The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:

Made wrote:I like an Elo Lynch, and I liked an MR lynch, but the fact that it's now between an eloh vs a MR is making me wavery. logically, if baddies are attempting a save they're not going to try to try to switch a mafia for mafia. I'm gonna have to keep my vote where it is. MR and Elo both look sus, but i don't like the sudden switch to MR. IF Elo flips baddie, these events will look really bad for Llama....

I am not worried about looking bad. I am worried about lynching the right person, and I am far more confident about MR than I am about Eloh.

Yet it's based on an idea that is flat out wrong, and when I alluded to why I wasn't around early in the game and what motivated me to pick my game up, you neglected to talk further about it.

You don't think I'd be the least bit riled up and out for baddie blood after my friend who I introduced to the site was mislynched in an overwhelming fashion?

thellama73 wrote:

Made wrote:I like an Elo Lynch, and I liked an MR lynch, but the fact that it's now between an eloh vs a MR is making me wavery. logically, if baddies are attempting a save they're not going to try to try to switch a mafia for mafia. I'm gonna have to keep my vote where it is. MR and Elo both look sus, but i don't like the sudden switch to MR. IF Elo flips baddie, these events will look really bad for Llama....

I am not worried about looking bad. I am worried about lynching the right person, and I am far more confident about MR than I am about Eloh.

Lol, that's exactly what I told fingers earlier and she voted me for it.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Made wrote:I like an Elo Lynch, and I liked an MR lynch, but the fact that it's now between an eloh vs a MR is making me wavery. logically, if baddies are attempting a save they're not going to try to try to switch a mafia for mafia. I'm gonna have to keep my vote where it is. MR and Elo both look sus, but i don't like the sudden switch to MR. IF Elo flips baddie, these events will look really bad for Llama....

I am not worried about looking bad. I am worried about lynching the right person, and I am far more confident about MR than I am about Eloh.

Yet it's based on an idea that is flat out wrong, and when I alluded to why I wasn't around early in the game and what motivated me to pick my game up, you neglected to talk further about it.

You don't think I'd be the least bit riled up and out for baddie blood after my friend who I introduced to the site was mislynched in an overwhelming fashion?

llama, this. He said the day after it happened that he was pissed she got lynched, and I actually believe that he got involved because of that.

Holy shit, who switched????

Russtifinko wrote:Holy shit, who switched????

I did, because there was a tie. But I do realize there are 60 minutes left and 3 votes yet to be cast.

Linki: Well I'll be darned...

Guys, we NEED more votes on Elo. I guarantee that if it's up for grabs, Ninja Blooper is going to vote MR, and the game will likely be over.

Again, if you think both candidates could baddies and you trust me to any extent, then there is absolutely no reason at all to vote MR over Elo.

Posting my case on her now, I am fervently hoping we can get 2 players to change their minds.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Holy shit, who switched????

I did, because there was a tie. But I do realize there are 60 minutes left and 3 votes yet to be cast.

Linki: Well I'll be darned...

Lolz. Good timing on that post, man.

I can always switch back. I like ties.

I just worry about lynching a civ Eloh when I feel like I've participated less and deserve to go if any civ is going to go. :/

Mister Rearranger wrote:I can always switch back. I like ties.

I just worry about lynching a civ Eloh when I feel like I've participated less and deserve to go if any civ is going to go. :/

You have twice as many votes as Eloh though. I don't know what you mean by that.

^^^posts not votes

Buhguhhh wut?

Linki: Oh, haha. I didn't even realize. :/

I'm so confused! I know something fishy is going on with all these switched votes! I don't know who to trust anymore.

I kept refreshing the wrong page :o.

Russtifinko wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:My take on the Hyrule team at the moment. Made and Elohcin. Working on the third.

I agree with your Made suspicion at this point. And I already said the third - Blooper.

I'm not really sure why my name is being tossed in the pot- because it hasn't been mentioned yet? I don't even see anyone actually saying why I'm suspicious, except that I like puzzles and I might've gained enough to buy a bomb, or maybe that I'm "quiet." Or that I see one excuse as I "have to fit in somewhere." Y'all are a helluva lot better at keeping track of the money I've earned, because I sure haven't. And I've been pretty upfront about solving the puzzles in-thread when we've worked together, as well as my voting. So why can't that "somewhere" be Civ?

