The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:11 pm Drunk analysis? Did someone say Epignosis?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

Tell me about lorab

11:56. Buzzed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

12:01. Shitfaced.

I don't know a single drunk this incoherent. I am drunk right now.

Maybe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am voted daisy to preserve the tie, I'm okay with letting the rabbi choose

12:04. Had a quick shower and a cup of coffee.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

what the fuck

12:53 am pm

"What the hell did I do last night?"

I have a little experience here.

If you're shitfaced, you stay shitfaced for more than a ten minute window.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:11 pm Drunk analysis? Did someone say Epignosis?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

Tell me about lorab

11:56. Buzzed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

12:01. Shitfaced.

I don't know a single drunk this incoherent. I am drunk right now.

Maybe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am voted daisy to preserve the tie, I'm okay with letting the rabbi choose

12:04. Had a quick shower and a cup of coffee.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

what the fuck

12:53 am pm

"What the hell did I do last night?"

I have a little experience here.

If you're shitfaced, you stay shitfaced for more than a ten minute window.

You can't have your bean dip and eat it too.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p

Let's end him.

Do you still feel this way?

I can't see how Sloonei is Mafia. His read on Lorab was killer and not in the wishy washy way that scum bus people.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p

Let's end him.

Do you still feel this way?

I can't see how Sloonei is Mafia. His read on Lorab was killer and not in the wishy washy way that scum bus people.

I have an agenda that is not entirely related to this game of mafia.

LoRab and Kylemii


Honored inclusion in the player salad.


LoRab read Kyle as "not seeing him as bad" and also "null" in the same sentence. That's awkward.


Neutral chatter. There are some other mentions I didn't include that have already been discussed featuring LoRab's gripes about speedchuck's participation in a Kyle bandwagon.

Kyle reads LoRab GTH good. This read exists, I don't know what inspired it.

Ambivalent in a later reads list. Meh.


