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Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:43 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:02 pm I think she had TMI on epi, partly bc I really thought epi was bad lol
Kind of mirrors my concern. I don’t know how her read on Epi developed to become the only one she felt in her soul. They had that exhange early in the game when Gemma was accusatory of him, and then a cycle later there was nothing but a civilian read.

Kinda how i felt about Jack since she didnt say anything and then d2 felt strongly enough to waste three fake vig shots on him

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:47 pm**

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:37 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:37 pm Wait fuck does this game have maj
No it doesnt

If [mention]Sloonei[/mention] is correctly following the champs model exactly, majority should be enabled from D2 onward I believe

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:52 pm**

I hadn't even considered the hammer lynch. If that's enabled, the hammer is the 7th vote today.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:52 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:24 am
Majority voting is not in effect.

nope

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 pm**

Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:59 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:47 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:37 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:37 pm Wait fuck does this game have maj
No it doesnt
If @Sloonei is correctly following the champs model exactly, majority should be enabled from D2 onward I believe

Idk it might have been hard to implement maj for him? Unsure

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:59 pm**

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 4:59 pm**

Yes, there aren't many good ways to handle majority lynches here given our poll structure. The host has to be present at all times for it to work properly.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:02 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 pm Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?

If this turns into DADV my anxiety will kill me

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:02 pm**

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 pm Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?
If this turns into DADV my anxiety will kill me

what does that mean

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:03 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:59 pm Yes, there aren't many good ways to handle majority lynches here given our poll structure. The host has to be present at all times for it to work properly.

Kinda the same way it works on fr.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:04 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:02 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 pm Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?
If this turns into DADV my anxiety will kill me
what does that mean

Dead Air Dead Villager. Essentially if no one is arguing for Gemma to be saved, she’ll probably be a villager. This doesnt always hold true, but like, that’s why my anxiety will kill me.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:06 pm**

I'm not bothered. I've seen too many wagons go either way on that front, and I am skeptical that there is a concrete effect.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:08 pm**

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], tell me about your vote.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:10 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:06 pm I'm not bothered. I've seen too many wagons go either way on that front, and I am skeptical that there is a concrete effect.

I’ve seen it hold true more often than not. I’m not arguing against her lynch really.

It’s more of a “this is someone I’ve been scum reading > vaguely scum reading > then scum reading again and I wanna know if I was actually pushing a villager the whole time or if I was right and she was scum”

And that’s the thing that really gets me

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:13 pm**

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:04 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:40 am
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:42 pm The first thing you do when you come into the thread is announce to everyone you protected JJJ? There is a deliberate intention behind that.

Either she’s scum clutching for that sweet sweet towncred for that no kill

Or she’s just town going “look!! I helped!!!”
Well yeah, there's obvious intention behind it but it came out of nowhere and wasn't warranted, thus it being random.
>came from nowhere
>wasn’t warranted
>day starts
>no kill
>protection ability
>:thonk:

So what if there was no kill and you have a protection ability? Does that somehow warrant you needing to claim your role?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm**

This interaction is hurting my brain

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm**

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:21 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:13 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:11 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 10:25 pm Hey Drago does that mean you think Nova is trying to pocket you by being the only person to townread you
No.
Who else do you think might be civ that isn't me?
Me, JJJ, Genma, Owner and Lux. The last 3 are only based on their role claims.
You realize role claims arent alignment indicative
Yeah, but the out of nowhere role claims y'all pulled off I can only attribute to a what a townie would do not scum. Also, tracker does not make sense to be scum.
There is no role that "doesn't make sense to be scum". All roles are assigned alignments. Even the cop can be scum.

Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:16 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:13 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:04 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:40 am
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:42 pm The first thing you do when you come into the thread is announce to everyone you protected JJJ? There is a deliberate intention behind that.

Either she’s scum clutching for that sweet sweet towncred for that no kill

Or she’s just town going “look!! I helped!!!”
Well yeah, there's obvious intention behind it but it came out of nowhere and wasn't warranted, thus it being random.
>came from nowhere
>wasn’t warranted
>day starts
>no kill
>protection ability
>:thonk:
So what if there was no kill and you have a protection ability? Does that somehow warrant you needing to claim your role?

Look at it this way, is there a reason for a baddie Gemma to not do what she did?

Linki - lol

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:18 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:21 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:13 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:11 pm
No.
Who else do you think might be civ that isn't me?
Me, JJJ, Genma, Owner and Lux. The last 3 are only based on their role claims.
You realize role claims arent alignment indicative
Yeah, but the out of nowhere role claims y'all pulled off I can only attribute to a what a townie would do not scum. Also, tracker does not make sense to be scum.
There is no role that "doesn't make sense to be scum". All roles are assigned alignments. Even the cop can be scum.
Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.