Despite all the suspicion and vote switching going around for MR and Eloh, I am going to vote Made because I feel stronger about him, and I see that others, while they seem divided about the other two, agree with this assumption. While I read Made 2.0 as his regular Civ self at first, the more the game has gone on, the more he pings me. He is overconfident in how he thinks others view him as Civ. His expression of disbelief that he was NOT NK'ed a few Nights ago with that comment pinged me. He was oddly adamant about the whole battle between those going after the Triforce of Courage and only having two people be in it (the logic in that is still beyond me). He makes comments (like the one last night about the Triforce pieces and guardians) that imply he knows more than he should, if he were Civ.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:My take on the Hyrule team at the moment. Made and Elohcin. Working on the third.

I agree with your Made suspicion at this point. And I already said the third - Blooper.

I'm not really sure why my name is being tossed in the pot- because it hasn't been mentioned yet? I don't even see anyone actually saying why I'm suspicious, except that I like puzzles and I might've gained enough to buy a bomb, or maybe that I'm "quiet." Or that I see one excuse as I "have to fit in somewhere." Y'all are a helluva lot better at keeping track of the money I've earned, because I sure haven't. And I've been pretty upfront about solving the puzzles in-thread when we've worked together, as well as my voting. So why can't that "somewhere" be Civ?

Despite all the suspicion and vote switching going around for MR and Eloh, I am going to vote Made because I feel stronger about him, and I see that others, while they seem divided about the other two, agree with this assumption. While I read Made 2.0 as his regular Civ self at first, the more the game has gone on, the more he pings me. He is overconfident in how he thinks others view him as Civ. His expression of disbelief that he was NOT NK'ed a few Nights ago with that comment pinged me. He was oddly adamant about the whole battle between those going after the Triforce of Courage and only having two people be in it (the logic in that is still beyond me). He makes comments (like the one last night about the Triforce pieces and guardians) that imply he knows more than he should, if he were Civ.

Well, I agree with this. It's what I have been saying and why I initially voted Made today.

I have a bad feeling about this... :/

But, I've gotta go for a bit, and will sadly miss the deadline.

Elohcin wrote:As I said before I see little pings in various people. It is hard to choose between them. However, if you know me, you know I don't like to throw a vote away. So...I will vote Hedge.

Fair enough. Day 2, no pings. She follows votes because she doesn't like wasting hers.

Elohcin wrote:As for my vote (which I have to do now) I am going to go ahead and *vote boogs* I think Snow Dogs gut may be right.

Day 3: following Snow Dog (and was busy partying). Again, fair enough. As I said around that time, fairly standard Elo play.

Elohcin wrote:Bye Boogs. Sorry I was wrong about you.

I have no clue where to start with the labyrinth thing. I am no good with directions.

Can't help with the puzzle. Again, fair enough I suppose.

Elohcin wrote:My thoughts are that the baddies are being very discrete because I don't think any of the cases against people are particularly strong, as Snow Dog said. And, on top of that, I am having a hard time finding a case against anyone even though I have reread individual players. But, I believe the strongest case (although not strong) is the one on Sabie. So...that is where my vote will go.

Day 4. Doesn't suspect anyone, but votes the person everyone suspects. A little weird even for Elo, not to have a single ping by D4.

Elohcin wrote:I went ahead and voted for Russ. I don't have good feelings about him.

Day 5 and the first ping! Yours truly. No rationale given, except that she doesn't "have good feelings" about me.

Elohcin wrote:Also, Yay no kill.

Russtifinko wrote:So since I'm out of town, no time for a case. However, I think Elo needs to be given a much closer look. Mainly because of her really really bad voting record. If anyone cares to look into that I appreciate it, and it's where my vote is going for today.

I know I have a bad voting record. I was just thinking (at the end of the last day) that I need to stop listening to the "crowd" but it is difficult when I still feel like everyone is playing so civ-like. I have not been in a game where its Day 6 and still I have no great suspicions. It is odd. My biggest suspicion is Russ, but still not crazy convinced.

The "Yay, no kill." just drips enthusiasm, right?

