The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:04 pm**

motel room wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:23 pm I dont have much time today (today-today, tomorrow should be better) because of work but at this point I'm happy to jump on a wagon. I'm happy to be the wagon if it goes that way too, it doesnt seem like it'll affect my chances of winning but three in a row would be nice.

This post is yucky.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:06 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:54 pm I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people who got wagoned hard on day 1 or 2 are the last mafia tbh. Feels like that type of game moreso than a deepwolf.

If there's a deepeolf, who's your pick?

I've still got a mild tinfoil of tuutu

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:10 pm**

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:44 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:37 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:11 pm We should have lost this game.
Why
I'm of the belief that a non-majority vote should result in a town death or sleep 100% of the time. The means of accomplishing this don't really matter.

You belief 50/50 odds should have a 100% result against town? Why?

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:12 pm**

451 norm is that mafia choose who dies in a tie.

Balance is a product of culture. There is no right answer.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:14 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:12 pm 451 norm is that mafia choose who dies in a tie.

Balance is a product of culture. There is no right answer.

What's 451?

I feel like that just gives Maf an extra vote. Coin toss works for me, tho my personal fav is a Thunderdome

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:17 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:12 pm 451 norm is that mafia choose who dies in a tie.

Balance is a product of culture. There is no right answer.
What's 451?

I feel like that just gives Maf an extra vote. Coin toss works for me, tho my personal fav is a Thunderdome

A site where Nanook and NAA have often played. I’ve seen about 10 different ways sites/hosts resolve ties. They’re all arbitrary.

I don’t care for ties in general and never understand why people pursue them outside double eliminations.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:20 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:12 pm 451 norm is that mafia choose who dies in a tie.

Balance is a product of culture. There is no right answer.
What's 451?

I feel like that just gives Maf an extra vote. Coin toss works for me, tho my personal fav is a Thunderdome
A site where Nanook and NAA have often played. I’ve seen about 10 different ways sites/hosts resolve ties. They’re all arbitrary.

I don’t care for ties in general and never understand why people pursue them outside double eliminations.

I agree, but I can't say I'm not happy with the results this game

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:22 pm**

i find gambling fun and in theory i think that if you can get it so there's a 50% - 50% between town and mafia you're sort of making their lives equal worth, and a mafia's life is worth that of 3 townies, so i would be happy as town to take that gamble and be unhappy as mafia to take that gamble. maybe. i dunno, this could not be a sound argument

but i think mafia are more stressed about ties than towns (if theres 1 mafia in the tie), so you could perhaps garner reactions and stuff. fun to theorize about

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:25 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:54 pm I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people who got wagoned hard on day 1 or 2 are the last mafia tbh. Feels like that type of game moreso than a deepwolf.
If there's a deepeolf, who's your pick?

I've still got a mild tinfoil of tuutu

she would also be my first guess

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:28 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:56 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:11 pm Thanks for hosting Syn. Consider RNG not being so broken for town next time. We should have lost this game.
Say what?

Why do 2 chances of 50/50 odds working out in town's favor equals a broken system?

Also, don't look a gift horse in the mouth

who is to say that one of those flips wasn't 2 maf?

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:45 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:56 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:11 pm Thanks for hosting Syn. Consider RNG not being so broken for town next time. We should have lost this game.
Say what?

Why do 2 chances of 50/50 odds working out in town's favor equals a broken system?

Also, don't look a gift horse in the mouth
who is to say that one of those flips wasn't 2 maf?

Falcon would know

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:53 pm**

@Mizery so are you giving up or you still got some fight left in you? :P

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:14 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:56 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:11 pm Thanks for hosting Syn. Consider RNG not being so broken for town next time. We should have lost this game.
Say what?

Why do 2 chances of 50/50 odds working out in town's favor equals a broken system?

Also, don't look a gift horse in the mouth
who is to say that one of those flips wasn't 2 maf?

