The Syndicate

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:05 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more.

I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear.

With additional context, I no longer believe that Wilgy doesn't make that kill anyway.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:16 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill

It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?

Given that from your perspective my path to victory as a wolf should be to get you and Ex miselimned, how would I be benefitting my wincon by clearing you?

Not that I did clear you but that's how you seemed to have perceived it.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:01 pmAbigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Yes but you don't seem to have put any thought into what that agenda would be.

I'm the one who brought up and you thought I was doing something that would be extremely -ev as a wolf who basically always would need to miselim you this game.

Meanwhile Ex's commentary was mostly in response to me and wasn't really pushing a whole lot that I've seen.

What sort of agenda is actually being pushed here? The only one seeming to be pushing one here is you.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:40 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more.

I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear.

why just Wigly tho? Not Michelle? Not me?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:42 am If Roxy has more wolf games in the last few years or really just whenever then I'd really like to see them.

The more games backing up the "Roxy doesn't bus" trend, the better. Two games isn't really a big enough same size to be certain.

Additionally, by the time Roxy voted Lime Coke had already gone into antispew and dipped from the thread. At that point, I think he would have encouraged any potential wolf mate to bus him.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:42 am If Roxy has more wolf games in the last few years or really just whenever then I'd really like to see them.

The more games backing up the "Roxy doesn't bus" trend, the better. Two games isn't really a big enough same size to be certain.

Additionally, by the time Roxy voted Lime Coke had already gone into antispew and dipped from the thread. At that point, I think he would have encouraged any potential wolf mate to bus him.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:45 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pmI am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

I'll admit that with this context I think Ex killing Abigail is a lot less likely.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:42 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:05 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more.

I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear.

With additional context, I no longer believe that Wilgy doesn't make that kill anyway.

After all the spew talk you now take an oppo stance. Idk wtf to think rn lol

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 6:04 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:05 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:04 am The kill was mildly a good look for Wilgy and nothing more.

I very rarely clear based on NKA. I can say that somebody is spewed town by something without having them as a clear.

With additional context, I no longer believe that Wilgy doesn't make that kill anyway.

Ok, I was really curious about your answer because my take was the opposite.
Wilgy made an almost lock town read for Abigail, so if wolf Wilgy could never chop her/ insert her into the Poe, so I thought that if Wilgy is a wolf killing her makes the most sense.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:16 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill

It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?

Given that from your perspective my path to victory as a wolf should be to get you and Ex miselimned, how would I be benefitting my wincon by clearing you?

Not that I did clear you but that's how you seemed to have perceived it.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:23 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:49 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill

It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?

Manipulate you how?
And clear you how?

No, I want to gather more information from you and for that I need you to keep talking about what I think is relevant.

You can in asking about it immediately, Wiml had commentary on it immediately. All feels very agenda based on the NK that wolves control. You also ???'d Wiml saying I was spewed now. Your guess is as good as mine.

Given the above, I'm struggling to see this as real paranoia and not an attempt to throw shade at me.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:01 pmAbigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Yes but you don't seem to have put any thought into what that agenda would be.

I'm the one who brought up and you thought I was doing something that would be extremely -ev as a wolf who basically always would need to miselim you this game.

Meanwhile Ex's commentary was mostly in response to me and wasn't really pushing a whole lot that I've seen.

What sort of agenda is actually being pushed here? The only one seeming to be pushing one here is you.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:14 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:30 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:34 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:08 am

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:06 pm Pie is delicious.

So much better than cake.

GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kate is wrong.
Kate is always wrong in this scenario.
Kate hates Pie.
Kate is civ.
Yep these posts prove it to me.

Cake ftmfw

Could you explain what about those posts makes you think Kate is town please?

the great cake pie debate is from a decade ago on another mafia site. Idk how to explain it but when pie and cake are discussed by Kate she is usually town I know it seems a weird read but it makes total sense in my vibe style of playing.

I was fine with this explanation at the time but could you please explain this in more detail now?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:45 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:01 pmAbigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Yes but you don't seem to have put any thought into what that agenda would be.

I'm the one who brought up and you thought I was doing something that would be extremely -ev as a wolf who basically always would need to miselim you this game.

Meanwhile Ex's commentary was mostly in response to me and wasn't really pushing a whole lot that I've seen.

What sort of agenda is actually being pushed here? The only one seeming to be pushing one here is you.

The "agenda" felt like you were trying for a pocket attempt. tbf It is how the whole thing came across to me during my catch up.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:50 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:45 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pmI am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

I'll admit that with this context I think Ex killing Abigail is a lot less likely.