Note the "everyone is playing so civ-like". Still no major suspicions, except her still unexplained one of me.

Elohcin wrote:The votes I have cast were based of suspicions that other players have brought up. I just don't see anyone as very suspicious so far. If I were to go with my gut (which is usually right btw) I would say...Russ, MR, and Made are the baddies. I am voting Russ today as I did yesterday.

Still no reasons for any suspicions. She doesn't suspect anyone, but thinks Made, MR and I are baddie teammates. (Not MM, for the record.)

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 593#p97593

This here is an important post. Elo has decided it is so important that she get a suspicion that she goes back and reads every single player remaining in the game!

Two very important things to note here:

Elohcin wrote:Russ - He seems to have a lot of helpful things to say. He seems to be trying and coming up with suspicions, however I am not sure that his suspicions have much weight. So, I am pinged by that.

Nothing else to say, unfortunately. Rereading each player didn't really bring about any new pings, but there you go. Maybe you will be encouraged to do your own read through and post on everyone. I know many of us are getting discouraged by lynch results.

1) She now thinks I seem pretty good again, but is pinged by me too.
2) SHE READ THE ENTIRE GAME OF PLAYERS STILL ALIVE AND HAS NO NEW PINGS AT ALL....on Day 7!!

Elohcin wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:So who is bad?

Made? Russ?

I'm trying, but this is a difficult game. What do you think SD?

Still nothing.

nijuukyugou wrote:And I've been pretty upfront about solving the puzzles in-thread when we've worked together, as well as my voting. So why can't that "somewhere" be Civ?

Nobody has been more up-front than Made has when it comes to the puzzle-solving.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I have a bad feeling about this... :/

But, I've gotta go for a bit, and will sadly miss the deadline.

I feel very bad about it as well. I increasingly think we are seeing a baddie lynch push towards Elohcin.

So that's really much more of a summary than a case. Here's my pressed-for-time case, in a nutshell:

Mister Rearranger wrote:I can always switch back. I like ties.

I just worry about lynching a civ Eloh when I feel like I've participated less and deserve to go if any civ is going to go. :/

You are NOT lynching a civ Elo. And please don't be defeatist!

Let's start with voting record:

Day 1: Made 1.0
Day 2: Hedgie
Day 3: Boogs
Day 4: sabie
Days 5 and 6: me

So 4 confirmed civs, all of whom died, and me twice. (I am a civ, by the way.) Possibly the worst voting record in the game. But a baddie wouldn't vote 6 civs in a row because it's too obvious, you say?

Elo has a terrible voting record. Civs can have that too, but rarely have I seen one this bad from a civ. Especially one who says, and I quote,

Elohcin wrote: If I were to go with my gut (which is usually right btw) I would say...Russ, MR, and Made are the baddies.

Elo still has no suspicions at all, despite sort of suspecting me, Made, and MM. Waffle-y, much?

Much more importantly than that, throughout the entire course of this 7-day game in which she has helped lynch 4 civs, she has not once given a single reason for a vote other than "Well, other people are doing it", nor has she voiced one reasoned suspicion of anyone in the game!

She said earlier that she thinks the baddies are playing discreetly. Pot, kettle. I think Elo is avoiding naming any names or making any waves because she is scared to give away teammates.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:And I've been pretty upfront about solving the puzzles in-thread when we've worked together, as well as my voting. So why can't that "somewhere" be Civ?

Nobody has been more up-front than Made has when it comes to the puzzle-solving.

True. But the pings I mentioned stand out beyond that, at least in my opinion.

Russtifinko wrote:So that's really much more of a summary than a case. Here's my pressed-for-time case, in a nutshell:

Mister Rearranger wrote:I can always switch back. I like ties.

I just worry about lynching a civ Eloh when I feel like I've participated less and deserve to go if any civ is going to go. :/

You are NOT lynching a civ Elo. And please don't be defeatist!

Let's start with voting record:

Day 1: Made 1.0
Day 2: Hedgie
Day 3: Boogs
Day 4: sabie
Days 5 and 6: me

So 4 confirmed civs, all of whom died, and me twice. (I am a civ, by the way.) Possibly the worst voting record in the game. But a baddie wouldn't vote 6 civs in a row because it's too obvious, you say?