That's possible, but I know for certain it wasn't the case for 1 of the ties

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:16 pm**

Dyson sphere wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:24 pm Lol, I voted for the wrong person both times.

Who did you vote D1?

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:03 pm**

I think it's time to put him out of his *Mizery*

So to speak...

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:27 pm**

motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:45 pm i'm confused why we aren't just hosing down the dyson voters?

Dyson sphere
4
Voters: NotAnAxehole, TonyStarkPrime, falcon45ca, Scotty

surely scotty isn't the only mafia voting on the c/w
Agreed that there is probably one more mafia in there. I doubt all three voted on the same wagon, scum are super aware of doing that I think.

This is an interesting post, cuz check this out...

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:29 pm**

motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:43 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:35 pm
motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:26 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:19 pm
motel room wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:55 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:52 pm Motel's slim ISO is not towny IMO

Nice to know that he TR's Scotty tho...

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:53 pm [VOTE: Motel] aubergine
This is the dodgiest out of the votes for me.

Dunya's usually good at reading tone and genuine-ness so I assume she'll get off me, but lets see.
Neither dunya or myself are voting for you. Why are you preoccupied with votes on you, instead of hunting scum?
I am hunting scum ding dong, I only know me at the moment and they way people might opportunistically vote for me.

Isn't dunya still voting for me? I better drop a [VOTE: NO VOTE] aubergine
Do you have reads outside of people who've voted for you?
Yep, my good list atm is
Mizery, scotty, tutuu - maybe\probably Mac - I have tonystarkprime as good for a reason I cant recall

I honestly cant go either way on dunya and lime coke love in.

Potential bads are you rondo dyson and notanaxehole

Here motel is fine voting dyson one would think, right? But Scotty, confirmed baddie, is on the wagon. I don't believe motel voted for any of these players

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:31 pm**

motel room wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:23 am I'm ok with a vote for Falcon, Alison or Tony today the way I'm going

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Also voted off the wagon (mine) a confirmed scum was in, despite being fine with my flip 2 RDs in a row

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:39 pm**

[VOTE: motel] aubergine

Motel's D1 ended up on me, and then D2 on TSP. Both basically throw away vanity wagons, with an strange habit of being off main wagons that both had players they're scum reading.

It's like they intentionally avoided being on the same wagon that scum were on, with Alison and Scotty both being the CWs.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:42 pm**

u woofin @motel room ?

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:14 pm**

Without her I will be
In misery

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:52 am**

There will not be a majority hammer.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:13 am**

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:15 am**

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:13 am [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

What's the case against Les Miz for this RD outside of declining energy?

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:32 am**

Thats about it

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:01 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:42 pm u woofin @motel room ?

Nope, honest true blue town bloke.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:04 am**

That is where I voted falcon, and one of you or TSP could still be bad.

Fwiw I live in Australia and end of day is at like 5am. So as far as "vanity" wagons go, I did have a laugh when I saw no one apart from me on TSP come night 2.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:52 am**

HELLO

I have a grilled cheese and tomato soup hype

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:54 am**

Hype a case on me for my acivity? I do remember explaining my lack of presence last cycle- I was working almost the entire weekend and when I wasn't working I was sleeping. Or drinking. one of the above.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:56 am**

I'm just kinda. Yall are doing so well, there's like. hardly. any reason for me to try

like

yall are

killing them

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:02 am**

I also just really like talking to people in thread and I haven't been online enough for that

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:09 am**

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:56 am I'm just kinda. Yall are doing so well, there's like. hardly. any reason for me to try

like

yall are

killing them

That could change starting with your mischop if that’s the way of it. If you had a free vigilante shot right now who might you kill?

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:43 am**

I gave dyson the track fwiw

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:04 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:58 pm My first guess for #3 is Dyson. I am barely here though.

Nah, don't think so - based on a single post Scotty made.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:45 am Want to hear from dyson and lomo.
Dyson, what’s the best vaccuum to buy?
Lomo, are you going to slank til you get vigged or are we going to have to lynch you early?