You tell me, bub. After this came the one "drunken" post asking for LoRab and LC cases.

~~~

At this point it's evident that LoRab gave conclusive reads on nearly nobody. Kyle didn't do anything with her either. The two reads provided are in conflict, and I don't really know where Kyle stood. This one feels like the Daisy interaction to me in that it is plausible, but it doesn't give me much feeling.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p

Let's end him.

Do you still feel this way?

I can't see how Sloonei is Mafia. His read on Lorab was killer and not in the wishy washy way that scum bus people.

I have an agenda that is not entirely related to this game of mafia.

Fair enough. If you could lynch any two players in the game right now who would they be?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p

Let's end him.

Do you still feel this way?

I can't see how Sloonei is Mafia. His read on Lorab was killer and not in the wishy washy way that scum bus people.

I have an agenda that is not entirely related to this game of mafia.

Fair enough. If you could lynch any two players in the game right now who would they be?

You and somebody on the quieter side of things.

Epignosis is civilian. Jay is loud. Sloonei is the bee's knees.


Having not spent much time looking at the other players in the game, I'm not sure who else it would be. I still don't think nutella is mafia. I at one point thought Wilgy was civilian. I don't know if that still holds true. I am uncertain about the rest of the players.

You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:11 pm Drunk analysis? Did someone say Epignosis?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

Tell me about lorab

11:56. Buzzed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

12:01. Shitfaced.

I don't know a single drunk this incoherent. I am drunk right now.

Maybe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am voted daisy to preserve the tie, I'm okay with letting the rabbi choose

12:04. Had a quick shower and a cup of coffee.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

what the fuck

12:53 am pm

"What the hell did I do last night?"

I have a little experience here.

If you're shitfaced, you stay shitfaced for more than a ten minute window.

ok first of all all that stuff took place at like 8:30pm for me

second of all, there were fewer typos after the deadline cus there was no longer a time crunch and I could take as long as I wanted to make posts and ask questions. elplz eevator post was apparently my phone's best attempt at guessing what my fingers were saying when I was trying to type "plz elevator". I wasn't concerned about proofreading, I was concerned about comprehending the cases against lorabs, longcon as quickly as possible in order to make the best decision.

You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:15 pm You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

coherent when?

This game is one of the most frustrating I have played in recent memory. I apologize for not being back in here sooner, I worked this morning had a nap and then went to the grocery. It's been a long day and I am tired and grumpy.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] Perhaps I wasn't clear in what the difference was between my first mega post and my second. My first post was literally me just going through and giving my read on each post as it came. Just knee jerk reactions. It was also still very colored by my emotional response to the surprise lynch. The second post was after I could sit back and think on everything, and had time to form some suspicions. The biggest thing in my mind at that time was that I felt the thread was being directed. And of the people who I thought seemed to be doing that were you and Epi, add that into the fact you two seem to be dancing very loudly around each other all freaking game, yet never seemed to really want to lynch each other. It just looked really suspect to me.

[mention]nutella[/mention] , I don't think you get what was happening in my mind during the vote. I came back in replacing Dave and I was focused on what I believed was happening, like never would I have imagined me putting my vote on anyone other than Jay at the end of the day. Never. At some point I thought I saw someone (Epi I think?) mention that she might be cursed. And she said something about this being her only post or something of that nature. I guess I just thought she was under a posting curse of some sort. I thought it was weird she was continuing to post if under a posting restriction, but again my focus was on Jay. As the EoD got closer, most people were not in here because they had MK EoD. I started my sim, but it ran twice as long as usual so a half hour before EoD, I started looking at what was happening while still trying to play my game. It hit me as I tried to multitask that I had misunderstood the situation completely and I can't even tell you how much it shook me. If Dizzy was forced to vote Jay it called my top suspicions into question. It should be noted I moved my vote only 11 minutes before the vote ended. If you really expect I could have cast a confident vote anywhere in 11 minutes after I felt like my entire point of view had been possibly turned on it's head, you have too high of expectations in my opinion. I really didn't have any idea coming into the lynch that the curse mentioned was not a curse but probably a force. I wish your theory was true, because then it would mean I was attempting some manipulation rather than just being so off in my suspicion.

As to everyone else suspecting me for my non stance on Lorab, fair enough. You're wrong, but at least your suspicions are better grounded this time around. I can't have reads on everyone and like I already said, my focus was on Jay, Epi and Sloonei and sorting out who I thought was bad there. I just didn't feel like I had any read on her. Yep, it looks bad, but I can't change that it just is what it is.

If I was a team with Lorab why would I not just either bus her or cast a vote to save her? How does voting off accomplish anything?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:57 am ISO links:
Dave
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
FZ.
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Long Con
LoRab
MacDougall
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
speedchuck

And our host, DFaraday.

bumping this forward for contemporary use

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:15 pm You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

coherent when?

Your messages around " Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go " made sense.

Why is this one so fucked up?

What was your intended message, and what did it mean? Why is that your only unclear message?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:20 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:57 am ISO links:
Dave
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
FZ.
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Long Con
LoRab
MacDougall
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
speedchuck

And our host, DFaraday.

bumping this forward for contemporary use

Dfaraday added them to the front page

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:18 pm The biggest thing in my mind at that time was that I felt the thread was being directed.

If the thread isn't directed, what happens?

Why is that a bad thing?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:15 pm You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

coherent when?

Your messages around " Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go " made sense.

Why is this one so fucked up?

What was your intended message, and what did it mean? Why is that your only unclear message?

