The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:45 pm good morning. i am gay.

hi why fingersplints maf

ok i tr straw after that big post

One can not simply explain vibes

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:14 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm Strawhenge is my top civilian read.

If FDR were here he'd slap you

I'll let Strawhenge answer your gripes before I say anything else.

I can live with that.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia

y

i dunno

I'm getting voted over this player.

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Might be my least favorite post in the game so far. I don't claim to know KZA that well, but I associate him more with players who would defend peoples' right to make "I dunno" vibey reads than those who would poop on them. Folks who know KZA better than I do ought to speak to that either way.

I want boknows to die

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm I want boknows to die

What's his greatest crime?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm I want boknows to die

you don't even know me man

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia

y

i dunno

I'm getting voted over this player.

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Might be my least favorite post in the game so far. I don't claim to know KZA that well, but I associate him more with players who would defend peoples' right to make "I dunno" vibey reads than those who would poop on them. Folks who know KZA better than I do ought to speak to that either way.

Seems more indictive of KZA's personality tbh.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:21 pm Seems more indictive of KZA's personality tbh.

What do you mean exactly? His comment about tutuu is more indicative?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm I want boknows to die

What's his greatest crime?

Not understanding a single one of his posts

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 am [VOTE: fingersplints
] aubergine

this is a wolf. i will explain tomorrow. goodnight!

spf is right coz shes town and smart or spf is scum trying to widen the poe coz things arent looking good for her team

(what im saying is i think 1 wolf between finger and spf)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:21 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:21 pm Seems more indictive of KZA's personality tbh.

What do you mean exactly? His comment about tutuu is more indicative?

It's just KZA's personality to be like "As if I'm getting more votes when person x is doing xyz".

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 am [VOTE: fingersplints
] aubergine

this is a wolf. i will explain tomorrow. goodnight!

spf is right coz shes town and smart or spf is scum trying to widen the poe coz things arent looking good for her team

Which one do you believe

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia

y

i dunno

I'm getting voted over this player.

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Might be my least favorite post in the game so far. I don't claim to know KZA that well, but I associate him more with players who would defend peoples' right to make "I dunno" vibey reads than those who would poop on them. Folks who know KZA better than I do ought to speak to that either way.

Reads like KZA is frustrated as scum for being scum read while posting game solvey reads, than a player who's not being game solvey and isn't getting scum read.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm I want boknows to die

What's his greatest crime?

Not understanding a single one of his posts

sounds like a u issue

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 am [VOTE: fingersplints
] aubergine

this is a wolf. i will explain tomorrow. goodnight!

spf is right coz shes town and smart or spf is scum trying to widen the poe coz things arent looking good for her team

Which one do you believe

50/50

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm (what im saying is i think 1 wolf between finger and spf)

Why? It could just be town wrong about town

Click here for BoKnows Fallout 2 Mafia ISO -- he was town

It seems opaque, goofy posts are a hallmark of this fine lad. There's no overt provision here to give him a town read until an eventual reads list, and he ended up the Day 1 mischop. Another one of those full reads lists might do us a real good thing, I tell you what BeauxKneauxs.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm I want boknows to die

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:17 pm I want boknows to die

What's his greatest crime?

Not understanding a single one of his posts

He understood this one I bet

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm (what im saying is i think 1 wolf between finger and spf)

Why? It could just be town wrong about town

i mean yes but whats the point in making any reads at all if anyone could just say why, u could be wrong

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:25 pm Reads like KZA is frustrated as scum for being scum read while posting game solvey reads, than a player who's not being game solvey and isn't getting scum read.

That's kind of my interpretation. I wish to be careful with reads like this, but it's where my gut falls.

I'll give the people what they want a reads list is on it's way.

I'm voting for myself in spirit

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:28 pm I'm voting for myself in spirit

NPA DC

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:27 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm (what im saying is i think 1 wolf between finger and spf)

Why? It could just be town wrong about town

i mean yes but whats the point in making any reads at all if anyone could just say why, u could be wrong

what

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:28 pm I'm voting for myself in spirit

You promised me a reads list last night. I'm still very much listening to you and would greatly appreciate such a list.