So a WEx Light would never kill PA?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:24 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:53 pm have had an wild afternoon and need to get Ariya fast. So I have to vote now vote limey
I cannot read him one way or the other except the disappearing act is never a good sign. I'll thank Wiml for this if we get a hit but will not blame them if we don't. I do like their case and felt they have the knowledge of Limey that I just don't.

This vote is well set up prior to this and makes sense from Roxy's perspective as a villager.

The issue is that the vote itself comes *after* Lime Coke's final post with the vote on me. At that point in time, it's clear that Lime Coke thought he was doomed no matter what and I'm sure that if it was brought up in wolf chat he would have encouraged his partner to bus him if they were not bussing him at that point already. The guy had literally given up, after all.

So it's unfortunately way more difficult to clear Roxy on the basis of this vote than it would be to do so for an earlier vote.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:57 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:15 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 pm @Ex would've Wiml known to kill Abigail to break you two apart?

No, I don't think they ever played together so he wouldn't how she interacts with me.

Aye, I think the only two to know this would get you and me, unless somehow she just got hit in the crossfire, but I don't know what would cause that.

I think though, if my goal is to really separate you and Abigail, I NK you instead and hope Abigail doesn't waver.

Is that the type of analysis you are looking for?

I think there's all of 0 chance you NK Ex there tbh.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:33 am @DrWilgy regardless of whatever conclusion I come to on Roxy once I've finished at stuff I'd definitely appreciate a full towncase on her from you detailing why she's a villager and why I should sheep you.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:48 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:42 am If Roxy has more wolf games in the last few years or really just whenever then I'd really like to see them.

The more games backing up the "Roxy doesn't bus" trend, the better. Two games isn't really a big enough same size to be certain.

Additionally, by the time Roxy voted Lime Coke had already gone into antispew and dipped from the thread. At that point, I think he would have encouraged any potential wolf mate to bus him.

gonna be hard to find recent games as took an almost decade break. I've been back for a few games mostly town told you both of my wolf games I won as a jester in a baby game. I am not sure how much more you would need as I have not even looked at any of your games bc they really do not matter to *this* game imo.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:49 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:42 am If Roxy has more wolf games in the last few years or really just whenever then I'd really like to see them.

The more games backing up the "Roxy doesn't bus" trend, the better. Two games isn't really a big enough same size to be certain.

Additionally, by the time Roxy voted Lime Coke had already gone into antispew and dipped from the thread. At that point, I think he would have encouraged any potential wolf mate to bus him.

I hammered but I still understand this read.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:50 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:45 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pmI am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

I'll admit that with this context I think Ex killing Abigail is a lot less likely.

So a WEx Light would never kill PA?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:30 am I said this previously Ex but I think Roxy attributing the Lime Coke flip to me/Falcon (but not JJJ) and then shading JJJ during D2 (having him 4th in her PoE and then criticising his lack of a hammer) make killing JJJ over me weird.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:32 am Wait, Roxy gives new players D1 passes so that means she probably wouldn't have been willing Roxy N1 me, right?

And since she attributed the Lime Coke elim to Falcon but not as much JJJ I guess that the N1K at least makes a lot of sense from her as a wolf since JJJ and I both wouldn't be on her NK radar.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:30 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:15 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 pm @Ex would've Wiml known to kill Abigail to break you two apart?

No, I don't think they ever played together so he wouldn't how she interacts with me.

Aye, I think the only two to know this would get you and me, unless somehow she just got hit in the crossfire, but I don't know what would cause that.

I think though, if my goal is to really separate you and Abigail, I NK you instead and hope Abigail doesn't waver.

Is that the type of analysis you are looking for?

That's a better one, yea.
Answer without thinking much, what you think my winrate is as Town?

wtaf? lmao I do not think I have ever seen this question asked in a game. It does not give me warm fuzzies.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:25 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:21 am I am terribly sorry but I went through the worst storm of my life, was stuck in my car for hours as live electrical poles and wires sizzled around several cars. WE were then taken to a firehall until the lines could be shut down and poles moved so we could leave in our cars then I went home to no power or internets while I did have internet yesterday while at work I was busy (yes too busy to post)

I am going to do my best today <3

Understandable, I'm glad you're alright!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:54 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:32 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:01 pmAbigail dies, the two that I find closest to PoE have opinions about it or are fixated on it. Doesn't seem quite the leap to thinking that there's agenda on it.

Yes but you don't seem to have put any thought into what that agenda would be.

I'm the one who brought up and you thought I was doing something that would be extremely -ev as a wolf who basically always would need to miselim you this game.

Meanwhile Ex's commentary was mostly in response to me and wasn't really pushing a whole lot that I've seen.

What sort of agenda is actually being pushed here? The only one seeming to be pushing one here is you.