The host has no say in it, unless you're implying that roles weren't properly randomized. Like what do you not understand from "role alignments are randomly assigned"?

The alignment cops are also Ninja, is a Ninja useful for Town?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:19 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.

So you find it logical that Ultra would decide that the person he will make his fake case on D1 will be his buddy, this bussing his own buddy D1 for some town cred or distancing? Ultra knew full well that he could make a good enough case on JJJ to actually pick up a solid wagon on him and get him lynched, but you're just gonna throw that aside?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:21 pm**

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:18 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:21 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:13 pm

Who else do you think might be civ that isn't me?
Me, JJJ, Genma, Owner and Lux. The last 3 are only based on their role claims.
You realize role claims arent alignment indicative
Yeah, but the out of nowhere role claims y'all pulled off I can only attribute to a what a townie would do not scum. Also, tracker does not make sense to be scum.
There is no role that "doesn't make sense to be scum". All roles are assigned alignments. Even the cop can be scum.
Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.
The host has no say in it, unless you're implying that roles weren't properly randomized. Like what do you not understand from "role alignments are randomly assigned"?

The alignment cops are also Ninja, is a Ninja useful for Town?

Wait what? So it's not like on OJ where we make roles and give them certain alignments but what overall role you get is randomized?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:21 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:22 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:19 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.
So you find it logical that Ultra would decide that the person he will make his fake case on D1 will be his buddy, this bussing his own buddy D1 for some town cred or distancing? Ultra knew full well that he could make a good enough case on JJJ to actually pick up a solid wagon on him and get him lynched, but you're just gonna throw that aside?

Well this looks like TMI.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:23 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:21 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:18 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:21 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:19 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:15 pm
Me, JJJ, Genma, Owner and Lux. The last 3 are only based on their role claims.
You realize role claims arent alignment indicative
Yeah, but the out of nowhere role claims y'all pulled off I can only attribute to a what a townie would do not scum. Also, tracker does not make sense to be scum.
There is no role that "doesn't make sense to be scum". All roles are assigned alignments. Even the cop can be scum.
Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.
The host has no say in it, unless you're implying that roles weren't properly randomized. Like what do you not understand from "role alignments are randomly assigned"?

The alignment cops are also Ninja, is a Ninja useful for Town?
Wait what? So it's not like on OJ where we make roles and give them certain alignments but what overall role you get is randomized?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:23 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:13 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:04 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:40 am
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:42 pm The first thing you do when you come into the thread is announce to everyone you protected JJJ? There is a deliberate intention behind that.

Either she’s scum clutching for that sweet sweet towncred for that no kill

Or she’s just town going “look!! I helped!!!”
Well yeah, there's obvious intention behind it but it came out of nowhere and wasn't warranted, thus it being random.
>came from nowhere
>wasn’t warranted
>day starts
>no kill
>protection ability
>:thonk:
So what if there was no kill and you have a protection ability? Does that somehow warrant you needing to claim your role?

In the eyes of Gemma, yes

Why do you think she did it?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:24 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:22 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:19 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.
So you find it logical that Ultra would decide that the person he will make his fake case on D1 will be his buddy, this bussing his own buddy D1 for some town cred or distancing? Ultra knew full well that he could make a good enough case on JJJ to actually pick up a solid wagon on him and get him lynched, but you're just gonna throw that aside?
Well this looks like TMI.

No. I'm pointing out a bunch of stuff that you have to ignore to have a scum read on you.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:25 pm**

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:23 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:21 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:18 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:21 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:19 pm
You realize role claims arent alignment indicative
Yeah, but the out of nowhere role claims y'all pulled off I can only attribute to a what a townie would do not scum. Also, tracker does not make sense to be scum.
There is no role that "doesn't make sense to be scum". All roles are assigned alignments. Even the cop can be scum.
Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.
The host has no say in it, unless you're implying that roles weren't properly randomized. Like what do you not understand from "role alignments are randomly assigned"?

The alignment cops are also Ninja, is a Ninja useful for Town?
Wait what? So it's not like on OJ where we make roles and give them certain alignments but what overall role you get is randomized?

So yes?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:25 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:24 pm No. I'm pointing out a bunch of stuff that you have to ignore to have a scum read on you.