Elo has a terrible voting record. Civs can have that too, but rarely have I seen one this bad from a civ. Especially one who says, and I quote,

Elohcin wrote: If I were to go with my gut (which is usually right btw) I would say...Russ, MR, and Made are the baddies.

Elo still has no suspicions at all, despite sort of suspecting me, Made, and MM. Waffle-y, much?

Much more importantly than that, throughout the entire course of this 7-day game in which she has helped lynch 4 civs, she has not once given a single reason for a vote other than "Well, other people are doing it", nor has she voiced one reasoned suspicion of anyone in the game!

She said earlier that she thinks the baddies are playing discreetly. Pot, kettle. I think Elo is avoiding naming any names or making any waves because she is scared to give away teammates.

Everyone has a terrible voting record. We haven't caught a baddie yet! I've looked at the votes a bunch of times, and no one's looks better than anyone else's to me.

Voting Elo.

Snow Dog wrote:Voting Elo.

Snow, I really think this is a mistake. My gut is screaming at me that this is a masterful baddie manipulation. Please reconsider.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Voting Elo.

Snow, I really think this is a mistake. My gut is screaming at me that this is a masterful baddie manipulation. Please reconsider.

Really? I'll consider it. But I am not so sure MR R is bad as you are

Logan. Are you saying you think no baddie voted Made on day 1?

Snow Dog wrote:Logan. Are you saying you think no baddie voted Made on day 1?

It wouldn't surprise me. When I am a baddie, I try to keep my fingerprints off civ lynches as much as possible.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Logan. Are you saying you think no baddie voted Made on day 1?

It wouldn't surprise me. When I am a baddie, I try to keep my fingerprints off civ lynches as much as possible.

If I move my vote and Elo flips civ I'll look dead suspicious

I mean flips bad

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Logan. Are you saying you think no baddie voted Made on day 1?

It wouldn't surprise me. When I am a baddie, I try to keep my fingerprints off civ lynches as much as possible.

If I move my vote and Elo flips civ I'll look dead suspicious

If Eloh gets lynched and flips civ, we're dead anyway.

Snow Dog wrote:I mean flips bad

That's true, but I really don't think she will.

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Logan. Are you saying you think no baddie voted Made on day 1?

It wouldn't surprise me. When I am a baddie, I try to keep my fingerprints off civ lynches as much as possible.

If I move my vote and Elo flips civ I'll look dead suspicious

If Eloh gets lynched and flips civ, we're dead anyway.

Bad.

Ok I'll change my vote but I'll remind you how wrong you were about sabie

Snow Dog, I'm not feeling MR is bad, either. You also said you suspected Made. I think he looks a helluva lot more suspicious than anyone on this poll with his behavior.

Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?

Now persuade everyone else.

linki. Yeah I guess. Won't save Elo either way.

thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?

No. Why do you want a tie?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?

No. Why do you want a tie?

Because I don't believe ELoh is bad. I think I've been bamboozled.

Llama this is the second time I voted for Elo and moved it. Last time was to save Mr R. This is ridiculous.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?

No. Why do you want a tie?

Because I don't believe ELoh is bad. I think I've been bamboozled.

I'm not partial one way or the other, but I want it to at least be unanimous.

I'm actually coming around to agreeing with you Logan.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?

No. Why do you want a tie?

Because I don't believe ELoh is bad. I think I've been bamboozled.

I'm not partial one way or the other, but I want it to at least be unanimous.

Unanimity means the Baddies agree with you, which is a bad thing.

MM, change your vote. Please. Lynch ELoh, and the baddies win. I'm sure of it.

A bad Elo would probably have stronger opinions. And not vote in lynching a civ time after time. I got iy wrong.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Alright! Does one more person want to change their vote so we can at least have a tie? Nijuu? MM?

No. Why do you want a tie?

Because I don't believe ELoh is bad. I think I've been bamboozled.

I'm not partial one way or the other, but I want it to at least be unanimous.

Unanimity means the Baddies agree with you, which is a bad thing.

For want of a better word, that is what I'm callig it.

I agree with Llama. Change your votes.

Sorry Logan, my vote stays.

I have a sinking feeling about this.

Nothing to do now but wait.