@JaggedJimmyJay I need some more work on the last group, but right now this is where I feel right now. Sorry making dinner and can’t do colours

These people I feel very good about
JJJ
Sloonei
Alison
Falcon
Strawhenge

These people I feel good/ok about right now
Esooa
BoKnows
JPIC

This person has not posted
Dom

These people I feel ok but sometimes wary about due to posting styles
Nanook
Long Con

I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here. This group I either have mild bad feelings about or are neutral to the point of wary/need revisiting.
Tedextr
Staypositivefriend
Oddmerta
KZA
MacDougall
Marmot
Tutuu
Michelle
Al Sama

This person right now is my biggest suspect
TSP

ive played with town kza in shadow corridors and that was a long time ago but iirc he wasnt taking everything so seriously and ive played with him as mafia in philosophers mafia which was even longer ago but i remember him being defeatist and giving up there as mafia d1

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:29 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:27 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm (what im saying is i think 1 wolf between finger and spf)

Why? It could just be town wrong about town

i mean yes but whats the point in making any reads at all if anyone could just say why, u could be wrong

what

i made a read. u said "why, u could be wrong". i said - i know, theres no need to say that, everyone makes reads all the time and all of those reads could be wrong

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:30 pm I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here.

process of elimination -- essentially a POE pool is a list of people that aren't town reads

Wasn’t KZA defeatist in champs last year and was misyeeted day 1 or am i misremembering

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:31 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:29 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:27 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm (what im saying is i think 1 wolf between finger and spf)

Why? It could just be town wrong about town

i mean yes but whats the point in making any reads at all if anyone could just say why, u could be wrong

what

i made a read. u said "why, u could be wrong". i said - i know, theres no need to say that, everyone makes reads all the time and all of those reads could be wrong

No, i meant why do you think there is 1 mafia between the 2

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:31 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:29 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:27 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm (what im saying is i think 1 wolf between finger and spf)

Why? It could just be town wrong about town

i mean yes but whats the point in making any reads at all if anyone could just say why, u could be wrong

what

i made a read. u said "why, u could be wrong". i said - i know, theres no need to say that, everyone makes reads all the time and all of those reads could be wrong

No, i meant why do you think there is 1 mafia between the 2

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:33 am [VOTE: fingersplints
] aubergine

this is a wolf. i will explain tomorrow. goodnight!

spf is right coz shes town and smart or spf is scum trying to widen the poe coz things arent looking good for her team

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:29 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:28 pm I'm voting for myself in spirit

You promised me a reads list last night. I'm still very much listening to you and would greatly appreciate such a list.

JaggedJimmyJay
Falcon
Staypositivefriend
Strawhenge
MacDougall
Michelle

Esooa
Alison
TSP
Sloonei

Tedextr
Odd
Dom
Marmot
Long Con
Fingersplints
JPIC
BoKnows
Al Sama

Nanook
Tutuu
KZA

Green town, Pink towny but tinfoilable, Blue I have no idea, Red lock mafia

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:28 pm I'm voting for myself in spirit

Who are your top scum reads outside of tutuu?

KZA mafia-aligned ISO from Philosopher's Mafia -- take with a grain of salt, KZA barely made any posts

Falcon

JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
Alison
Tutuu

Fingersplints
Nanook
Esooa
KZA
MacDougall
Dom
Marmot
Long Con
JPIC
Tedextr
Michelle
Al Sama

TSP
Strawhenge
SPF

Odd

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:33 pm Green town, Pink towny but tinfoilable, Blue I have no idea, Red lock mafia

Thank you. Could you talk a little about your view of Alison? She is in a different position for you among your accusers.

second time kza claimed he was scum

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:36 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:33 pm Green town, Pink towny but tinfoilable, Blue I have no idea, Red lock mafia

Thank you. Could you talk a little about your view of Alison? She is in a different position for you among your accusers.

I townread her for our earlier discussions but I'm feeling concerned about how she's trying to frame me as w/w with Marmot for some innocuous question

I also don't see the progression that led to her putting me as "highest chance of flipping scum" so I've asked her to talk about that

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:26 pm Click here for BoKnows Fallout 2 Mafia ISO -- he was town

It seems opaque, goofy posts are a hallmark of this fine lad. There's no overt provision here to give him a town read until an eventual reads list, and he ended up the Day 1 mischop. Another one of those full reads lists might do us a real good thing, I tell you what BeauxKneauxs.

How does it compare to his recent stomp, as mafia, in Bee Mafia?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:04 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 pm General notes and observations:

Spoiler: show

• I don't like @KZA saying tutuu is fake as justification for voting for her. Feels like a weak case.

• TSP claiming that JJJ is scum, then immediately giving a tepid 'well maybe not idk' response when challenged. If @TonyStarkPrime is town, I see it as a failed provocation to get JJJ to defend himself. If TSP is scum, I see it as a failed cast of a line to see if anyone would help start a bandwagon. Wild speculation here, on my part, but this moment stands out to me.

• @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME saying he agrees because JJJ won't townread him is reminiscent of overconfident scum.