"plz elevator pitch me on lorab vs. long con go"

it was the most disorganized message because it was the message I needed an answer to most desperately in the shortest amount of time. at the time it seemed like a pretty clear question, I think I noticed the elevator typo but was like "nah they'll get it" I guess I was wrong?

Let me clarify, I felt it was being directed away from topics that should be discussed. And if that was the way I felt I was asking myself why would someone want that? I came to the conclusion that one or two of you, Jay and Sloonei were bad as a result of that. Direction is not bad, misdirection is. And I felt like it was misdirection.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:24 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:18 pm The biggest thing in my mind at that time was that I felt the thread was being directed.

If the thread isn't directed, what happens?

Why is that a bad thing?

Yours truly takes over.

Do you really want that happening?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm Let me clarify, I felt it was being directed away from topics that should be discussed. And if that was the way I felt I was asking myself why would someone want that? I came to the conclusion that one or two of you, Jay and Sloonei were bad as a result of that. Direction is not bad, misdirection is. And I felt like it was misdirection.

With the Lorab flip, can you point to any misdirection in the thread?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:18 pm
If I was a team with Lorab why would I not just either bus her or cast a vote to save her? How does voting off accomplish anything?

So you could make that comment?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.

Epignosis every time you suspect me in a game it feels like I'm being graded on an English paper I did last minute.

"this sentence is completely illegible" "that word has another definition entirely in this context"

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:33 pm Epignosis every time you suspect me in a game it feels like I'm being graded on an English paper I did last minute.

"this sentence is completely illegible" "that word has another definition entirely in this context"

This time you are being graded for your drunkenness by a bona fide wino extraordinaire.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.

I was picking up what you're laying down.

Except for the part where it doesn't really matter to me what "everyone else" has to say about you. I never particularly cared for general consensus.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.

I was picking up what you're laying down.

Except for the part where it doesn't really matter to me what "everyone else" has to say about you. I never particularly cared for general consensus.

So we agree you are scum reading me for something you are exhibiting in this game? That is to say that you find your own behaviour scummy?

Why Marmot is Mafia:

He has one player he would lynch right now and it's a player nobody else finds bad
He has made a minimal case against said player
The content of that case is that said player (me) is behaving in exactly the same way he is

You're clearly not genuinely trying to solve the game. You're bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.

I was picking up what you're laying down.

Except for the part where it doesn't really matter to me what "everyone else" has to say about you. I never particularly cared for general consensus.

So we agree you are scum reading me for something you are exhibiting in this game? That is to say that you find your own behaviour scummy?

No we do not agree on that.

I see your behavior. I find it suspicious.

I have my behavior. They are different. I am not doing the same thing as you. If I was, wouldn't the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read on me too?



So no I do not find my behavior scummy. I don't pay heed to my behavior. That's everyone else's job.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:51 pm Why Marmot is Mafia:

He has one player he would lynch right now and it's a player nobody else finds bad
He has made a minimal case against said player
The content of that case is that said player (me) is behaving in exactly the same way he is

You're clearly not genuinely trying to solve the game. You're bad.

The problem with making cases without quotes or links is that everything is written out of context and painted a most dreadful color of scum. That's what you've done here.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:32 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:28 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:44 pm You mentioned you have a mafia read on me because I appear to be playing a different game to everyone else. Does that mean you have a Mafia read on yourself given the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read of me?

Can you walk me through why I would make that jump in logic?

I thought it was obvious that I was having a go at you for being a hypocrite.

I was picking up what you're laying down.

Except for the part where it doesn't really matter to me what "everyone else" has to say about you. I never particularly cared for general consensus.

So we agree you are scum reading me for something you are exhibiting in this game? That is to say that you find your own behaviour scummy?

No we do not agree on that.

I see your behavior. I find it suspicious.

I have my behavior. They are different. I am not doing the same thing as you. If I was, wouldn't the lion's share of everyone else have a civ read on me too?



So no I do not find my behavior scummy. I don't pay heed to my behavior. That's everyone else's job.

You're not trying. You don't find me suspicious. If you found me suspicious you would have tried harder to rally against me. You're just swatting away my accusations. Your suspicion against me is to softly discredit me enough that people will see my read on you as a no u and ignore it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:51 pm Why Marmot is Mafia:

He has one player he would lynch right now and it's a player nobody else finds bad
He has made a minimal case against said player
The content of that case is that said player (me) is behaving in exactly the same way he is

You're clearly not genuinely trying to solve the game. You're bad.

The problem with making cases without quotes or links is that everything is written out of context and painted a most dreadful color of scum. That's what you've done here.

I disagree. I find it really helpful when players summarise their reads.

My impression from Jay's intereractions with lorab before death tend toward an earnest attempt to feel her out. He did an entire ISO on her as well as half an ISO on LC due to time constraints. The mafia Jay I've met is not afraid to bus teammates or do ISO's on them ending in negative views. I would like to review how that manifested in pirates mafia.

GTH jay good

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.

Everything you said is wifom. That's the argument for why your action is capable of being a scum action. It's wifom. And as such needs to be completely ignored.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:33 pm Epignosis every time you suspect me in a game it feels like I'm being graded on an English paper I did last minute.

"this sentence is completely illegible" "that word has another definition entirely in this context"

This time you are being graded for your drunkenness by a bona fide wino extraordinaire.

implying i never done an english assignment while intoxicated

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:58 pm i never done

ah fuck

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:55 pm
You're not trying. You don't find me suspicious. If you found me suspicious you would have tried harder to rally against me.