Was this one answered by continued reading?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:20 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:58 pm Abigail NK makes sense when I just think on it. It accomplishes alot I think, Abigail has Roxy and I as TR (that you seem more than happy to leap on now). Abigail also knowing you I think could crack the game open by forming a conclusion on you.

I agree. Her townreads of you, Michelle and I then being the NK is obv to me. It was made so all this posturing could happen.

For ExLite to think that PA would have townread them OVER you is really a lot to swallow and except, bc I do not except that thought at all.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:59 pm My PoE was and is You and Wiml (has been my 'I might be wrong' for a minute now). Wiml goes from having me as the counter to now spewed. I think it's reasonable to see the agenda of 'Wiml killed Abigail and is now raising that as a positive to me to pocket me.' Further, you ask specifically for my thoughts on the subject and I don't know if I've seen your own conclusion for it yet, thus it's also reasonable for me to question 'Ex killed Abigail and is questioning me specifically, what are they hoping to impress upon me?' I have no resistance to discussing it, but both you AND wiml's discussion had me as a subject thus leading to questioning.

Pulled this quote out of a response to ExLite.

I thought the spewed thing was weird. PA had Me, Michelle and you in her trust circle for awhile. For Wiml to just pull you along as spewed read as a pocket attempt to try and get you to side with them for whatever their agenda is today.

It is why I hate pockets or attempts to pocket.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:35 am In general Roxy, I'm very interested in hearing where your head's at and chatting with you when you're around.

Another thing I was meaning to ask: in your opinion, how valid is Wilgy's meta read on you? Is it true that you wouldn't have voted Lime Coke there as mafia?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:05 am I think Roxy just townslipped.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:41 am <<<<<<<<<<<snippy snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

oml I don't hate you on a personal level, you seem like an enjoyable person and I'm sure you're a good player

I'm just uncomfortable with the lack I'd personally consider to be AI, in particular the lack of stuff I'd consider towny from your posts

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:41 am <<<<<<<<<<<snippy snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

oml I don't hate you on a personal level, you seem like an enjoyable person and I'm sure you're a good player

I'm just uncomfortable with the lack I'd personally consider to be AI, in particular the lack of stuff I'd consider towny from your posts

I am sorry I am not doing what I should. What "stuff" are you looking for? This feels like I am being put in the shade.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:10 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:08 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:21 pm Abgail didn't die as a WTF kill. Nobody did so far.

Falcon was obviously Town because Lime only got FUCKED because he trying to push for his lynch with the jankiest arguments. JJJ was pretty much towncleared as well because they hounded the shit outta Lime. Abgail was likely picked because she wasn't in the PoE the thread been pushing for - everyone remaining here was discussed to some degree (with exception of maybe Michelle?), which makes pretty clear the last scum is either controlling the PoE narrative or at the very least keeping a close eye on the thread.
Which by the way is wild as fuck because I was certain Wiml was gonna get shot because that D1 interaction is definitely a townclear in my book, but I guess people throwing the weird shade and saying nonsense about them being potential mafia was enough to avert a kill.

Wiml looks way better during the Lime elim than JJJ.

Abigail was killed bc she was widely regarded as IC. Her last list of trust kind of puts me in a position to maybe follow them but tbh we have rarely worked together and the first time we do she gets NK'ed.

Why did you think that Abi died over Michelle or you when you were both arguably more townread than her?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:58 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:33 am @DrWilgy regardless of whatever conclusion I come to on Roxy once I've finished at stuff I'd definitely appreciate a full towncase on her from you detailing why she's a villager and why I should sheep you.

Blah, I'd need to be convinced to throw out more than I've already, but maybe if the Wednesday hellscape calms down.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am Roxy, very important question but on a 1-10 scale how much do you townread Wiml and who would you vote if Wilgy flipped Town?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:17 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am Roxy, very important question but on a 1-10 scale how much do you townread Wiml and who would you vote if Wilgy flipped Town?

Wigly is town after the last elim 100% of the time.

Wiml the eod was made a bit scattershot bc of there vote jumping. It gave me bad vibes when reading it. Wiml town 40% of the time.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:17 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am Roxy, very important question but on a 1-10 scale how much do you townread Wiml and who would you vote if Wilgy flipped Town?

Wigly is town after the last elim 100% of the time.

Wiml the eod was made a bit scattershot bc of there vote jumping. It gave me bad vibes when reading it. Wiml town 40% of the time.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:08 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:21 pm Abgail didn't die as a WTF kill. Nobody did so far.

Falcon was obviously Town because Lime only got FUCKED because he trying to push for his lynch with the jankiest arguments. JJJ was pretty much towncleared as well because they hounded the shit outta Lime. Abgail was likely picked because she wasn't in the PoE the thread been pushing for - everyone remaining here was discussed to some degree (with exception of maybe Michelle?), which makes pretty clear the last scum is either controlling the PoE narrative or at the very least keeping a close eye on the thread.
Which by the way is wild as fuck because I was certain Wiml was gonna get shot because that D1 interaction is definitely a townclear in my book, but I guess people throwing the weird shade and saying nonsense about them being potential mafia was enough to avert a kill.