Your tone is one of absolute confidence, and that is unnerving.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:25 pm**

Dragomir is literally living in his own little world over there lmao

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:26 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:25 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:23 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:21 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:18 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:21 pm
Yeah, but the out of nowhere role claims y'all pulled off I can only attribute to a what a townie would do not scum. Also, tracker does not make sense to be scum.
There is no role that "doesn't make sense to be scum". All roles are assigned alignments. Even the cop can be scum.
Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.
The host has no say in it, unless you're implying that roles weren't properly randomized. Like what do you not understand from "role alignments are randomly assigned"?

The alignment cops are also Ninja, is a Ninja useful for Town?
Wait what? So it's not like on OJ where we make roles and give them certain alignments but what overall role you get is randomized?

So yes?

It is not like usual games. The information about the setup is in the opening post.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:27 pm**

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] - All roles and alignments are randomized. Any role can be any alignment. For some of them there are modifiers if the role rolls mafia. The end. What does this mean to you?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.

I've played it for almost 2 years now.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:31 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.
I've played it for almost 2 years now.

I didn't realize you were so young! I apologize if I have been a jerk at any point, and we're all glad to have you aboard.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:33 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:27 pm @Dragomir - All roles and alignments are randomized. Any role can be any alignment. For some of them there are modifiers if the role rolls mafia. The end. What does this mean to you?

Well then. That changes a lot and BACK does Owner go into my scum reads. I can also see Genma being scum now, same for Lux.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:36 pm**

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:32 pm I'm starting to like Mac less and less

Same here. But scum reading him conflicts with my scum read on DDL so still slight town reading him.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:36 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:36 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:32 pm I'm starting to like Mac less and less
Same here. But scum reading him conflicts with my scum read on DDL so still slight town reading him.

How exactly?

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:38 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:31 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.
I've played it for almost 2 years now.
I didn't realize you were so young! I apologize if I have been a jerk at any point, and we're all glad to have you aboard.

It's aight dude. You weren't being a jerk at all.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:39 pm**

I think Mac's behavior has been about polar opposite to what we saw in [active game] and Assassination Classroom. On meta grounds he is sharp. I grant that I don't remember anything he's done this phase.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:39 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:08 pm speedchuck, tell me about your vote.

I've suspected Gemma since late D1. Their playstyle was alien to me, so I didn't depend on that, but around the end of that day I considered Gemma to be a potential Ultra ally. I can't say I remember why.

I probably would have pursued this more D2 had I not been sick.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:40 pm**

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:36 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:36 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 3:32 pm I'm starting to like Mac less and less
Same here. But scum reading him conflicts with my scum read on DDL so still slight town reading him.
How exactly?

Because Mac was also going after DDL's head D1 alongside me. If one is scum, the other can't be unless you want me to believe that Mac faked it.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:42 pm**

It would seem he hasn't done anything this phase apart from GTH reads and fart.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention], make like MP and

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:31 pm [VOTE: M plus 7] aubergine... do something

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:42 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:08 pm speedchuck, tell me about your vote.
I've suspected Gemma since late D1. Their playstyle was alien to me, so I didn't depend on that, but around the end of that day I considered Gemma to be a potential Ultra ally. I can't say I remember why.

I probably would have pursued this more D2 had I not been sick.

I love hypotheticals

So why did you move to Jack then in your hindsight bias

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:43 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:31 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.
I've played it for almost 2 years now.
I didn't realize you were so young! I apologize if I have been a jerk at any point, and we're all glad to have you aboard.

Baby...

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:44 pm**

Ah I remember when I started playing mafia at 16.

Even if Dragomir has been playing since he was even more baby than he is now

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:45 pm**

Would say dragomir might have just faked a dumbtell/townslip, but it's plausible enough that he actually didn't read the setup huh

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:45 pm**

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.
I've played it for almost 2 years now.

Wow.

I was 13 wheb I played my first rl mafia game but I really sucked at it. You're doing well.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:46 pm**

I could see his defense for Nova on D1 as being TMI since that defense was very hard and it was D1 not D2 where we see Ultra flipped scum and Nova did pioneer for his lynch(so Mac's defense and mine are different). Could get behind a wagon on him, but DDL though...

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:46 pm**

My interactive analysis for Gemma was one of the least conclusive. It's a product of her scattershot style, I think, in that just about any post can be interpreted any way -- there's no readily apparent avenue to make concrete judgments. That's to her credit as a player, I'm sure.

I found no reason there to dissociate her from Ultra.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2019 5:47 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:45 pm Would say dragomir might have just faked a dumbtell/townslip, but it's plausible enough that he actually didn't read the setup huh

Considering how hard he was defending the Gemma thing

I dont think he did

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