I don't think I'd do that. I can't put in a solid effort every single day.

I have been your primary scum read for several days and you haven't tried to push anyone to vote for me yet even a little bit.

Civilian win con = lynch all the Mafia players.

You said you can't put in a solid effort every single day. On what day can I expect the effort? Today? Lylo?

Need I remind you that your read on me exists because I provoked you. You've yet to really go after anyone that didn't initiate the conflict with you first with any kind of vigour.

You are not trying to solve the game. The roof is something that you do not care for Mister Marmot.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:56 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.

Everything you said is wifom. That's the argument for why your action is capable of being a scum action. It's wifom. And as such needs to be completely ignored.

I'm fine with that. It's not like this is the only thing I've said regarding yesterday. So disregard those two sentences out of my entire post all you like. I don't give two shits man.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:56 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.

Everything you said is wifom. That's the argument for why your action is capable of being a scum action. It's wifom. And as such needs to be completely ignored.

I'm fine with that. It's not like this is the only thing I've said regarding yesterday. So disregard those two sentences out of my entire post all you like. I don't give two shits man.

Cool as.

Can someone not named Jay read my points on Marmot and offer feedback? I know Jay will say something like "I understand why you feel that way but I'm just not feeling it" so I don't need to ask.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:06 am Need I remind you that your read on me exists because I provoked you. You've yet to really go after anyone that didn't initiate the conflict with you first with any kind of vigour.

That sounds about right.

I don't particularly enjoy post-analysis. So I often base my reads on live interactions. That means asking questions and doing things that will help create these interactions. If players don't want to talk to or about me, I'm less likely to pay attention to them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:56 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.

Everything you said is wifom. That's the argument for why your action is capable of being a scum action. It's wifom. And as such needs to be completely ignored.

I think it's a strategic mistake to ignore something just because it's WIFOM. I have seen way too many legitimate arguments discarded as WIFOM throughout my Mafia days, and even if the core difficulty of WIFOM is technically true, that mindset fails to get at the real utilities of a decision between alignments.

This is a general comment for this game and all others.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:56 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:34 pm @MacDougall Seems like a piss poor strategy to me, but whatever you want to think you go ahead. But to be clear, I have never shied away from bussing teammates in the past.

Making actions so you can point at them later to gain civ cred is a piss poor strategy?

Guess that makes me a piss poor Mafia player then.

Seems like it would make way more sense to do something likely to buy you some civ cred than to take an action you have to explain and defend. Taking the clearly civ looking path makes more sense to me as a baddie than taking a weak move and taking the fall out just in order to say, "but if I was bad I wouldn't have done that!" But maybe that's just the way I play. Also, don't make it personal man, I wasn't saying anything about your gameplay. The piss poor comment was because if I was bad and had bussed her, I wouldn't likely be in the orange for people who previously were coloring me green. If that was my strategy it sure as hell seems to not be a very good one. That's all I meant.

Everything you said is wifom. That's the argument for why your action is capable of being a scum action. It's wifom. And as such needs to be completely ignored.

I think it's a strategic mistake to ignore something just because it's WIFOM. I have seen way too many legitimate arguments discarded as WIFOM throughout my Mafia days, and even if the core difficulty of WIFOM is technically true, that mindset fails to get at the real utilities of a decision between alignments.

This is a general comment for this game and all others.

I was going to say something similar to this to correct myself tbh. The action itself that is wifom needs to be overlooked but the tone, context and timing of the action are most definitely worth consideration at all times.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:08 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 pm Yes, because I was lynched early in each of my last two games and you contributed to both of them.

I did. Am I mafia in this game though?

I don't want to lynch you today, no. I disagree with Epignosis's posts leading up to the linked one, especially the part where he says that you talking will help expose your teammates more. This is true of any player, but I would gander it's less true of you than most players. Not that you wouldn't talk about your teammates, but that it'd be harder to for anyone to read those connections.

That, and if you're mafia, Epignosis must certainly acknowledge that you'd have a decent shot at talking your way out of a lynch later.

I'm much more interested in lynching him.

I'm a bit confused by this moment, Marmot. You didn't want to lynch me because you disagreed with Epi's rationale about when I should be lynched. What does that have to do with whether I am aligned with the mafia?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:06 am Need I remind you that your read on me exists because I provoked you. You've yet to really go after anyone that didn't initiate the conflict with you first with any kind of vigour.

That sounds about right.

I don't particularly enjoy post-analysis. So I often base my reads on live interactions. That means asking questions and doing things that will help create these interactions. If players don't want to talk to or about me, I'm less likely to pay attention to them.

I don't either and I am similar to you in that hence why I go after people on hunches so much.

That being said, I go after people. I don't just wait for them to attack me then defend myself by claiming Mafia reads on them. Otherwise you're basically saying that if Mafia just buddy you, you'll never catch one?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 pm I disagree with Sloonei on sooooooo much. More on that later I guess. =p

Let's end him.

Do you still feel this way?

I can't see how Sloonei is Mafia. His read on Lorab was killer and not in the wishy washy way that scum bus people.

I have an agenda that is not entirely related to this game of mafia.

Fair enough. If you could lynch any two players in the game right now who would they be?

You and somebody on the quieter side of things.

Epignosis is civilian. Jay is loud. Sloonei is the bee's knees.


Having not spent much time looking at the other players in the game, I'm not sure who else it would be. I still don't think nutella is mafia. I at one point thought Wilgy was civilian. I don't know if that still holds true. I am uncertain about the rest of the players.

Look man, either come at me with vigour and sell me that you are trying to win the game for the civ cause or point the finger at someone else and create another one of these live interactions that you require in order to scum hunt.

Jimmy does this not qualify as player salad?