Scotty throws two questions at two low posters and handles them completely differently - LoMo(/Alison)'s question is a serious nudge, Dyson's is a pure joke.

This was the post that directed me towards Scotty in the first place, and, without wasting words overexplaining it, I think Scotty's wolfy intentions with this post are crystal clear and I think it clears Dyson.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:05 am**

Man I've brought that post up multiple times this game. It's been an anchor in my solving of multiple slots.

#singlepostreads are the coolest reads.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:10 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:54 pm I wouldn't be surprised if one of the people who got wagoned hard on day 1 or 2 are the last mafia tbh. Feels like that type of game moreso than a deepwolf.
If there's a deepeolf, who's your pick?

I've still got a mild tinfoil of tuutu

Nah, it's not tutuu.

Go pop open Scotty's iso and skim through it. He has way too much interaction with tutuu to be partnered with her. And sure, some scum do that with their partners, but I don't think Scotty does, based on everything else I can glean about him from his iso. At the risk of sounding insulting (which I'm not, because the following basically describes me too) I think Scotty is a fairly conventional wolf in terms of how he's focused on faking solving and nudging along potential mischops and trying to quietly distance from his partners a bit (see the post I quoted in a post above where he handles the LoMo slot). He doesn't treat any other slot the way he treats tutuu.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:12 am**

Also just throwing it out there but falcon has shifted from an orangey-yellow 'lean scum I guess' to a greeny-yellow 'lean town I guess' in my head and now I feel like a bad friend for daring to call him scum.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:16 am**

I don't feel like even trying to parse Alison's iso for potential spew tbh.

I do sort of think that she doesn't throw her partner w!Motel under the bus so quickly and easily though. I don't think she subs into the game to see the state of the scum team and thinks 'I can definitely solo this against Mac, Jay, Nanook, and tutuu.'

I'm not ruling it out, but it just strikes me as unlikely, even for someone confident in their wolfing abilities like Alison is.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:20 am**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:05 am Man I've brought that post up multiple times this game. It's been an anchor in my solving of multiple slots.

#singlepostreads are the coolest reads.

No that's valid. I'd forgotten about that moment and I agree.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:23 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:23 pm I also easily could've saved OR bussed scotty at eod, so whichever you think my meta is i should be a relatively easy townread atp
Meh. W/T wagons means someone who's off both wagons is more suspicious. Lots of wolves don't want to make a hard choice between looking really bad by outing to save a teammate or sealing their fate by bussing so they sit on a vanity wagon and pray. Tell me why you wouldn't be one of those wolves.

Alison refused to budge an inch on Nanook's position in the game with respect to his EOD1 voting decision. I think she was at least trying to fuel my own incredulity with regard to the same dynamic and didn't want Nanook out of the POE for something dumb. I highlight the first such post here, but she extended it into a lengthy dialogue.

Nanook is probably town.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:24 am**

It could just be TSP I guess. I feel I'm okay at reading him when he's slanky town and maybe it's just a product of a somewhat lethargic gamestate but I don't really sense the usual slanky TSP I'm familiar with.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:28 am**

I guess it could just be Mizery too?

I was going to 'meh' it but his re-entry to the thread here...

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:52 am HELLO

I have a grilled cheese and tomato soup hype

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:54 am Hype a case on me for my acivity? I do remember explaining my lack of presence last cycle- I was working almost the entire weekend and when I wasn't working I was sleeping. Or drinking. one of the above.

...is not my favourite. He deliberately goes for a silly off-topic 'announcement' of his re-entry, and *then* shrugs off the case against him. The decision to make the 'grilled cheese' post first I just understand more coming from a wolfy mindset than a towny one, weirdly.

But that said, his following posts...

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:56 am I'm just kinda. Yall are doing so well, there's like. hardly. any reason for me to try

like

yall are

killing them

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:02 am I also just really like talking to people in thread and I haven't been online enough for that

...just make perfect sense from a towny perspective. Like that's exactly how I'm feeling.