Wiml looks way better during the Lime elim than JJJ.

Abigail was killed bc she was widely regarded as IC. Her last list of trust kind of puts me in a position to maybe follow them but tbh we have rarely worked together and the first time we do she gets NK'ed.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:39 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:59 pm My PoE was and is You and Wiml (has been my 'I might be wrong' for a minute now). Wiml goes from having me as the counter to now spewed. I think it's reasonable to see the agenda of 'Wiml killed Abigail and is now raising that as a positive to me to pocket me.' Further, you ask specifically for my thoughts on the subject and I don't know if I've seen your own conclusion for it yet, thus it's also reasonable for me to question 'Ex killed Abigail and is questioning me specifically, what are they hoping to impress upon me?' I have no resistance to discussing it, but both you AND wiml's discussion had me as a subject thus leading to questioning.

Pulled this quote out of a response to ExLite.

I thought the spewed thing was weird. PA had Me, Michelle and you in her trust circle for awhile. For Wiml to just pull you along as spewed read as a pocket attempt to try and get you to side with them for whatever their agenda is today.

It is why I hate pockets or attempts to pocket.

No, PA had me, you and Wilgy in her trust circle. Not Michelle.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:04 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:34 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:59 pm My PoE was and is You and Wiml (has been my 'I might be wrong' for a minute now). Wiml goes from having me as the counter to now spewed. I think it's reasonable to see the agenda of 'Wiml killed Abigail and is now raising that as a positive to me to pocket me.' Further, you ask specifically for my thoughts on the subject and I don't know if I've seen your own conclusion for it yet, thus it's also reasonable for me to question 'Ex killed Abigail and is questioning me specifically, what are they hoping to impress upon me?' I have no resistance to discussing it, but both you AND wiml's discussion had me as a subject thus leading to questioning.

Pulled this quote out of a response to ExLite.

I thought the spewed thing was weird. PA had Me, Michelle and you in her trust circle for awhile. For Wiml to just pull you along as spewed read as a pocket attempt to try and get you to side with them for whatever their agenda is today.

It is why I hate pockets or attempts to pocket.

I agree with this. I don't know why you weren't included in the NKA threadspew. Maybe I'll see something related on catchup. If the thought was 'Kill Abigail who's now consensus TR and butter up Wilgy' when making the kill, it makes alot of sense if the fact it'd spew you T in likeness was forgotten.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:39 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:53 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:48 pm The one thing I did ask more broadly and that I'd appreciate Wiml's comment would be an answer on my request for non-meta reasons to townread you (Wilgy) or Roxy in the current game.

Read JJJ's ISO if you want that.

My Roxy read is meta and gut. If Roxy bus'd LC there was quite literally 0 posturing around that. I feel that W Roxy would've made a bigger deal of it ESPECIALLY if they went out of their meta so hard to bus.

Again, I'm asking for original thoughts. Why do I have to read JJJ's thoughts if I'm asking for the ones of the current players? You've been pushing his PoE for the past 3 Days and it was a full Town group, I think it's pretty clear at this point his D2 ISOs weren't reliable.

You don't have any non-meta reason to townread her? If she didn't do a single significantly town thing in this game why are you clearing them?

this reads as ExLite twisting the post up to mean want they want it mean when Wigly's thoughts have been quite clear.

1. I struggle a bit with English so I might not express myself as clearly as I wished for
2. I am not familiar with Mafia jargon and verbiage so I'll often ask for information to be dumbed down
3. I mainly asked two things, their opinion on the kill, and a non-meta read on you. Throwing loose terms like "agenda" and "manipulate" don't explain anything. If they felt like there was such a thing going in play I'd appreciate if they took their time to elaborate on the thoughts rather than be ominously vague about something as conspiracy-like as people discussing the kill being an evil plot. They did make a post I considered better on later on where they elaborated a lot on what they meant, in a way closer to what I was looking for.
As for the asking them for THEIR take on you, I'd appreciate if they found proper non-meta and in-game reasons for their read. If all they had were meta reads and gut feelings like they said then it means they don't have something like a read or vote you made that stood out, as such it clearly doesn't hold the case for me. They later mentioned that they didn't think you'd bus Lime, which is more tangible, but that vote personally didn't make much of an impression to me because Lime's fate was sealed already by then.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:42 am Even if you did hammer the gap between it and any other wagons were too large, at that point it feels somewhat natural for the scumbud to be in it if around EoD