3 without notice. Indiglo, Scotty, Ricochet, sig, I am interested to know what you think of that, since the four of you lost your cool a little when I went off the expected plan.
Thank you early bird S~V~S for hitting up that 5:49am timeslot so awesomely. Who is up for 11:49, in exactly two and a half hours?
I don't know if a two-team mafia is possible in this game, based on show context, but I'm leaning on doubting that. The Final Five in the show split into four cylons that continued to help the human race and 1 Cylon that embraced being a Cylon against humans. That's hardly probable material for a second mafia team, to bloom out of nowhere, at least imo.LoRab wrote:I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?
Ricochet wrote:If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.
He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].
Are you mafia/bad, Epig?
Oh, I totally missed this.Long Con wrote:So, Metalmarsh went off the schedule and voted for E3 without notice. Indiglo, Scotty, Ricochet, sig, I am interested to know what you think of that, since the four of you lost your cool a little when I went off the expected plan.
This is fine with me. Is there any more coverage needed? I can take some if so.Ricochet wrote:Is everyone ok with me covering tomorrow, May 11, 5:49AM?
Thanks!Ricochet wrote:I don't know if a two-team mafia is possible in this game, based on show context, but I'm leaning on doubting that. The Final Five in the show split into four cylons that continued to help the human race and 1 Cylon that embraced being a Cylon against humans. That's hardly probable material for a second mafia team, to bloom out of nowhere, at least imo.LoRab wrote:I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?
Yep, that's tongue-in-cheek, due to ika going semantic between "scum" and "mafia". Not my fault for that and not my implication.Silverwolf wrote: linki-Here ya go Rico, I left the whole post in tact:
Ricochet wrote:If Epig is just "scum" (which I have doubts to be the case, based on lore and nothing concretely revealed), then he doesn't need to die.
He needs to die if he's mafia/bad [which ika and Silverwolf have basically never said that he is (lol, I know)].
Are you mafia/bad, Epig?
I think my shift was the last to be booked, chronologically. We can expand to May 12 and further, but I will definitely not be able to commit after tomorrow and I sure hope we do blow up the RezHub until I get back from business (on Monday).Silverwolf wrote:This is fine with me. Is there any more coverage needed? I can take some if so.Ricochet wrote:Is everyone ok with me covering tomorrow, May 11, 5:49AM?