• I don't know @KZA, but this reaction to TSP's read reads as earnest.

• The @Marmot's posts here and the one two posts after it feel weird. I'm not volume-shaming at all, but the linked post reads like a totally needless justification for not engaging much with D1. The latter post, asking about multiball, feels the weirdest. After 20 pages of discussion where there are plenty of cases already gaining traction, including JJJ voting for him as of then, why go back into setup speculation?

• @BoKnows has an interesting waffling moment starting here, with a 'good vibes read' on the Marmot Later, @Alison points out an exchange between the Marmot and KZA as 'insipid and wolfy', and four minutes later BoKnows says, he no longer has good vibes from Marmot and it was just based on his pfp anyway. Scum distancing himself from a scummate?

• I for sure perked my eyebrow at @tedxtr's Oddmerta vote, but I really didn't like the almost immediate and admitted bandwagoning by @Esooa. She went from gut town-lean to gut scum-lean in an instant. Esooa is sticking to this vote, which makes me even more suspicious.

Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

Off Topic

Hold the fuck up. There's a 'siren' button. Did...did I inspire this? If you say yes, I will cry.

Anyone else think it strange that he has specific notes and observations about tutuu, KZA, Nook, Ted, & TSP, and has all of them as null/black font?

Where are these secret notes?

Wait, that's...the joke?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:30 pm These people I feel good/ok about right now
Esooa
BoKnows
JPIC

I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here. This group I either have mild bad feelings about or are neutral to the point of wary/need revisiting.
MacDougall

Thanks for the list, splints. I isolated a few names that I'd be interested to hear more about when you have the chance.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:26 pm Click here for BoKnows Fallout 2 Mafia ISO -- he was town

It seems opaque, goofy posts are a hallmark of this fine lad. There's no overt provision here to give him a town read until an eventual reads list, and he ended up the Day 1 mischop. Another one of those full reads lists might do us a real good thing, I tell you what BeauxKneauxs.

How does it compare to his recent stomp, as mafia, in Bee Mafia?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:04 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 pm General notes and observations:

Spoiler: show

• I don't like @KZA saying tutuu is fake as justification for voting for her. Feels like a weak case.

• TSP claiming that JJJ is scum, then immediately giving a tepid 'well maybe not idk' response when challenged. If @TonyStarkPrime is town, I see it as a failed provocation to get JJJ to defend himself. If TSP is scum, I see it as a failed cast of a line to see if anyone would help start a bandwagon. Wild speculation here, on my part, but this moment stands out to me.

• @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME saying he agrees because JJJ won't townread him is reminiscent of overconfident scum.

• I don't know @KZA, but this reaction to TSP's read reads as earnest.

• The @Marmot's posts here and the one two posts after it feel weird. I'm not volume-shaming at all, but the linked post reads like a totally needless justification for not engaging much with D1. The latter post, asking about multiball, feels the weirdest. After 20 pages of discussion where there are plenty of cases already gaining traction, including JJJ voting for him as of then, why go back into setup speculation?

• @BoKnows has an interesting waffling moment starting here, with a 'good vibes read' on the Marmot Later, @Alison points out an exchange between the Marmot and KZA as 'insipid and wolfy', and four minutes later BoKnows says, he no longer has good vibes from Marmot and it was just based on his pfp anyway. Scum distancing himself from a scummate?

• I for sure perked my eyebrow at @tedxtr's Oddmerta vote, but I really didn't like the almost immediate and admitted bandwagoning by @Esooa. She went from gut town-lean to gut scum-lean in an instant. Esooa is sticking to this vote, which makes me even more suspicious.

Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

Off Topic

Hold the fuck up. There's a 'siren' button. Did...did I inspire this? If you say yes, I will cry.

Anyone else think it strange that he has specific notes and observations about tutuu, KZA, Nook, Ted, & TSP, and has all of them as null/black font?

Where are these secret notes?

Specific notes, not secret, and they're in the spoiler section of his rainbow post

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:39 pm Wait, that's...the joke?

click the spoiler near the top

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:36 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:33 pm Green town, Pink towny but tinfoilable, Blue I have no idea, Red lock mafia

Thank you. Could you talk a little about your view of Alison? She is in a different position for you among your accusers.

I townread her for our earlier discussions but I'm feeling concerned about how she's trying to frame me as w/w with Marmot for some innocuous question

I also don't see the progression that led to her putting me as "highest chance of flipping scum" so I've asked her to talk about that

Would be a nice dialogue to hash out directly. @Alison

Note to all that we still have over 27 hours. Nothing is decided and nobody is a required elimination.