So I dunno. Sure, could be Miz. I can't say I have strong feelings.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:28 am**

Dyson
falcon
Mizery
motel room
Tony

POE pool of 5 in alphabetical order.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:30 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:28 am Dyson
falcon
Mizery
motel room
Tony

POE pool of 5 in alphabetical order.

Yeah. I do put enough stock in the Scotty post to remove Dyson, personally, but speaking collectively that's fine.

I'd go:

Shoot TSP/Mizery first,

then Falcon,

then Motel,

then worry about a deepwolf.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:30 am**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:43 am I gave dyson the track fwiw

@Dyson sphere, since there is only one mafioso left alive, if the game still exists on Night 3 then your track is equivalent to a cop check. Please use it on a consensus suspect and not on whoever you want. This is critical. Thank you.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:38 am**

I think it's just Mizery.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:39 am**

Mizery isn't doing anything new to suggest otherwise so sure.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:39 am**

Also, D1 I had Nanook, Mizery, Lomo as Scotty's only potential partners, and I really want to be right.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:43 am**

Otherwise, I would have to review my decision-making process, and ain't nobody got time for that.

Posted: **Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:05 am**

Scotty's mentions of Miz.

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:03 am lol tutuu out here throwing around townreads on everyone like a Mardi Gras bead queen on Fat Tuesday.

Between that mizery/tutuu interaction tho, I think mizery looks super town. I appreciate the humble attitude about not wanting to be read town for asking mech questions.

I don’t know how tutuu usually plays, but if they’re wolf, they’re trying to D1 power wolf, and power wolves make my head hurt

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:44 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:42 pm Also though that mafia could just kill the town...roled...person...or whatnot, cant they? Otherwise why not just have the prs holster two cycles, have the PR...giver...outer.. out who they targeted, then they know who has the solid abilities or whatnot?

Do the PR...giver....outers...have to use their ability? Otherwise a wolf could just say they were targetef and then that conftown is really just a wolf, no?
"Do the PR...giver....outers...have to use their ability? " - yes, both town and mafia. they can pick to use the first shot on N0 or N1. the second they must use the night after. the pr receiver cant reject it, they have to take it and pick one of the two variants, but they can holster the actual shot indefinitely

and like yeah iss tricky. some info can get lost in the shuffle by lack of organization. lemme think if mass claiming day 1 could be good and could be something other people could be convinced of
Seems like you listed a bunch of prethought reasons to claim, and now that Miz is poking holes in your “plan”, you’re backtracking.

<snipped other stuff that isn't relevant here>

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:30 pm
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:36 pm Does scotty's entrance look like it could be a pocket attempt on me or am I making that up
I entered before you, goober

Also you’re probs the closest townread I have, and I don’t give town reads early often because I suck at tone reads and D1s are the bane of my existence

So yea, sure, jump in my cargo shorts

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:55 am On the flip, the only player that has even come close to pocketing me is tutuu, and I don’t even think that qualifies because I picked her First
Tutuu’s posts have had a pretty logical through line, and I’ve agreed with her today. So either we’re both wrong, right or I’m just a patsy. I choose life, senator.

I think mizery is still pretty town based on like I said, their interaction with tutuu early on.

Mac was on my radar as a possible mindgame mafia, and I guess he still could be the mafia provider, but ima let that play out. If he isn’t the town provider, that’ll sort itself out sooner than later

TSP Lean town- has some mindmelding with some others lien they’re in some sort of secret organization. I don’t remember what his scum game looks like, but he appears to have a firm grasp of the mech stuff. Probably NAI but I lean town

Yeah, they're compatible together. Not, like, 'slam dunk', but sure, it fits.

Although I do find Scotty using Miz's points about mech to undermine Tutuu interesting. I feel normally a scum would be hesitant to use a lower-presence partner's 'points' against a more active player like that.

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